Milwaukee-Eight Stage 4 VS Twin Cam 110 Stage 4 │Harley-Davidson Screamin' Eagle
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- Get a look at a detailed comparison of the new Milwaukee-Eight engine VS the old Twin Cam both built up to their max capabilities with Genuine Screamin' Eagle Parts. Take a look at the power graphs and see some "roll-on power" demonstrations. Matt Laidlaw gives his opinion on these two Performance builds.
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Great job on this vid, HD#1
Hey Matt, that 'Waukee sounds killer with the Stage IV installed! My son has a 2015 Street Glide with a Stage IV he installed soon after getting her home, & she has been a screaming machine ever since!!
Hey Matt,
What camera were you using? The sound quality is phenomenal!
Matt Laidlaw love your vids mate.
Matt Laidlaw thank you so very much for making this videos answered so many of my questions and concerns I have a 2014 and considering upgrading but when the Milwaukee hates came out I was told don't even bother because the milwaukee-eight sore so much better however I've been looking at the tire shredder kit for my but wasn't really sure if it was worth the investment after watching your video I believe it is thanks once again
Best CZcams roll-on demo of two hard hitting V-twins I've ever seen. At 74 years old I've done this sort of thing since the late 1950's and I take my hat off to you guys. Road looked a little crowded to be turning up the wick on those things but hey, you got to remember I was doing this sort of thing back when there wasn't much traffic anywhere ! Wish I could have been able to read your tachs while you ran them thru the gears. Once again, great demonstration of two strong motors. Makes me wish I was young again!
I'm 52 started riding when I was 13 in Florida learned on a 1971 flh Harley. Now I live in Ohio. Have had Harley's, Kawasaki's, Honda's, Yamahas triumphs. People always downing different bikes,listen every bike is fun to ride I Don't care if it's a moped, two wheels is fun I love speed, love cruising so don't down another man's or woman's bike it's what you like in the wind two wheels forever, enjoy it while you can peace and adventure.
Robert Sammons Well said dude, safe riding!
I ride a VTX 110 cid
Exactly!!
This man is for Real does not matter what you ride
I have an 07 cvo dyna....lots of motor......nothing compares to a good 250cc motocross bike.....
Both great engines! The Twin cam definitely held its own!
Love how u speed and blur out how fast ur going! Makes my day
Glad I could make your day more enjoyable
Great video Matt. I work overseas for 90 days and home for 30. I ride a SGS M8 S4. Nice to see a video of bikers just riding and listening to the sounds of the bikes. Keep it up.
I didn't expect that 110 to be that strong, wow!
I've got one in my road king. Great motor
A 107 with an aftermarket cam and good tune produces more for thousands less. That stage 4 doesn’t make sense per dollar.
I got a 2011 screaming eagle CVO ultra limited which had the cam upgrade full exhaust upgrade air cleaner upgrade with no big deal but she's cranking out just shy of 100 horses and just shy of 110 ft lb of torque and that thing is a monster I love it
would love to see a stage 4 117TC vs stage 4 117M8 vid.
I have watched this video about 10 times already. Then I thought Wow! Matt and crew just took the world on a wicked fun tricked out Harley ride into the setting sun in California !
HOW COOL IS THAT?????
Haha. Thanks man. I think people are enjoying this video. I’ll have to do more like this.
Matt Laidlaw Yes!!! Please! !!
Currently having the shredder kit fitted to my breakout 103, can't wait. Thanks for the videos, all good and fair plus impartial...
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I'm envious 👍 I have a '17 Breakout , I'm entertaining the idea of a shredder myself.
B safe
Excellent, highly informative highway rippin´vid there bud´. Looked like much fun!
Keep em´coming sir!
Thanks Matt, great video. This video is helping me decide on the Stage III M8 kit where the power comes on sooner in the rpm range. Like you state in the video, the stage IV kit shines in the upper rpm range.
You can't beat Laidlaws sales and service... i've been dealing with them since the early 90s and never had a problem! everything they promise they always deliver on!
Thanks for your business sir.
They do have a excellent reputation.
great video brother. best reviews on bikes, parts, and performance. I'm coming to grab my street glide special later this summer.
Love that sound.
Great video thanks for the info. Off the subject, what brand of handlebars are on the black 2017 Street Glide?
Wow!! What great riding Matt!!! Guys!! Made my heart remember !!! THIS. IS ALLREADDY A CLASSIC VIDEO! Best on you tbe so far as. i haver ever seen. I am going to share lots. I am honored too. You guys made my whole week!!!
Haha Awesome man. Thanks for watching
So I found that interesting because I wanted to know about the stage IV kit for the Milwaukee 8. Thanks
Awesome, well done Matt, big thumbs up to another great video, thanks man 👍👍👍
Glad to see this video popped up on my recommended videos. I have been debating on which stage kit to go with for my 2017 RG. I think I'll be going with the Stage IV with Smart Tune Pro!
Well my night just got a lot better due to Matt!
Don't know which one is more powerful but the vid made me go out and ride. Thx Matt for the inspiration
You’re welcome. Enjoy my friend
Very informative, your shop rocks!!!
I see this video is 5 years old but I just had to say Thanks!!!
I've been waiting for 5 weeks for parts for my Screaming Eagle stage 4 110ci kit...
Got a call the other day all the parts but the cylinders are in... so maybe another 10 days?
Can't wait to get back out on the roads, this is the longest time not riding in over 3 years...
Great video guys.... as always!!!! Have a great Christmas!! 😎
Man..That 110 hauls ass.. I thought the M8 would run away from it but that didn't look like the case at all..
Yea, it definitely didn’t run away. It was a close match up.
By the way.. The bars and the windscreen with the cutaways look really nice on the M8 Street Glide.. Nice..
Im really feeling the M8and what it comes with...but now Im thinking that same thing about the 110cc. Gonna have to go back to the drawing board now...🤔
The m8 doesnt really have much more power, harley says the 107 has 10% more torque than the 103, id hope so with a higher ci engine, the 114 has 8% more torque than the 110, they put out what an additional 5-8hp compared to the old engine, the 4 valves are really just smoothening the bike out, with a lil extra power added. Im not surprised the twin cam held its own at all, we also dont know how much the two riders weigh in comparison to each other, it makes a world of difference.
10% more torque? Are you Sure? If so then 10% more torque must be a big deal from 0-60. Because I raced my brothers 103 vs my 107 and I burned him hard. And he's been riding way longer than me.... so I think the 107 is alot more powerful than the 103. The torque is nice.
Hey Matt, this is one of my favorite videos of yours. Quick question - how well do these kits hold up over time?
FIRST!
[my life is complete, I happened to open my CZcams app right when Matt uploaded a new video. Lol]
Your videos are DA BOMB, Matt. I relied on them for purchasing both of my first two bikes. 👍🏽😎👍🏽
Haha yes!!!!
Awesome i like that you do all this cool stuff giving us info we all like and can use man you are a awesome vloger keep up the good work
Thank you !
I have the stage 2 with the torque cam, rineharts & k&n snorkel & I couldn't be happier .
Hi Matt, really great sound and good looking handlebars too. Thanks for the video. Great job. Greets Alex.
Thank you for making this video. Because of this Ill probably get the tire shredder kit on mine. Kudos for blurring out the speedometers. Smart.
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great comparison video. Well done!
What about upgrades to the CVO 117?
Great video again Matt 😃👍
When buying the M8 stage 4 kit can you get the torque cam from the stage 3 kit instead?
Great vid. Especially on the explanation of where the power is. Above 4k on one and 5k on the other. That's important pending your riding style
Thank you so much for this video. It really helped a lot. I am currently deployed and thinking of things to do before I return. I have a 2012 Electra Glide. I do have a question maybe you can help me with. Do you have any info say with this stage IV kit a Cobra Neighbor haters vs. the SVT Boneshakers ?
Oh and loved the video...keep it up. Let's see another vid on your bike!!
Coming very soon my friend
Matt Laidlaw awesome!! I've got the bell icon clicked buddy, I'm all set lol. Its winter here in NYC so I have to live through u guys in warm areas. Ride safe!!
Hey Matt. I love your videos and can't wait for the next one. I will be 15 at the end of the month and I inherited a 1987 Sportster 883 from my dad. I can tip-toe the bike just fine at 5'4, but can't reach the kickstand which is placed further forward. Does that come with height, or should I put the weight of the bike onto my right leg and bring up kick stand with my left? Any input is helpful.
Nice video Matt, I have a 2016 street glide special with the tire shredder kit and I love it
Nice man. It’s a great engine build. Tons of fun
Bike sounds great you can hear the difference don't need to go at high speeds to appreciate the power great video mad thank you take care
By the way Matt...the new transmission SERIOUSLY BLOWS the TC trans away! Smooth shifting and NO clunking changing gears....WAY better design and I LOVE the hydraulic clutch. If you ask me you shouldn't even thing of comparing the new scoot with the old ones.....Harley FINALLY got it right all the way around....thanks again! My new Street Glide makes me have bug stains! I can live with that!
Yea, speed isn’t everything (although it’s high on the list). There are a lot of factors to consider. Starter is better, runs cooler, better fly wheels and crank, breaths better, better suited for performance upgrades, better charging system. Etc etc. the M8 is just better all around engine.
lol! I love how the speedo is blurred during the roll on acceleration “testing.”
The gauge mists up when you get going fast for some reason.
Great video I noticed the volt meter was almost pegged in the red while riding is that ok? I have 2017 Street Glide and mine stays pegged right above the red line same as this bike. Is that an issue what is your thoughts.
Thank you Matt!
Awesome video wish you guys would have did a test from the dig . To see how hard both bikes can pull from a dead stand still !
Hey I was wondering how fast you went on the road glide in this video, or what’s the fastest you’ve done on a Roadglide & when you topped out was there any kind of wobble?
He had no Road glide in this video
Nice work as usual. Thank you for putting out videos with the things people really want and need to know about these bikes good or bad as you see it, and not just trying to sell paint, chrome and bullshit. As much as I'd like to have seen bikes on a dyno initially, but also understanding the cost and time it would take... the factory performance specs in your usual format with some seat of the pants dyno, same solid commentary and more aggressive riding noise make the video informative, helpful towards making a purchase, and even more enjoyable. Kill confirmed on the twin cam. Lol. That M8 sounds SO good through those mufflers. If Harley Davidson hadn't began to update anything in the last few years I'd STILL be openly trashing them for mushy suspension and coat hanger frames wrapped in plastic that stink of poor tuning and leak oil.
Lol Harleys haven’t leaked oil in over 40 years since the AMF days.
Looks so damn fun. Wish Georgia had that kind of riding weather all the time like CA
That M8 sounds BAD ASS! Love it!
I’ve been thinking about buying a Milwaukee 8 but after watching this vid my mind is changing.
Brad M. Lol why change of mind ?
Yeah, no kidding.
When you do Stage 3 does it change 112mph speed limiter? Mine will climb to 120. Unless my dealer screwed up.
I just want to know what camera/mic you're using.. to be 6 inches from exhaust tip and no distortion is amazing. Beautiful bike.
Great Video. I own a 2016 CVO StreetGlide with the Twin Cooled 110 Twin Cam that is upgraded with a Stage 1. It's dyno'd at 96 horsepower, and 110 lbs of torque at the rear wheel. I will be bumping it up with the 117 kit soon. Should produce great results! 👍😎
Theres a 2016 cvo streetglide for sale near me and im really thinking about getting it. Its being sold for 24k dollars though and a brand new street glide special is 30k so idk if its worth it to just buy the brand new bike.
AWESOME video! Damn these cold Illinois winters! I want to ride!
Visit Cali
Hi Matt, great video as always, my 2017 RGS in the shop just now going to 114 stage 3, dealer has flashed it using a download that removes the speed governor so I will let you know how it goes. I am in Scotland though and it’s around 28 degrees here at the moment so you might have to wait until March 😃 I’m taking this bike to Prague for the 115 Anniversary Rally and that will include some autobahn travel 😈
John Porter why did you go stage 3 instead of 4?
NINJA DAVIDSON to retain Harley torque characteristics and not push all the power to high revs
Ahh. I see. I'm waiting for my new rgs with stage 4. Just wondered.
Yes the low end torque is wonderful. That is real power.
Cool bikes! So if mostly stop light to stop light, if not out on the open highway a lot, what is the way to go...? Stay stock on 103 and 107 or if not, which kit for each?
Hats of to the twin cam, I have a slightly tuned 103 myself but that new Road King Special just speaks to me, 114 kit will make it just right.
Which one would you advise for a 14 Electra Glide ride 45 miles on interstate a day each way
Hi Matt, to check how tall is the wingshield on the 2017
Like do you guys sell Bassani exhaust with the 114 kit specifically.
Cant believe how smooth the idle seemed. Im not sitting on it but ive seen stockers shake alot more that that.
Question when ive loooked for the 110 kit it says i cant use it on trie.anyone know why/
Thanks for another great video. Sure it must be boring making them in that Cali weather!
I’m about to do a 110
Tire shredder kit on my Street Glide.
Can’t wait!
Enjoyed the ride .thank you
Fantastic run, the roads don't look all that smooth. I have the 103 in my 2016, did put oversize titans, harley hi flow kit and the Vance/hines fp3. What would you suggest doing next or leave it alone? Thanks
With that build you get the benefit of a richer sounding exhaust and a slight performance increase. If you want more torque and HP then do a stage 3 or 4
Love the sound. Both are solid bikes.
I've been thinking of buying the tire shredder kit for my 12 street Glide that my wife and I take vacation on every year. So were always riding 2 up so more HP and torque would be nice but I'm not sure what can to go with. I already have a true dual head pipe CFR mufflers and performance air breather. I don't care about top speed and I want a cam that will start building power around 1,000 to 1,500 RPMs so the 259 cam is out and I'm thinking of SE 585 but not sure. Any suggestions? We do have a trunk on it also and are gonna get a trailer.
What size are this Chrome Yaffe Bars ? 👍👍
Great! Salivating just by watching this One on One! Maybe a different cam on the M8 would help? Matt please tell me the secret to your video camera not having wind noise compared to the green bike. Please!
Its an exterior mic in my front pocket. digital recorder
What a place to ride. Glad I can get in the country side in ten minutes. These 2 bikes would be fun there.
Matt:
Thank you for the great videos and insights not to mention responding to all the questions. You don't have to but you do. For those that disagree or have other opinions share them as they are valuable as well. Just do so with respect and some class it you want to be taken seriously. there is a bike, upgrade and good and bad experiences. If you can't go to the another site and waste your time there.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it.
Matt are those Factory 47 Handlebars? Nice bike! Look like 12" or 14"?
Do you guys do any exhaust that a customer may want. Or do you only do the ones that you have in stock.
Great video Matt. Great info, helps a lot Thanks, cheers
Thank you
Matt, with this kit Stage 4 does the Milwaukee 8 do better if you get stuck in traffic in terms of overheating compared to previous power upgrade kits for the twin cam?
By overheating I mean the engine shutting off .
This situation of not moving unfortunately occures more and more often even on highways. Unfortunately where I live we can' t split lanes and every other car is a cop car so it ain't an option..
Thanks!
Matt, my 16 SGS is currently at the dealer, having a Tire Shredder kit installed. I'm currently in Afghanistan, and set to come home in about 10 days. I cannot wait. Watching this video makes me even more excited to get my bike back. I'm throwing some color matched AdvanBlack extended bags and a Cobra 2-1 pipe on it too. Awesome vid, sir. Looked like an absolute blast. As Blockhead would say..."This one time in Mexico..." LOLOL Shiny side up!
Total opsec failure right there.
Yep, the older bike not only held it's own, looks like it was a bit quicker. That's nice to know :)
Real nice ride, love paint too! If mine wasn't 100 anniv I'd do paint job like this, but I want to keep this bike stock paint! I found an amazing horsepower in a bottle way back in 1989, I taught math, so I've been researching bike performance numbers, very interesting subject!
that's too bad, the day looked sunny and fine and yet you caught a cloud on your tachometer at 8:10 :)
I never could see Francesco !! È fatto a posta !!!
2 heavy beasts battling it out awesome video that twin cam tho nice
Serious power!
Al
Enjoyed the ride.. no loud irritating music, mindless chatter etc.. love the sounds of the big twin!
I am about 3.5 yrs late watching this video but, dam that twin cam was either side by side or pulling from the M8. Didn't expect to see that. Great video.
Love this guy videos....keep up the great work Matt ..👍🤘
Thanks for watching!
Those handle bars look great on that M8
Far out they both fly!!!
What tuner does the twin cam have
Great videos man! :)
Matt ...great job again...appreciate your passion and expertise.
My question is that I am hearing that with the rollout with Milwaukee 8 engine on the New Softails Harley Davidson dealers are enforcing the warranty on third party exhaust systems. Meaning “Slip-Ons” are the only pipes allowed...anything else will void your warranty. I have always replaced stock HD exhaust head pipes with a complete exhaust system ....typically Rineheart or Vance & Hines with a tuner and Dyno.
Could you talk about this in a future video ...... and what options we have...of slip-On’s ... impact to engine if I did replace header pipes...performance differences looking for options. What I do know is I don’t like the stock sound but I love the new 114 Heritage ride and performance. Obviously the stock exhaust does not sound as good...very tame...not sure if slip ons make any difference....Sorry to ramble on..,
Thanks
Test rode a 2018 Softail Heritage 114 M8. AWESOME freaking bike, took me by surprise but DAMN, the stock pipes have to go immediately upon purchase.
Hey Matt? Don't worry about me. I'm good!Thanks!!
what pipes are you running? They sound awesome
The sound of the M8 was great and they both ran very aggressive the twin cam was very impressive thanks for the comparison, you have the best riding weather on the west coast
Does it matter if you keep the same stock tire versus a tire that handles high speed? Does the tires make a difference at high speed (i.e vibrations,death wobble.)
These tires are just fine. The bike tracked great. Some times of freeway joints of bumps it can shimmy a little.
Always liked Pirelli night dragon tires. Very sticky when performance trumps longevity.
Express Lane indeed. I like the selective blurring of the speedo. The M8 sounds awesome. What seats were on those bikes?
Both have CVO Street Glide seats
I’m finding a lot of information that with the right cam, screaming eagle injectors, and a power vision tune I can turn some really decent numbers out of my stage 3 M8. Even more if I do heads port and polish but that’s another $1800.
Side note... Love the paint on the 110. Is that a Harley "factory custom' job or owner spec private..?
glad I found this video, my 18 limited is coming in soon and have been anxious as to how this m8 will compare with my 16 limited. Seems that the twin cams make more power at lower rpm than the m8. So the stage iv is out seems like it would be a waste of money. Matt what are your thoughts on the m8 with stage 2 and a good tune. The twin cam I have now has 98.75 hwpr and 121 tourque with 585 cams, fuelsac headpipe ,super tuner and screaming eagle springs and lifters. Can't seem to find any numbers like this on m8. Yes numbers are numbers, but what are your thoughts.
oh she is still 103
The stage 4 needs to be run at a higher RPM to get the max benefit out of the build and cam. Your build you mentioned is a nice low end torque build. This is more for the guy that like to run their Harley at a higher RPM. The 585 cam is a low end torque power delivery. So it just comes down to your riding style