@@Powerstroke431 Yes it’s possible, but you would need to measure up the cab mount locations. If they’re different then you would need to re locate them. A lot of work, but anything’s possible.:)
There are weight charts for DD 2 strokes on the internet. If I'm ever unsure of their size I always do a quick web search and it almost instantly tells me what's what. For example, an 8V71 weighs over 1 ton as does a 6V71. As you can see from that weight it could possibly maybe, but a tranny too may make it all a bit impractical..
If it wasn't for people like you no one would ever know, thanks for all your hard work and ingenuity for all the future swapping of diesel engines, awesome 👏 😀
In college around 2010 one of my instructors had a (I believe) a 1963 Chevy truck cab sitting on a 80's Chevy 1 ton frame with a 6v92 from a Brigadier. I had evening classes and he couldn't drive it through his small town at 11:30pm going home without the fear of waking up the entire town.
Swap the flywheel housing to a sae no 2, put a 653 auto on it and it might be good to go. I would do a 92 or a turbo to keep the heat away with electric fans.
FULL SEND IT BABE! im doing this same thing to a 4-71 detroit diesel and the jakes brakes are about $100 a cylinder.that truck only needs a eaton 6 speed. the 6 speed will help keep the rpms up and if you want turbos put them in the battary boxes put the battarys in the bed under the tool box oh and trim the rad susport silde rad forward and run a 53 SERIES fan on in there smaller and will keep motor just as cool, NICE BUILD im loving the progess u make.
Nice and snug. Might need a cowl on the hood and an adjustment to the steering shaft. Other than that, as long as the crank pulley clears the radiator, you're in good shape. Looking forward to the journey to the finished product.
And in my daydreams, I make a go-cart powered by a 1-71 Detroit. Practical? Heck no! Cool? Yes! It'll never happen though, those 1-71 units were always rare, even more so as time goes on.
Just picked up a 4-71 for my squarebody! It runs and has a 5 speed spicer i believe on it it’s definitely gonna need a body lift of about 3-4 inches and a cowled hood but itll work everything else seems to work
Thank you for the test fitment! The only downside is that you’d need to lift the cab for even basics ,and the loss of 1100 lbs of payload . Probably be a good engine for an F550 wrecker ,plenty of counterweight for the wheel lift. Probably need to regear a 550 as most seem to have 4.88s.
Very true, need double overdrive with the 4.88 rear.:) Would still be gear bound unless the rear diff was changed to 4.10, then would be a lot better.:)
The 6V71 and the 6-71 weigh pretty near the same, at 2100+/- lbs dry and No external accessories, "might" be a little Nose heavy. lol I've been thinking of a swap with a 3-71NA or T and getting an SAE 3 bell housing (yes, they had them for irrigation pumps and some gensets). I assume that 6V is fitted with a Limiting speed gov.?... which you need for an automotive application. I see it's a "1st" gen 6V with the stamped covers (aka "leakers") and the single airbox cover. I hope you go through it, Before the swap... unlike the 4-53T. I think that 6V would be the perfect swap with the Diamond T cab. Good luck with it, whatever you do. Will be watching with great interest. PS: My real favorite, was and still is... the 6-110 / 6-110T. Getting hard to find, but not impossible. WW Williams has the rights & original molds from DD, to remanufacture & manufacture the series 110 engine parts, but I think by now, most people don't know, or even remember what a 6-110 is or was.
Yes this is the old dry bock engine that was rebuilt by Cullen Detroit in 1995 and never never used. It was setup as a genset engine, but I've changed the governor on it.:) Still need to change the flywheel of turn an insert for it. I've started it up around three years ago after freeing up the injectors in it. Replaced one injector N55 that I had in stock and haven't started it since. It's a sweet old Detroit and will eventually get used.:) For now I'm focusing my efforts on the Diamond T/Silver 4-53T and get that finished.:)
I'll bet you it'll fit just perfect behind the cab as a "mid engine conversion"... And turbo it, or maybe bolt another 6V-71=12V-71... And use the "under the hood" compartment like a VW Beetle.
I would think you would need a F450-550 straight axle truck to handle the weight of the Detroit Diesel engine, love these swaps that don't make any sense
the '71 series engines is overkill for such a light duty rolling chassis. these engines are designed for heavy duty trucks and equipments so it is big, bulky, not so powerful but last for a life time. very good attempt.
I am putting a 46 international cab on a 78 transtar chassis with a 6v92 I will have to reroute the exhaust for the turbo as the manifolds are in the way of the wing hoods
Ya those 40's cab's and hoods are narrow. I almost bought a KB7 a few years ago and missed it by a day.:( I ended up finding a 47 Diamond T can and chassis two years ago. That's what this chassis is going to be used for.:)
@detroitgarage9430 yeah I was looking for a diamond T found two forties Internationals instead. 500 bucks 3 trucks 46 48 and 53. How to pay storage till I move the trucks sold the 53 to pay for everything
@@detroitgarage9430.... Personally, I love the sound of the 71 (3's, 6's & V12's) series, Much better. But I prefer the sound of the 8-92NA / T / TA etc... over the 8-71. But, with way the 8-71 is balanced, and with the right springs, injectors, etc, etc.... 3500 rpms is very doable. We ran the 12-71 in our sled puller (74 KW) at between 4,000 & 4,200 and only spun One main bearing, back in 2006... other than that we had over 11,000 "hooks" on the sleds over the years before we retired from sled pulling... plus, the engine had a Million 600K on the engine (OTR trucking) since new in 74. we retired it in 2012. From studying old US Navy records... I knew that we would still be in a "safe zone" at 4K - 42K, because the records showed the the vast majority of the inline 6-71's back in WW2, that "ran away".... never "let go" before 4,850 and Most of them at 5K. PS: I wrote a comment up above - currently at the top a few minutes ago... Mar. 10th, 2024. Take care.
It's not leaking, but feeds air into the combustion chamber of my stove. I heat my shop with waste veg oil.:) Here's a video of the stove and the air setup.:) czcams.com/video/B996Npawqys/video.html
New subscriber here and I’m so glade I found you! I’m also in the midst of starting 6V53T swap! I was just wondering where you get your engines at? I kinda got lucky with my 6V53T with a guy here locally and I’m still in the market for another one preferably an aluminum block one, just wondering who you might recommend. Also do you know of any companies that make adapters so I can run a GM tranny? I would like to run a NV4500. Thanks.
For Gm transmissions, Phoenix Castings makes adapters to fit, for the NV4500 QuickDraw make a #2 adapter for an NV4500. I find my engines through friends and market place. Thanks for the sub:)
That's really cool! I knew that 6V53 would fit, but not a 71 series. Obviously, you mentioned the body lift, how much reinforcement of the front frame do you think would be needed for that kind of weight? I would imagine the front coil Springs would have to be swapped out for for more strength too. And then at the end of the day, will that much weight up front, would you almost end up with a 85/15 front/rear weight distribution?
I don't think the frame would need anything as it's boxed already. When I it down it didn't sag too much, but hard to tell until it's fully dressed and the cab is down as well. Probably a set of air bags would be enough.:)
While it is possible, I wouldn’t want to be the one putting in the hours to make it happen. Starting with a class 7 or 8 chassis would make for a much nicer end result.
@@detroitgarage9430 well you could try finding a old straight 7 speed from the 70 an 80s gmc brigadier . Splicer tyranny. Im retired from Yellow freight. When ya got in one with the dd in it you had to get ur pissed off mean face on. Flat on the floor and cussing a storm. 56mph on level ground and 10 mph up a little hill. Those were the days. Not the Cadillac of today. That 6v74 I think came with a tri plex tyranny in the day. We would be so mad at getting the truck we would stop n pull the Carter pin out and throw one of the shifters in da grass . Shop send wrecker to get it
@@detroitgarage9430 with twin turbos.........Im not so sure ;) Ive seen Australians put the Cummins 6BT in their Nissan Patrols.............and sure enough, the rear diff is an almost instant casualty every time LoL.
nothing irritates me more than when the generator comes on and your listening for things id end up chucking it out the shop or building a sound proof room
You were probably better off w a 6.7 Powerstroke or Cummins. That engine barely makes 238hp weighing 2500lbs dressed. The 6.4 that came out can make far more power deleted. These are cool but grossly underpowered, & burn a lot of fuel.
That all depends on the injectors... J&T Marine 6-71TI's were rated at 465 & 485 hp. A "land based" 6 / 6V71NA with allowed 2 degrees adv. and even green tag N90's at 2350 will easily put out 315 / 320hp. Add After or Intercooling, twin turbo's with the same injectors and either a By-pass or Hi-bypass blower at the same 2350 rpms and 400+/- is doable. The 238hp rating was NA with N60 injectors and std. timing at 2100.
Time & determination.... You've got this ... Make it happen ... You'd have sqillions of people hangin' off episodes of the build 👍 🇭🇲
Very true, have to make the Diamond T build happen first though.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 Out of curiosity do you think it's possible to put a 2016 F250 4x4 4 door cab on a 2006 F250 4x4 4 door chassis?
@@Powerstroke431 Yes it’s possible, but you would need to measure up the cab mount locations. If they’re different then you would need to re locate them. A lot of work, but anything’s possible.:)
Those old 2 stroke Detroit engines look tiny until you see them in in a light duty truck.
Lol, very true.:)
There are weight charts for DD 2 strokes on the internet. If I'm ever unsure of their size I always do a quick web search and it almost instantly tells me what's what.
For example, an 8V71 weighs over 1 ton as does a 6V71. As you can see from that weight it could possibly maybe, but a tranny too may make it all a bit impractical..
If it wasn't for people like you no one would ever know, thanks for all your hard work and ingenuity for all the future swapping of diesel engines, awesome 👏 😀
Thanks.:)
I usually don't comment on videos but this time I couldn't resist... That's quality video content right there. Love it.
Awesome, thanks.:)
I bet the neighbors iust love to listen to that 2 53 running, and working... It sounds great, and keep up the great work...
Thanks, so far no ones come over to say anything, so all is good.:) Sure does sound sweet.:)
In college around 2010 one of my instructors had a (I believe) a 1963 Chevy truck cab sitting on a 80's Chevy 1 ton frame with a 6v92 from a Brigadier. I had evening classes and he couldn't drive it through his small town at 11:30pm going home without the fear of waking up the entire town.
Lol, that's great.:) With my 4-53T I go easy around the neighborhood to keep them happy.:)
Swap the flywheel housing to a sae no 2, put a 653 auto on it and it might be good to go. I would do a 92 or a turbo to keep the heat away with electric fans.
FULL SEND IT BABE! im doing this same thing to a 4-71 detroit diesel and the jakes brakes are about $100 a cylinder.that truck only needs a eaton 6 speed. the 6 speed will help keep the rpms up and if you want turbos put them in the battary boxes put the battarys in the bed under the tool box oh and trim the rad susport silde rad forward and run a 53 SERIES fan on in there smaller and will keep motor just as cool, NICE BUILD im loving the progess u make.
Thanks, going to be some fun.:)
Back in the 1990s I knew a guy that had a 6V53 in an early 80s F350. It took every inch of his engine bay
They're a large engine that's for sure.:) I test fit a 6V53 in my 2009 F350 and it's tight.:)
That looks amazing! Love my 2 strokes and now inspired to try it myself. Thank You!
Awesome, that would be great.:)
Nice and snug. Might need a cowl on the hood and an adjustment to the steering shaft. Other than that, as long as the crank pulley clears the radiator, you're in good shape. Looking forward to the journey to the finished product.
And in my daydreams, I make a go-cart powered by a 1-71 Detroit. Practical? Heck no! Cool? Yes! It'll never happen though, those 1-71 units were always rare, even more so as time goes on.
Very true, rare as hens teeth.:)
i think i would want a quieter forklift in my garage/cool truck idea i can't wait to hear it run
LOl true, I might be putting a muffler and intake silencer on it.:)
6V71 in the F550 would make a great service truck.Maybe an Allison 545.Then you could use the a PTO off the trans.
Very true, sure would be nice.:)
My apc tank used the 6v 53 detroit in vietnam and was a great engine moveing 15 ton at 55mph 4th div.
That's awesome, I see the M113's in Ukraine and sound great with the 6V53T.:)
Just picked up a 4-71 for my squarebody! It runs and has a 5 speed spicer i believe on it it’s definitely gonna need a body lift of about 3-4 inches and a cowled hood but itll work everything else seems to work
That sounds about right.:) My F350 with the 4-53T with Jakes has a cab lift of 1.5".:)
@@detroitgarage9430 i am adding jakes once the truck is going i saw a whole kit for like $500
Hell yeh, I’ll be following this project. Damn I wish I had the $ to do stuff like this.
Thank you for the test fitment! The only downside is that you’d need to lift the cab for even basics ,and the loss of 1100 lbs of payload . Probably be a good engine for an F550 wrecker ,plenty of counterweight for the wheel lift. Probably need to regear a 550 as most seem to have 4.88s.
Very true, need double overdrive with the 4.88 rear.:) Would still be gear bound unless the rear diff was changed to 4.10, then would be a lot better.:)
"That's like six inches."
**Gets tape measure out**
"Okay, so it's four and a half inches"
C'mon man, you're making us all look bad!
Lol, I love it.:)
The 6V71 and the 6-71 weigh pretty near the same, at 2100+/- lbs dry and No external accessories, "might" be a little Nose heavy. lol I've been thinking of a swap with a 3-71NA or T and getting an SAE 3 bell housing (yes, they had them for irrigation pumps and some gensets). I assume that 6V is fitted with a Limiting speed gov.?... which you need for an automotive application.
I see it's a "1st" gen 6V with the stamped covers (aka "leakers") and the single airbox cover. I hope you go through it, Before the swap... unlike the 4-53T. I think that 6V would be the perfect swap with the Diamond T cab. Good luck with it, whatever you do. Will be watching with great interest.
PS: My real favorite, was and still is... the 6-110 / 6-110T. Getting hard to find, but not impossible. WW Williams has the rights & original molds from DD, to remanufacture & manufacture the series 110 engine parts, but I think by now, most people don't know, or even remember what a 6-110 is or was.
Yes this is the old dry bock engine that was rebuilt by Cullen Detroit in 1995 and never never used. It was setup as a genset engine, but I've changed the governor on it.:) Still need to change the flywheel of turn an insert for it. I've started it up around three years ago after freeing up the injectors in it. Replaced one injector N55 that I had in stock and haven't started it since. It's a sweet old Detroit and will eventually get used.:) For now I'm focusing my efforts on the Diamond T/Silver 4-53T and get that finished.:)
I'll bet you it'll fit just perfect behind the cab as a "mid engine conversion"... And turbo it, or maybe bolt another 6V-71=12V-71... And use the "under the hood" compartment like a VW Beetle.
LOl, I've seen a couple like that.:)
Don't rule out this swap just yet, I vote you try it some day soon.
I'll be keeping the cab, so you never know.:)
I would think you would need a F450-550 straight axle truck to handle the weight of the Detroit Diesel engine, love these swaps that don't make any sense
the '71 series engines is overkill for such a light duty rolling chassis.
these engines are designed for heavy duty trucks and equipments so it is big, bulky, not so powerful but last for a life time.
very good attempt.
The 6V71 will most likely be in front of a Peterbilt cab and an F650 chassis.:) I have a 4-53T/ Diamond T build for this chassis.:)
Awesome 👌. Weight shouldn't be an issue.. snow plows 10' are 1000 lbs. And Original engine weighed 600+
You're right, many a snow plow on these trucks and you don't hear much about them.:)
I thought the diesel weighed 1000
@@diesellivesmatter I think the 6.4's were close to 1200 lbs.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 should be fine especially on 450's on up as long mall crawlers aren't installed
This. Is. Epic.
Certainly would be a blast.:)
My 03 f350 gas dually with a short wheel bade and a heavier flat bed has 3000# on the front axle.
Thanks, nice to know.:)
Going back 50 years in technology. I think a crate Cummins makes the same hp, 1/2 the noise, and 1/4 the weight and size
Very true.:)
I am putting a 46 international cab on a 78 transtar chassis with a 6v92 I will have to reroute the exhaust for the turbo as the manifolds are in the way of the wing hoods
Ya those 40's cab's and hoods are narrow. I almost bought a KB7 a few years ago and missed it by a day.:( I ended up finding a 47 Diamond T can and chassis two years ago. That's what this chassis is going to be used for.:)
@detroitgarage9430 yeah I was looking for a diamond T found two forties Internationals instead. 500 bucks 3 trucks 46 48 and 53. How to pay storage till I move the trucks sold the 53 to pay for everything
@@coreyellisart6877 Awesome.:)
A 92 would be the way. If the accessories could sized down it would fit
I love the 92 series, but have a warm spot for the 71's as well.:) But you're right the 92 series would be better.:)
@@detroitgarage9430.... Personally, I love the sound of the 71 (3's, 6's & V12's) series, Much better. But I prefer the sound of the 8-92NA / T / TA etc... over the 8-71. But, with way the 8-71 is balanced, and with the right springs, injectors, etc, etc.... 3500 rpms is very doable.
We ran the 12-71 in our sled puller (74 KW) at between 4,000 & 4,200 and only spun One main bearing, back in 2006... other than that we had over 11,000 "hooks" on the sleds over the years before we retired from sled pulling... plus, the engine had a Million 600K on the engine (OTR trucking) since new in 74. we retired it in 2012.
From studying old US Navy records... I knew that we would still be in a "safe zone" at 4K - 42K, because the records showed the the vast majority of the inline 6-71's back in WW2, that "ran away".... never "let go" before 4,850 and Most of them at 5K.
PS: I wrote a comment up above - currently at the top a few minutes ago... Mar. 10th, 2024. Take care.
Says alot about how big those 6v's are. Those 6.4 engine bays are massive.
Yes they're huge.:)
Not a bad fit. Definitely do able!
I was very surprised.:)
Cool now try a 24V71. ;)
Lol, have to extend the hood some.:)
Well that's cool, I wasn't expecting it to fit as good as it did. Would be fun to make a bunch of noise tho
It sure would.:)
I'd be happy with a 453T in my '71....
4-53T is a nice engine.:)
The big ole windmill on top of a 6v92t might make for trouble closing the hood
Yes that's an issue for sure.:) Have to get creative with that one.:)
You need to fix that leaking air compressor. 😁
It's not leaking, but feeds air into the combustion chamber of my stove. I heat my shop with waste veg oil.:) Here's a video of the stove and the air setup.:) czcams.com/video/B996Npawqys/video.html
Wow. :)
New subscriber here and I’m so glade I found you! I’m also in the midst of starting 6V53T swap! I was just wondering where you get your engines at? I kinda got lucky with my 6V53T with a guy here locally and I’m still in the market for another one preferably an aluminum block one, just wondering who you might recommend. Also do you know of any companies that make adapters so I can run a GM tranny? I would like to run a NV4500. Thanks.
For Gm transmissions, Phoenix Castings makes adapters to fit, for the NV4500 QuickDraw make a #2 adapter for an NV4500. I find my engines through friends and market place. Thanks for the sub:)
@@detroitgarage9430 wow!!! Thank you so much, this is just terrific info!!
@@Jim-pw3wz You're welcome.:)
Cool but who wants to work on things this tight. Not me!
After all the accessories are added it would be very tight.:)
she's mint send it!
That's really cool! I knew that 6V53 would fit, but not a 71 series.
Obviously, you mentioned the body lift, how much reinforcement of the front frame do you think would be needed for that kind of weight? I would imagine the front coil Springs would have to be swapped out for for more strength too.
And then at the end of the day, will that much weight up front, would you almost end up with a 85/15 front/rear weight distribution?
I don't think the frame would need anything as it's boxed already. When I it down it didn't sag too much, but hard to tell until it's fully dressed and the cab is down as well. Probably a set of air bags would be enough.:)
Awesome to know that the 6v71 will fit in an F-550! Are you planning on using it for the diamond T?
Yes, just moving junk around as we speak. Have one more test fit (378 Peterbilt cab) then the Diamond T cab get set in place.:)
Wellll,,, save the cab then a mid-liner running gear
@DetroitGarage how much you think k you would charge someone to Detroit swap a ford with a 4-53t or a 6v53t manual 4x4 and all
I don't do this for hire, but only my own projects.:)
18:58 Definitely don't wanna bust out the tape measure in front of the ladies
Eyeballed: That's about 5 to 6 inches
Tape Measure: That's 4 1/2 inches
Lol, that's a good one.:)
We had them in Flixible buses, making 190 hp, it was a dog
Yes at 190 HP they would be terrible.:) This one would end up at 300-350HP and around 700-750 ftlbs of torque.:)
Change out the injectors, and 2 degrees advance on the cam.
While it is possible, I wouldn’t want to be the one putting in the hours to make it happen. Starting with a class 7 or 8 chassis would make for a much nicer end result.
Your correct, I'd have to run the numbers again, but didn't leave me much room on the front axle.
I'm curious what tranfer case would be used in combination of transmission? 🤔
I’d be inclined to use an NV273 and adapt it to a 7-13 speed. Could use a Zf6 and marry it to the nv271/273.
I didn't think it would fit. Dang.
I was very surprised.:)
Boy them rolling coal boys would die to get dat motor in their truck. Lol. Ive seen one in a chevy 3500 with a 10 speed tyranny. So it can be done.
Lol, very true. I've seen a few of those 10 speed swaps.:) I'm still wondering how they blow up the 5-6 speeds that were in them to start with.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 well you could try finding a old straight 7 speed from the 70 an 80s gmc brigadier . Splicer tyranny. Im retired from Yellow freight. When ya got in one with the dd in it you had to get ur pissed off mean face on. Flat on the floor and cussing a storm. 56mph on level ground and 10 mph up a little hill. Those were the days. Not the Cadillac of today. That 6v74 I think came with a tri plex tyranny in the day. We would be so mad at getting the truck we would stop n pull the Carter pin out and throw one of the shifters in da grass . Shop send wrecker to get it
how is the rear differential not going to explode into little pieces of shrapnel..........? It fits better than the original ford engine.......omg.
Dana 110 is a very strong rear end and rated for well over the 650 ftlbs of torque the 6V71 makes.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 with twin turbos.........Im not so sure ;) Ive seen Australians put the Cummins 6BT in their Nissan Patrols.............and sure enough, the rear diff is an almost instant casualty every time LoL.
@@wazza33racer Yeah not sure if you were to add over 800 ftlbs of torque? I'd have to see what they're rated for.:)
Holy crap
nothing irritates me more than when the generator comes on and your listening for things id end up chucking it out the shop or building a sound proof room
I hear you on that one.:)
Nice!
You ever thought about using the hood of the 650?
I never thought of that, but will have a look and see.:)
@@detroitgarage9430
They use the same cab so the firewall should match.
Have a wonderful weekend!
@@franciscolinera7618 Thanks.:)
I ran that engine on a dredge when I was younger and that engine is way to heavy for a one ton truck.
Probably use a 5 ton chassis for the 6V71.:)
how about buying a muffler for the forklift ?
Yes needs a muffler and an intake silencer.:)
Here's one you'll like.:) czcams.com/video/khsRQWsQPqs/video.html
How would a 6v53 compare size and weight wise? This engine is too heavy
You would be a weight pretty equivalent of a 6.4l and big steel snow plow.
It's smaller than the 6V71 and about 600 lbs lighter. I test fit one in my 2009 F350 and fit pretty nice.:)
I wonder how a 8v71 would fit in a f750
It just might.:)
Whats the weight of the 6v71 vs the 6v53
6V71 is 2000 lbs and the 6V53 is 1500 lbs.
You were probably better off w a 6.7 Powerstroke or Cummins. That engine barely makes 238hp weighing 2500lbs dressed. The 6.4 that came out can make far more power deleted.
These are cool but grossly underpowered, & burn a lot of fuel.
Very true.:)
That all depends on the injectors... J&T Marine 6-71TI's were rated at 465 & 485 hp. A "land based" 6 / 6V71NA with allowed 2 degrees adv. and even green tag N90's at 2350 will easily put out 315 / 320hp. Add After or Intercooling, twin turbo's with the same injectors and either a By-pass or Hi-bypass blower at the same 2350 rpms and 400+/- is doable. The 238hp rating was NA with N60 injectors and std. timing at 2100.
@@Romans--bo7br Very true, I think a nice 300HP would work well.:)