Snoopy Speaks! And Other Times Peanuts Broke Its Own Rules - Cynical Adult Watches Cartoons
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- ⚡EDIT 12 9 2022 Hello and welcome to all the new viewers! This video has taken off beyond what I ever could have expected, and I'm incredibly grateful to every one of you. If you're new here, or if you haven't already, please take a moment to like, subscribe, and comment - that kind of engagement helps the channel grow, and helps me bring you the fun stuff I have in the works.
Speaking of commenting, your comments have been amazing! I could spend the rest of my life just talking to Peanuts fans. And so many of you have been sharing moments of your own - it turns out that you saw and heard the adults a lot more times than I realized! I'll be revisiting this topic very soon, tracking down as many of those moments as I can - and believe me, I'll be crediting everyone who contributed!
EDIT 12 13 2022 I want to thank you all again for your comments. I've enjoyed hearing from all of you, but I'm going to have to step away from responding to every comment for now, until I get my next video done. No spoilers, but it involves the animated The Hobbit, The Simpsons, and Batman...⚡
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Ever since A Charlie Brown Christmas, the rules of the animated Peanuts specials have been well-established: Snoopy never speaks, adults are never seen onscreen, and if those offscreen adults speak, all you hear is a “bwahbwah bwah, bwah bwah bwahbwah bwahhhh” sound. But each of those rules has been broken, more than once.
Chapters
0:00 Intro: The Rules
0:58 Your New Favorite Thing
2:50 Rule 3: Adults Are Not Heard
4:58 Rule 2: Adults Are Not seen
6:34 My Theory
8:48 PARENT SIGHTING!
9:47 Rule 1: Snoopy Does Not Speak
12:03 The Stages Of Snoopy
14:51 The Rules Of The Comics
16:00 My New Face
This video necessitated much more research than usual; I want to extend special thanks to the following:
- The Peanuts Wiki was invaluable for keeping facts and dates straight. It was thanks to this wiki that I learned about Mr and Mrs Van Pelt appearing in Is This Goodbye, Charlie Brown? peanuts.fandom.com/wiki/Peanu...
- Images of Peanuts merchandise were provided by Caren Pilgrim of CollectPeanuts.com. The site has a vast collection of modern and vintage Peanuts merchandise for sale. collectpeanuts.com/
- Shoutout to Seattle’s legendary Scarecrow Video, frequently the only place I was able to find some of the more obscure specials. I will give so much money to whoever releases a box set of all the Melendez/Mendelson Peanuts specials. Maybe it could come in a box shaped like Snoopy’s doghouse, and some of the more significant specials and movies could have commentary by Jean Schulz and some Peanuts historians, I dunno, just spitballing…
blog.scarecrow.com/
I have much more to talk about on the subject of Peanuts and Charles Schulz. I swear, there is a tape of my high school production of You’re A Good Man, Charlie Brown! You’ll never guess who I played…
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The fact that the actress who voiced Peppermint Patty is named Patricia Pats and is a redhead blows my mind
And not much older than I am! I hadn't thought about it, but yeah, someone who was in a Peanuts special in the 80s is not going to be that old!
@@cynicaladult and based on her voice, she was also probably gay.
@@spankynater4242 In most specials, however, "she" was voiced by a he! Yes a boy did her voice at least half of the time, here is a list of both boys and girls who have played her en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint_Patty
@@spankynater4242 she did give off that butch lesbian vibe with her friend being kind of her gf
My mind was blown when I started seeing parallels between Patty & Helga, Peanuts & Hey Arnold. A bossy tomboy with a glasses wearing subordinate who has a crush on an unpopular boy that she can't confess to, but he has a crush on a red haired girl. Just combine Patty & Lucy into a single person.
Why is Snoopy talking more acceptable to me than Adults talking
So I'm not the only one? I *think* it's because Snoopy is still considered one of the kids, or exists more or less at their level. We see him, and in the comics we're privy to his thoughts, so it makes marginally more sense.
I think it's because the kids, despite being kids and doing kid things, talk and are written almost exclusively like they're adults. There probably wasn't a need at that point. Granted, adults did appear in Schultz's other works, namely "It's Only a Game"
I'm ok with every character talking
I never thought that Snoopy was actually singing and talking in those movies. I always thought of him thinking those thoughts like in the comics.
Same here.
100 percent agree and no disrespect to Robert Towers who is thankfully still with us but I am glad they didn't have this in many or any other episode. I prefer to see snoopy do action than to hear his thoughts constantly. I guess it was cool and unique but at same time not needed.
Snoopy talking isn't as weird when you consider how he is in the comics. He doesn't technically speak in the comics, but you hear him thinking human level thoughts. It's interesting how Snoopy is a verbal character in the strip, but in the specials, he's a silent character.
I can see Schulz's reasoning. It's not so jarring to hear the human characters speak - we all know more or less what an 8 year old sounds like. With Snoopy's thoughts, we can imagine his voice in our head, but without a frame of reference for "a beagle uttering english dialogue" (I'm obsessed with that phrase 😅) *anything* we hear from him is going to sound weird. That said, again, both Robert Towers and Cam Clarke did a fantastic job bringing him to life!
Yeah just like Garfield he also never talks in the comic
@@h2oguy740 but he thinks. (In the show he talked)
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 snoopy thinks too in the comics
True. I love him in the comics.
I have NEVER NEVER NEVER considered those songs to be Snoopy speaking or singing or even his inner voice. To me it was a narrator putting words to his scenes, just like us pet owners do.
In the musicals, at least, it's his inner monologue.
Snoopy “speaking” is so cute. The voice fits him perfectly.
I would have liked to see Robert Towers in the role! And Cam Clarke did a great job - and I hadn't realized he was Liquid Snake as well!
I always loved that Marcie called Peppermint Patty "Sir"!!
Patty is actually a trans icon
@@Karmy.She is just a girl who acts like a guy?
Me 2
and she would say stop calling me Sir lol
I have to admit my wife and I love the Peanuts almost as much as you. When I was a child back in Catholic school we had a Italian Priest who was called Father Snoopy because he had one of the largest Peanuts and Snoopy collections in the country and even made it on the news. Our Catholic schools mascot was also Snoopy.
That's been the best part of this video blowing up - getting to talk to other Peanuts fans! I love hearing about the personal connections people have to it.
Is this your Father Snoopy? catholiccourier.com/articles/saying-goodbye-to-a-friend/
I always imagined that snoopy was somehow miraculously smarter than the average dog. Simply put, one time a kid wondered if snoopy was "a kid in a dog suit", well, they might be closer to the truth than they realized.
Hmm, you may be on to something! In my high school production, once the kid who played Snoopy got the costume on, it became shockingly easy to start treating him like a beagle...
Now I'm curious - I can't remember if any animals in the strip, other than Snoopy and his family, had inner monologues. The birds had their language, and I'm pretty sure we got sound effects, but I don't remember any cats, or any other dogs, having audible thought balloons. Time to start poring over old strips...
@@cynicaladult I meant metaphorically... In that snoopy's intelligence is effectively equivalent to a wise-beyond-his-years child and if snoopy existed in real life, I think there'd be a lot of political debates over whether to give him the rights as though he were a human.
@@monitorlizardkid8253 Ah, gotcha! Definitely worth thinking about!
I remember that in one of the specials Charlie Brown told a kid at the door that Snoopy was a kid in a dog suit in order to allow him to accompany Charlie Brown to the Valentines dance at school. The kid actually believed him!
@@melissacooper8724 Ha, Peppermint Patty thought for years that he was just a funny-looking kid with a big nose!
Aw, I like Snoopy’s voice. It’s not what I imagined from reading the comics but it fits him perfectly!
It helped that Robert Towers had played the part on stage. But I gotta wonder if it was weird for him going from acting with adults to acting with the kids from the special! 😀
Snoopy sounds like the kind of guy that would use a Metal Gear
@@danthemanspear 😂
@@cynicaladult honestly I prefer Cam Clarke
Whenever I read Snoopy’s thought bubbles in the comics growing up, I read them in a voice that sounded just like the sounds Snoopy made in the specials.
I always tear up in She’s a Good Skate, Charlie Brown when Woodstock so beautifully whistles Peppermint Patty’s music while she performs the perfectly animated routine. Touching and a true high point of the specials…🥺📺🐕
So beautifully animated!
Since no one has mentioned it yet, In Snoopy's Reunion the farmer who runs the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm (where Snoopy and his siblings were born) is on screen, talking quite a bit near the start of the special. And later in this special a bus driver is seen and talks. I was always surprised by that!
Aha, another one for the followup!
I can remember Snoopy being such a popular merchandising character in the 70s and 80s that the Snoopy and Woodstock toys were kind of spun off into their own world, often without the kid characters. Specifically the "Snoopy and Belle" dolls with their human proportions and clothing.
There was a while where it definitely felt like Belle was being heavily promoted. I remember the "Snoopy and Belle" toys, and even just Belle, solo, with no Peanuts or Snoopy branding.
@@cynicaladult It definitely seemed like toy companies zeroed in on Belle to make "girl Snoopy" merchandise. I don't remember Belle being a major player in any special or film. The Snoopy and Belle dolls reminded me of a cross between Barbie/Ken and the Donny and Marie show. I'm thinking most kids had no clue that Belle was supposed to be Snoopy's sister.
Belle was in snoopy's reunion with his second sister who disappears after this special and the peanuts movie. She was in the opening to charlie brown and snoopy show also. She was in some kids books I believe also.
I had a bunch of Snoopy and Peanuts stuff when I was a kid. I had like the Snoopy Christmas album and even had Snoopy pajamas at one point. Peanuts was THE cartoon series in the '70s when it came to merchandising.
When I first heard Peppermint Patty's teacher utter true words all those years ago I damn near gave myself whiplash I snapped my head up so hard.
It was just so...so... not right.
So you noticed it too? I'm...I'm not alone? 🥲
@@cynicaladult If I noticed it, I'm sure others did too.
By this time, my admiration of Schulz was beginning to dim. The quality of the specials was going down. Vince Guaraldi was gone, and none of his replacements captured the same musical feel. As you pointed out, a lot of the "rules" were being broken. The characters in the last few years of strips didn’t bother to get angry or sad or happy any more; they just spoke emotionlessly *at* each other.
Heck, I saw the broadway musical "Snoopy" and a fellow audience member commented afterwards that it was "...the most expensive FORTY FIVE MINUTES they'd ever spent..." Forty. Five. Minutes.
In short, it felt like Schulz was phoning it in.
I recommend David Michaelis' biography, "Schulz and Peanuts" if you want to get a feeling for where Sparky's head was at. I know it PO'ed a lot of folks currently involved in Schulz' legacy, claiming that the book would tarnish CS' image. For me, it did the opposite: by demonstrating that Sparky (like Walt Disney) was complex, troubled, competitive, aloof, and sometimes downright thoughtless and selfish, I could better appreciate WHY the product of Peanuts was the way it was.
However, the latest series of "Snoopy Presents..." specials goes a long, long way to give the gang its "heart" back. They're like the original Christmas special all over again...and I mean that in the best way possible.
@@AC-ih7jc I get it, especially with the music - I was noticing that watching all those specials for this video! As for the strip, it definitely went through definable phases, even if most peoples' perception of Peanuts seems fixed around the 70s and 80s, once Woodstock became Snoopy's little sidekick, and once Peppermint Patty and the kids from the other school were firmly established. I actually like the 90s era of the strip, at least aesthetically - as Sparky's hand got shakier, his lines got scratchier, which to me made it look more Peanuts-y, if that makes any sense 😆
I noticed that too when I first saw that special. I thought "Whaa!"
Bon Voyage Charlie Brown kind of desensitized me to the idea of adults talking in their universe...
Peanuts is timeless. I hope future generations will love them like I did when I was a kid
I think it will continue to be loved for many years, even if the way it's presented continues to change. The further we get from when Sparky was alive, the more the idea of "what Peanuts WAS" evolves. In, like 2050 there'll be a live-action movie and I'll be too old and curmudgeonly to get into it, but some kid born in 2046 is gonna form a lifelong connection and that's fantastic.
As a kid, I didn't have a problem with hearing Snoopy's inner monologue in the animated shows. To me it was actualizing what is in the comic strips. It was the other specials which broke the rules of the comics by having no inner monologue for him. Thanks for sharing the NY TImes article, which gives an explanation for the difference.
I think the tradeoff was that we would be able to see Snoopy's fantasies in the cartoons - we'd get to see, say, the WWI Flying Ace behind enemy lines, while in the strip, with its more confined borders, we just got Snoopy "narrating" what he was imagining.
Fun little fact about the "Wah-wah" adult trumpet 'speak': from what I understand, the trumpet is played to match what the adult is actually saying. You might not be able to tell the exact words, but could probably make some educated guesses based on the length of the 'wahs' from the trumpet.
I absolutely love Peanuts. Growing up, my dad bought me the first few of the full comic collection books, and I reread them alongside his collection of old Calvin and Hobbes comic books. I remember doing a biography speech about Charles Schultz my first year in college because of my love for the series.
Peanuts and Calvin and Hobbes go together so well! Peanuts captured my heart at an earlier age, but Calvin and Hobbes is just about as perfect as a comic strip can get - especially considering the state of the comics pages by the 80s and 90s. On top of everything else, you have to respect Bill Watterson for fighting to reclaim space for big, beautifully rendered sunday strips.
@@cynicaladult My favorite Calvin and Hobbes strips were the 'snowmen art' ones, where he'd make snowmen in goofy (if not somewhat gruesome) scenarios. One of the strips, his parents even comment something like "Well, you have to admit, it's slowed traffic down in our neighborhood."
I actually remember a Dilbert strip that references the often big and beautiful artstyle of the Sunday strips, where Dilbert gets thrown into a rendered imaginary space and says something like "It's like a Calvin and Hobbes comic!" Pretty cool how a comic from decades ago can have an influence on other comic creators!
@@MasterCrash123 Yes! The snowmen were some of the best! Some friends of mine have a daughter who is way into C&H ever since they bought the complete collection, and one time she yoinked her dad's glasses and reenacted the "Calvin, go do something you hate" strip. That kid's gonna be alright!
@@cynicaladult Also, Bill Watterson is on record as saying that Charles Schulz was his greatest inspiration and favourite cartoonist. (Though he did criticise Schulz for continuing to do the strip for too long.)
@@cynicaladult I've always thought of Jeremy in "Zits" as something of a teenaged Calvin.
My mom grew up in the 70s and 80s and adored Peanuts! She had that exact Snoopy phone shown at the beginning in her bedroom for years and regretted giving it away after high school.
I can relate! Unfortunately very little of my Peanuts collection is from my childhood - the phone was a birthday present from sometime in my 20s.
Snoopy still technically didn't speak, because technically It's the voice in his head as he continued to ramble in a Snoopy fashion long after the spoken words which I've always assumed as the voice in his tiny head filled with much adventure. 😂
Surprised you didn’t include the instance of Snoopy literally singing along with the other kids at the end of the original 1965 version of A Charlie Brown Christmas which was changed in 1966 to him only smiling and howling.
There's a very good reason I didn't include that one: because I didn't know about it until now! That must have been when they removed the Coca-Cola ad from the end!
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I prefer many parts of the original version of A Charlie Brown Christmas than the Paramount edit I grew up with. I wish the newer edit had the shot of Linus hitting the sign after being flung by Snoopy (the Coke logo could have easily been edited out).
@@Antifearn you can actually see an alternate version with a “Danger!” sign in the original commercial for the special, no idea why they didn’t add that version in after the Coca Cola version was removed.
@@cynicaladultbetween the 1965 debut, and the 1966 rebroadcast, they did some tweaks and edits. Snoopy does sing along with the kids in the first version. In the second version, his mouth is in the oooh shape while the kids are oooh'ing, and then when they sing the words to Hark the herald angels sing, Snoopy still mimes to the song but his mouth is shut. Kind of a shame really. Then when they edited off the Coke logo at the end, the end of the song was also lost. I've seen the restored original end but I was born in 68 so I didn't actually see the original broadcast of course. By the time I saw it, it was sponsored by Dolly Madison, maker's of neat to eat treats.
@@ColeWalkerthey probably lost or misplaced the cels for that bit of animation. I remember the danger sign too.
Oh my God all these years I remember watching the peppermint Patty ice-skating special when I was a kid staying home from school one day because I was really sick and when I heard the adults not speaking trombone I thought that I had way too much medicine in my system I can’t believe it really was a special where we actually heard clearly speaking adults.
Ha, glad I could help you get that closure! I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one who was confused when it happened...
"You're A Good Man", "Bon Voyage", and "Flashbeagle" have always been some of my favorite specials.
I remember first watching the premiere of the episode where the Van Pelts move away, and being shocked that they actually showed the faces of the furniture movers.
Maybe that was to distract viewers from the fact that they seemed to be abandoning their youngest child...
As a fella who played Snoopy in two separate productions of You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown, and got a chance to meet Charles Schultz in his studio, I really appreciate this! Thanks for putting it together.
You can't just drop a bomb like that without details!
I always thought that was a narrator speaking/singing Snoopy's "would-be" inner monologue.
You could see the difference in approach between the comics and cartoons. In the comics you'd get the standard thought balloons: "here's the world famous tennis champ..." or "here's Joe Cool hanging out at the student union." But in the cartoons they'd have the kids saying it: "there goes the World War I flying ace..."
Snoopy speaks in thought Balloons (like Garfield) in the comic strip, so I always thought it was weird he wasn't allowed to speak in the TV specials.
Cam Clarke (best known as Leonardo the Ninja turtle) actually was a pretty good Snoopy voice.
I really loved the onscreen thought balloons in the Peanuts Motion Comics - it's a great compromise that allows us into Snoopy's thoughts while keeping him unique from the kids. I'd love a longer-form project that could express Snoopy's thoughts through the thought balloons, while still leaving room for the Snoopy vocalizations, and the interludes of Snoopy antics (which, I discovered while researching this, were done almost entirely by an animator named Bill Littlejohn!). And then you could have fantasy sequences, like when he's fighting against the Red Baron, and *there* you could give him a voice.
4:03 Peppermint Patty falls asleep in class because her father works nights and she stays up to see him when he comes home at midnight. She doesn't pay attention because she falls asleep. And she gets the answers wrong because she doesn't pay attention.
Who’s Who On The Dance Floor:
Accompanying our dancers are Schroeder on toy piano, Snoopy on guitar, and Pig Pen slapping the bass.
Far upstage doing the running man is Shermy.
Downstage from him is Frieda, known for her naturally curly hair and her boneless cat Faron.
Near her in the green is Violet Gray. Bet you didn’t know that was her last name!
Next to her, you probably recognize Linus Van Pelt and Sally Brown.
The young man in the orange shirt doing a shrug-dance is 555 95472. And the go-go twins are his sisters, 3 and 4. Their dad changed the family name to protest that newfangled invention, the “zip code.”
Finally, I got to know the names of the 3 kids that I saw only in A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965): the boy in the orange shirt (555) and his twin sisters (3 and 4)
@@isabeld.paredes4923 A lot of characters from that special kind of fell by the wayside in the later years of the strip; Shermy, Violet, Patty (Patty-Patty, as opposed to *Peppermint* Patty)...I'm surprised Charlotte Braun isn't in there 😆
@@cynicaladult Not only those you mentioned; other characters from Peanuts that appeared later in the strip I didn't see in some of the animated specials, such as Thibault, Loretta, and Poochie. (I must admit, I have yet to see some of the specials.) Rerun appeared in I want a dog for Christmas, Charlie Brown
I don't think i realized that 5's full name was 555. Never knew 5 was short for anything 🤣🤣🤣
CZcams has been giving me a lot more videos by people with smaller channels on my recommend page, and its pretty miss...but when it hits it HITS! Loved your voice, editing, and scriptwork! You've def earned my subscription
Wow, wow wow, it means so much to hear that! I'm so glad you enjoyed this!
My mother used to say Charlie Brown was depressing! 😄
She's not wrong...
I think we all have a small Charlie voice within
I always I can relate to him lol.
Interesting thing about the whole ice skating thing-- Charles Schultz actually purchased an ice skating arena in the county where he lived, it was decorated in Peanuts designs and there was a dedicated Peanuts store right next to it.
And the Warm Puppy Cafe, where he would go for breakfast! Now there's also the Charles Schulz Museum, to which I WILL have to make a road trip before too long...
Sparky was also an avid hockey player into his 70s - I remember at one point, I wanna say the late 80s, he had to have arthroscopic knee surgery after a hockey injury, so he made a storyline for Snoopy out of it 😄
It's funny that we grew up thinking of these rules while at the same time we know they've all been broken. In regards to Snoopy, I swear he had voiceovers similar to Garfield back in the Saturday morning show from the 80s.
And my dance is that kid in the yellow shirt.
Both my daughters were born in the 1980s and we watched “race for your life Charlie Brown” at least a million times over & over I swear, because that’s when we got our first VCR😊We still use the expression “the chateau of the bad neighbor”quite frequently.❤
I saw Race For Your Life a lot too! My local single-screen old theater (back when those were a thing) would have lots of kids' matinees, and they showed that one a *lot*. Somehow I didn't end up watching Bon Voyage until a couple of years ago, but when I heard the adults speaking it instantly brought up memories of She's A Good Skate!
Race for Your Life may have been the first VHS I owned. My parents bought it from Fotomat, and it had a snazzy silver/black case!
Once Vince Guaraldi died in 76 it went down hill fast...especially after 79...kinda like how your favorite bands get back for a reunion tour...never the same
I'm told the This Is America miniseries had music by contemporary jazz stars like Dave Brubeck and Wynton Marsalis. Might be worth a rewatch just for that...
1987, probably the first time I saw "She's a Good Skate". I was five. It blew my mind to hear an adult speak where I could understand them in a Charlie Brown cartoon.
Wow, I don't know if I would have caught it at five!
You are so underrated man! My dad was always a huge fan of Peanuts, watching this as a teen who's grown up on this stuff was fairly entertaining. Keep up the good work, I really think you could go somewhere!
Thanks, that really means a lot, and I'm glad you liked it!
My mother once wrote Schultz and got a personal reply. First he stated he never uses an idea from a corresponding fan. But it was obvious that he love what my mother wrote him. My little brother, facing a sex ed lesson said it might be the longest day in his life.
At one point, Snoopy actually uttered out an English word-in "It's The Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown", Snoopy clearly says "Hey!" during the dancing bunnies scene. (As he does, however, his mouth doesn't move.)
So, like in the clip at 0:20 😅
I would like to think that rather than Snoopy actually "speaking" that it isn't just us hearing his normal inner monologue (which in my mind is not really breaking any standard rules). It is not like his kids are moving after all! 😂
Have you read the strips with the school building? It goes to a...dark place.
* did you mean 'lips'?
Flashbeagle charlie brown had tons of teens at a disco. Pied piper charlie brown had tons of adults in main speaking roles. It's the girl in the red truck charlie brown was full of live action adults also. Of course, the other big rule "Charlie brown can't kick the football" was broke in its magic charlie brown!
Oh this is good stuff. Thanks!
I think it's true that the only talking adults who ever "appeared" in the comic strip were in the Van Pelt family. In addition to the two Grandma Van Pelt strips, there is also an early Sunday strip where Lucy is using color crayons and Linus comes up to borrow some...
Lucy: "GET AWAY FROM THOSE CRAYONS!"
Lucy & Linus's Off-Panel Mom: "Lucy! You share those crayons with your brother!"
Lucy (to Linus): "I ought to slug you!"
Linus (smugly): "Just give me the crayons..."
Lucy (giving a few crayons to Linus): "There! There's three of 'em. Now get out of here!"
Lucy (to the off-panel Mom): "I gave him three, mom. Is that good enough?"
Off-Panel Mom: "That's fine, Lucy. We should always share with each other."
Final Panel shows Linus staring down at the crayons in his hand: "White, black and gray. *sigh*"
Good memory! I'll have to track that one down for the followup...
@@cynicaladult The Van Pelts were the most common, but there were others. Mrs. Brown spoke on 11/7/50 and 1/26/59, and Mr. Brown spoke on 6/20/93. There have also been various voices on the TV or radio.
I feel like snoopy technically didn't talk. As one could argue that was all in his head and thats just his "thinking" voice. Though all those other rules, I straight up thought I imagined the teacher talking, thanks for confirming that
Well researched and informative! I found it pretty heartwarming to revisit all these characters. A “strips that got adapted to the cartoon” would be worthy of its own video.
That does have potential! All the animated material uses stories and dialogue from the strip to varying degrees - you'd have some like She's A Good Skate that would use it as a springboard, and other stuff like the Charlie Brown And Snoopy Show that was just straight across, like manga to anime 😅 I didn't have time to get into this, but in the special Peppermint Patty gets to the competition, but her tape breaks and all looks lost, until Woodstock steps in and whistles a beautiful aria. In the strip, she gets there and anticlimactically finds out it's a *roller*-skating competition.
Seriously, I probably could do Peanuts material full-time. There's plenty, just animation-related...
@@cynicaladult I mean, the only comparison I could give for Snoopy is that his inner monologue would've been equivalent to Garfield's, since word balloons imply that they don't speak through their mouths, but with their minds. Imagine if Garfield and Snoopy (and maybe Odie) where in the same room, Snoopy would find it rather odd that Garfield can speak up while Odie is a mute.
I remember watching "She's a Good Skate, Charlie Brown" back in 1980 and being shocked to hear an adult speak (though still off-screen) instead of the usual "wah-wah-wah-wah".
It's been such a relief finding out I'm not the only one!
Wonderful analysis! Not sure if it was mentioned but today (11-26-2022) would have been Schulz’s 100th birthday!
I saw that on Twitter! I hadn’t even been aware of that when I was making this - just a wild bit of synchronicity!
Well on November 26, 2022 many of the cartoonists did a tribute in honor of Schultz's centennial. The creator of Curtis took a step further by having Frankiln, one of the Peanuts characters tutor Curtis in a storyline of his strip.
@@melissacooper8724 The heathcliff artist also did a peanuts bit!
When it comes to Snoopy talking there was also the Worlds of Wonder Talking Snoopy toy. It's pretty much a Teddy Ruxpin type toy made by the TR makers. WoW Snoopy was voiced by Cam Clarke, two years before Snoopy the Musical.
Oof, yeah, I discovered that abomination while I was researching this video. I caught the part about Snoopy's voice being approved by Sparky, but I didn't make the connection with Cam Clarke.
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FWIW Cam Clarke is a fine voice actor and it's not his fault StM was so bad. I think You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown is the far superior musical, and Robert Towers' Snoopy was much more natural-sounding.
I was just thinking about this very subject a few days ago. Now I forgot all about She's a Good Skate, but Bon Voyage Charlie Brown, What Have We Learned Charlie Brown, and the questionable history of Thanksgiving stood out to me as they did show and had adults taking.
I'm not necessarily against it, but the *execution* never worked for me - the character designs were too inconsistent. Background child characters still generally followed Sparky's style, but adult characters always looked like they came from some other cartoon entirely. Schulz could and did draw adults - he did a short-lived single-panel gag strip about sports, and he drew teenagers for another single-panel strip called "Young PIllars" that ran in a church magazine.
“None of the kids in school cared” was the moment I gave a 👍🏽 - I’m with you mate! I’m in the UK and I got that response all the time here 😂
Thank you! YOU get it! It's been the best feeling, finding out that there are people who share my obsessions.
@@cynicaladult same! I tell you what I only realised only a few years ago - in Bon Voyage Charlie Brown, Snoopy whistles a tune the first time he is on the way to the “cafe” - this is actually a piece of score music that keeps playing when he and Woodstock are up to their antics early on in the movie such as messing with golf clubs while packing and at the airport. Then the second time he is on his way to the cafe he’s whistling the tune to the song Rum and Coca Cola that he’d listened to on the Jukebox on his first visit. Now I know this may have been obvious to a lot of people… but it took me about 30 years to make these connections in my head 😂😂😂😂
I never accepted these as Snoopy "talking". I regarded it as a thought bubble.
It's totally that - I show the progression near the end of the video.
actually, a few times snoopy's dialogue was in a speech bubble rather than thought bubble. probably an oversite though.
Considering his lips don't move, and that they've shown other characters 'talking' without moving their lips in other specials, that's most likely what they intended.
If Snoopy actually had his lips moving, then I'd probably have some form of existential crisis. 🤣
@@MasterCrash123 I'll have to look it up, but I remember Charlie Brown commenting once on how Snoopy's lips moved when he reads. I know that's not what you meant though 😅
@@cynicaladult Was that in one of the strips? It could've been a line Schultz used to deliver the punchline and simply forgot about it in future strips/specials. Or it could just be another bit of characterization for Snoopy, like how some people read to themselves without actually speaking (myself included sometimes).
Either way, it's fun to discuss trivial details like this, even if it has little relevance in the lifetime of a comic strip like Peanuts :)
If you look hard into the past,Charles Schulz DID attempt to draw adults.He failed so miserably,that he decided not to dwell on them in the strip.(I agree...they looked AWKWARD!)Also was the odd fact that physically animating any of the characters removing a tiny polo shirt OVER an incredibly LARGE head looked VERY unnatural!Ha ha!(An example of this,is when Charlie Brown gets ready for bed,and has to take it off.FUNNY!)The Van Pelts moving out of Town(and returning)bit reminded me of when Fat Albert did the same to HIS Group,only to find out later,it was just a couple blocks away.(Did Peanuts RIP this off?)
Also...How come Spoopy can't physically speak,but Scooby Doo CAN doo?
And what would happen if Scooby-Doo did one of their crossovers with Peanuts?
Schulz did draw a single-panel sports-themed strip from 1957-59 called "It's Only A Game" that featured adults. And another one for the Church Of God called "Young Pillars" that featured teenagers. In both of those the characters are recognizably Schulz (unlike the animated appearances where I don't think he did the character designs), it's still just weird to see.
@@cynicaladult I was going to mention the "Young Pillars" strip. I have a book that is the collection of those cartoons. Most of those are single-panel. I can't find the book right now, so I can't confirm whether there were any adults, or if it were only teenagers.
My son is almost 22 His go to comfort food / TV show is family guy. He's been watching it his whole life whether in syndication is a little kid or on his iPod which at the time I downloaded seasons 6/7/8 But every night when he turns on the TV. He puts on family Guy and sometimes American Dad. I like Charlie Brown.. The one that stands out the most for me is Snoopy come home
Everybody's got their something 😅 I do love seeing what other generations respond to - Gen-Xers like me had Superfriends and Transformers, I know younger people who had the same relationship with Justice League Unlimited and Beast Wars. I was not prepared for how much Doc Ock's appearance in the latest Spider-Man movie meant to a certain age group!
Three years ago I was finally able to put up a 6 foot Peanuts Christmas tree and I love every inch of it. I have a small collection of Peanuts items and also the snow cone machine and many stuffed toys.
Disappointed that A Charlie Brown Christmas wasn’t on tv ( bought by Apple and can only stream it) fortunately I have the DVDS.
They are my comfort tv.🐶
One thing I've discovered is just how many Peanuts specials were made, and how few of them are easy to find anywhere. I've been having to track stuff down on *VHS*...
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The 1991 Peanuts special Snoopy’s Reunion also features adult characters that talk. Laurel Page is credited as the voice actor for Lila’s mom and Steve Stoliar is credited as the voice actor for the bus driver and the owner of the puppy farm.
I have a DVD of that one on the way - I'll be watching that for the followup to this!
I always get a kick out of pig pen. Everywhere he goes he's in the middle of a dust storm. Lucy is a total %$#@! I'd avoid her like the plague. Linus with his blanket & believing in the Great Pumpkin 🎃. He's different. Snoopy is sometimes smarter than everyone put together. And all I can say is Charlie Brown and I can totally relate. That's just my opinion. Have a great weekend everyone
Pig Pen seems to have a centered calmness that even Snoopy could learn to emulate!
I can easily relate to Charlie Brown. Getting picked on, made fun of, falling in love with a beautiful girl who you want more than anything but feel like you don't have a chance in hell with. When Charlie Brown said "i'd give anything if that little girl with the red hair would come over and sit with me" it hit like a ton of bricks. I know that feeling all too well and it hurts. So yeah, there are times when i feel like a real life version of Charlie Brown in a couple of ways.
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I really want to see “Happiness Is A Warm Blanket, Charlie Brown.” The fact that there is a movie centered around Linus defending his blanket from EVERYONE, is already a cool concept.
I really can't recommend that one highly enough! After the death of Bill Melendez, there was some trepidation about the future of Peanuts in animation. But that one was made with so much care and respect for the stories and characters. Stephen Pastis, who wrote the special, does the comic strip "Pearls Before Swine" and is a lifelong Peanuts fan; he even got to meet and get advice from Schulz when he was starting out!
@@cynicaladult Yeah, I saw bits of it, and I was amazed! The scene with Linus yelling at everyone was just phenomenal, and their deadpan silence just ties it all together.
I had a Peanuts (and Dale Earnhardt Sr.) themed wedding. On the top tier of the cake was Snoopy and Bell dressed as groom and bride. I took two Snoopy figurines added a top hat and a veil with flowers. On the bottom tier was a Dale Sr car. My cousin designed our invitations and surprisingly turned out well. After the service, we walked out to Lucy and Linus and it was played as our grand march. I had a beautiful and fun wedding! The only thing wrong was the groom. I had a great wedding though! 🙂
I was in two productions of 'You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown', in the same year basically.
My senior year of high school, I was in the chorus, but understudy for Schroeder, Charlie Brown, and Snoopy.
When the county summer stock theatre group did it the following year, I played Schroeder and was understudy for Charlie Brown again.
Good times.
Oh wow, that's a lot of Charlie Brown! When we did it in high school, we got asked to take it around to elementary schools in the area. For weeks we got recognized by kids around town 😄
Once I heard Snoopy's voice, I dropped my jaw for a good 2 minutes.
It's jarring if you're not prepared!
Bon Voyage was one of my favorites growing up; I can't believe it never dawned on me that it "broke the rules"! I have a theory about why they had the adults speak - simple plot necessity. There's a lot of exposition in Bon Voyage, and it would've been tricky to have it all delivered by kids. ;)
Great work - I'm a new subscriber...
(P.S. - My high school girlfriend was the Little Red-Haired Girl in You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. lol)
Another fan of redheads! You have good taste, my friend.
When I was 10 and saw "You're A Good Man. Charlie Brown" I thought Snoopy would start talking in all the rest of the cartoons for now on!
Ha! There was someone else in this thread who said that the animated Snoopy: The Musical was their first Peanuts cartoon, and they wondered why he didn't have a voice in any of the others!
When I was born in late November of '77, someone got me a plushie Snoopy, probably around 6-8in tall. I suffered a severe head injury at around 22mos of age, & had lost Snoopy right before. When my mom went to buy a new Snoopy, she found mine in the waaayyy back of our AMC Pacer. So when I woke up in the hospital, I received a wrapped present... It was my Snoopy! That guy traveled around the world with me; he disappeared when I was about eleven.
When we lived overseas, in Riyadh, we got this strange early 80s coffee mug, with a bootleg illustration of the Peanuts characters, and it reads in balloon letters, "Happiness is being one of the gang...
In Saudi Arabia!"
I still use it today 😆
What a fantastic story! Do you mind if I share that in the follow-up to this video? The best part of this video blowing up has been the stories of peoples' relationship with Peanuts and the characters.
very well researched. thats why i will always love youtube. because of gems like this
That means a lot - I really wanted to show my love for Sparky and Peanuts!
It’s 1AM in the morning and I’m watching Peanuts lore 🙃
That is the perfect endorsement 🤣
2:35 - remember Nobel Laureate Sheldon Cooper found a good use for one of these... "For science!"
Hah! I had to look that one up to refresh my memory. "Mango caterpillar."
Growing up on the Peanuts Gang, I never gave those three rules a second thought when they were broken. Great video. Hard to believe Mr. Schulz has been gone almost 23 years, as I type this.
Were you as shocked as I was when I heard? And the day before the final strip - it all just felt so...symbolic. Glad you enjoyed the video!
I know of a couple of other Peanuts cartoons I recall seeing in my actual childhood that state at least two of your cases.
In "You're in the Super Bowl Charlie Brown" An adult sports announcer can be heard every time it cuts to Snoopy and his bird friends playing football, as well as during the "punt and pass" contest. And I think there was one point where adult faces were also seen in the end.
Also, in "It's the Pied Piper Charlie Brown" LOTS of adults were seen and heard (That includes the legendary Frank Welker), though it's not through actual history like "This is America Charlie Brown", it's through a fairy tale. Would my second point also show proof that it's non-canon?
I only recently learned about the Pied Piper one; the few clips I saw looked more like someone had a generic cartoon about the Pied Piper and thought putting the Peanuts characters in it would help it sell.
I thought of another case that the other people in the comments haven't mentioned. It comes from the outside of the animated specials. What about all the adult interactions the Peanuts gang are still making in the Knotts Berry Farm shows? Even though the mascot children are just the same size as the adults, they definitely understand communication through the adults' words, and not through trombone noises.
So glad i came across this video and channel. Super cool topic with great execution and editing. This video seems to have blown up compared to your others! Time to dive in!
It means so much to hear so many people saying that - thank you, thank you, thank you! It's been wild watching this one spread - I hadn't intended on dropping it so close to Sparky's birthday but the timing couldn't have been better. Glad you enjoyed it, and I hope you like my other stuff!
oh man, I think I read my "she's a good skate, Charlie Brown" book about 4,000 times growing up.
Ooh, one of the ones where they'd use stills from the cartoon? I used to love those! I had the one for You're A Good Sport, with the motocross race...
I remembered when the special aired. I was a senior in high school and it made me angry. Not only did my friends and I often imitated the muted trombone, but it was like they thought kids had no imagination and had to have everything spelled out for them rather than imagine what was being said.
Yes! The whole point of Peanuts is we're seeing the kids' perspective, and keeping the adults separate and indistinct reinforced that. Kinda like how you didn't see anyone's parents in Fast Times At Ridgemont High.
something i want to add is that is that there was a mobile game call snoopy bubble pop or something like that and in the game there is this random female voice or a high pitched voice that guides you through the game but a lot of times when there is this voice woodstock is on screen the only problem i had though was that woodstock is a male so it is very hard to say that i am right about that being woodstock talking
also the reason why bon voyage charlie brown ( and don't come back ) had a lot of adults and adult interactions is because ( like you said ) the movie is based on Charles M Schultz's time in the war so it was made a little bit more realistic
edit : there are also 2 peanuts specials that take place in real life the first one is called the big stuffed dog a peanuts special which is about a big snoopy plush that owned by a dog but he loses it and the plush falls into many different hands before returning to the boy in this special there is no animation at all and the only thing that makes it a peanuts special is that there is a snoopy plush i mean if it was some random stuffed dog it wouldn't even be a peanuts special the second one is called it's the girl in the red truck Charlie Brown where the only thing that is animated is Snoopy's brother Spike and some random woman go on a road trip because i don't know
but there you go
I had had no idea about some of the weird places Peanuts video games went - check out this video: czcams.com/video/RPAKUx2dZ_0/video.html
I learned about The Girl In The Red Truck while I was working on this video - I'll be getting into that in the followup because it's weird as hell. Did you know that the girl in the special is Schulz's daughter Jill?
To be honest, Snoopy didn't really talk in You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown and Snoopy The Musical. We don't see his lips moving, but what we are hearing are his inner thoughts instead of seeing them in cartoon thought bubbles! 😊
Correct! It's still anomalous in that he doesn't usually have any kind of words in the cartoons.
My high school never did "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown", but if I ever become a father, I damned well will make sure they do if my kid ends up in drama
Love it! That's doing parenting right 😆
I had the NASA vhs when i was younger. I was baffled that adults were shown and heard. The same special showed Pigpen clean for a few frames. Very rare.
I just watched that one tonight! All of This Is America is stuffed with Frank Welker, but I loved his take on Walter Cronkite - and calling him "Jason Welker" was a nice shoutout!
I really like Cam Clarke's voice for Snoopy, fits him like a glove
If he *has* to have a voice, Clarke was a fine choice!
I did not mean to rhyme that...
@@cynicaladult yeah cam clarke's great
heehee
Joe cool : Woodstock do you like my sunglasses?
But that isn't Snoopy speaking or singing out loud , it's him THINKING inside his head .
Correct. That's more clear in the strip.
9:27 - If only CZcams existed back then. I would have loved to freeze frame the shot of parents as a kid. Or at least rewatch it cuz I remember being blown away when I saw that.
I would like to whole-heartedly thank you for doing this video. I have been a fan of "The Peanuts" for almost 40 years now and the things you shed light on were truly a treat. Much ❤ and appreciation.
Thank you so much! The best part of doing this has been getting to talk to other Peanuts fans.
@@richbowen5662 You're welcome. 😊
can we get some “patty pats played patty” merch pls
Hmm, if I started a Zazzle store...
11:53 - they should get Seth McFarland to voice Snoopy in future projects since the two characters do look a LOT alike!
Here's his audition tape! czcams.com/video/_2nirBCMhaY/video.html
Please no. Keep Peanuts free of allergens.
You should see some of the Peanuts jokes he did on Family Guy. Suffice to say they are not family friendly. They are very disturbing
@@nathanbarger3449 I can imagine. Weirdly, I feel like I outgrew Seth MacFarlane's shows years ago, but I still like *him* as a geeky, musical-theater-loving person.
@@cynicaladult yes I can still laugh at some of the milder humor. Such as a cat being busted by a cop over having catnip. But some things just go too far in the wrong direction or somethings such as rape child abuse/ molestation can never be funny no matter what.
I've been re-watching a lot of the specials lately and I still find it interesting that basically everyone except for Peppermint Patty and Marcie always call Charlie Brown by his full name, even his own sister. I don't know if that's kind of another "rule" with Peanuts, but the only instance I know of off the top of my head where someone calls him just "Charlie" is one line in A Charlie Brown Christmas when Lucy is talking to him right before they decide they need a Christmas tree.
There was also Peggy Jean, who he met at summer camp. He was so nervous he introduced himself as "Brownie Charles" and she thought it was cute so she always called him that.
I feel like Snoopy "speaking" was less about him speaking, and more the viewer hearing his inner voice, as his mouth doesn't move.
Thanks
Would have been fun to mention how the Peanuts special _It's Magic, Charlie Brown_ broke the "Charlie Brown cannot kick the football" status quo and allowed him to kick SEVERAL TIMES.
Oh, interesting! Is Lucy holding it when he does it? I'll have to go back and rewatch that one!
@@cynicaladult Yep. He becomes invisible in the latter half of the special and takes advantage of that to get back at Lucy. After bewildering her, he forces her to tee the ball before giving it one last kick. It's arguably the only special where the roles are reversed and Lucy gets a taste of her own medicine.
@@extrahistory8956 Okay, definitely gonna have to rewatch this one now. That shows a real difference in approach between the comics and cartoons - Schulz was adamant that Charlie Brown *never* kicks the football, never gets a valentine, never gets a real win. He's kinda like Bob Burger in that respect.
Why *didn't* they just re-use recorded trombone sounds? I can't see what the actual benefit of new trombone sounds would be once they had built up a decent collection of them.
Also, we hear Snoopy speaking, but don't *see* him speaking, so those are really just his thoughts spoken aloud.
I've seen some of those animated strips, and they're quite well done. All that you would expect them to be.
My dance? I'd be sitting next to Schroeder watching him play the song, not dancing.
Sometimes *not* dancing...IS your dance 😁 Someone else in this thread mentioned that the trombone sounds would actually correspond to what the adults were intended to be saying. There's also the fact that they were often making these on a tight schedule; having Dean Hubbard come and record could be done in one session, probably a very short one. To reuse the existing sounds, someone from the audio department would have had to take the time to dig through past recordings, find ones that fit, and cut them in, and frankly they were probably too busy!
10:38 Whenever Snoopy speaks but doesn't move his mouth reminds me of Garfield and Friends whenever Garfield speaks.
Heh, I get the impression a LOT about Garfield was influenced by Snoopy: his merchandisability, his sellability, his ability to sell merchandise...
It took me a long time to embrace the TV shows. I was a stickler for the comic strip, but nostalgia finally kicked in, so I can suspend my judgments about the animation's shortcomings. Good job on this video!
Glad you enjoyed it! The strip *is* Peanuts in its purest form, but the cartoons are still quite enjoyable. Even with all the signs of a rushed production schedule 😄
Very good analysis! I enjoyed watching this and you're fun to watch. You deserve way more subs, definitely count me as one! Also one thing I enjoyed about Peanuts Motion Comics is that they used Patty again
Very much appreciated! Both Peanuts Motion Comics and Happiness Is A Warm Blanket, Charlie Brown hit a certain early-60s sweet-spot. The strip had a lot more flights of fancy starting in the late 60s, but there's a sweet simplicity to those early years!
@@cynicaladult Definitely! I love post 60s peanuts, though I still like the characters Shermy and Patty as well as Frieda a lot. I found Shermy as one of Charlie Browns best friends nice and he had some great moments, and Patty and Frieda are among my favorite female characters! (No one beats Peppermint Patty for me though lol)
Charlie Brown's mother told him how many Gs were in goggles. That's the only other adult and only parent you "heard" in the strip.
My father was a bibliophile and often brought things home from his travels that just becoming popular, underground comics for example. We had one paperback in which Schultz imagined the characters as teenagers. He NEVER did that again.
Oh wow! Was that his strip Young Pillars, or something else?
And what other cool stuff did he bring home?
@@cynicaladult Much. First edition Catch 22, that my ex brother-in-law stole when said it was valuable. Some sibling owns Eros depicting a very black man embracing a alabaster women. He brought home the Peanuts Gang in early plastic. I came home from Kindergarten and told my mother i needed a gun. She sat me down for a talk about dealing with people. I meant it. My teachr said that boys should bring their favorite gun. I presumed she meant toy but i had none of those. My mother used me to make a point about stereotyping and gun violence. On Frifay I showed up with the Peanuts characterhidden in two A&P grocery bags. I forced my turn the very end and displayed them. My peer group loved them even if Mrs. Tull didn’t. I have all sorts of treasures like Angela Bannerman’s entire Ant & Bee books. First edition copy of racist Dr. Dolittle. Lil’ black Sambo etc. He was hanged in effigy when he sold our home to a mixed race couple. He led a short life and had a big impact. He was the Father of New Math. Max Beberman. Keep doingwhat you do. Check out Miss Peach. She’s hot!
Just got my Snoopy Phone cleaned up and put into my collection. :-)
The other reason having Snoopy "speak" is probably because voice-overs arguably don't count as speaking.
I wonder how many times Lucy has pulled the football away and how many times that damn tree has eaten Charlie Brown's kite?
I wouldn't be surprised if someone has already catalogued both of those!
Aha, once again the Peanuts Wiki comes to the rescue! I don't know if this list is comprehensive, but peanuts.fandom.com/wiki/Football_gag
Snoopy also talked as a toy, which was a talking snoopy that snag and told stories….. buy a tape which came book and you were occupied…. Great memories….
I discovered that in the process of making this! Thank the maker that never made it to market...
My dance? Snoopy dancing around the cello! Because... Why not?
Definitely a beagle with rhythm!
One thing I found out while making this video is that whenever Snoopy would have his own bit of business, like his dancing on Schroeder's piano, or acting out the manger animals, was the work of an animator named Bill Littlejohn. Basically they would leave a spot in the script for Snoopy shenanigans, and Littlejohn would go off on his own, and come back with a finished piece of animation. That's fantastic.
What I wanna know is how Lucy signed Charlie Brown up for summer camp. Isn't that normally the job of a legal guardian?
Even for the "our parents told us to not come home until the streetlights came on" generation, there seemed to be a distinct lack of parental supervision. See my point about some 8-year-olds and a beagle roaming Europe unsupervised.
@@cynicaladult That's precisely what made me think of it.
If you are to count the musical adaptations with snoopy singing inner dialogue as him “speaking”, then you would you count for example “Little Birdie” from the thanksgiving special?
The "Little Birdie" song does seem to be written from Snoopy's point of view, but I never got the impression he was "singing" it - we even get some of his vocalizations during the song, so it couldn't be considered diegetic. But TIL that Vince Guaraldi was the singer on that song!
@@cynicaladult I'm sure it's the same as "Joe Cool" heard in "You're not elected, Charlie Brown".
@@cynicaladult/ Vince Guaraldi was the instrumentalist on those songs, but was he really the vocalist too?
Maybe the vocals are of someone else?
@@chrismulwee4911 Everything I can find lists him as the uncredited vocalist. Though as a fan of his compositions, I might need to listen to some of his non-Peanuts work to see if he sings anywhere else.
“Are you insinuating that I’m the kind who makes mistakes?“ LMAO
Never change, Lucy 😅
I'm not surprised that Lucy would say that. In one Christmas show (Charlie Brown's Christmas Tales) she insisted that Linus tell Santa Claus in her letter that she had been perfect all year!
@@melissacooper8724 It all makes sense when you learn how much Schulz based Lucy on his first wife... 😮
Some these brought memories that I vaguely remember as a kid. Thanks for bringing up old memories
Glad you enjoyed it!
Not how I'd imagine Lucy and Linus' parents to look. And how hard would it have been to show them in silhouette to maintain the adult-free mystique?
Right? The problem wasn't the presence of adults, it was how they were shown. Why did we see the French teacher in BVCBADCB, but the Baron, who played a major part in the plot, was only ever in silhouette?
I would've imagined Mr. and Mrs. Van Pelt to look like adult versions of Lucy and Linus.
And where was Rerun in that film?
@@blinkereye123 Maybe Rerun wasn't born yet 🤔
@@melissacooper8724 Rerun was born in 1972, but his appearances were really spotty. Schulz himself admitted he ran out of ideas for Rerun - but he started showing up more often in the 90s, so maybe he found inspiration.
Somebody once told me that you only see the kids because there was a biological war that only left kids behind and if you hear adults it's because the kids are actually interacting with the ghosts of adults
If it's true its really messed up lol
Interesting interpretation, but considering we now have proof of the presence of adults, I think that theory is even less plausible than the "Ferris Bueller fight club" theory.
@@cynicaladult well if a multiverse explains half of the MCU plots, I guess Peanuts can exist in a multiverse too???
@@Merylstreep1949 Totally! The cartoons could definitely be considered a separate continuity from the strip. Now I want to see "You're A Multiversal Variant, Charlie Brown!"
@@cynicaladult "You're A Multiversal Variant, Charlie Brown!"
The entire planet Earth is not deserving of This Level of GENIUS.
My parents recorded the ice skating special on a VHS tape for me, and it always weirded me out when I suddenly heard adult voices.
I still have it somewhere, it also had Garfield goes to Hawaii and some other specials from 1987.
Oh, I love finding those, with the original 1980s commercials...
Snoopy also had a Teddy Ruxpin counterpart made by the same company (Worlds of Wonder), however that was not in animation. He talked in all the cassette tapes and also talked to some of the peanuts characters. Then the toy was discontinued.
I discovered that while I was researching this! A couple of people have also noted that the voice of Snoopy for the toy was Cam Clarke, the same one who did his voice in Snoopy The Musical.
Yea!