Staying Safe Filming Trains - Tragedy on the High Iron - CP 2816 in Mexico and Other Calamities.
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- UP 4014 will depart on the UP Westward Bound Tour to Roseville California in two weeks. And we would like to remind everyone, to BE SAFE OUT THERE!! Please read the whole description...
CP 2816 had several horrible accidents on their Final Spike Tour to Mexico City. And these were not isolated events. Trains are dangerous. They are huge. They can't stop. Crews often can't see people on the tracks. And these wonderful excursions are great fun, IF EVERYONE FOLLOWS COMMON SENSE RULES!
So let's review... And get ready to have some super SAFE fun!
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Thanks Dale & Karyn for the Safety 1st tip!! 30' is a good distance!!!
So very welcome!! And please everyone, stay safe.
Dale and Karyn! I just received my Llagas Creek #6 switches. The are works of art! Thanks for introducing Mike and the folks, there. Best for a fine afternoon on the Wasatch Front!
I think that you sum it up well. The other comment is that a train travelling at any speed you need to be a good distance away so that it is not just a blur in the photo.
Indeed!!
Great vid the amount of ignorance out there is astounding… stay safe people it’s your responsibility not someone else’s…
Ignorance is a better word than stupidity although even that word is pretty harsh. It isn’t that people are stupid. It’s just that they don’t know. A little knowledge can go a long way to keeping people safe!
A brilliant video; thanks for making it and posting it. When the Bog Boy is moving at speed, even 25-30 feet is amazingly close. I was at one location in Texas waiting for it, and an older lady railfan photographer was ruling the roost, and she kept everyone well back and out of the site lines of everyone else. We all got fantastic photos thanks to her, and no one was near the tracks. .
Thanks 😊
I used to see billboards around that said keep off the tracks stay safe .you don't see them anymore.
Yup.
I agree safety first
I was the crossing guard at the Colorado Railroad Museum at the front gate, and had patrons get mad at me in cars and yell at me why did you stop me !!!!!! the train can stop for me !
And i told them the train is a 3000 ton hammer and you are in a 1000 pound nail! what do you think will happen if you got hit!!!!!
but these are the same drivers that make a right hand turn from the left hand lane in front of a city bus !
I see that all of the time!
There's no excuse for purposely standing too close. Another thing is that you don't realize how quiet and quick a train coming towards you at speed or even in the yards. I almost learned that the hard way when I was a crew caller in the UP yards years ago at night. 😮
_"But, but, but, I know trains are not actually quiet because I've heard train sound effects in lots of movies!"_
Good advice which unfortunately is needed for more and more people who are not aware of their surroundings!🚂🚂🚂👏👏👏👏👏
A major problem! Not being aware of what is going on around you. Cell phones. Distraction. Frustration. Hard to get people to understand.
Very good advice. I read that the amount of train crews involved in collisions is higher than any other form of transportation simply because people don't look. The Mantra; Stop, Look, Listen is so important around trains. Thank You for sharing this important warning. ❤
As part of Engeneer training, they have to teach the Train crew what to do in the event of an accident. Especially a fatal accident and the point is driven home. This is not if but when. Accept the fact that you’re going to be involved in an accident that’s going to kill someone. It happens to every train crew at some point in their career.
People get up on the tracks because the person in front of them keeps getting up in front of the person in front of the next person, just like people standing up in the concert. Hello from romulus Michigan
I have not gone out the last two times 4014 has been through due to the crowds that swarm the tracks. I don't want to have to witness something horrible. While Mr. Dickens has asked railfans to tell others to back away. I have run into some belligerant folks. I didn't come out to get into a fist fight with someone. I may have to do some scouting for areas outside of yards away form crowds and then wait until crowds have depleted for this upcoming tour.
Great vidio, And to the point, dont know what you see more up close. being 30' back to 60' back heck thats only the length of a box car ! Thanks for the morning coffee...
I am a volunteer motorman/brakeman and one thing people do not realize is how large of a blind spot there is on a train. Even with an extra set of eyes, you can't see everything and have to rely on others to keep out of the way. If you think you are a little close, take a step or two back, it could make all the difference. If a member of staff or a person in authority tells you to move back, they mean it!
I do appreciate how you included your own close call to show that we are all capable of making an error in judgment. Thankfully you were in the clear, but still scary all around!
I knew I was in the clear of all the tracks and yet I was still quite close to a track which I knew to be an active line. Foolishly, I just assumed that a train would not be coming. But I was being careful to stay in the clear. But next time I’m going to be 10 feet further in the clear.
Most trains are around nine to ten feet wide, if anything is dragging or even if something breaks off it will fly twenty to thirty feet easily, it comes down to physics, depending on the speed of the train and the speed and weight of the object. An example I use is that if you through a baseball at 90 MPH at a train moving at the same speed, the ball will impact and then return at almost 180 MPH, you can also look at baseball or tennis to get an idea of what I am talking about.
I have got to see Canadian Pacific 2816 at the CPKC Headquarters back in April 24th 2024 in operation and idled under steam at one spot there.
Canadian Pacific, not Canadian National. Or CPKC, actually.
Sometimes I think the "media attitudes" of this younger generation turn them into 'invincible A$$holes'. They don't know fear. Great tips - Safety First. 🙂
We have this issue here in South Australia and railfans here have actually accused me of it yet I’m out of the way a GoPro shot is made and edited later. But non railfans with no understanding are the worst offenders
Great railfaning tips, I practice operation lifesaver always around tracks. I grew up a few blocks from the old SP lines in Cali and have been watching and chasing trains since I was a kid. It is unfortunate people dont understand and get killed or severely injured. Back in the 80s when I was driving towtrucks one of our areas were thru active tracks 24/7 both frt/pass trains and there was a street that had a curve that went from one side of tracks to the other and peeps would miss the curve and end up on the tracks. IT took awhile to explain to my dispatchers to call the RR 1st,police 2nd and me 3rd and I would be there ASAP , Thanks again for the safety tips
Hi, and thanks for the great story. When I was growing up, my great grandmother‘s house was on one side of the UP rail yards and my ants house was on the other side! So my brother and I used to walk through the rail yards, and on a couple of different occasions we were asked to leave by the railroad police! At the time I never really thought of it as dangerous. Looking back OMG.
@@ToyManTelevision All good my friend, I grew up in Livermore Ca next to the route from Stockton over the Altamont thru Livermore,Pleasanton, Sunol thru Niles canyon to Niles (Fremont) Y then north to Oakland or south to San Jose, now there is an excursion RR from Sunol-Niles and UP built another line on the other side of the canyon for freight and the ACE train (Stockton/San Jose commuter trains)
...and foamers wonder why train crews don't want these people around. Now retired, but during my career up In the cab as a Locomotive Engineer, I have heard negative expressions about these people who were observed to be reckless and irresponsible. I also became involved with Operation Lifesaver back in the 1990's through the Class 1 railroad I worked for. We ran OL passenger specials, local news appearances promoting OL, spent thousands of dollars to promote rail safety, and still stupid rail fans do stupid things. Now the engine and train crews have to carry these incidents with them the rest of their lives. These thoughtless people's behavior and actions affect everyone and these steam special programs. Liability issues arise and programs have been stopped because of this. On another issue, as long as there are red lights and gates at railroad crossings (where the highest grade crossing incidents occur) there will always be people who ignore these warning devices and chose to lose their life (and those passengers with them) or be crippled the rest of their life. Same mentality is employed by these foamers who engage in this same mindless and selfish behavior. I was always friendly with right of way photographers who acted responsibly and stayed away. To those responsible rail fans out there, get involved with Operation Lifesaver and spread the word within your clubs, technical societies and other rail fan social events. Call it "group therapy" for safety and awareness. But remember 34 years later after I became involved with OL, the insanity still continues and traumatizes train crews and victims families and loved ones.
Great safety first video!!!
Glad you liked it!
So sad... 😞
People please be safe and stand back from on coming trains. You can put fences up on every single line and there will always be someone who will climb over those fences to get that closeup shot a get hurt or killed. Thank Dale and Karyn for this safety video.
GOD BLESS 🚂💖🚂💖🚂💖🚂💖
Thanks. Bless you too!
Don't these people know that there camera has a zoom lens to get a closes up. Just stay away from the tracks. So sad to hear about these accidents. It's the same for trucks and buses. Leave room.
That is why I stand far away from the railroad tracks. When I am Railfanning Especially near the tracks of the Toledo Peoria and Western close to my house where The old stock car trailer sits in the back driveway, that’s where I usually film my TP&w trains
Yeah, it’s not just safer. It’s a much better way to film trains!
And it’s better! You can see more, photos and video are better. 😊
Good night
Hello Jeff
sad to say , you cant fix stupid! just keep telling people about the danger
No you can’t fix low IQ. But that’s not the problem. With one exception, the woman killed in Colorado, who had mental problems, none of these people were “stupid”. I don’t think of myself as stupid and yet there I was shooting video too close to an active mainline.
The key is to know the risks and not loose yourself in the moment. Knowledge. Civility. Caution.
I don’t recon anyone will take a train back to Mexico. They just can’t handle it. Was a sh!t show that was completely outside of that tragic death.
Do you honestly think that there isn’t rail fanning in Mexico? Do you believe that there are no trains at all in Mexico? Sorry. But there are both trains and rail fans in Mexico. There is no difference when it comes to rail fans choosing to ignore safety in favor of what they believe to be that perfect shot. Unfortunately, it may be their last.
Sadly IMO Its the "Dumbing-Down" of America good grief these ppl RUIN it for ALL of Us..65 yrs of Railfaning,safely !
Well.. I’m betting Ogg the caveman said “hold my beer.. “ and was killed by a mammoth.
😂😂😂 maybe..a T Rexgave him a run fir whos who, in the food chain @ToyManTelevision
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It's amazing how these huge chunks of metal can sneak up on you, too. You gotta listen, and keep alert for fast approaching trains. And you gotta have eyes in back of your head, too. 👀
Totally! And the rule listed in every book of rules on every railroad is “expect a train movement on every track at any time in any direction”.
Thank you for the safty info. I use to live about a block and a half from active train tracks. I got so I wouldn't even look in that directions because of all the crazy stuff people would do. Thankfully, I don't live there any more.
I always tell people to keep a maximum distance of 25 feet from the tracks. I have seen a few times, where even being 6 feet away can still get someone hurt or worse, due to there being loose equipment or debris hanging off the sides of flat cars or over the top/sides of gondolas.
Yup. And there is just no reason to be that close. Often the best photo or even view of the train is from 100 feet away. And I understand that people will get in front of you… but unless they are right in front of your lens the best place is still back where you can see more that the wheels.
People don't realize the clearance. Sad
Indeed. 5’ of track. 15 feet of train!! 🚂
those idiots are trying to get a photo without anybody else in the image. Common sense and safety go right out the window.
I used to try to get pictures with nobody else in the frame and it just can’t be done. I know people are always trying to re-create that image from the 1940s. But I’ve gotten to the point where I actually enjoy having people in the frame! I think it’s much more interesting to go out on a rail event and capture it as it actually looks
@@ToyManTelevision When the 4014 came through Iowa a several years back, we went up to Boone to see it. Man that thing is huge. The RR had safety crews going along ahead of it, as it slowed in the yard, making sure everyone stayed back a safe distance, until it came to a complete stop. I've been a steam nut my whole life so that was a real treat. The 844 had made a brief stop here in our hometown a few years before.
That's why you don't go where everyone else is you find other spots.
(1) Do not stand close to moving trains.
(2) Do not stand near operating aircraft, nor get anywhere near their propeller arcs {if so equipped}.
The biggest thing is to just have common sense and enjoy seeing the train. Nobody needs to die snapping photos. It's not worth it.
True
Do the railroads have any insurance liability for not keeping people clear of the tracks? I am sure that if they faced some financial penalty they would provide stewards, and at the end of the day these people are trespassers on railroad property. Unfortunately there are some pretty twisted people out there!
They generally have no trespassing signs all over the place and even no photography signs! Anything to discourage people from coming onto the property. But when they run one of these special trains, it’s implied that they’re letting people onto the property. So I’m sure that there are some issues that way, we have to let the lawyers and judges figure that out.
Is it me or did people crowding the tracks not happen too much before cell phone cameras? Those two pictures from Mexico with the women just before getting killed and the huge crowd literally on top of the tracks just blows my mind! What is it in peoples minds that tells them that they have to be the one to get the closest for their shot? A picture is not worth one's life to get. Like you said, all you're going to get is some rivets and a huge wheel going by. And you'll be real lucky if it's not blurred! The best videos and pictures are from far away. That way you can get the whole engine! Then, when you get home safe and sound you can zoom in and see all the details you want! Those ones getting killed is just so sad and painful to hear about.
It happened in 1980s although to a much, much, lesser degree. At least that was the case on NRHS excursions I was involved in.
0:46 2816 is NOT Canadian National
that sure is a problem you will find world wide. It seems , looking at your video, that people with cellphones are everywhere and those using cameras are standing on a safe distance. why is that ? put up some tape and keep people away from the rails. Railroad police ? where are they on these occasions ? stop the trains until everyone are away from the rails.anyway an interesting video, thanks !
Well, it’s just sort of sad, but nobody wants to spend the money. I travel around quite often with the Union Pacific crew, Union Pacific, as I think 12 police officers. And when the steam engine is in motion, they will assign 2 to 4 of them to travel with the train. And they’re only on duty eight hours. So it’s easy to do the math figure out that only when the train is on public display or there be any police presents at all.
Step back zoom in...why is that soo hard for people to understand...four simple words can save the life of the person with the camera/phone and the FAR reaching consequences of someone being hit and injured or killed leaving 100s or even 1000s affected by the carelessness of one.
Cry all you want all these people are safe and uninjured. If you want actual change it’s on the railways and government to make it as safe as it is in Europe with complete fencing and safer road closing gates. But people like you would rather cry about people doing this and still be completely safe and uninjured after the pictures and videos are taken. Try pointing your anger at the billion dollar companies that can easily afford to make more safety improvements. But no let’s cry about the people who are not doing what you want them to do.
It is better for society overall if individuals care about their own safety instead of governments and corporations trying to fix every last situation. Also European railroads are not perfect after all the billions spent by your "companies" and "governments" still people dying: ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Railway_safety_statistics_in_the_EU#:~:text=Highlights&text=In%202022%2C%20there%20were%201,killed%20and%20593%20seriously%20injured.&text=Despite%20the%20increase%20in%202022,in%202010%20(%2D27.5%20%25).
No, the people that I really cry for are the friends and family of the people killed. And a group who is rarely mentioned in these incidents, the train crews who often end up with post traumatic stress disorder.
We feel, no know, the “silver bullet” is education. Knowledge of what to do and the civility that comes from learning and understanding. Hence this video.
No fence can stop antisocial behavior. But education can. Stay safe. We all want good memories shared with friends.