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- Many Muslims love to cite Mark 13:32 as proof that Jesus cannot be God. Here's why it doesn't work.
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This was excellent. Once upon a time, I grew up around many, many Muslims, dated a Muslim guy in high school, thought I wanted to be Muslim ("converted") and only by God's work did I realize in 3 years that I did NOT want to be Muslim and everything about it that's wrong (though it took me another 10 years to come to Christ). I wish I would've grew up with these resources. However, I'm stronger now and will give my children a strong foundation. Thank you for your work! Praise God!
Thank God you came to your senses 😳 Jesus Bless you.
@@XANDER_REED Yes, all the glory to be to God 🙏🏽
God Bless you! Look into the Beauty of the Orthodox Church
@@iwannabeacatechumen7584 if you have any books or youtubers you recommend drop it here :) thank you!
@@InHisImage999
the orthodox ethos
Orthodox Wisdom
Trisagion Films
The Church of the Eternal Logos
They're are so many.
I also recommend Post Apostalic Church for his teachings on the AnteNicene fathers and how in some videos he demonstrates the Chain of Succession from Jesus to John the Beloved to Polycarp to His disciples.
exMuslim from Germany. I migrated from Pakistan. Now I am blessed to be a Christian 🙌✝️
God has a great love for Muslims who hear His voice. Matthew 23v37 is equally true for all who change from man's political "religions" (a lie that blasphemes him, and keeps the children from hearing His voice).
@@con_boy Amen
wow brother, pakistan must have been hard to live in.
tell me more about your story, which muslim sect were you from?
kapenta? namibian? or muamba?
@@mohamedhabib6874 heard of barelvi?
@Min Suga funny, how you called them fake muslim when they convert to being a christian, does that even make you a real muslim? you hyporit.
@Red Ren Logic
If I contemplate on that Philippians passage for too long, it will put me on the floor. It is the eternal definition of graciousness. One of my most favorite passages in all of scripture. He did that for me. He saw me from the beginning and knew I would need what only He could provide. I'm not perfect by any stretch, but I am fully grateful for His grace. Jesus reigns!!
One of the best messages I heard told at my church was the revelation of Jesus not being a demigod, rather fully man and fully god. And what did this mean? It meant that Jesus chose to be not omniscient so that he could be led by the spirit in all ways. He chose to be fully man, with the spirit being in him at all times. He gave us the perfect example of what it meant to be 100% spirit lead as flesh. So in instances where he was drawn to someone (like on the road to Damascus where he found the woman at the well) that was all him being led by the spirit and following it. Completely changed how I saw Jesus, and made me love him even more. Because he had all the power to be omniscient, but instead chose to live as a man. And that's the same reason he could go through the crucifixion without saving himself. What an awesome God we serve!
You are one of my favorite brothers in Christ on this platform.
You are not trying to promote calvinism or prosperity or any number of other things. You just promote Jesus and what it means to love and trust and worship Him
Thank you for your ministry. May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you, may He turn His countenance toward you and bring you peace
“Calvinism” is part of the whole counsel of God and the doctrine of Christ.
@@proclamasalvacion God did not say that before you can accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior UNTIL you have been given faith TO believe (as per Calvin's lens). How do the demons believe? Do they also have faith?🤔
Amen! I agree
@@mrupholsteryman You've made a huge category error. A demon's "faith" is not true saving faith. Demons simply know the truth, they believe that God is one. That's what James was talking about.
@@proclamasalvacion I get that.... I also know the angels don't have any redemptive DNA in them and that the angels look into this...
My issue is that if one takes all of Scripture into account... it is God's desire that none perish and that all would repent and that God so loved the world...and that Jesus died for all sons to be forgiven as He took the weight of the world's sin upon His shoulders...
My point was to trust Jesus and not a belief system that is founded in any other name...
Why would God allow us to bear responsibility without giving us the ability to even rationalize what good and bad are UNLESS He sovereignly gives us the gift of faith first....means that all the folks on the wide path to destruction didn't really have ANY chance at all according to Calvin
..cuz they weren't "elect" and therefore God WOULD be showing favoritism....
Also important to remember, when the disciples ask again after his resurrection, he says "it is not for you to know". Not "I still don't know".
Reminds me of the question, “Can God make a rock so big that He can’t lift it?” The real question behind this is, “Can God place limits on Himself?” And we have that answer in Jesus. If God chooses to be surprised, He can be. I think He demonstrates this principle when He chooses to forget our sins- He doesn’t have a faulty memory, He just chooses to not remember.
“Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.”
Romans 1:22-23 ESV
@@cc3775 Paul (the author of the quote) professes the deity of Jesus, so I’m not sure what your point is by posting this verse out of context. Can you elaborate?
Not just that, but you also have to remember the Trinity. God is three in one: God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is inside of us but God the Father is in Heaven, as well as God the Son.
I’m told it’s a bad analogy but it’s kinda like water: you have the gas form (steam), the liquid form (water), and the solid form (ice). They are all the same thing just different in presentation. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one, but they are three separate presentations of God.
@@thebumblebeemovie3514 not just a bad analogy but a terrible one. There is no trinity, you cannot find the phrase “God the Son” in scripture. Jesus was a genuine human being anointed by God. Matthew 1 tells us the beginning of Jesus.
@@thebumblebeemovie3514 that’s true. Scripture teaches us that God is One but that He can also use the terms “Us,” and “Our.” John gives us good insights into how this can be when he describes Jesus as being there in the beginning as the Word. I have heard it described in this way: just as verbal communication requires a mouth, language and breath, so the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work together in harmony as One.
It’s a rudimentary comparison, much like the water analogy, but helps illustrate the point in that spoken word is one thing yet it requires these three components in order to be effective.
I appreciate the two-nature theory that you discuss here. I also like the Augustine / Aquinas variation, in which they say the word "know" is used like in the Old Testament, when God said of Abraham "now I know that you fear God." It wasn't that God was ignorant before that moment, but that it was made real IN the moment. More in line with revealing or experiencing, in time, rather than having an intellectual knowledge.
Thank you for your work, brother!
Augustine's answer is eisegesis at its finest. Jesus is not talking about his two natures in Mark 13:32. Jesus plainly said He, the Son (His person, nothing about his nature) does not know the day or hour, and only His Father knows this (again, His Father is a person of the Trinity). The problem is most modern Christians share Augustine's false 4th century definition of the Trinity.
Jesus is God ("Theos") by nature of Him being the Son of the One true God, NOT because He is the "same being" or possesses every personal attribute of His Father. Or else there would be two Fathers. The Bible, the Nicene Creed, and all ante-nicene Christians are clear: We believe in One God: the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6; Irenaeus, Proof of Apostolic Preaching pt. 6, The Nicene Creed), and He alone possesses total omniscience and aseity, for example.
Here is St. Irenaeus answering this same question completely different than you circa AD 180:
"But, beyond reason inflated [with your own wisdom], you presumptuously maintain that you are acquainted with the unspeakable mysteries of God; while even the Lord, the very Son of God, allowed that the Father alone knows the very day and hour of judgment, when He plainly declares, But of that day and that hour knows no man, neither the Son, but the Father only. If, then, the Son was not ashamed to ascribe the knowledge of that day to the Father only, but declared what was true regarding the matter, neither let us be ashamed to reserve for God those greater questions which may occur to us."
- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book II, Chapter 28 (circa AD 180)
@@IAmisMaster I've got to say, your response is rather aggressive, considering that RedPenLogic videos are about coming to deeper understanding of scripture, while being respectful of others' viewpoints.
Eisegesis is reading INTO the Bible what wasn't there in the first place. Augustine and Aquinas were both using the Bible to try to understand the Bible. They weren't putting outside information into it. They may not have gotten it perfectly right, but their ideas aren't completely without context.
At no time did I say that their approach was the only one though. I'm well aware of Irenaeus, Gregory Nanzianzen, Origen, Calvin, etc and their approaches. I've studied this quite a bit. I just didn't see it as necessary to lecture people, but simply wanted to make a quick note. I'm always up for a measuring contest but I don't see this as the appropriate venue for it.
@@IAmisMaster begone heretic. You're preaching a form of Arianism which has rightly been rejected by Nicea I and all subsequent coucils.
Jesus is God because He is consubstantial (that is of one substance with the Father.) As such, in His Divine Nature, He is co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, All Powerful and All Knowing. There is One God and Three equal Persons within the Godhead. Not one God and another god. The Persons are distinct. See the Athanasian Creed and be afraid, for unless you hold the entire Catholic faith (including Trinitarianism) you cannot be saved.
@@jasonrodgers880 so a friendlier response would be to warn you that, from experience, this kind of answer can complicate things more than help. Because you always run the chance that a smarter Muslim will try the angle of "actually your interpretation is wrong and this just proves that the Old Testament is corrupt as well as the New, because it says that God didn't know something." And you can give several meaningful responses to why it doesn't, and why he can't hold that position as a Muslim; but that's a whole can of worms that you didn't have to open.
@@NeededGR13F You raise a fair point. My response would be twofold:
1- In this case, the Muslim was arguing with a starting point of us being on one point of agreement - that God is not ignorant. So he would have to prove that the interpretation I cited is wrong. Because his interpretation of the NT passage as corrupt is shown erroneous by this interpretation. So for me to connect it to the OT validates the NT one rather than arguing against it.
2- No Scripture scholar (who is an adherent as a Muslim or Christian) argues that the OT passage suggests that God is ignorant or needing to be educated by man. As a matter of fact, even the Quran agrees that Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Ishmael led God to stay his hand. The point here is that God knew what was going to happen, but made this example to teach a lesson (both in the Quran and in the Bible). By this, both sets of Scripture agree that God is all-knowing and unchanging - that it is US that need to be open to understanding when we cannot follow God's logic.
This approach doesn't open a can of worms that wasn't already opened by the Islamic street preacher. I was simply showing it as full of worms and not tomato soup.
Once he brought up this verse I was fully satisfied by the defense 😊
Excellent Biblical response
“And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”
John 17:5 ESV
That makes Jeremiah (PBUH)...a "GOD" too
Jeremiah 1:5...Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
@@ZeroCelsius777 how so? Jeremiah was a prophet, he was sanctified. Not glorified like Jesus. And did Jeremiah exist with God before the world existed?... Moot comparison.
@@JeanV1986
Then there was the MAN called MELCHIZEDEK who was a Priest and contemporary of prophet Abraham (PBUH) to whom Abraham gave one tenth of his wealth.
Genesis 14:18...And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Hebrews 7:3...Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually
@ZeroCelsius777 Answer his question, and stop dodging, did jeremiah exist before the world began?
@@ZeroCelsius777 sanctified literally means “set apart” it has nothing to do with being God.
Amen! Great response and the verse you cited at the end was powerful. I never actually thought of that verse much until you expounded on it.
It’s simple. God can’t starve, be thirsty, feel pain or die. In order to do those things God humbled himself into a human form.
Very well said.
We as Christians need to be more knowledgable of our Bible... and most importantly not be afraid to defend our faith should the need arise.
How? he didn’t even answer the question. Saying that Jesus has a limited understanding is still insulting to God because in your saying God is a limited understanding at one point. Isn’t he supposed to be perfect?
@@thestruggleisallthatmatter8833 It's you are the one who isn't apprehending the answer. God is supposed to be perfect, but at the same time, God is perfectly sovereign over His own perfect attributes. This means that He could restrain His attributes from full manifestations according to His own will. This is affirmed when he said that Jesus did not lose His perfect knowledge, He just restrained it, particularly in the context of taking human nature. And this concept of God restraining Himself, especially in order to accommodate humans is not something entirely novel to the New Testament. YHWH was said to have walked in Eden, appeared in a temporal manifestation to Abraham before He rained fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah, appeared in a temporal manifestation again to Jacob and wrestled with him, took the manifestation form of a burning bush and appeared to Moses, etc. So the idea of God, restraining Himself by His will, taking forms of certain creation, and appeared to humans is perfectly consistent with Scripture, as He did NOT lose His perfect attributes, He simply restrained them from full manifestation
Thanks for this answer, I’ll have to remember this!
Additionally I pray the guy who was unable to answer is okay. It’s by God’s mercy that I’m able to have an answer if presented with this question now, instead of encountering the question before the answer. If I were that Christian I know I would’ve felt like I failed God by not being able to answer or something. I pray this didn’t cause him to question his faith, or feel ashamed, but instead drew him closer to God and have him desire to seek God’s word further, to be prepared for any manner of argument
Dude I love your responses! It definitely motivates me to dive deeper into the word and apologetics!
so basically he was using taqiya 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
which means jesus was using the sins of human which one of em is lying to explain his divinity to a layman
good sh*t holmz😂😂😂
but explain to me an all knowing that needs to learn
u actually made that argument of this muslim guy more srong by saying he needs to learn when he is in fact an all knowing god😂
@@hassanainhassanain-ck4ig The response to your points will be found in the video above, including your request for an explanation.
To use laugh emojis or rhetoric doesn't really help your views, nor does it convince Christians. It is only used to satisfy your mind, but it's not actually convincing to us, and that's the only thing that matters. It only gives the illusion that one is "making progress" in conversation when Christians aren't really concerned with your opinion, they're simply acknowledging that the challenge or question was answered in the video, regardless of how you personally feel about it.
You need more than just laugh emojis If you're wanting to convince Christians, and you'll need more than just saying "you made his point stronger" by arbitrarily rejecting the videos answer. That only convinces you, it does not convince Christians, and if you're not here to convince Christians, there's no point in commenting in the thread.
Thank you brother for bringing truth to us with patience and love. I pray for you and your family and your channel. We love you.
I was just about to put down Philipians 2:5- until you just outright said it🤣 This text is specifically useful for oneness theology as well. Unfortunately, in Islam, they have presuppositions that do not allow for a proper handling of the text, namely shirk. I'd ask a Muslim if Allah is made up of parts. They usually self-destruct upon pressing that Allah is said to have hands and feet etc.
And add to that that their god is one that can not even enter his own creation
Pointing out issues with Islam is not a defense of Christianity. Logically speaking, they could BOTH be wrong. Better to give a good answer, as is done in the video here. 👍
@Lance Gallup why should I just repeat what has already been said here in a positive case for Christianity? Does not a negative case explaining the shakey ground on which the Muslim stands not emphasize in contrast?
Most Muslims are so set in their ways that you need to start to show them that Islam is false, before showing them Christianity is true.
@@tripperdan period
In addition, another response I've heard (though not sure if someone has more details that might invalidate it):
-To 'know' something can, in some circumstances, be used 'judicially': as in, to 'decide' something. I don't think this is used much of the English word 'know' nowadays, though.
-For example, a judge may decide how much of a punishment to give to a thief: he, in this sense, 'knows' the thief's sentence.
While it is not the necessary reading, it may also be a potential meaning of the passage that Jesus indicated that the Father held the role of deciding that Day: akin to how Jesus also noted that the role of Judge was His (all judgment was given to the Son, from John 5:22).
Not 100% sure on this one, so take this interpretation with a grain of salt, but wanted to mention it just in case.
For more concrete things, though, Jesus claiming to be the Way, the Truth, and the Life, to be Alpha and Omega, to be the specific and specially prophesied Son of Man from Daniel 7 (in His response to the Sanhedrin in Mark 14): it's pretty darn clear Jesus claimed to be God.
Then, He rose from the dead, making it pretty darn clear He's God.
It's unwise to use (as the Muslim fellow in the video did) a passage we're not 100% sure how to understand to try to debunk abundantly clear passages. :)
Rather, the other way around is good: we should use what we can understand super clearly in order to interpret passages that are difficult to understand at first glance.
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Thanks for these!
Beautifully put brother, alhamduliJesus!! No one inspires concise logic like this pertaining to God’s word, but the Holy Spirit Himself working through you.
Alhamdulijesus brotheda 😂😂
Someone wants to be Muslim...
so basically he was using taqiya 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
which means jesus was using the sins of human which one of em is lying to explain his divinity to a layman
good sh*t holmz😂😂😂
but explain to me an all knowing that needs to learn
u actually made that argument of this muslim guy more srong by saying he needs to learn when he is in fact an all knowing god😂
You don't even know what you're saying akhi 😭
Instances like those are exactly why every Christian should learn apologetics and know how to defend their faith
Awesome answer , please keep these answered questions coming , God knows we need to be able to give an account of what we know is true , that’s our duty !
Aye its Uthman, He isnt honest at all. If he was he wouldnt be asking the same question, over, and over again. After it being answered, over, and over again. He is just using this Arguments to win Social Points
Or maybe he keeps asking the same questions, because these questions tend to reveal people's hearts. Why would he waste his time trying to convince someone who is 100% brainwashed?
@@Michael-Archonaeus no its definitely because of the former. Have you seen him in debates?
@@Michael-Archonaeus That's the thing, he is using the same Argument for Views. He has talked to Multiple Knowledged Christians, They have given him the answer to that, Yet he is still Using the same Argument over and over again. And using it on Christians who barely know what's he talking about.
@@Michael-Archonaeus lol, so then you would agree Christian Prince's ministry is perfect.
@@HerveyShmervy No, I haven't.
Another perspective (:
When God is said not to know something, either it is said in reference to what he does not approve, that is, of something he does not acknowledge in discipline or in doctrines, as when it is said, ‘I do not know you,’ or in reference to that which it is useless to know and from which he draws an advantage for those who do not know. It is well accepted, therefore, that when it is said that the Father alone knows, it was so stated because it is he that makes the Son know, and when it is said that the Son does not know, it is so stated because he makes men not to know, that is, he does not avail them of a knowledge which it is useless for them to have” (Eighty-Three Diverse Questions 60 [inter A.D. 389-396]).
Furthermore, the Greek verb used eidó may mean "to tell" or "to declare"
For example... "But about that day or hour no one DECLARES/TELLS, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Mark 13:32
Which would make this consistent with Jewish tradition for marriage where ONLY THE FATHER tells/declares the wedding date.
Jesus will return to take the bride (Church). And only the father will declare it. Sounds like Jewish tradition for marriage :)
This is beautiful Alhamdulillah! @Red Pen Logic
Best response to that claim. I thought along a similar track glad you found the words to explain it properly
Well done response, fellow brother in Christ. Praise God! Thank the Lord Jesus for saving us!
The veil example is ingenious. Great vid, as always, Mr. B!
If u thought for more than 2 seconds u will realise that example is stupid.
God has no reason to veil himself in human form or humiliate himself by wasting 30 human years doing nothing but learning how to be human when he already does.
Or when Jesus prays to God. God prays to himself? Pretty funny if u ask me
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The point
@@GranMaese Yeah avoid the argument when you have no answers.
@ More like "purposefully strawman the argument when you are an edgelord". I'm not interested in losing time playing chess with a pigeon. You are not here to build a conversation, but to childishly troll, and you know it. Once you mature and grow up from that juvenile fase we may talk.
So, good day, sir, and cya never. Feel free to reply whatever cringe from your repetoir of vulgarity your juvenile spirit demands you to, as if that would accomplish anything, or just an smiley or whatever, I will simple ignore while you stare at the void of your screen, alone like a fool. Cya!
A point so stupid that any Christan with basic knowledge can destroy your argument. He is the truth.
What a perfect response! Thank you brother.
I just found your channel today and i'm enjoying your content. I appreciate that you give quick sound logical responses and don't draw things out. I recommended your channel on facebook to my friends
Great response! David Wood clued me in to something interesting that's analogous to an aspect of Muslims' own doctrine. They believe that the Quran is the uncreated, eternal speech of Allah. This is interesting, because Allah is not meant to have "partners"- yet here's the Quran, an eternal, coexistent partner with Allah. On top of that, this speech (his "words") "takes on flesh" in the form of the printed Quran composed of paper, ink, and glue. This physical Quran can be destroyed ("killed"), but no Muslim would believe that this would mean that Allah's eternal speech had been destroyed. And as to whether one might view this physical Quran as "just a book," ask any Muslim how they would feel about it being burned!
Ah, I see you've met Uthman "Fibbin" Farooq!
I just finished "Seeking Alah, Finding jesus" by Nabeel Qureshi. This is I a wonderful biography that explains the debate Nabeel had with his Christian friend that answers this and other objections Muslims have concerning Christianity.
Did he pull the same stunt making up the foolish trinitarian doctrine taught by men? If so that is not revelation from God. Read the Bible sister and learn the pure word.
@@BruceThePugDog The Mohammedans proclaim that very same heresy.
@@MichaelWilliams-eq4kt So did Jesus and the Aposltes. They never read your NIV or ESV. They never preached your triune doctrines. Interesting.
@@BruceThePugDog They read my Septuagint though. If God were not eternally relational in His divine essence, what do you suppose His reason for creating relational humanity and desiring relationship with them would be? Why would God change from a non-relational Being to relational if He does not change?
@@BruceThePugDog I don't understand people's this king on this. The Buble is very clear about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as having separate rolls and entities by working as one in purpose.
You are the most amazing logical apologist on the internet brother ✝️❤️
I just love to read your responses. It's so good to see someone responding to some of the fallacies that are out there.
like the fallacies that guy making the video made... appealing to mystery is just a cheap shot and goes against God in the bible since He is not the source of confusion and trinity is just that...
There is an even better reason than this. The word used in the passage for “know” in the original text means “to make known,” meaning, Jesus absolutely could have known when the end will eventually happen, but as with Jewish custom, it is for the Father to announce..” It was not for Jesus to “make known,” but yes, good chance Jesus knew. Very good video on that here:
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Correct in all contexts!
It’s highly reasonable that Jesus does know but rightfully & in reference to Jewish wedding tradition means that He cannot tell us directly when that will be; so we must be ready regardless.
How the cuss did you post a link and it wasn't hidden? I'm glad the CZcams bots are more sophisticated than I originally thought.
Woah. I hadn’t thought of it that way.
The trinity is so patently false that it must be reinvented often to continue to deceive those who believe it and mislead others into accepting it.
Now you’re calling Jesus a liar all to maintain the actual lie of the trinity.
That’s pretty sad.
If Jesus knew the hour then his statement clearly expresses he didn’t know the hour. That would make him a liar.
He said, “concerning the hour…………
NO ONE KNOWS which he made sure to include himself.
But you make an accusation against Jesus suggesting he knew or “good chance” Jesus knew but he LIED about knowing since he didn’t think it appropriate to “make known” the hour.
He deferred to God to reveal the hour?
Is that what he said? No!
The Trinity forces you all to seek out Trinity teachers and watch as they corrupt scriptures to deceive the scripturally ignorant.
Not to mention, the idiotic example in which the guy claimed Adam KNOWING his wife Eve didn’t involve him coming to understand her intellectually suggest this man has never “known” someone carnally.
The Hebrew word “YADA” (STRONG’S H3045) indicates that there are various ways a person can come to KNOW something or someone. This was the first man and woman which at that time they apparently had not been intimate.
The first man Adam had to discover or know his wife, intellectually, emotionally, and physically.
Even now, if two people have never been intimate they discover or come to know each other the same way.
Who doesn’t KNOW when people have sex their mind/brain is also involved and stimulated?
Who doesn’t know during initial sexual encounters each person stores information about the other since it is the VERY FIRST TIME…
This is so extremely ignorant and to think people believe this is mind-boggling.
People who choose not to read and diligently study on their own but rather choose to OUTSOURCE that task to others are the easiest to deceive.
Dr Bill Warner teaches all about the political Islam and how to deal with it.
I’d like to add that within Jews tradition it was the father who announced the arrival of the bridegroom. So, Jesus fully obey the law submitted himself to the Father’s authority in announcing His (Jesus) return. Great video!
I agree with you about Jesus' humanity being a voluntary restriction of his divine attributes. However, there is also the idea that Jesus' bowed his heart to the Father's authority, and at the point where Jesus is speaking, He had not yet been given the authority that the Father handed over to him after the resurrection. I think it's safe to say that Jesus knows NOW when his second coming will be.
What about the Holy Spirit ? Why does only one person of the trinity(the father) know?
No, it isn't safe to say that. That's outright blasphemy. Only the Father knows when the Lord will return. Jesus was with the Father before He incarnated. There was no reason to wait until after Jesus was risen and ascended back up to Heaven to reveal the day and hour of His return.
@@gtg7913 Jesus had to accomplish the work first in His humanity. It's not blasphemous to suggest He knows now being one with the Father in heart and mind. He is the glorified Savior at the Father's right hand.
@@AB-ComeLordJesus He was one with the Father before He incarnated, and during His incarnation. Jesus never signified to us that He will know what day or hour that He will return to us, He knows only that it will happen. He didn’t tell us that once He finishes His earthly ministry, the Father will let Him in on that information. He told us that none, not even the Son nor the angels, know the day or hour of His return.
@@John-ke1tn A couple of reasons: 1) The father is the head of the Trinity. So, while equal to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit subjugate themselves to the Father. 2) After Christ ascended to heaven, Scripture teaches us that God (the Father) placed all authority in the Son's hands, not in the Spirit's. 3) The description of Christ's return reflects marriage in Jewish culture. After the son and his bride are betrothed, the husband-to-be and his father work together to build a home for the son with his bride. But until the father gives his permission to the son, the son remains under the authority of his father. It is ENTIRELY within the father's authority to choose when his son can go get his bride and move in with her in the place that the father and son had built together. Once the father gives that "send-off," the son marries and is no longer under his father's authority.
Just remember this when it comes to Jesus. God cannot die, man cannot save. Christ had to encompass both natures of God and man and unify them in one person
That's why the monophysites were allowed to drop out of communion with the mainstream Church. Jesus had to be both fully Man in will and nature AND fully God in divinity and power in order to effect our salvation. They said He had only one will, divine, and one nature, human, so the Church said that wouldn't work. Fortunately, the problem didn't make a lot of difference, and the Coptic Church survives to this day.
Unlike the Arians, who deny Christ's divinity and died out, or had to morph into Islam to keep people from abandoning falsehood.
Great explanation
There is also another great explanation in Christian circles for that passage
Where in Christ is actually referring to hebrew tradition.
Since part of Christ's return involves taking the church as his bride.
Usually it was left to the father to declare the time of the wedding
Even tho most of the community would know when it was near
Exactly, it is proven He knows the hour since He gives signs of it in Revelations.
The veil theory could be true during the incarnation, but I much prefer this explanation.
The film *"Before the Wrath"* illustrates that.
Amen, Amen! Having an increased understanding in cultural and historical background would bring great revelation to body of Messiah. Just understanding a Hebrew wedding would bring so much understanding.
I think there is the assumption that because Jesus didn't know AT THE TIME he still doesn't know.
After the Resurrection Jesus regained all his glory. Including omniscience.
One morning after prayer I dozed off for maybe 10min. I heard the Lord's voice say I'm coming before....I'm coming soon. I heard both statements crystal clear in my mind while dozed off, but as soon as I awoke I could not remember the rest of the first statement for the life of me. Nothing rings a bell or jogs my memory whatsoever. I believe He erased my memory about it for now. This was the first time I ever heard His voice. It was so wonderful no fear whatsoever. He felt like my best friend ever. After that day I came to conclusion without even reading scripture but I believe through the power of the Holy Spirit that Jesus didn't know day or hour because of His humanity at that time. Because He def does know now. And wow this vid explanation is just BEAUTIFUL. 🙌👏👑
He's coming before the nukes are launched. Because He said He wanted to arrive before all hope was lost. And if the world is to be destroyed by fire, it will be from God's judgment on the sin of Man.
But yeah, it's coming soon. Prepare ye the way of the Lord. Let us humble ourselves and pray for mercy. If we are left here to suffer during the wrath, content yourself to know that we share in Christ's sufferings for the salvation of souls.
This is such a great reminder thankyou so much
Oh, I'm gonna have a field day with this one. It's well known that Muslims, like uthman, Hamza, Ali dawa and the dawah team specifically target layman Christians who are either new to the faith and haven't learned to defend their faith or the lukewarm Christians who don't take their faith seriously enough to learn how to defend it. All this guy had to do was ask the question, okay, if knowing all things is a prerequisite to been God, then why did Allah not know what Christian's believe about the trinity and think the trinity involved God the Father, Jesus, and Mary, I mean its not like Allah think sperm comes from between the backbone and the ribs. Either way, it's well known that Jesus demonstrated the ability to know things that no mere man could know, aswell as the fact that Jesus didn't rebuke Peter when he said to Jesus that He knew all things. Muslims would do well to actually learn what Christian's believe about the incarnation instead of relying on Allah to get the facts right cause its clear he needs to up his game. To quote Elijah, maybe he should spend less time relieving himself. Anyway, a thorough reading of scripture is enough to show that Islam's version of Jesus is made up.
Biggest difference between Islam and Christianity is that the Islamic Jesus is made up by the greatest of deceivers Allah.
In the bible, Jesus gives eternal life, calls Himself the Good Shepherd of God's people, and claims to be equal with God (John 10: 27 - 33.)
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet.
In the bible, Jesus forgives sins and heals the sick, and also gives authority to others to do the same (Matthew 9: 1 - 8), says we are to honor Him as God (John: 5: 3), and we are to pray to God as Father (Matthew 6: 9)
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet and allah is the father or no one.
In the bible, Jesus says whatever God can do, He can do (John 5: 19), Jesus also says we are to pray to Him (John 14: 13)
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet.
In the bible, Jesus was in the beginning with the Father and is the Creator (John 1: 1 - 14, Colossians 1: 15 - 20
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet.
In the bible, Jesus says He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the title God uses of Himself (Revelation 1: 17 - 18; revelation 21: 6; reverlation 22: 13)
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet.
In the bible, Jesus is worshipped, and receives worship and doesn't rebuke people for doing so Matthew 2:11).
(Matthew 21:9; John 12:13)
(Matthew 14:33)
(Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10)
(Matthew 28:9).
(Matthew 28: 17)
(John 9: 38)
(John 20:28)
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet.
In the bible, God the Father identifies Jesus as God (Hebrews 1: 8)
In the quran, Jesus is just a prophet.
In the bible, Jesus is the truth ( John 14: 6) who predicted His own death and ressurection (Matthew 16:21-23, Mark 8:31-32, and Luke 9:21-22, in Matthew 17:22-23, Mark 9:30-32, and Luke 9:43-45.
In the quran, Allah isn't the truth, but is confirmed as the great deceiver who deceived the followers of Jesus that He was crucified, and now allah condemns the religion he himself created according to the quran.
carm.org/islam/allah-is-proven-to-be-a-deceiver/
What else would you expect from a god who thinks sperm comes from the backbone and the ribs...
You said, "it's well known that Jesus demonstrated the ability to know things that no mere man could know"
Could you give an example?
You also said that Islamic Jesus is made up by Allah. This presumes the existence of Allah. Did you misspeak? Or can you elaborate on this
@colehege9738 I just responded to you other post and just came across this because CZcams didn't notify me you commented. Its just after 4am so after I've had a good sleep, I'll get back to you on this.
@@Cole-Thinks-Things 1. Jesus predicted His death and resurrection multiple times.
The first time Jesus predicted His death is detailed in Matthew 16:21-23, Mark 8:31-32, and Luke 9:21-22. Jesus had just fed the multitudes, and He said that the “Son of Man must suffer many things” (Mark 8:31); be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes; be killed; and be raised again.
Jesus predicted His death a second time in Matthew 17:22-23, Mark 9:30-32, and Luke 9:43-45. This occurred shortly after the Transfiguration
Matthew 20:17-19, Mark 10:32-34, and Luke 18:31-34 describe the third time Jesus predicted His death. He spoke to His disciples as they were heading up toward Jerusalem for Passover, and He told them how He would be mocked, scourged, crucified, and then rise again.
2. Jesus knew about the woman at the wells infidelity John 4:4-42
3. When Jesus walked the earth, He knew people’s thoughts and answered before they even verbalized their questions (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Luke 9:47; 11:17). In this way, Jesus exhibited the divine trait of omniscience.
4. He predicted the destruction of the temple. Matthew 24:1-25:46
5. Jesus predicted Peter's denial in a rather scarily fashion even down to when he would deny Him. (John 13:36-38)
6. Jesus predicted Judas's betrayal.
After saying this, Jesus was deeply troubled. He declared, “I can guarantee this truth: One of you is going to betray me!” (John 13:21
“It is one of the Twelve,” he replied, “one who dips bread into the bowl with me.” (Mark 14:20 NIV)
Then Judas, His betrayer, replied, “Surely not I, Rabbi?” “You have said it,” He told him. (Matthew 26:25
Judas Iscariot was specified as the betrayer.
That's just a few, but the comment is getting long enough as it is and there is the second part of your question.
Given that I responded to your other question earlier about what I believe about allah, I'll just submit that response as satisfactory for this question. If you want it explained further feel free to ask.
@@trinity408 all of these examples are just what people claimed that Jesus said.
I thought you meant like, Jesus knew things that no one (at that time) knew.
@@Cole-Thinks-Things Claims are only as truthful or false as they people presenting the claims. Sadly that's how historical evidence works with antiquity. One thing I challenge atheists on this topic is skepticism, though in itself is not wrong, can be misplaced if they can't present sufficient evidence, whether physical, historical, or motivational against the ones making the claim. Regardless, the examples I presented were along the lines of what I had hinted at in my OP that Jesus knew things about events that would happen in the short future, and about people that no ordinary person would know. Statistically speaking, the chances of someone getting even a few of those things right is quite low.
Either way, I'm curious what you mean by, Jesus knowing things that no one at that time knew. Just cause it could mean a few things so I'd just like clarification.
"Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind" (Quran)
“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17:5).
am always thankful to watch any of your videos
Matthew 28:18 and Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in Earth.
I believe once he went to heaven and came back he was all knowing❤
And who gave Jesus this authority?
@@cc3775 Absolutely God the Father my brother , but from my understanding Jesus is saying he has ALL POWER. If you have all power doesn’t that make you equal with God? I personally believe Jesus (Yeshua) is God manifested in the flesh. 1st Timothy 3:16
@@Esico6 why not?? It literally says “God was manifest in the flesh” I guess we just have different opinions, all good brother. We will all find out one day
@@fadeking34 if The father gave something to jesus then Jesus didnt have it prior. God owns everything and clearly the father fits that narrative.
Jesus doesnt. He is always the short end of the stick and the fathers puppet.
Making him equal with God is disrespectful to the father
@ I see your concern, but please explain these verses my brother.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one
John 16:15 all things that the Father hath are mine...
Matthew 28:18 All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
1st John 5:7 for there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
There’s many more that will have believers believing that Christ is God in the flesh.
Every time iv seen a video of a Muslim trying to discredit Christianity it is always done with verses they they know nothing about or bothered to study. They do nothing but play fast and lose with the text. This is why as Christians we should know God's word not just to avoid falling for this traps but also be ready to defend it.
Exactly what I would say to that Muslim if he questioned me on that verse. Excellent break down.
It's the shakey sheikh who got theologically steamrolled separately by David Wood, Anthony Rogers and the Christian debaters down at Speakers Corner in London, England.
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All glory and love be to GOD THE FATHER THE SON THE HOLY SPIRIT THE HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen 💖✝✝✝...
Eph 1:3 - Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.
If Jesus is God, then God has a God and Father. That's two gods. How many more than one God are necessary for it to be idolatry?
I see someone answering that this has something to do with the traditions of ancient Jewish weddings, if we look at the cultural context, Jesus (the young groom) actually knew when the last hour (The day the young groom got his bride) was, but to honor the Father in heaven (father of the young groom) Jesus will say he doesn't know when the last hour will come...even though according to tradition the groom and the communities should know because the signs have been given to them! So basically Jesus knows but doesn't want to tell it to the deciples to honor the father!!! and everyone will also know when they are given the signs from God!!!
This answer is very accurate as soon as you read John 14!!!, there Jesus himself said that he prepared a house for us just as the young groom also added some additional to his father house so that he and the bride can live happily together there!!! And it also says in the bible that the new Jerusalem will come down as beautiful as the bride so it all makes more sense now!!!👍🏼
Thank you so much for sharing your explanations!!
Great video. I'm enjoying your perspective. I heard this before a lot. I would like to mention this. Perhaps it's because there is nothing new under the sun. So we live in a constant cycle where there will be a great reset. Like playing a video. Where you play through and try to beat it as fast as possible but the time u beat it is always different. None the less u beat it.
Excellently done
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Islam is about 600 years late to the party. Of course they claim that Jesus was never crucified, their warlord founder created an ideology that has duplicity of morality and totally lacks a "Golden Rule". Thanks for pointing out Paul's clear explanation of this attempted Islamic "gotcha" moment.
Paul wasnt a prophet and never met jesus but he wrote most of the bible. So why would u trust him?
Muhammad claimed to be a prophet
@ LOL, let's see, Hummm Paul met the Living Risen Lord face to face. Went on to do miracles, evangelize the know world, etc.
Muhammad? Prophet? Please tell me what this pedophile did besides lead wars, rape, murder and create the most effective killing machine in human history? I'm all ears.
@ Muhammad claimed a lot of things. Like reciting verses from satan and telling people to pray to 3 pagan goddesses. Why trust him?
@@joshd3502 because that story is fabricated and not authentic
I once heard from a Messianic Rabbi that when Jesus said this he was speaking in terms of the Jewish Marriage custom where it is not the son's choice to when he would go to get his bride but only the father. As the son would be preparing his home for his betrothed and when the father deemed the residence ready he would send the son, the son couldn't say "hey dad, house is ready, I'm going to get my bride" only the father had the right to deem everything ready, then send the son, so It is not Jesus' right to say when he is coming...that belongs to the father.
Very interesting and good points, may God bless!
Man just made my day 🙃
There is always an answer for Christ. Always
Don't tempt me haha!
I love this video! You gave explanation for a question I have had for a bit. If you have the time could you look over some of the videos of JeGaysus? I’ve seen him from time to time and I sometimes struggle with what he makes claims about. If you don’t have the time for this, do you know anyone who’s made good defenses against him?
Amazing word! God bless you
Stay away from islam.
Stay away from idolatry & fanaticism of men.
Follow Jesus, become a Christian.
Idolatry deacribes praying to humans too which you are.
Muslims dont
@ Christians don't pray to human..
Christians don't kiss religious things.. Muslims do..
See your kaab..
@@daddada2984 You Pray to Jesus who is human.
Christians kiss their own sculptures of jesus and pray to them. (and im not saying you are praying to sculptures themselves)
Muslims are clear what they believe. Its christians who change their mind who their 3 headed God is everytime questioned.
@ we pray to Jesus because He is God, God that become human but still God.
Truthfully, some so called Christians do kiss the sculptures, graven images, pictures of Jesus (but its not real Jesus) also mary & other dead human.
Best example of it are the catholics.. and its because of catholicism & not Christianity.
Nope, we understand the Godhead.. we dont change mind. You just dont understand.
A 1D person cant understand the 3D person.
Ibn footnote is at it again 🤣
back to deceive with a smirk.
servant of the antichrist
Haha Yeap! Godlogic did a great work on him!
Good questions make us Christians that much sharper and ready for the next question.
very nice response mate i appreciated what you said about it requiring forethought
Such is the problem of cherry-picking and taking things out of context. If the Muslim had not done so, he'd know he was making a mockery of his question. Thank you for giving us the correct answer, RPL!
No the mockery comes when the trinitarians ignore the word for the sake of their traditions. You guys spend more time explaining scripture away with your theories based on the imagination of Roman theologians in the 2nd and 3rd century.
@@BruceThePugDog Muslims always quote this verse knowing that in their own Quran only allah and Jesus know the day he will return so they go against their own Quran when they say this
U say we ignore the word no u do the bible clearly says Jesus is god we believe the word and u don’t their is only one god that is Jehovah the same god Jesus claimed to be
@@loyaltyoverlove9374 According the word that's foolishness. Jesus is the Son of God and that Muslim has eyes to see the clear distinction. You are learned in theories of men not the word of God. For there is One God, the Father of Jesus Christ. He is a man not his own Father. This man is the mediator between God and man.
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
Yes the "man" Christ Jesus. This is Biblical truth to say these words as they are written. The trinity teaching is written nowhere. Jesus being God is written nowhere. And woe to them who say "you must believe Jesus is God for salvation". Thats a lie straight up brother.
@@BruceThePugDog lol u are very foolish did u just said Jesus is god is no where in the bible ?
John 1:1 the same place u where quoting from says Jesus is god lol
Are u saying u no more than the disciples who where with Jesus ? So the disciples are lying saying Jesus is god ?
Jesus was prophesied to be god in the Old Testament
Isaiah 9:6,7
For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace
So everyone is wrong but u are right u know more than the students of the disciples who also declared that Jesus was god ? U know more than the early Christians who also declared Jesus was god ?
Then u go on and say trinity is no where in the bible lol trinity is in both the old and the New Testament mate
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age (Matthew 28:19-20
Jesus said to go and people in the name of the farther son and holy spirt this is a very clear mention of the trinity by Jesus own mouth mate
U quoted Timothy to support your claim but that same Timothy calls Jesus god
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
And then u said that u dint have to believe Jesus is god to go to heaven when Jesus said that himself 🤦🏾♂️
John8
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
25 “Who are you?” they asked.
“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied
Who was Jesus claiming to be ? Later on in the same chapter Jesus told us and these Jews understood this and stone him for blasphemy
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds
Clear as day Jesus declared to be I am the same god that appeared to Moses the Jews new the claim he was trying to make and stoned him for blasphemy
So yes u do have to believe Jesus is god in order to go to heaven
@@loyaltyoverlove9374 It says The Word is God. Not the Word is Jesus. Also you read a distorted version that is NOT the word of God. For it never says "He was with God in the beginning" It says "the same was with God in the beginning". The Word is the one God spoke when he created in the beginning in Genesis. The Word is not his Son.
I'm a Muslim and I respect your response and see how it would make sense to you from your perspective, not to mention that we don't know how God would think to act into the world so it is plausible in that sense ,I respect your calmness and respect and see that we can truely co-exist with understanding and respect to each others views because in the end ,the only way we would truly know what's the end all be all is time and the end alone.
Thank you very much and keep spreading the positivity and understanding.
Good comment. Can you recommend a Muslim youtube channel that does this but for Islam please?
I respect your right to believe what you want, but I don't respect your views. We're not here to spread positivity, we're here to spread the truth, and the truth is we have solid evidence that the Gospel, including the resurrection, is historical fact. Any other belief denies history.
We can still coexist as it were, but I'm not going to lie and pretend that Islam is equal to Christianity. It's nothing personal, I would love to have you as a brother in Christ, but your beliefs are irrational. Please turn to Jesus.
Gospel of John Chapter 1 illustrates the divinity of Jesus mathematically.
Jesus = Word
Word = God
Thus it follows.
Jesus = God
It's undeniable, you may not like it but you cannot claim to believe the Bible and not believe that Jesus is God
@@blacksheepwall79 The Bible doesn't consistently claim Jesus is God.
@@razorbeard6970 Nope, it's consistent. It's in every Gospel and in the book of revelation
Great answer to that fallacy. A new word in my vocabulary because of you. Ty
What are these rebuttal verses? Philippines...what? And that other one..on obedience unto death? Eh i can look them up later too.
Actually, the phrase "only the Father knows" was a saying in Jewish wedding culture. The son would get everything ready before the wedding. He would go to the father and show the prep. Then the father would set the time of the wedding. And it wasn't even that the son or others didn't know when the wedding would be, it was that the father's role was to set the time. In the same way as it is the role of God the Father to set the time of Jesus second coming. All this to say, if we understand the Jewish wedding culture and this "saying" at the time, Jesus actually meant it was the Father's role to set the time of the second coming, not that Jesus didn't actually know the time.
while I do agree with this explanation in regards to his human nature limiting his knowledge I still think it's somewhat inadequate, because doesn't Jesus say that neither Him, the Spirit, nor the angels in heaven know when the hour is coming but only the Father alone? Now this in no way discredits Jesus' claims to divinity, unless if the Muslim just isolates this passage alone to try and prove his point. But I do think that this adds a layer of mystery about the nature of the Trinity.
In that text, there is no where does it written that the Spirit (capital S, refering to the Holy Spirit) doesn't know. Just the Son that doesn't know, because the Son AT THAT TIME, was in a form of a mortal finite human being.
So, I assume, the Spirit *DOES* know when, because the Spirit, just like the Father, is God. And by now, the Son, must have also know the time (the book of Revelation tells us about this), because He has returned to His former glory that He already shared with the Father.
He got this ridiculous answer from Augustine in the 4th century. The problem is he shares Augustine's false 4th century definition of the Trinity, which no ante-nicene Christian believed for hundreds of years. Jesus is God ("Theos") by nature of Him being the Son of the One true God, NOT because He is the "same being" or possesses every personal attribute of His Father. Or else there would be two Fathers. The Bible, the Nicene Creed, and all ante-nicene Christians are clear: We believe in One God: the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6; Irenaeus, Proof of Apostolic Preaching pt. 6, The Nicene Creed), and He alone possesses total omniscience and aseity, for example.
If you want an academic definition of the Trinity that avoids this contradiction, listen to Beau Branson on monarchical trinitarianism, the true definition of the trinity. David Bercot of Scroll publishing does a simple video on it.
Here is St. Irenaeus answering this question completely opposite to this video circa AD 180:
"But, beyond reason inflated [with your own wisdom], you presumptuously maintain that you are acquainted with the unspeakable mysteries of God; while even the Lord, the very Son of God, allowed that the Father alone knows the very day and hour of judgment, when He plainly declares, But of that day and that hour knows no man, neither the Son, but the Father only. If, then, the Son was not ashamed to ascribe the knowledge of that day to the Father only, but declared what was true regarding the matter, neither let us be ashamed to reserve for God those greater questions which may occur to us."
- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book II, Chapter 28 (circa AD 180)
@@SerGio-mw9pc
You say:
"Just the Son that doesn't know, because the Son AT THAT TIME, was in a form of a mortal finite human being."
That answer only kicks the can down the road. If you believe it is absolutely essential to Christ's deity to be omniscient (which is false), then saying He was temporarily not omniscient means He temporarily ceased to be God. Just answer like true Christians believed for hundreds of years like Irenaeus: the Son doesn't know as much as His Father, and that's okay. Maybe Jesus knows the day and hour now, and maybe He doesn't. It is irrelevant to whether He is the divine Son of God. Christ also doesn't possess aseity, since the Son was born of His Father and lives because of the Father. He's still divine by nature.
@@IAmisMaster Just like it has been explained in the video, Christ during His time in our world, *VOLUNTARILY* "veil" Himself (Apostle Paul use the word "emptied", instead. Look at Phil 2:7). He never was ceased to be God as He occasionally displays His Divine power, the most prominent of those is when He rose people from the dead *TWICE* in just 1-2 yrs.
When Christ returns to His former glory, He does know when He will come. Revelation 22 explains it.
@@SerGio-mw9pc
"He never was ceased to be God as He occasionally displays His Divine power, the most prominent of those is when He rose people from the dead TWICE in just 1-2 yrs."
Completely irrelevant after you bought into the false premise that omniscience is necessary for godhood, and you are saying Jesus did not know something. The mechanism by which he ceased to know doesn't matter: that still would me He "voluntarily" ceased being fully God for thirty some years. Just believe what the ante-nicene Christians believed and the Bible teaches plainly and reject the premise that omniscience is necessary to be divine, since only the Father, the One God of the Bible, possesses every divine attribute of Himself.
Elisha also raised people from the dead, that doesn't make him God.
"This requires a thoughtful response."
sheikh uthman ibn fibbin: *has left the chat*
Great video!
Love this answer bro. God bless you, much love brother.
If it was God's will, I guess He could have allowed that the Son supernaturally understand language and have the vocal ability to speak as a newborn infant. But this was just one of the limitations He underwent in His incarnation as a man.
Tell that to the Muslims.
They claim in the Quran that the Jesus of the Quran spoke within hours of his birth to prevent his mother Mary from being condemned and stoned as an adultress.
If God couldn't speak as a kid cuz he really really limited himself to be a human
Then he wouldn't be able to turn to a God afterwards since a human cant.
So for that logic to work u have to say Jesus was still God so he was able to nake himself speak or make himself remember the hour. Since he didnt remember the hour and only God knows it then that knowledge is lost.
That is blasphemy son. Putting limitations on God is a huge sin
@@edwardcook2973 its more believable for God to supernaturally make Jesus speak according to his will than God becoming Jesus himself and not speaking lol
@ You lost me there mate. I'm not sure what you're trying to say exactly. I'm saying that Jesus was fully God and fully man, but that when He was incarnate in a human body, He limited Himself, experiencing the life and temptations of a human man.
I may not have expressed myself clearly. It was about 5 in the morning when I wrote that lol
@@chriper77 well God cant be limited so thats illogical
GOD cant be weak and strong at the same time. Either he is strong or weak
Ignorant or all knowing
Limited on a human body or unlimited in spirit.
Since God is all powerful on everything, him being human at the same time makes no sense
Jesus is God AMEN
No, YHWH is God, Jesus of Nazareth is a man (Gal.4:4; Heb.2:17) but the Messiah/Christ [the Son] is BOTH Divine Creator YHWH AND human creature, Jesus of Nazareth.
It is the Son (as the Messiah/Christ) Who is both God [YHWH] and man [Jesus of Nazareth] but Jesus of Nazareth is no more Divine (Jn.14:28) than YHWH is human (Num.23:19).
YHWH is our TRUE AND ONLY SAVIOUR (Isa.43:11; 42:8) and the only reason that the Messiah/Christ is our saviour is because He IS YHWH Himself, incarnate as a man (Jn.17:5; Acts.4:12)
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@@simonline1194 Jesus said "Before Abraham was.... I AM" Jesus is God. The Bible proves it. You are misrepresenting the OT, which is also about Jesus, to support your heresy. The Disciples worshiped Jesus. If Jesus wasn't God, he was allowing them to commit a mortal sin of the law of God... The first Commandment. Sorry. You lose. Thanks for playing though.
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One of the best explanation to this question. Thank you brother.. It was helpful.
Imo your better argument is separate persons same nature, rather than voluntary limited omniscience.
How does a person who is ignorant have the nature of someone who absolutely can't ever be ignorant?
Correct, that's how Irenaeus explained the verse in Against Heresies, Book II, Chapter 28, saying Jesus plainly admitted the Father alone knew the day or hour, and that's okay, because the Father is greater than Jesus in knowledge by virtue of Him being the Father, not because they have a different nature.
@@IAmisMaster If the Father is greater than Jesus in any way, then the Father and the Son are not co-equal.
@@Michael-Archonaeus
The Bible never says the Father and Son are co-equal. Jesus literally tells us the Father is greater than Him (John 14:28). If your idea of honoring Christ is ignoring what He says, you are mistaken.
The idea that Jesus is equal to the Father in every way was an invention of modalists, Gregory of Nazianzus and Augustine. No Ante-nicene Christian believed Jesus was equal to the Father in every way. They did believe they had the same equal nature, like a human son is equal in human nature to his father.
@@IAmisMaster "The idea that Jesus is equal to the Father in every way was an invention of modalists, Gregory of Nazianzus and Augustine. No Ante-nicene Christian believed Jesus was equal to the Father in every way."
I agree.
The dual nature of Christ was a Nicene invention. Almost no ante-nicene Christians believed in that.
I watched a video on what it's referring to in that chapter. It's actually referring to a custom wedding where the father of the husband would tell him when to get his wife.
It does not mean that God never knew but he was trying to explain it to people of that time because they would understand it
Just because jesus mentioned hour doesnt mean he was talking about weddings.
That wasn't the topic
Yes, what many people misunderstand is the idea of a Trinitarian God. Three distinct persons in one God. It’s a mind bender, but that’s usually because we are trying to understand something outside the laws of our universe. It’s like a 2D drawing trying to fathom the person who drew it.
love your response, thank you
Exactly. He came also to teach us how humans must follow Him.
And how is that? Because from looking at Christians, you eat eat slob, celebrate wicked holidays and do whatever you want, because as long as you believe in some "white" guy, then, you are saved. 🤡
The purposeful veiling of Jesus' abilities and control is pretty clear when Jesus himself prayed to God prior to his death asking if there was a way to go forward without his death, but if not let his father's will be done.
Do you hear yourself? If God veiled himself he still would have no reason to pray to anyone. So gg, you just proved jesus is not God.
InspiringPhilosophy had another perspective, wich is pretty interesting.
Jewish custom: if a marriage was about to happen in that time it took awhile to organize the wedding, like today. Everyone in the area knew the marriage date, you couldn't hide it, but if the bridegroom was asked he told something like "no one knows the hour". That way the father was honored because he was given the right to anmounce it officially.
In the end: all to honor the father and like this video explained. Self chosen restriction to honor GOD the father.
GOD bless
What makes me question this response is it makes a clear exception that only the father knows the hour. Unless the spirit is the father now you have to explain why the spirit isnt all knowledgeable as well
This answer will only satisfy those Christians dying of intellectual thirst and desperate for drop of reassurance.
You still have the giant gaping hole of the holy spirit not knowing either. Only the father means only the father, and since the Athenasian creed stipulates that the father is not the holy spirit and the holy spirit is not the father, this cannot be explained via incarnation doctrine as it has nothing to do with the holy spirit.
Only the father knows -> only the father is omniscient -> only the father is God.
John 17:3
A valiant effort, but no.
Jesus is not the Almighty. The Father is. Yet Jesus is God, according to God the Father Himself in Hebrews 1:8,9.
Hebrews 1:8-9
[8] "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
[9] "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Jesus can't be God unless He is the Father, scripture says there is only one God and He is the Father. If Jesus is not the Father, then He's a different God which leads to paganism.
Can't address Jesus as God, and deny He's the God of Israel, such view as said leads to paganism.
@@coxfordGamer The Bible says there are many Gods and many Lords. So he can be God. The Father is not the Son.
@@coxfordGamer If you deny Jesus as God then you don't really worship the Father who allowed people to worship Him. And you are being puffed up for the Father recognized the son as God but you don't. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.
Hebrews 1:6
"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."
@@coxfordGamer If you don't believe the new testament, come clean about it.
Great Job !
..Question: Why did you keep glancing off to your left? Lol
St. John chrysostom says of this verse “that it is not to be taken literally but as a figure of speech meaning Christ, though he revealed all the signs that will accompany his return, will not reveal the exact day to anyone, and that believers should not be so brazen as to inquire of him” - not sure if an exact quote, got it from the Orthodox study Bible.
In Christ!
Allah is greatest ❤
Its a galilean wedding. The son doesn't know when he's getting married they prepare the wedding and when the father (who chooses the hour) tells the son "go get your bride.
If we’re going to be out there in the streets defending the faith and spreading the gospel, we need to know GODS Word well so we can answer these questions that may be presented to challenge the divinity of YESHUA/Jesus. 💕
I do concur, but this point was essentially thrust on the guy and forced to come up with an answer on the spot "to maintain his credibility," so it's not necessarily a situation that should call for more learning (as this would require for one to be able to refute EVERY point, which takes time away from actually preaching). We should instead be based within the Holy Ghost and learn apologetics upon the side, for God will prepare us for the encounters we will face.
Yes do more of these videos
"the transfiguration" chapter really highlights his point here about Jesus taking on limitations
Where was that when you said paul described the incarnation in a letter to the philipians?
I can’t remember exactly where, it MIGHT have been Sean McDowell. But there’s allegedly an alternate translation to the passage. Instead of no man knows it could actually be no man can make known. The day or the hour. As in it wasn’t His job to reveal it to them
The very classic response to this objection. It definitely has a lot of merit, and I think it can be made even stronger, Mr. Barnett, when we consider Mr. Jones of InspiringPhilosophy's own argument about Jesus talking about this lack of knowledge in the context of an ancient Jewish wedding, where the groom, the son of the man building the house for the groom and his wife, was permitted to keep the day of the wedding a secret.
My bro red pen logic got that tywin lannister action going. Lets go and crush these arguments for the glory of God!!
Truly God, but also truly man. As a man, Jesus not only grew in stature but in knowledge as well.
God cant grow in anything because he is already maxed out from jump
@ agreed. That’s why I qualified as a man.
Another major problem with these arguments I hear again and again and again is they don’t ask… WHEN was this written? Was this written during the life of Christ, no because it contains Jesus’ death burial and resurrection. It was written during the time of Paul’s ministry by Mark in Rome according to our church tradition. It was written AFTER Paul’s letters, Paul’s letters demonstrate an already widespread church that believes that Jesus is God. So here’s the problem, why would Mark then go to this community, write that Jesus isn’t God and the community would preserve the text until today? It makes no sense, if I had come to this interpretation of the text I would assume I was interpreting it wrong.
Hebrews 1:8-12 is a great refutation to this Islamic script.