Victoria 3... JAPAN! | Ep 1 | Building an Economy From Scratch!
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2024
- Japan is COMPLETELY different in vibe from anything we've played before. We are isolationists (at least to start!) and must build a complete industry chain from scratch. Do we open our borders? Do we open other people's borders... by force? Let's find out!
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A tip for getting off bad laws (still a lot of RNG). Hire generals/admirals with moderate political views from the faction you want to change. Have them win battles or get events to raise their popularity. Exile the current political leader and the higher the general's popularity, the higher chance they come into power. If you can get a moderate or somehow a market liberal into the landowners, they wont get as bad of a negative opinion when changing laws.
For Japan specifically, a way to cheese it is disband your military except your capital. The revolutionists can't ever win.
so cheese rather than step by step push them out. You can push them ut by stengthening farming and the poorers people situation. Since you have so much selffarming and craft for own use local workshops and farms causes massive changes and lessen the landowners strength
Also gets livingstandards up which again help in getting another party in to push out the shogunate
You can disband individual regiments - scroll down in the army window and expand the unit to see their details. Every brigade has an individual X button to disband
You can also transfer units between armies based on states; when I played as Japan I moved all the Kansai soldiers to a second army and disbanded the first one.
Japan in Victoria 2 was my first Quill18 video
Your taxation isn't going to be fixed until you swap off Traditionalism. It is absolutely not worth trying to fix early-on.
A few tips for the beginning which are more or less best practices. Feel free to not read them if you want to figure out things yourself:
One of the first researches that should be done is stock markets to improve MAPI (Market Access). This influences how much it costs to move goods from one province to another. This is also a reason why it is so important to move away from traditionalism economic system. This is especially important as you only have Hokkaido and sachalin as states with coal, iron and wood, and those not in huge quantities and nearly no population.
As indicated, building a big building economy is important at the beginning. here are states with wood and iron important for iron frame buildings, later coal for steel as well. Hokkaido should be pushed to increase its population for a flourishing industrial center, but shikoku, kanto and tohoku should do well at the beginning, only lacking coal. Kyushu had coal, sulfur and lead, ideal for a weapons industry.
It is also important to move people away from being subsistence farmers into workers, which also weakens the landowners. one of the best ways is to build sawmills. they only cost 200 constructions and employ 5k pops and produce resources for the economy and require goods from the market, strengthening your economy. As you need wood for construction and tools, it is an easy first stepp to industrialize. imho it is good to max them out everywhere so they can later act as a kind of subsistence farm replacement.
MAPI is absolutely huge and I agree with this 100%. It's such a drain on your economy until you get it to not terrible levels.
I usually move capital to Kanto day one and max construction there, and then build up wood/cotton to even out the building costs until the economy stabilizes, usually with around 50 construction and a neutral cashflow and steel tools and as many forests as I can stand.
At this point I start modernizing other stuff while I tech up.... coal for steel, sulphur for paper, lead for glass, a couple unis maybe. Gov buildings only if my beuro goes negative. They really aren't worth building otherwise at the start.
Once I'm stabilized I start setting up for iron, though I don't transition till I have railroads and condensing engines. 15 Construction in Kanto + Road Maintenence gives a very substantial boost to construction efficency, and since that's where your iron and tools are, your MAPI costs are pretty low and you can build up all the secondary industries there (the population is very impressive).
You will seriously screw with your economy when you try and upgrade 50 construction to iron, so be prepared to raise taxes.
I either blow up the economy or I turn it into a juggernaught.
Every time I watch a quill18 victoria run I have no idea whats going on. And then something like "it's time to overthrow the shogunate" drops and I'm there like its the meiji restoration!
I never get past the first episode due to not knowing what's going on.
You can hire an Admiral without having a Navy if you want to complete the Whaling Industry task
I learned the hard way not to rush Admin buildings as Japan. Your tax capacity is low but most of your population is peasants anyways that barely have any money. You end up paying more in admin cost of paper than you get from them and its better to wait until they have industrial jobs to start taxing them.
Don't stress about the taxation capacity IMO. Early on, when most of your population is peasants, you spend more money trying to tax them then you get in return. In my Japan games I don't reach full taxation capacity until I unlock the last tier of government offices.
Pretty much good advice for any nation. Don't build admin for tax, build admin for bureaucracy. If you have to build for bureaucracy, build it where you have unmet tax cap or where your building paper mills becuase it's cheap.
For some reason CZcams recommended me the 3rd episode of this series. Really appreciate you narrating your thought process and explaining mechanics with your lovely voice. As a big fan of management games thank you for a glimpse into Victoria 3.
I'm just here to comment that that little plaid kimono on the thumbnail is the most adorable thing I've seen in quite some time.
Peasant levies gives the Aristocrats extra political power so getting professional army ASAP is usually a good move!
Also, Kansai is your capital, not Kanto, so disbanding the Kanto troops is fine!
Peasant levies encourages Aristocrats to join the Armed Forces so you can use suppression and bolstering to supercharge the AF and Intelligencia in a way that PA actually stops.
Watched your Victoria II playthrough of Japan back when I was around 12 years old. I'm turning 24 this year. Time has flown! Acutely excited about this playthrough, I was hoping this one would come for Vic III.
I never expected a chibi Quill thumbnail, but I guess here we are, the sequel to the Vicky 2 LP 11 years later.
I was just wondering when I'd see another Quill18 Vic 3 video and here we are!
Edit: You're correct. You used to be able to see the construction cost without having to expand it, unless it was a mod that I was using but I'm certain it was base game UI.
Heck yeah Vicky Japan! Victoria 2 Japan was the very first video of your I caught way back when
I love playing as Japan! ❤
I think they're the nation I've played the most of actually.
As a consequence, I'm very bad at managing trade 😅.
Playing Japan, I found Jingoism to be the best way to play. I usually ally Russia and go through the revolution with their help.
Japan will be interesting. Less of a "just trade it" game and more planing.
Quill back watching you again- you were my first gamer streamer and I still dig your vibe so much. Glad you’re playing a game I enjoy myself but you are far better at! Will follow this series…i weirdly want to say welcome back but you’ve been here the whole time….😂 cheers!
You can open your market dow-ing a British colony, it causes the mommy to come in and GB usually asks to open market, then you just back down.
As Japan you are also almost guarenteed to get an Open Market demand from a major power in the first 30 years. I've literally never not have it happen since the new patches.
Looks like the start to a fun series!
Quill watch out: you can remove armies from Kanto, your capital is Kasai
The first time I stumbled on this channel was Victoria 2 Japan run, nice to see you return to it in Victoria 3.
Heads up that Kanto =/= Kansai. I'm guessing you're recording this in batch so maybe this catches you down the line.
Kanto's the spine of your new economy, so you really need to get it better lumbar support
Did you mean.. lumber support..
I super excited for this run. The first series I watched that you did was the Vicky 2 Japan campaign as it was coming out and I've had years of entertainment since.
Thanks for another series quill.
I think a Japan series was my first introduction to Victoria 3. Happy to be back!
Your Victoria II lp as Japan was one of the first lps I ever followed. I'm so excited for this
The way you explain stuff helps me get better at the game
oh man this is a great throw back to your Vic 2 series of Japan
I recommend using the mod EssentialUI. It basically fixes every gripe you have with the vanilla UI
In a lot of my run attempts as Japan, the colonization of Sakhalin ends at some point before I colonize the entire state. I wonder if there's any way to stop that from happening.
Glad you listened to my suggestion. Like I said before this was the first let's play of yours I ever watched (maybe second I think I might have watched an EU4 let's play too)
I came here for the thumbnail, stayed because I always enjoy watching quill18
Nice! I've been interested in a Vic 3 Japan playthrough for some time :) Good thing you provide! :D
Directly controlled investment option is getting removed in 1.7, so i guess it's fitting you're using it one last time on CZcams
There is a sub menu in the military tab that shows you where each unit is stationed and from there you can disband units from specific regions. If you open up the menu for your irregular infantry you will see all the units and if you hover over them you will see the region they are stationed.
As far as disbanding troops, you can change how the troops are listed under the "customize name and emblem" button and switch it from culture to state. From there you can expand the military to see where the units were recruited from.
Yeah, based on my recent Japan playthrough, working consistently ahead of time to de-Shogunatify the military is going to come in real handy down the road.
So pleased to see a surprise Vicky 3 series! 😄😄😄
Yay! Another Vicki 3 game 😊
The directly controlled investment pool is going away in the new version. Ive started turning it off just to get used to it.
Japan seems like a unique and interesting playthrough.
The easiest way I've seen to get out of Isolationism is getting a landowner leader that favors a different trade policy, but that's pretty random as far as if one shows up, let alone if it happens early enough to matter.
new serie nice !
Woohoo! New Japan run!
Looking forward to seeing how to play Japan (or Vic3, for that matter)
Nom nom, feed the algorithm.
Paper is technically a building material in Japan .. so paper industry should be kinda strong.
looking forward to more
Nice way of showing how to build an economy :)
I am extremely satisfied and my day is improved.
I feel that the autonomous pool works for the largest countries like Qing or Russia or even Persia, but smaller countries need every little advantage they can get.
Hopefully you can replace your construction wood demand with paper demand via universities, arts academies, and government admin
me: 😥
quill18: *uploads victoria 3*
me: 🙂
My only thought is make sure you don't run negative bureaucracy, build enough to keep it out of the red.
Never touched Vic 2, in Vic 3 I spend 150h+, still long learning curve ahead to comprehend most of mechanics here.
Yesssssss! Finaly something other than Rimworld. Hype!
Also. I still remember the Vicky 2 Japan Let's Play.
I also remember the unfinished EU4 Japan Let's Play... #Feels
Is Quill, as the player, representing the Imperial government? I was under the impression that the Emperor was a figurehead and the Shogunate was basically in control of the country, but here they're represented as "just" a powerful interest group.
I am from the future and I have a brilliant tip for building Japan's economy. Anime and manga. Trust me, it's gonna be huge.
I've been really hesitant to get into Vicky as its mechanics seem very obtuse and every conflict I've seen seems really hard to predict how it's going to go, but watching you build Japan from scratch might make it easier to learn how a lot of the systems work together.
I really should get Vicky 3 at some point...if only so I know what the heck I am doing when the Anbennar version comes out 😜
Who drew the chibi Quill? It's awesome (dare I say, "kawaii" ^^ )
Sadly it's an AI creation according to what Quill writes in the presentation: "Thumbnail made with the help of DALL-E." There are literally thousands of great artists out there who he could have commissioned to draw a nice chibi, but he chose to go the problematic is-AI-copyright-theft route instead, which makes me really disappointed. Creative people should support each other when they can.
@@joyay Oh. oh. I didn't see that, sorry. 100% agree that AI is most likely theft, I was really hoping Quill knew some good artist who'd done that thumbnail, after all someone must have drawn Quill's other icons. Still, even if this is the result of DALL-E's mass pick-and-mix quasi-frankensteinian sorcery, at some point there has to be one, and likely several, artist(s) who drew the elements that ended up in that chibi Quill, so I'm praising *them* for this piece of art :D
Have to say, I'm still not really as taken with vicky3 as I was with 2, but darned if you playing it doesn't make me want to give it another try.
That said the military side of the game is deeply scuffed still to my knowledge.
commenting for the algorithm!
Does anyone have a pool running on how long it will take our dear Quill to realize the difference between Kansai and Kanto?
I love this economic focus!
I know you're recording way ahead of this, but: your use of Jobseekers to choose where to locate your industries (instead of checking for Peasants, or Unemployed) will mislead you long-term.
The state lives from collected taxes, the people live from the uncollected taxes :) Bad tax efficiency is not the worst thing
I'm fairly certain the taxes are still collected unfortunately. It's taken right out of the rice farmer's pocket and thrown straight into the trash. So neither the state nor the taxpayer benefit.
@@lostfan10000 Huh? Possible, but that's a bad simulation of the economy. At least the bureaucrats should get enriched by the "lost" taxes :) If a bunch of money is just burned, it should cause deflation then?
@@DeyanKostov Check the Treasury page on the Victoria 3 wiki and scroll down to Unrealized Taxes. It says the tax revenue is lost to an "abstraction of corruption and inefficiencies." From looking through the wiki, it looks like that money is straight up set on fire. It's completely wasted. It is never beneficial to have tax waste, if you want to ease the tax burden on citizens simply lower your taxes or cut consumption taxes.
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Delighted to have Quil playing Vicky again.
You are right, it used to show the construction costs.
Also, Kanto is not your capital, it is Kasai, so feel free to get rid of those units. You can expand the units view from army screen to delete individual units. If you first change the view to States not Culture this is easier.
Capitalists and aristocrats building the wrong things at the wrong priority is the whole point of the mechanic.
It's also mandatory after the interest groups and other nations can own buildings update. It wierd to watch a game using a mechanic we already know is gone in a month. It's still good, though.
A favorite opening tech of mine is Stock Exchange. Reducing market access price is really good at moving your newly industrialized goods through your country, especially because you start with Traditionalism.
MAPI is great especially when you start with such big penalties
mandatory comment.
Classic example of Quill overthinking and overassuming stuff instead of actually looking at what is presented in front of him :D
hellooooo
Had a lot of game attempts with Japan. 2 Big Problems:
- The shogunate and it's influence, because they just make it impossible to pass any law that represents some social progress;
- The foreign invasion attempts, to try to force the opening of the economy, that aren't that hard to deal with, but consume time, energy and resources.
If they ask for Open Market, anything other than responding with "Yes" is a mistake.
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Pronouncing Kanto as "Ken-to" is still somewhat OK, but Kansai as "Ken-say" is too jarring to me lol. Really cool to see a Vic 3 run as Japan though.
Nah, I refuse to comment!
So the reason rushing better taxation is bad is because you're basically just rushing a faster way to take income from pops that are already worthless (sorry guys, you're serfs!)
oh no my comment! I dropped it :(
Kansai is pronounced khan sigh
The rule is very simple : A in every Japanese name is pronounced as in "Art" not as in "man". Kanto, Kansai. Not Kento and Kensei.
A+ thumbnail
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Please don't use DALL-E for the thumbnails. AI art isn't something that should be used due to how it sources all its data.
How does it source its data?
It’s not ethical to use in contexts of when you would have paid someone else to make something instead - beyond that argument how is it unethical?
Like yes it’s stealing art to do that but that’s only unethical if you would have paid an artist rather than just spent a long ass time fumbling something yourself. If that’s the level of theft we are worried about I have unfortunate news for you about many products you own that may have parts far more unethically produced that you probably typed this comment from.
Who gives a shit
It doesn’t matter stfu
such a great game
This will be interesting o great and wise Quill-dono.
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