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The TIE s/a Bomber is one of the most useful ships in the Imperial military, alongside the TIE Fighter and TIE Interceptor, this trio would be crucial during the Galactic Civil War and beyond, spawning many TIE Fighter variants. See the complete breakdown of this Star Wars ship.
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You should cover the T-70 X-wing. Or maybe you could try covering the CAS-class assault carrier or the CSO-class super carrier from Halo.
Do they practise bird law?
What a bizarre sponsorship
@@lionguardant5468 never been injured in an accident?
@@ThommyofThenn well, no. but it's an odd firm to want to advertise on a star wars lore video
Also with how rarely seen T.I.E. Bombers, i am glad they were shown to be so destructive against mandalore but also poor mandalore
yeah you tend not to see many repeat visits of most craft because they need to sell new toys
Remember when they cancelled the clone wars episodes for when the clones would battle themselves, than Mando planet
The scariest thing about TIE Bomber is that it is responsible for glassing at least two planets (one in Legends and one in Canon). Those stubby, unassuming things can be used to perform Base Delta Zero missions.
I presume those missions were glassified..
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Yet Star Destroyer turbolasers got nerfed instead 😮 make it make sense
@@nomercyinc6783 and tanks can't float in the air. What's your point?
@@nomercyinc6783 maybe not. But those Fusion weapons did turn impact zones into a glass like substance. Plus "glassing" is a general term for a full scale bombardment of all population centers. Base Delta Zero more specifically refers to reducing the surface to slag.
I love the tie bomber one of my favorite tie fighter variants in star wars
Me too!
I feel like they were underutilized and underrated
The TIE Defender costs 300,000 credits and is ridiculously OP, now imagine if the Empire made TIE Fighters that cost over 500,000 credits
Would be redundant, the TIE Fighter is very good as is
@@angelic_disappointment7889obviously not since in every single dogfight it’s seen in it can only take one or two shots before being destroyed maybe if it had some lighter shielding the pilots could’ve outmaneuvered the rebel pilots but pappy palpie was being jewy about it
The TIE defender along with other TIE variants like the phantom, opperor and aggressor were very hard to produce ,the empire probably had millions of pilots and a million tie defenders would be the same cost as 30 million tie fighters and 2000 ISD-IIs thus making them useless for a expanding empire which needed to fill its lost ranks with fresh recruits. Thats why they were even more deadly in the hands of ace pilots like during the bacta war under the 181st squadron.
It was noted that a TIE Defender cost as much as five TIE Fighters but was also worth as much,considering that one TIE Defender was designed to be even more capable then a flight of four TIE Fighters,and a flight of four TIE Defenders was more likely to survive then five flights of four TIE Fighters.
Experience shows that more often then not,the Imperials would loose several flights worth of TIE Fighters every single time the Rebels showed up for a raid,replacing them was easy enough but mounting costs far exceeded the costs of having TIE Defenders instead,and with Imperial might,replacing TIE Defenders would've only been hampered by the requirement of having good enough pilots.
Of course,greedy local Imperial politcal staff at their respective posts didn't realise this,and the Rebels did manage to hamper production enough that they weren't produced as much as intended,but their design made them so good that an entire class,the Missle Boat,had to be made to counter them,and were still competitive even in 44 ABY.
No,they were not useless for expanding the Empire,which was already galaxy emcompassing in the first place,and actually needed them to ensure their hold on the galaxy.
We shall also never ever accept the bull crap that was their demise in Star Wars Rebels,like nearly all Disney canon.
@@NareshSinghOctagon I agree with your points on the cost of producing TIE defenders being less than replacing destroyed or lost TIE fighters and how the greed of local imperial moffs wanting the budget to go into thier pockets instead of strengthing thier local sector fleets hindered the overall ability of the TIE defender.Also a fun fact,Rogue squadron briefly flew TIE defenders when they allied with issard in 9 aby.
Now for the nerdy part.TIE fighters are known for thier simple design and the ability to mass produce them ,TIE defenders on the other hand need to have thier shield generators and hyperdrives manufactured in addition to the actual craft itself thus doubling the time it takes to produce a TIE fighter compared to a TIE defender.
The empire under the very dumb tarkin doctrine was very willing to absorb losses if it meant achieving the strategic objective and the lost pilots could be replaced with newer ones ,tieing the populace to the empire as thier very way of life so they are less likely to rebel.
I can also see TIE defenders giving imperial technicians the same headaches as the Y-wing and B-wing gave to the rebel techs,the addition of shielding and hyperdrives would be a nightmare to maintain specially considering the numbers game the empire plays so often.
The logistical side would be another nightmare as alot of the empire's shipyards and maintenance facilites are catered to take care of TIE fighters,bombers and interceptors and not TIE defenders,oppressors and aggresors .
Now keeping all these points in mind it would not be practical to replace tie fighters with tie defenders since the Empire is activily fighting a war with the Rebel alliance who by 4 aby had 1750 capital ships and several squadrons of superior star fighters on board said ships.If i were the empire I would have the TIE fighter as my main fighter and would reserve the better variants like the Phantom,oppressors ,Agressors and defenders to pilots who survive battles and get alot of kills.Give them a ton falk carrier and two lancers as escorts and the rebel alliance doesnt exist anymore.
At least those Tie bombers didn't use nuclear bombs on Mandalore. Bo-Katan did say there wasn't any radioactive radiation, the astromech Din Djarin had also showed it, and the fact that there was survivors and other living beings alive on the surface of Mandalore also shows that they didn't use nukes. I do know proton bombs are something in between a nuclear weapon and your average missiles and bombs, but i wouldn't be surprised if the Empire used the Star Wars equivilent of a Moab or Foab( mother of all bombs and father of all bombs)
Nice comment about the high amount of ECM in Star Wars, which is one of the reasons why capital ships seem to have a hard time shooting fighters it’s not because they’re targeting computers suck but because ECM is so prevalent and ubiquitous in combat.
That coupled with the amount of real world WW2 parallels in how ships designed in star wars function and perform. On screen we usually only see the turbo lasers firing on capital ships which are of course the equivalent of main guns on irl naval ships with heavy turbolasers being basically the heavy cruiser/battlecruiser/battleship guns of star wars and regular turbolasers being more like the main guns of destroyers and light cruisers means they are basically eyeballing their shots with no or limited tracking data the way those irl ww2 ships would have.
So yeah, you COULD hit a bomber or fighter with the laser equivalent of a 6in or larger naval gun (152mm for those who dont know naval gun sizes) but your gonna need to basically fill the "sky" with shots from multiple guns and have a combination of good aim and luck. With all that ECM its not til they are basically skimming the hull and in range of the smaller blaster and laser turrets they would have a hope of hitting one consistently. Its a good bit of world building to explain why we have this older style of combat filled with dogfights in star wars when even in irl most combat at sea or air is done beyond line of sight from miles away via missles.
Another Iconic piece! As a kid, I used to think the two pods where for a Pilot and Co-Pilot/Spotter; just made sense I guess
It's interesting how it's strengths, weaknesses, development and eventual obsolescence mirrored that of the Ju-87 Stuka.
As long as you're plugging games, the SW:Interworlds mod for X4 Foundations is a must play.
Back in the day in a roleplaying game modified by the rules of D&D i had a fallen Jedi Bounty hunter that flew in a triple pod Tied bomber …. The upper starboard pod was a cramped sleeping cabin with the lower pod holding shields, hyperdrive, and a docking station for an astromech to act as pilot droid
The Tie Punisher really sounds deadly.
It really is. In Legends I think it was specifically those kinds of bombers that were set to raze Felucia. The most comparable craft is the Missile Boat from the X-Wing/Tie Fighter games. The fact Missile Boat was hand designed by Thrawn to counter the Tie Defender should tell you just how scary a Tie Punisher/Interdictor is if it’s anywhere near comparable.
The Tie Bomber is one of my most favorite Tie variants ever! I really love this powerful and terrifying bomber.
I’ve always really liked the TIE bomber’s design. Kind of reminds me of Darth Vader’s TIE Advanced because of the wings.
The examples you use to measure these ships are gold, never stop! XD
Personally, I feel the TIE bomber is underrated.
Cool! Very good video, it's true that I missed the Unidentified TIE from the list or somewhere it can be found as a TIE Breacher, with which Boba Fett came after Galen Marek with a squad of them.
Make a video completely about Seinar Fleet Systems!
Always loved this sci-fi bomber. It was satisfying to shoot down in Rogue Squadron and it has a very distinct and instantly recognizable profile. It is what is says on the tin- a tie fighter with a bombing bay tacked on, how can you not love it?
Best thing about TIE anything is the engine sound.
One very common misconception is that tubular modules of the Bomber have the same diameter as a TIE fighters spherical body and that the Bomber is thus many times larger in volume. In reality the cylinders are much narrower being barely wider then the iconic window and end up each being about the same volume as the TIE giving the overall volume almost exactly twice that of the TIE fighter.
I have many fond memories of TIE Bombers in the X-Wing series (of games)...
As an A-Wing pilot.
Sit behind them, match speeds, pick off at leisure.
I remember from the old original TIE-fighter video game that the TIE-bomber would launch proton-torpedoes via its wings, while concussion missiles were launched from its pod. That always bothered me.
One of my favorite TIE variants.
Wow, I did not realize that thing was so maneuverable
Something about the TIE bomber has always appealed to me. I like its chunky, form follows function design.
Tie-bomber with 16 advanced concussion missiles, best ship in Tie-Fighter
I think U are from diffrent timeline, because U write TIE-Bomber, in this timeline is TIE Bomber. I'm from other timeline too.
These ships can take a pounding; but like all other bombers, the speed is one of its' weaknesses. Even the heavier variations of this bomber are just as destructive, if not worse
The solar wings always work as the landing gear when needed probably breaking a few solar panels but works only one is the interceptor that fall over maybe the defender
I think the TIE line's biggest strengths is speed and maneuverability. I feel the Bomber is a compromise and tries to do too much. If it's still very fragile, than it would make sense not to include chin mounted anti fighter weapons, life support and heavy Armour seeing as those features do not increase survival rates and equates to wasted resources. In my opinion, it would be better to either: A - make a dedicated strike bomber built for speed and evasion or B - build a superiority fighter with a heavy payload. The worst plan; is to split the difference because it no longer excels at either role.
Bad idea. It's a dedicated bomber and performs in that role. You guys severely need to understand every starfighter/aircraft is not supposed to be some unstoppable killing machine that can just annihilate anything. That would make zero sense in lore and it also just outright says "I'm not intelligent enough to craft a complex world so here's a ship that's literally unstoppable" ala X-Wings in modern canon. Dedicated roles exist for a reason.
The TIE bombers role is an ordinance truck, kinda like F15 eagles nowadays. Its not meant to dogfight or clear the skies by itself.
For ground support, the Bomber is used once air superiority is attained via TIE Interceptors or TIE/ln fighters.
For fleet engagements, it is meant to be escorted. This could be frigates like the carrack or tartan, corvettes like raiders or CR92As, or TIE/ln or TIE/in escorts forming a screen in front.
Because of the amount of customizable ordinance options, the bomber could perform as missle boat, taking on enemy gunships and starfighters. The bomber was also devastating to enemy capital ships.
Yes, more independent imperial "bombers" did arise as imperial resources became scarce. This includes the scimitar and the Starwing. Even gunships like the heavily protected Delta DX9 could perform as an assualt platform.
To conclude, the TIE bomber is still quite useful, and is certainly underrated.
@helghast1149 interesting, we seem to be in agreement, but your tone and opening sentences suggest you strongly disagree with my statement. Would you care to explain your thoughts?
Sure. I believe the standard TIE Bomber as a platform is actually an amazing craft. In addition to the speed and maneuverability you've mentioned; it is my belief that the modularity of the craft is what makes it such an effective and versatile bomber. In a standard configuration the TIE Bomber is best used for either bombing enemy capital ships or enemy ground installations. It can be outfitted with an array of ordinance that varies from proton bombs and ion bombs or proton torpedo's and shield-piercing torpedo's. However, it can also be outfitted with anti-starfighter measures such as a rotary cannon for tightly grouped fighter craft or even for ground assault strafe runs. Micro-missiles can also be equipped which are capable of swarming a single enemy or attacking multiple enemies at the same time. The tradeoff with the micro-missiles is that if used on multiple enemies depending on the craft it may not be enough to guarantee a kill albeit a mission-kill is just as good.
The platform also has several variants due to it's modularity so that it can perform other roles without sacrificing the integrity of the ship. It's important to note that the roles these variants perform are in a limited capacity and are niche in nature. There's the TIE Boarding Craft and TIE Command Shuttle, you can make an argument for the TIE Scout but it's chassis differes enough that I'll exempt it. @@anthonyklanke1397
One of the better variants. Not too big while dropping bombs and add missile capacity. I think I've seen that extra pod also as an ECM/jammer in one of the books. Good for sneaking up on that pesky rebel scum.
I enjoy the variant that had a deathstar like focused weapon.
Up to date metanerdz lore vid on the Tie bomber.
Built one of these out if legos for the micro series. It was cute and funny to show my friends
When it comes to resource allocation I am of the same mind as Grand Admiral Thrawn.
Instead of building two massive battle stations that were immediately obliterated with tens of millions of casualties, I would've spammed Tie fighters, interceptors, bombers and defenders, ISDs, Victories, Interdictors, Arquitens, etc.
The rebels would have an impossibly difficult time blowing up all these targets (as opposed to the two mostly stationary ones.)
The Empire would've lasted at least another half a century.
That wouldn't have made the slightest difference, no.
You'd think the bomber with all that extra bulk would have a shield
Exacly! Weird this is.
All light/medium bombers need three things to accomplish their mission: the best ECM possible, survivable structure, and adequate defensive armament.
I both love and hate this thing.
With how much firepower this thing has, It would be extremely useful in crowd control. It fits the Imperial doctrine so well, more firepower the better.
However, that would IF the Empire had control of the civilians in the first place. This thing is just a flying tinder box, ready to take even a blaster pistol to that opening to set it off. It may have triple the durability of a standard TIE but it wont matter if one shot to just one large side sets everything off.
Lul what?
Trivia: "The TIE Boarding Shuttle" came first (out-of-universe). Joe Johnston's original sketch for ANH was labeled as the TIE boarding craft. This is presumably why pre-ESB comics depict it in that role. The design was only later reused for the bombers in ESB.
They were equipped with Fusion Thermonuclear ordnance during the Great Purge, though, this was not standard issue. The far less powerful Proton Bombs were more well suited for precision strikes.
Usually proton bomns are considered to be a type of nuclear weapon.
@@emilsinclair4190 the blue low yield ordnance are the Proton Bombs.
@richardched6085 ... yeah. The fore of those blue bombs has variet quiete a bit over different instances. It's strongest depiction are basically op nukes while ist weakest is basically firecracker.
From a lore perspective proton bombs are a kind of nuclear bomb.
Big versions can even be used to glass a planet.
@@emilsinclair4190 they explicitly called them Fusion Bombs in Mando Season 3 though. If Proton Bombs were used, they would have said Proton Bomb.
@richardched6085 ah welcome to the world of fan interpretations and inconsistencies.
It is basically just an endless filed of could.
In legends proton bombs definitely could have the same yield.
And in canon it is unlikely that nukes were used do to no radiation.
Proton bombs also work by a nuclear process.
If you add a hyper drive & a shield, I wonder if it would make a good 'short range' cargo ship.
At that point, you almost have a Tie Advanced, and yeah, that would be an incredible single person cargo and transport vessel
Idk if you'd be able to carry enough to make it worth it
@@perrywaaz3660 10+ tons of cargo, low maintenance, giga tons of spare parts around, might be really cheap.
Absolutely not, it way to small to be used as a cargo ship, and that's with the space you save by not having either of those things
@@calebbarnhouse496 Why not,? a class 5 hyper drive would take less space then the pilot and you could use cargo pod shields modules, one fifth the cargo capacity (20 tons) of a yt-1300 at less then 1/4th it's size, so I say yes It can be.
Fantastic content mate👌🏽 your breakdown videos are the best!
ty mr MetaNerdz for the debriefing love to hear your thoughts about the TIE Mangler
I think the tie bombers were used at the battle of atollon destroying at least one of the rebel ships.
I remember someone (on CZcams) a few years back doing a rundown of all the bombers during SW:ANH era and they really ran down the TIE Bomber - while the others were lauded and all the time I'm thinking - The TIE Bomber is the only real bomber, the others are just souped up fighters with plot armer and way overpowered but are not real bombers - not how someone would define a military bomber.
To me the whole makeup of what constitutes a bomber and what doesn't - it seemed like they were penalizing the TIE for being an actual bomber in all the ways you count a vessel as one - while the others were given a pass.
The TIE Bomber is badarse.
More about ALL Bombers Please ! Really Good information and Good Video !
The Tie Bomber was a fantastic light bomber but that's it. It was never meant to fight against other fighters
Thank you so much for your videos bud!
The T.I.E bomber is actually pretty uncommon in Lego form for some reason, much like the interceptor it only has 2 proper models
My favorite TIE variant
I loved reading rogue squadron and seeing how easily x wings obliterated tie and bombers.
Rogue Squadron is only lauded so much because of nostalgia it was poorly written and does not hold well to modern standards. The whole TIE's being easily destroyed was always a movie flaw that was highly exaggerated by early Legends writers. Write Rogue Squadron again, but actually make them work for it and LOSE more than once.
The writing is good. However the lore and the scale of it are not in line with a more modern understanding of the lore.@helghast1149
I will compromise on that point and acknowledge that I appreciated the characterizations. @@emilsinclair4190
@@helghast1149 unfortunately I only read them in 2018 after finishing the Thrawn trilogy so no nostalgia for you to complain about sorry. I felt the x wing novels are fun and easy read that step away from the big names and did something different for a Star Wars novel especially in that time for the EU. so what if it cheesy action that took liberties with lore (it was the 90s lore was constantly changing depending on the author). You seem to have such a jaded attitude towards Star Wars that you feel the need to jump on a comment that was about good memories that this video brought up for me about a book set in a fictional universe and complain that it wasn’t lore accurate your the type of person that make fandoms toxic I hope you find something to enjoy that doesn’t involve complaining about what other people enjoy. Read and watch what you enjoy in a fandom forget the rest and let others do the same.
Mate we gatekeep communities to keep casuals like you out because you enable the watering down of lore. I'm not jaded towards the Star Wars I knew. I'm jaded towards what it's become and how carelessly new fans treat it's lore. You just read them in 2018 so don't speak on the EU in the nineties as if you were reading them then. Because when people say the EU jumped around it's because there's thirty years worth of stories there. Not because there was zero consistency across stories. Either way have your fun. @@andrewd5894
Woo! New Metanerdz time!
Right off the bat, F in the Chat for Mandalore.
Must scary on heated-active missions when you're one of the loading crew.
I love the measurement system
Good video bro
11:09 ironically, it's famous for the lack of Lego models. It has had two sets and they were 20 years appart
Ayyy shoutout Empire at War!!
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I do like how in Star Wars video games, the TIE Bombers are bulkier and take a few more hits to be destroyed than the standard TIE.
So did sienar also produce the rack systems for the fighters within the cap ships?
Tie interdictor engineers: Put 3 more missile pods on it
11:31 i think its a down scaled verison of the same reactor. Maybe not exactly the same but they use the same patent. Kinda like a bunch of different arms manufacturers in our own world produce AR15/M16 patent rifles.
Thanks
They should have gone with the Skipray! 😉
Wait a minute... TIE Punisher shouldnt be called TIE Interdictor?
Yes,it should.
As flawed TIE Fighters are there was a wasted opportunity to use them in conjunction with TIE Bombers in Starfighter combat
In modern warfare on Earth dogfights between aircraft are more rare than it was when they’re more common in WW2
Because modern aircraft usually finish fights with enemy factions by firing missiles from a distance
In Star Wars, dogfights were romanticzed based on WW2 dogfights as it’s more entertaining than a exchange of missiles from a distance
Still the Empire had an opportunity with the TIE Bomber to change the tide of dogfights with the Rebels
It’s possible for say TIE Fighters and Interceptors to go in the front and begin exchanging fire with the Rebels, while TIE Bombers stay at the rear
With their Arsenal they can switch between bombs and If equipped, Anti-Air missiles, they can become floating missile platforms attacking Rebel ships from a distance and assit the TIE Fighters, as well as using mines to defend themselves
They could also use surgical bombing like the Rebels do on the rare occasions they’re close to Rebel capital ships
The TIE Bomber was a craft of much potential that would have changed the tide of space combat if they were properly used
And the new Lego set is awesome 👍
I love the Tie bomber in bf2 classic
It takes damage while you get to the enemy hangar
The sound of it reminds me of the stuka
I always understand "MetalNerds"
"Lets get to the part you have all been waiting for"
HOW MANY DEWBACKS IT CAN HOLD?!
"The firepower"
Oh...right...that's why I am here...
The bomber because of its sound reminds me of the Junkers JU-87 Stuka
Edit: I corrected the name
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11:25 - Considering just how MANY different pieces of equipment that the real-life US military has called either M1, M3, or M4, despite them all being wildly different things, it wouldn't surprise me if they legitimately used the same name for different types of reactors. Just to give you a brief idea of how ridiculous it is in real life, for M1, you've got:
M1 Abrams (MBT), M1 Armored Car, M1 light, medium and heavy tractors, M1 bayonet, M1 Carbine, M1 chemical mine, M1 flamethrower, M1 hand grenade, M1 Garand, M1 mortar, M1 rocket launcher (the famous "Bazooka"), M1 Thompson SMG, M1 anti-tank mine, M1 underwater defense gun, and M1 helmet.
What about the tie terror?
TIE interdictor pls and thankyou
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I used to terrorize the space around Tatooine in SWG Jump to Lightspeed in my handcrafted TIE Bomber. With so many concussion missiles one or two of 'em are gonna hit lol.
I think the real lore here is how did you end up with a Morgan&Morgan sponsor??
So the TIE Bomber can become a Sleeper?
You clearly see the tarkin doctrine, its a cheap carpet Bomber not too useful in war but heck is it terrifing.
8:37 I think you meant to say 'quintuple pod' and not 'quadruple pod' being that 'quad' means four.
0:57 I'm sorry THE WHAT!? what is that thing how have I never heard of this before?
I have the blue Lego TIE Bomber.
Why use manned bombers that miss when you have self guided drones?🤷
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I got an 82 man killstreak on Battlefront 2 with this thing.
The high HP and missle jamming abilities made this thing near unkillable in the early days of the game
Too bad that the First Order TIE fighter wasn’t in Battlefront 2
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please do a video on subnautica lore
i dont think youll need morgan and morgan with that helmet on
To jeden z moich najulubieńszych maszyn bojowych jakie vidziałem, choć wolałbym mieć zamontowane tarcze i dwa działka sterowane przez pokładową A.I., jedno działko pod kadłubami, drugie nad kadłubami.
Chciałbym mieć TIE-Bombera w wersji kosmicznego kampera, oczyviście z zamontowanym hipernapędem, bym mógł sobie nim podróżować po wszechśviecie.
Hello
Of course it got a ps4 for engines
if everyone knows what it is and what it does its not capable of being a sleeper
The chili cheese bomber
> several Lego models
You just showed the only two ever made
I still don't understand the capabilities of proton bombs, proton torpedoes, concussion bombs and so forth
Do they have an equivalent of nuclear ordinance?
Almost every startship grade weapon in start wars is stronger than a nuke lol, Nukes are considered outdated and primative weapons by the old republic era much less the galactic civil war
sure your a little slower a little fatter but when you get there you make a big entrance
What bothers me is how people criticize the star fortress saying the bombs shouldn't behave in that way when it has the same artificial gravity the tie bomber uses to drop bombs on ships. Star wars fans can be so fickle.
I thought TIE bomber had energy bombs?