The FALL of Jon and Kate Plus 8 | (cheating, abuse, stealing, etc)
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- čas přidán 11. 12. 2022
- Jon and Kate Plus 8 was once TLC's hottest show. Once America's most loved and famous family turned into one of America's most infamous families. In this video, I will be breaking down the rise and fall of Jon and Kate Plus 8.
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There's a lot of things going on with the family, but for me, the saddest part is hearing how the kids that live with John don't get to see or talk to their other siblings. Having a bad relationship with a parent is one thing (coming from a person with a parent they don't talk to), but to have multiple siblings who you haven't seen in years, were raised with, and even share the same bday with? A whole other ballpark.
That's truly the saddest part these siblings don't see or talk to each other that just breaks my heart
The kids that live with Kate want nothing to do with John or the kids that live with John. John and the kids that live with him have reached out publicly & privately they’ve been told to please stop via the media.
Ikr?! And to think all those other siblings share the same birthday with you is just, a whole another level of heartbreak.
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It is sad when parents divorce and then it becomes a war of who is the better parent.
"Girls have feelings and emotions." Excuse me ma'am, your sons are humans not pet rocks; they have feelings and a therapist will now need to work on reminding them of that.
One thing I disagree is saying Jon needed to be tougher to stay in his marriage. It is not a victim's responsibility to prevent abusive behavior, and that sort of sentiment is why men are so easily trapped in abusive relationships.
Facts boys aren’t just emotional sponges
Totally agree. It is clear that Kate is a malignant narcissist and there is no winning with someone like that. They create the situation for you to snap and then use it against you if you do. Considering she is ignoring 2 of her children and keeping them away from their siblings says everything you need to know about that woman’s character. The best answer was for Jon to leave her.
I’m watching that part right now and I had to go to the comments!!!! Kate is terrible.
Thats Toxic masculinity, the idea that they cant have emotion and are told to be tougher. Unfortunately it will never go away if men dont also help abolish it
Thank you! That part rubbed me the wrong way, it felt very victim blame-y. Kind of had me heated when she said that because I know people in abusive relationships with narcissists and he showed all the signs of being traumatized.
Gender shouldn’t affect the way we sympathize with victims but sometimes it clearly does for some people.
There's an episode where they teach the kids about their Korean heritage and Kate says she always dreamed of having little "china doll" babies. She clearly went after John because he is Asian and was easy to control. She got her "china doll" babies (John is half KOREAN, but its all the same to her), and when one of them wasn't perfect she threw him away like trash.
That's the thing that people look at interracial relationships, people who are in them tend to not be in them for love but for superficial reasons.
That makes sense.
@@tobiaslawrence8928ummmm, no? People in interracial relationships aren’t usually in them for superficial reasons. Sure, dating or marrying a person of another race is SOMETIMES a weird power/fetishization/superficial thing, but also lots of people in interracial relationships definitely love each other and I definitely wouldn’t say most are just in it for superficial reasons. That’s a really weird thing to say.
I completely agree!
@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped I agree with your comment as well.
The constant belittling towards John is incredibly astounding.. I’m surprised he didn’t take off from Kate sooner. I could understand if he developed any mental health or insecurity issues
I don't even tolerate that ish from my mother! Have to be very selective about who you commit your life to cuz once you have kids, you're tied to that person FOREVER, married or not.
@@harrisindustries314 ain't that the truth! Some people are sneaky tho and they wait till when the time is right then there true colors comes out!! Kate looked crazy from the get go and I don't know how men deal with crazy mentality unstable women like this??? 😐
It's sad honestly, that woman treated him horribly 😢
People did not realize 10 or 20 years ago what this was and thought it was no big deal.
Society sometimes even supported and praised it. "A woman's place is in control" and "remember the wife is always right,"
Megan Trainor even has a song joking about it, "Dear Future Husband" people used to find it funny when a man was abused by a woman. As a woman I never felt ok with that.
When he says “All she does is make fun of my weight, so now I’m going to do something about it”… with such sadness was heartbreaking to me 😢 she sits there and continues to berate him…. Shes so verbally abusive.
“you’re my dad, my savior” Collin’s letter is heartbreaking. I hope he’s doing well now.
That interview with Kate and her two girls was honestly really sad. You can tell they don’t feel comfortable just regularly talking or expressing themselves.
It's not necessarily true. They express themselves a lot on the show and aren't afraid to talk back like regular teenagers did, which shows they were raised more freely until the sextuplets came out. I think Kate was just extra controlling in the interview and the girls were forced to go on. When they were younger in interviews, Mady would happily take spotlight and talk to hosts.
Just like their dad was during old interviews.
Kate is so heartless towards her children. She wanted money even at their expense! Evil
“The love of money is the root of all evil. Many people, who are eager for money, have wandered from the faith and have pierced themselves with many griefs.”- 1 Timothy 6:10
I remember watching this show back in the day. I was only a kid then. Now in my mid 20s, my perception of Kate and Jon has changed. Jon is clearly a victim of abuse. Kate's behavior would gnaw away at my brain and drive me to my absolute breaking point. Watching the show clips back, I can see why the Jon chose to leave. I feel bad for the kids, put in the middle of this. I hope they do a tell all one day
Same!! I remember thinking back then "wow, Jon never cared about his family. Look how easily he is enjoying the single life!" Now I'm an adult, who also co-parents. Seriously, what did any of us expect a 30 year old, freshly single, and FINALLY GETTING A DAMN BREAK, person to do??? Sit at home and cry???
Same here except as a kid I didn’t like Kate or felt she was always ruining fun for the kids for no reason or screaming at Jon. I didn’t like her but watched for the kids. Got older and now I feel bad for the kids.
@@Wishfull171 right!!
@@wshelby83 it’s sad, in the past I knew she was rough but just didn’t think, now older I just feel bad for the kiddos. They were so cute though, I hate what happened with Collin I thought he was the cutest little boy.
@@Wishfull171My question is why did Kate sign up to be a mother if she wasn’t going to show any unconditional love to her children?
That letter Collen wrote was so sad. I think that needed the money to give those kids a future but it was hard for them not to get caught into the fame.
So sad😭
i thought it was really weird that the Gosselin’s allowed the camera crew to take footage of the kids showering. poor babies weren’t even wearing swimsuits to cover up. there was even a close-up of the girls legs which was very disturbing to me😭 i can understand needing the money to support your kids; they were struggling. but you couldn’t pay me enough money to ever let grown adults film my kids showering and show that footage to millions of viewers. it’s very disturbing.
Kate seems like she was/is willing to do and justify just about anything for $$
@@crab2195 I've watched this show religiously and I don't remember watching them shower? What episode are you referring to?
@@jujubee6030 i don’t know the episode, but if you look up “jon and kate “ugly” moments” i think it was season 3 but it was in one of those compilations
Kate is an Ahole. That baby crying for his bear and saying bye buddy broke my heart.
It’s so sad how things went down hill. I pray the kids reconcile cause siblings are supposed to be your first friends.
So true
@@ToniBryanneTVplease make an update on the siblings, they’ve made much more videos and started doing lives
I don’t understand why anyone would have that many children just to abuse and mistreat them. And the fact that that mistreatment was broadcast on millions of American tv’s for years. Honestly horrific, I hope these children are able to adjust.
this feels like the beginning of what family vloggers are destined to be. Kate is a horrible mother for keeping her kids away from their dad and their other siblings. When families do that, they usually tell them false information about them so they can hate them and not want to see them. Stealing their money. Basically kicking your son out so he can go live in isolation. It’s so sad. I think John is trying to do his best that he can do and deal with the kids trauma
Having just one baby when you’re not ready or don’t want one is enough of a strain on a relationship. I couldn’t imagine going from 2 kids to 8 after not really wanting kids to begin with. The stress of parenting can bring out the worst in a person, and it’s even worse when both parents aren’t on the same page. Jon wasn’t ready to have so many kids, but I think he did his best to cope with the situation. I think it’s sad that women like Kate can be so petty as to keep a father away from his children because of personal feelings, especially when there are so many absent fathers in the world. The kids are older now but I don’t doubt that she told them not to contact him. I hate that Jon had to miss out in his kids’ childhood because of Kate’s immaturity and selfishness, but I hope he can reconcile with them and build a relationship in the future.
To isolate a child from their sibling in general is disgusting but multiples have such a strong strong bond and it breaks my heart as a mom of twins
not only was kate belittling him but to bodyshame him and then completely ignore him about it made him feel was so sick and felt like she was nearly gaslighting him
The way she always yells at him and says “SPEAK” like he’s a child…
At 14:00 when she's yelling in the driveway and all the kids stop moving and speaking...that one gave me chills of sadness. I've been among those kids, and to me that reaction reads "hold on kids, it's time for the adult to throw her 87th tantrum of the day. Could you quiet down so she can hear herself please??" These poor kids didn't choose to be in that house and it i's embarrassing to watch an adult dismiss the needs of her kids so she can scream "I'm a victim" to anyone who will listen 🫣
Wow I remember when I was younger I said to myself John looks so stressed but never really grasped why. But now I see why, It was Kate constantly bullying her husband.
The thought of pushing out one baby gives me chills. Six??? SIX????⚰️⚰️
She most likely had a c-section with that many kids. They tend to do that with multibles I think.
@@ainoilona5611 Yes, she had a scheduled c-section
@@ToniBryanneTV Yeah, That’s what I thought
Jodi was an angel...she was truly a great mother, aunt, sister in law, wife, and person....she was always so relaxed and sweet and understanding. It’s also strange how Kate’s brother Kevin turned out so normal and Kate turned out so weird.
I went to school with all of the kids and it’s crazy to hear about all of this stuff that went on. They were always very normal kids, I never watched the show. Maddy and Cara were the sweetest and coolest people. Crazy 😢
Oh that's interesting, we're you there when Collin was sent away? Did you notice when he left? That is if you were still at the same school as they were at the time.
@@christinesmith6424 no I never saw Collin. I’m closer in age to maddy and cara anyways so I never really interacted with the younger siblings besides on the bus.
@@happygolucky4429 Ahh I see, thanks for responding
There were no tears, not even one during Kate's reading of her vows, but she's wiping her nose like she is. Plus the dramatic excuse me, once again tear free! She's always been a manipulator
You have the voice, looks, essence of a news reporter in the kindest and best way possible
The way Kate's PR team turned her image around after Jon got caught "cheating" into this amazing we felt bad for her character while there was 💯% evidence of her truly being horrible mean person is still shocking and unbelievable.
Apparently Jon did not cheat. He was seeing someone when they were separated but on the show it was not know that they were already separated so everyone thought he was cheating.
@@sarafollows8589 I know that's why I put cheating in quotation marks.
@@kyliesmith7903 Oh sorry didn't catch that
Wow I didn’t watch the show, I used to watch the ratchet side of reality tv lmaooo but even I hated him, and didn’t even know why
"boys are just DIRTY". You are their mother??? Raise them right? Treat them the same as the girls? Have them help more? And Joel was a pretty clean kid....she'd even tease him for being 'girly' or 'sensitive'. And Alexis was a messy girl, who she'd tease for being a 'tomboy' cause she liked alligators and messy things.
Kate seemed like a whole other person before kids 😳 I swear I didn't recognise her.
I say that all the time! She seemed so sweet and stress free. You can tell that overtime she was drained raising so many children which is expected
@@ToniBryanneTV Hate to say this but I bet the family would still be together if they only had the twins.
she had control. if she wanted her house clean, she could easily do that considering it was just her and jon. once she started to lose that control is where things seemed to go downhill. i hate to say it but if you can’t handle spills and messes, maybe you shouldn’t have eight children. collin was only 3 and already having panic attacks over stains… that’s probably because he was terrified of his mom and knew it would set her off.
That’s why marriage is a risky business. People change 😬
I wonder if she's a case of severe post partum going undiagnosed and untreated.
Wow she has a Karen cut, go figure. I could never have that many kids John seems childish but he told you he didn't want anymore kids...she should've listened.
Only people I feel for are the children smh 🤦🏾♀️
I'm literally almost positive that's where the haircut originated from.
@@matisseedgaryoshihara5625 you’re right
She probably cut her hair like that to be able to focus on the kids. Many mom go bald or chop their hair to focus on their children as they don’t even have time to wash their hair
@@idongesitx1873 bro I’ve always wondered this 😭 thank you for answering this internal question I’ve been asking myself for years. I’ve always noticed new moms rocking bobs 😂
@@foreversimgirl828 yes the waterfalls in the front, the sharp knives in the back
I once read that they used to let the cast record every single thing the kids did including potty training, getting dressed and BATHS. that's just evil. Jon eventually wanted to break the contract but couldnt and the guy that did did the recordings was arrested registered as a pedophile with nasty azz videos on that camera. THIS SHOW WAS EVIL.
that woman is evil... i had no idea about any of this and i watched the show a lot when i was a kid.. insane
14:11 when he said “Teddy Bear’s my buddy” made me shed a few tears
Kate the original Karen
As someone who watched them since a child , I have always wanted a documentary or video like this ! When I was younger I never really thought anything about their family and even remember wanting to be apart of their family but as I got older and rewatched some clips I realized how toxic Kate was towards John
This is what happens when people try to materialize fantasies. Who thinks having this many kids in reality is a good idea!?
Well they had twins, and sextuplets I’m sure they didn’t expect either
U can’t blame them for having that amount of kids when they technically didn’t choose.
@@Fareeda212having ivf they warn you of multiple kids
"We've never been in a store and I shouted at him."
"JOHNNNNNNN!" 😭😂
From a family of six with a family dynamic almost identical, it is not uncommon for the mother to find a scapegoat that usually resembles the father to vent her abuse (physical or verbal). None of this surprises me.
John is the definition of don’t beg me for something you’ll regret it.. she begged for another baby that didn’t want most likely she guilt tripped him.. he was childish & probably emotionally distant.. Now Kates mouth is something serious I think there’s some truth to what he said about Kate
I never knew Jon had a girlfriend when he met Kate, I’d like to hear her side on that. I know Jon probably has no regrets because he loves his kids and seems happy with his gf now, but I wonder if he ever kicked himself for dropping his ex for Kate and how his life would have been.
I’m sure he kicks himself DAILY
@@RevertedRashidah I feel that he probably does too.
I bet he regrets getting with Kate
If he dropped her in a day the relationship was probably already ending anyway
I think this story
starts when they met. Kate meets Jon. Kate sees that Jon is with another woman.
Then Kate made it her goal to meet him that night. I think her actual goal was to steal Jon away from that woman. I think Kate just showed him a version of herself. By the time they were years into a marriage, it was too late and her real behavior and intentions were shown.
Fyi...the baby that was crying for his bear and she was so mean saying she was throwing it out was Colin.....also interesting is that she always claimed Hannah was her mini me and her favorite and Hannah chose to live with John.
He was also the one who gave her a figurine of a mama bear and baby bear. He told her "It's you and me" to which she said "Where is everybody else?"
Is Cara the same one that was consoling Collin when Kate threw away his bear?
Also… what an evil person to throw away a child’s teddy bear for getting it messy.
That was Mady and yeah that was wrong of her especially over gum like who cares? A kid will play with it regardless if gum is on it or not lol
I am an identical twin. My sister was my best friend if you see her you seem me. Twins triplets and so on have a different type of bond that can’t be explained. We aren’t close as we were. I’m 46 and I have severe depression PTSD ADHD. We feel each other’s pain and when she sick I can feel it. When she was in labor with my nephew my back hurt so bad I could barely walk. Now our energy clashes and it’s sad. She is an accountant and I can barely leave my house. I really miss our relationship. It hurts so bad. I have a brother and we aren’t close but I wish he lived closer. It feels like a fractured family. I can relate and it sucks.
Kate definitely seems to have a pattern: pick one person in a unit to isolate and abuse the most as an example for everyone else.
At first it was John. Clearly she was an ass to everyone in the family, but John seemed to take the most heat BY FAR. She isolated him, targeted him, and made him feel weak and worthless.
Then when he couldn’t take it anymore and left, she did the exact same thing in the exact same way to the person she deemed most vulnerable: her child with a mental disability.
Now that kid is gone and she still is isolating her remaining children from the rest of the family.
It breaks my heart that the siblings don't have a relationship 💔 how can Kate sleep at night knowing that shit??
I didn’t realize how toxic the show was because I was just a kid when watching it.
Imagine what goes on inside homes all across America...where there aren't cameras 😳
I wonder what the kitty thinks lol! “Why..why is the human talking to no one..?” 😂 cute cat and great video/commentary as always. Thanks ♥️.
Kate always gave evil
and abusive and John have real detached. I was old enough to recognize not so great parents when this was on TV.
Yikes. The way they looked at first compared to how they looked during some of those interviews. And the way she looked at him, like he was worthless
I think Kate didn't come to court because her attorney advised her it would be best to keep all of Jon and Collin's claims from being heard by a judge.
Rise and fall series on your channel are the best!
32:40 I Believe there's a chance that Colin separate PTSD and it had a breakdown and his father was trying to restrain him from hurting himself. That's a possibility being institutionalized twice that has to take some type of psychological toll so I don't think there was any abuse
Collin was institutionalized twice before Jon rescued him.
The scene where Kate tosses toddler Colin's teddy bear is heartbreaking. Clearly both parents have issues, but the way the children have publicly slighted their mom says so much about what they received through her parenting style.
girl can i just say im so happy you made a video on this show i remember watching this show as a kid and it vanishing into thin air and i never really knew why
That sucks but i hope he learned that the grass isn't greener on the other side. Also it seemed like it wasn't only the stress of the show but also having all of those kids at once. That's a lot of stress.
The kitty is so cute 😭
Just taking over my video 🙄😂
I understand Kate feeling overwhelmed, but her behavior towards Jon is despicable. And she acts that way in front of the cameras and in front of their children. And his life has been destroyed while she continues to push herself in front of the camera to try to make us believe she is a better person than she is.
I can only imagine how much trauma Collin is dealing with. They all must have some, but to be the one who is beaten up on verbally, mentally, emotionally, etc. It is no wonder that he acts out or has a tough time now. I wish all the kids the best. They deserve to be truly happy and free.
It seems like the stress of having that many kids got to her and she took it out on Jon. Like he was her figurative punching bag and I feel bad for him.
Kate is a narcissist and Jon was her best supply. She controlled him from the moment she chose him as her victim.
It’s crazy that the hurt she’s faced from men have heavily impacted the men she gave birth too. Yep this Kate is definitely a misandrist and it’s sad that this doesn’t get talked about . I used to be like this but she is the product of her environment men . Men and woman are human. Too
thank god i got you to distract myself at work 😭😭😭❤️❤️💯💯
Girl same!
Lol same on my lunch break
Omg wait I love this 😭
@@ToniBryanneTV i always binge ur videos 😂😭
Ok so it’s not just me that is legit watching this at work literally saved me from boredom lol
There’s a TikTok of a guy talking about what happened when he was in that institution because he was there with him.
I think when John and Colleen say they have some issues, it's probably a lot less than what it was like with Kate. Colleen has things he's working through because of how his own mother treated him. I'm happy that John is being supportive, and we can see how much both kids have grown and flourished since being in his care.
It's heartbreaking that the other kids are being separated from them, but as they get older and are exposed to more people, i.e., the twins now being out from Kate's control, they can start having those "awakening" moments and hopefully start reaching out on their own without Kate being involved.
I hope they do. They need each other
side note: please tell your cat I said hi
Wow…this was so thorough! It really is sad how media operates without the thought about how families are impacted by reality TV. The family did seem quite loving and some how fame and money was then ultimate demise of their union.
Watching how Kate spoke to John makes me sick. I used to think he was the villain but I see Kate was the problem now🚮💔
I hope this doesn’t come as a surprise. She was obviously abusive on the show. As a kid I was afraid of her.
I was so distracted by the cuteness of your little white cat omg 😍
She talked to him like one of the kids
You have such a news reporter voice I love it!☺️
Kate was the original Karen, she even has the Karen hairstyle
I seen a TikTok about them earlier and decided to do a CZcams search to see who they were. You are mad informative ! This is the exact video I needed to catch up lol you earned a new subscriber sis !
I love the kitty not caring about the camera.
I always wondered what happened to them 😮
Oh, is she where the idea of the Karen haircut came from?
Yup! So many women got the same cut as her because it was trendy at the time. The chunky highlight, the spiky back with the front bang swoop.
I haven't watched the video yet but I know it's gonna be good ....oooh it's a long one too?? I'ma save this for after work 😊
Subscribed. Your cat begging for your attention is what won me over. That and I was also glued to the TV during that time when I was able to be. One of many things that looking back now is major wtfery.
This is exactly how my ex was.. minus the kids. I was literally John. She always made me feel so small and would emasculate me constantly. It got to the point where I really did think that I had a serious problem and that she was right about everything she said instead of realizing that this is just a very verbally abusive and physically abusive person that I need to get away from, lol.
I’m sorry that happened to you 😢 I’m glad you got away from her
They call 'em narcissists sometimes
Off topic your kitten is so adorable 😂❤
Well done Toni. You've earned a new subscriber.
I love your robe! It’s so fluffy!! Can’t wait to watch the video!
Literally my favorite robe, I’m obsessed 😭 thank you!!
It’s definitely gross and devastating how she did Colin.
I lost respect for Kate very early in the show due to how she treated Jon. I thought it was aweful to have a program on at that time that showed such treatment of your spouse. While it was interesting to follow the babies, I lost interest in the show due to Kates’ behavior.
I’ve been subscribed for a while I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!
I’m with you; I loved the show but now looking back she really was a mean and emasculating person. I can’t help but think “Karen” in my head. Before I go too far in my head I am trying to give her some grace as she was raising 8 children.
I don’t think this is the last time we will hear about them as the six that remained with Kate may have more to tell.
waiitttt little me loved their show i’m so ready to hear what went on😳😳
Such an entertaining video to watch, it got me through my workout! You’re so beautiful and your makeup is gorgeous! Seeing how defined ur jaw is kept me motivated to keep working out! 💗💗💗💗💗
I really love your videos so much! Thank you for these❤️
I love the look with the pink robe it’s giving classy
Wait, so 8 kids but you only have to memorize 2 birthdays. Nice 😆
ugh i love meeeee a toni video 🥰
As someone that lives in Reading PA.
Thank you for pronouncing Wyomissing correctly
Fun fact : Taylor Swift is also from Wyomissing and Driya of basketball wives is from Reading
I would to rewatch the series now that I've had more life experiences n view things differently
Same, but I have no idea where to rewatch
You are very informative and I never realized what happened to Collin. I'm sick about and Kate should be ashamed of herself
I feel bad for all their children there going to grow up with mental issues and probably emotional problems aswell they’ve been through a lot in their life so I wouldn’t be surprised if all the children barley contact Kate in the future when they all move out and start their own family’s
Toni!!! Where did you find those three metal outline pictures of women behind you!? I’m in love!! Lol. Keep up the good work and continue living your best life!! ❤
you are gonna get 100k!
My fun fact is that John is/was married to my psychiatrist 💀
When one has a gender bias, should skip out on parenthood. Let alone other personal issues.