Since Jesus was born of "the substance" of the Virgin Mary, how was He without original sin?
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- Since Jesus received His human nature or “substance” from His mother, who was a sinner, how could Christ have been born without original sin? From one of our Ask R.C. events, R.C. Sproul considers the mystery of the incarnation.
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Sometimes one needs to accept it is a mystery of God. Merry Christmas.
No verse in the scriptures states to celebrate the birth of Yeshua and Xmas stems from roman traditions Colossians 2:8
was thinking along the same lines
God IS NOT the author of confusion... There are no mysteries just our lack of perception...
@Desire Of All Nations you may want to read Romans 5:12 or 5:12-21. It disagrees with your viewpoint. Please be careful with how you present the word of God.
@Desire Of All Nations beautifully put... Thank you...!!!
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Wow....i need to pray over that one. Beyond my intellect.....easier just to have faith and believe
Yeah RC was brilliant, I have to watch a few times to even start to comprehend most of his teachings🧐
James Wyckoff; exactly and that's exactly why he says that, that's all he requires of us!! Some ppl need to just stop.trying to figure God out and just do exactly what you said, have faith & believe! Amen!! God bless and Merry Christmas to you & yours brother!
Yeah who cares about the doubting Thomases they can go jump in a lake.
Yeah, that's it. Mere unbiblical credulity. That'll get you through. Dont bother to read or study or 'make sure of all things, hold fast to what is good'. Why bother? Just let the 'mother church' tell you what to believe.
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RC sproul was a great preacher, he passes away I think in 2014, listen to his sermons they are very good!
Dec 14 2017
2.46-47 touched me
Thank you sir. You answered my question.
Jesus was Spiritually born so of course he's without sin.. All this is a miracle in itself but I try not to question it.. Blessed✝️❤️
Should question it all or what's the point?
Amen!
My friend, do you know what "without sin" actually means? And I agree the guy was Spiritually born but you seem to forget you can be spiritually born also. So, if you are born spiritually that means you no longer follow the traditions of men, your long held thoughts, fears, anxieties, prejudices, or any other mental thought that is adverse to good. Those type thoughts are called evil. That guy said if you believed in what he said and did, you also could do those things and even greater. I honestly believe there area lot of God's children being mislead into the realm of the antichrist and they do not even realize it. For these are false Apostles and treacherous workers and they liken themselves to the Apostles of The Messiah. And not to wonder at this, for if he who is Satan resembles an Angel of light, It is not a great matter if also his Ministers imitate Ministers of righteousness, those whose end will be like their works. That book you people read warned all about this deception and it seems many have not heeded that warning. There is still time to repent from following the ways of the antichrist's. If you believe I am incorrect, let me ask you this? Do you believe that death is the way to eternal life? If so, you have become an antichrist yourself. That man Jesus came to deliver the human race from death and to fulfill in man God's perfect will, abundant life. The perfect will of God for all men is abundant life, not death. God said I take no pleasure in anyone's death, so repent and live. Yet everyone is looking forward to going to some place they imagine is heaven when truth is heaven is within. It's not up there somewhere. That man Jesus said that also. Seek the kingdom. The kingdom is at hand.
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The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine.
There's not even a topic in this theory really. "...and in Him there is no sin." Case closed.
As for Mary..she knew she needed a saviour. Yes..Mary was the virgin mother of Jesus. .its why scripture says she's blessed anongst women. However..she fulfilled her task with humility. Its where all the fables and fabrications come in where problems begin..in the deification of Mary..making her into a mediatrix and more. Of course people like to deny all this , but they DO do it.
After the birth of Jesus, Mary was a wife to Joseph in all senses of the word. She was never a perpetual virgin etc.
All these fakeries detract from the full deity of the Godhead in Jesus. .and the ONE mediator between mankind and God. Scripture is not ambiguous on that..just people are obtuse. These think by magnification and creation of deity where there is none, lie some tenets of salvation. They're false...it can sound all highly religious but its fake. Yes Mary can be revered and loved..but there ends matters. Due to these same obtuse imaginations come fables of a special 'bloodline' and other absolute garbage. It may be well covered with cosmetics and twists of scripture to make many think otherwise. .but it is fake. Satan's greatest deceptions are the "Mary apparitions"..swallowed whole by millions to this day. He's really proud of that stunning display of fakery to absolute scriptural illiterates..along with millions that imagine they know scripture.
Because Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
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Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
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Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
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Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
1 Timothy 3:16
Judy Adams : If God was to enter the womb of Mary, she would have evaporated out of existence (Exodus 33:20).
Just a thought.
this is the great falling away.
pray that your are found worthy.
RC was such a great teacher and theologian!
But wrong in many areas.
Powerful
Now why wouldn’t they include the original question in this reply from RC?
Well, that's because the seed can only come from the father. The mother on the other hand gives you a physical form, explaining His semblance to us. The nature of the child is determined by the father hence His sinless nature.
He was a sinner just like all of us
Stop believing into fairy tales
The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine.
Bible verse pls
@@timothyseals3791we inherited guilt from Adam proof other wise
@@guhmpy1164 How did we inherit it? Explain that.
Sin in the bible is something we do . The bible says sin is not transfered.
2:28 I always thought she was so good but well..... thank you for clarification.
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One of the best Christmas video. Merry Christmas everyone
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The Virgin Mary is not a sinner. God saved her soul at the moment of her conception from all stain of original sin.
Also, Mary is the Mother of God. You might say "Then she is the mother of the Trinity right?" No, because the Trinity is made of three persons.
When we say "Mother of God" we mean she is the Mother of Jesus. Mary gave birth to Christ with his divine and human nature, Even St. Elizabeth agrees (Luke 1:43), but she did not create God's Divinity.
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Q: If Jesus did NOT conquer sin as a human then how is that any comfort to us and how can we then come boldly to the throne of grace in time of need?
He came in the likeness of sinful flesh.
He condemned sin in the flesh.
My physical skin and bones don’t sin, so this is not talking about Christ coming in the likeness of physical flesh as in “skin and bones” but as in the same nature.
QUESTION: Does your literal physical skin sin or do YOU sin ?
What do you think defeating sin in the fresh actually means?
What do you think the significance of that is?
The significance is not that He dressed up as a human and put a costume on of flesh.
It’s that He conquered sin AS A LITERAL HUMAN!
Aaron Pilkey With respect. I'm not sure how Jesus conquered sin. Is there some scriptural reference for such a statement?
@@tongakhan230 ROMANS 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, 👉CONDEMNED SIN👈 in the flesh:
Hebrews 4:15
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are,
👉YET WITHOUT SIN.👈
COLOSSIANS 2:14,15
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly,
👉TRIUMPHING OVER THEM👈 in it.
@@apilkey : The scriptures state that Jesus remained sinless. 1 Peter 2:22 states that Jesus committed no sin.
I'm not sure those scriptures say that Jesus conquered sin. If so, then sin should no longer be around. Just a thought.
1 Peter 2:21 urges Christians to use Jesus as a role model in living godly lives.
The question I would have for RC Sproul if he was still alive and for anyone that is still alive and believes what he believes is where does scripture say anything in regards to Jesus having to be born of a virgin in order to avoid original sin? Where does scripture say that there's a sin nature (that we are automatically born guilty for having) that is passed down from one to another because of a human father? Just seems like so much of this is made up to deal with a concept that might be flawed in the first place.
The answer is in Romans. Yes sin is passed from human to human, truly read Romans and you will see. Original sin is legit and I'm NOT Roman Catholic.
Romans 5 and Psalm 51 for starters
I'm just here for the Roman Catholics who say Mary was not only sinless (which says she didn't need a savior), but stayed a virgin after Jesus's birth, even though He had brothers and sisters. Ah, tradition over scripture...what other group was known for that. Oh, that's right...the Pharisee's, who also claimed "We're the ones who know God and no one else."
Don’t the Catholics believe Mary too was without sin? How does Reformed theology say?
Since Jesus was born of Mary and the Holy Spirit how was he related to David if Joseph was the descendant of David? Was Mary related to David too then?
Yes
Matthew traces Jesus through Jesus' foster father Joseph and Luke traces Jesus through Mary's father Heli, both all the way back to King David.
Thus, Jesus was a son of David through both his human parents.
Yes she may have been
@@tongakhan230I thought Mary's Father was Joachim according to Roman Catholics now you are saying it is Heli?
Eastern tradition has Mary conceived in Hanna by the Holy Spirit, which removed original sin; therefore, Mary gave birth without pain also (Gen 3:16).
Eastern tradition didn't make it into my Bible.
That's the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. Roman Catholics, as well as traditional Anglicans, and confessional Lutherans also believe in that.
No she is not without sin.
If he got his human nature from Mary why does the book of Matthew start with the genealogy of Joseph??
Super clarity of such a deep theology.
The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine.
You left out the Holy Spirit and what He accomplished in/during the impregnation of Mary. Jesus was physically born via the Holy Spirit and Spiritually born of/via the Holy Spirit. The Spirit was given to Him "without measure". Yes, He was born out of woman, flesh and blood, but He was not like us. He did follow what Genesis states, with one exception. Seth was "born in the image and likeness of Adam". Jesus was born in "the express image" of His Father, God. We are not told how Jesus bypassed the "sin". It could be the Holy Spirit cleansed the egg prior to conception and that brings up another possibility. Did the Holy Spirit place a zygote (sp? ) in Mary? When does conception occur? When the sperm enters the egg or when the fertilized egg attaches to the wall? We know there is a flash of light given off when the sperm enters the egg. Is that light the beginning of life? I think the Holy Spirit cleansed the egg prior to fertilization.
Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. Jesus started todi His ministry after he was baptised in the Jordan river by His cousin John the Baptist. The father spoke from heaven.
Quite right! Jesus couldn't do any miracles until God gave him the holy spirit at Jesus' baptism.
And to further clarify we traducianist recognize that God breathed the first soul into Adam. 2 scriptures point to this likely being the incarnate Jesus since we read he is a "life-giving spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) and we see in Luke's genealogy which is specifically his connection with Mary places "The son of God" as the root or origin of Adam. Some interpret that to say it was referring to Adam's special relation to God as being himself the son of God, I find that unconvincing although with all certainty he was a son in respect to his image and likeness, it seems more convincing that this verse was specifically referring to the 2nd person of the Trinity incarnate.
So we hold that Jesus' human spirit did not begin at the virgin birth but rather it preceded all mankind whatsoever so that at the virgin birth his entire humanity was only in seed, planted and produced by God. So that the Son of God we see as the first man in Luke's genealogy stepped into history at that point--not as the beginning of his humanity so to speak but as the realization of it in time. This also explains how we have theophanies of Christ before his virgin birth in the Old Testament where it is implied that God has a recognizable humanity. Going back to God walking in the garden in the "cool of the day" to the Angel of the Lord and so on.
Refuge Kids : I think the scriptures state that when Adam was given God's breath, he became a soul. He didn't receive some separate innate entity called the soul. He was the soul. A living being. Genesis 2:7.
If He knew us before we born, then you have your answer don't you...
So what happened to his human soul when he died?
That question will crop up only if we start to believe apostate teachings.
When Jesus died, his soul died.
Because the soul IS THE LIVING PERSON.
Genesis 2:7 KJV
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME A LIVING SOUL.”
The soul wasn't something else put into a human which was to be trapped until a death occurred.
Humans were NOT CREATED TO DIE.
Death ONLY came in because of sin (Romans 5:12).
Hope this helps.
Romans 5 appears to teach that the sin nature comes from the male and not the female though both are sinners. 1 Timothy 2:14 teaches that Eve was deceived but Adam knowingly disobeyed God. This is a question that we will have to wait until we know as we are known to be answered with certainty.
"14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil- 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way" (Heb 2).
It’s stuff like this that caused me to leave Christianity after 30 years. At the end of the day these people are legitimately debating magic and supernatural events that aren’t even reasonable to believe in the first place.
Umm you didn't leave Christianity because you weren't Christian in the first place. But I'm glad if you think your conscience is much more at peace now.
God didn’t need Joseph to initiate the pregnancy, any reason why he needed Mary’ help to initiate? She carried Jesus, yes, but in the same way Joseph wasn’t needed to fertilise, perhaps Mary wasn’t needed to produce the egg? Arguably, Jesus still came from the descendent of Moses by promise?
It doesn't matter that Jesus was born of mary, For he was GOD IN THE FLESH! The word of God says that he ( Jesus) knew NO SIN!
Therefore since he is part of the trinity , God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit, and therefore Jesus was completely sinless!
Ppl need too STOP trying to read into things and just accept Gods holy infallible word for face value and what it is! Merry Christmas everyone and Happy Birthday Jesus!! 🙏💗
With respect. To say that Jesus knew no sin would only mean that he cannot be God. Such a statement is only made about someone who could sin but managed to maintain his integrity. 1Peter 2:22.
@@tongakhan230 Jesus is God! He is God in the flesh! The Trinity!
1st john 5:7 " For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father ( God) the Word ( Jesus) and the Holy Ghost and these 3 are one"!
John 1: 1- 4 Matthew 1:23 ect.
God bless!
@@thevoiceofthelordpastorkei7165 : The Trinity was adapted into the apostate church a few hundred years after Jesus. It is not scriptural.
The 1 John 5:7,8 which one quotes was deliberately added by the KJV to boost the Trinity doctrine. These spurious words have been deleted by modern Bible translations.
Why would the KJV stoop to such deceit if the Bible is clear that Jesus is God?
If Jesus was God, he certainly wasn't aware of it.
John 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith ALSO IN ME.
Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 I will pray that you stop being deceived and become born again! You believe certain parts of the word of God but not in its entirety so therefore you cant just pick and choose what you want to apply to your self and what only you believe! But honestly that's sounds about right for today's christian not too mention we are forewarned of that as well in Matthew 24 and Luke 21! Btw, the KJV is still proven to be the most accurate translation out there!
@@thevoiceofthelordpastorkei7165 : With respect. How can the KJV be the most accurate translation? Even the KJV was revised to the NKJV.
Googling 'Errors in the KJV' will come up with many hits. All the errors will be highlighted.
I certainly am not a born again. I've noticed so called 'born again' ones each teaching their own doctrines. How many truths are there?
Why would the KJV ADD spurious verses to 1 John 5:7,8 is there is clear evidence that the Trinity is true? Evidence is only cooked up when there is a lack of such to prove a point.
The best person to ask if Jesus was God is Jesus himself.
John 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me.
The 'ALSO IN ME' addition would be a superfluous part. That is; IF Jesus was God. He certainly wasn't as John clearly states.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12
John and other had ACTUALLY SEEN Jesus. Thus, if Jesus was God, it would mean that God has been SEEN at SOME TIME. This would contradict John's plain and clear statement.
Hope this helps.
Human nature curse came down through fathers
@@bosse641 1 Corinthians 15,22
from umbilical cord to umbilical cord
@@user-hr8pz6lh5w not true . Obviously look at the reality. Every man in the world ha sinned except Jesus who had no earthly father of whom to inherit the sin curse. Jesus endures suffering and yet never caved to sin. Obviously the sin curse doesn’t come from the umbilical cord.
@@bosse641 Adam did not fall because he loved Eve enough to go with her. Eve was only deceived because Adam did not lead her rightly and stand the ground as head. God holds Adam responsible for the fall . Genesis 3 says “the Lord called out to the MAN” . Blessings
Yes your right.. women have no seed so they cant pass it down except thru union with man.. it is men that provide seed... Jesus seed is of God
If Jesus did NOT conquer sin as a human then how is that any comfort to us and how can we then come boldly to the throne of grace in time of need as per Hebrews 4:14-16?
He came in the likeness of sinful flesh.
He condemned sin in the flesh.
My physical skin and bones don’t sin, so this is not talking about Christ coming in the likeness of physical flesh as in “skin and bones” but as in the same nature.
Our literal physical skin doesn’t sin but “WE” sin.
The significance is not that He dressed up as a human and put a costume on of flesh.
It’s that He conquered sin as a literal human being.
*If Jesus defeated sin in the flesh making full use of His divine attributes, then How can He possibly relate to us who are tempted?
...because then He WASN’T truly tempted as we are but He was merely tempted as God and not as man and so of course He could resist temptation as God.*
*The point is He chose to humble himself and take on our same NATURE and defeated sin IN THAT SAME NATURE.*
*Now to this I can find great comfort in times of temptation knowing I have an advocate to the Father who can sincerely relate to me!*
I guess that's where we can accept the sinlessness of the Blessed Virgin, that God completely washed away the Virgin's sin before she got conceived with Christ child. Mary was given a exception from the Original sin before she got pregnant with God - Man. This doesn't mean she was unaffected by original sin but given grace to escape from it & washed completely clean & pure physically so that no stain of sin may be transmitted to the God incarnate, this thought was shared by early church fathers & some medieval guys like Aquinas without accepting Immaculate Conception
He should have just said “I have no idea”
I don't think this answers cuts it. Somethings are just in the realm of mystery.
I always thought it was something to do with her being a virgin... Like because there was no physical sex, the sin was not passed on? But maybe that is a messed up perspective on sex from the way sin has twisted the beauty of it
One of the placenta's jobs is to make sure blood from the mother and fetus never mixes.
The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine.
If we don’t believe in Traducianism we deny the fact about Jesus’s respond to Nicodemus in relate to being born again.
Through one man disobedience (Adam) sin entered into the world. Even though eve sinned before Adam. There from that passage we see sin is inherited from the Father and not the mother.
why would you even be concerned about this to begin with ? IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR A BELIEVER TO EVEN HAVE THAT THOUGHT
JESUS: Mommy, where do babies come from?
JOSEPH: *_Yeah MARY... where DO babies come from???!!! 🤔😡
Jesus was in the Flesh. Flesh. His whole life was living according to the spirit against the flesh. But he did have flesh. But he didn’t go through make lineage of Adam which would be that original sin you talk about right? But he still had flesh, he rejected his flesh
Well said!
@@tatianaG Thanks Tatiana, Aaron Pilkey said it better below haha. Shalom
Even if Jesus was born with original sin from Mary, did He not pay for that sin when He put Himself on the cross?
He would be unable too. Nothing less then a perfect, sinless sacrifice eould please the Holy Judgement of God. If he indeed had sin, then we call the Bible a liar.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:21.
@@amuslockhart519 Thank you for the insightful reminder to the truth that is our Lord and Savior, brother. My insensitivity to that truth was my response to what was being said in video. Much thanks to the rebuke of my statement
Original sin is not what the catholic church makes of it.
The RCC didn't back any of their beliefs on the Bible. Their teachings state that Tradition is there dependency.
The Bible is clear on that your cannot inherit your parents sin. You will be judge on your sins alone. I'm sure the substance of original sin was transferred to Jesus, but because of Him being the Son of God he can still keep himself from sinning. If you assume that Jesus could not be without sin unless he was washed clean of original sin through the miraculous virgin birth then I think that diminishes how great He is and what He can do. Just my opinion though.
Actually, humans can inherit the consequences of their parents sin.
(Romans 5:12) That is why, just as through ONE MAN (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so DEATH SPREAD TO ALL MEN because they had all sinned.
Because children shouldn't be made to SUFFER for their parents' sin, God SENT his son to pay off Adam's sin's penalty and FREE all Adam's children from inheriting Adam's imperfection resulting in death.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed (by death) but have everlasting life.
Hope this helps.
Reading all these comments is killing my brain.
Wonderfully said. A baby does not receive blood from its mother, but the father, transmitted via the sperm containing the blood cells. Which Jesus did not have any earthly father.
Not really on topic but if Mary was sinless how could 7 devil's come out of her 😅
Jesus was circumcised, read Luke Chapter 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb"... so was He born free of sin?
The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine. All people are born free of sin.
Yes Jesus was completely sinless.
@@timothyseals3791no, we are all born of orginal sin. Read Romans 3:23. It is unbiblical to say we are without sin. If we didn't sin Christ died for nothing.
@@timothyseals3791can you prove that?
@@AnnetteMurphyger Did I say we are without sin, No. Read what I said. I said "All people are BORN free of sin."
Do you teach and believe that a 1 day old newborn infant is sinful? If so, what sin did that newborn infant commit?
Soul-creationism has a slight problem: God created the world and _everything in it_ in six literal days. In fact, He pronounced the original creation "good". Now this doesn't mean God doesn't _interact_ with His creation at times. But, He doesn't _create_ anything new. What exists in the universe right now is what will always exist. That includes human souls. God doesn't create new souls every time a human being is conceived because He no longer _creates._ So, obviously, this leads into traducianism. The issue with traducianism is finding out _how_ the soul is transmitted from parents to offspring. We know the physiological-biological transmission of the physical body, but the transmission of the immaterial soul will probably forever be a mystery.
Not for me I guess.
In Adam all have sinned. Not in Eve. Original sin is passed on by the male. Probably genetic.
Where is that in the bible? There is No original sin...
Sin cant be inherited... what a kind of god & parents that gives you sin then hate you for that.. is not loving & illogical..
We don't see the term "original sin" anywhere in scripture. What is passed down to us from our parents is the same flesh. That's all. We are not born having sinned already. I'm actually not sure where "original sin" came from initially.
@@MrMarkovka11 its from catholicism.. so they have a motivation to Baptist babies or infants... so they can have money...
That's not what it means that everyone sinned in Adam. If your interpretation were right, Eve wouldn't have been sinful
Your almost right... just to clarify only men can pass on seed.. women do not produce seed.. it is the seed of man that Jesus did not have so He is only 1 to not have the original sin curse on Him.. the seed He came from is of God Himself
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Because God was his father that's why he was not from original sin.
The doctrine of Mary's Immaculate Conception would easily answer this question!
No one is without sin and who says there's such a ting as original sin?
My opinion is that original sin is our soul in a flesh body.
@@onejohn2.26 Well, you're right about that being your opinion. Because that certainly WASN'T the opinion of the apostolic or patristic church, nor of mainstream orthodox Christianity today. The body is not evil - that notion derives from the Gnostic heretics. Please read Irenaeus of Lyon's "Against Heresies".
@@gregmarra9457 The Gnostic's were heretics?
I suggest that you research the alien race of the Anunnaki.
You will find that satan is one of them, so are the so called 'fallen angels', and they created our bodies and The Father created our souls. They imprisoned our souls in these flesh suits. Earth is called a 'prison planet' for a reason.
They are coming back...soon...
Look at annunaki.org for more info.
When you read through the Bible, neither Jesus nor the Father are interested in the flesh---only the soul.
@@gregmarra9457 Do you really think that a loving Father would set a sin upon a newborn child? No He would not. So whatever this 'original sin' is, it doesn't come with a newborn
Also, this is a doctrine of man, original sin is not articulated in the Bible..
@@onejohn2.26 I'm using the term loosely, in terms of a nature contaminated by sin, not necessarily an actual trespass. That we inherit the consequences of Adam's transgression comes straight from Romans 5. So much for that "doctrine of man".
Original. I was thinking the same thing when comparing Jesus to Krishna, and ra the sun God of Egypt then I became a Satanist after the realization that Jesus is original also.
Many was chosen before she was born. Mary was immaculately conceived God would not choose someone with sin to give birth to his son Jesus.
Only a Virgin Birth, a 2000 year old miracle of God, bringing Jesus,the only man who never sinned, into this world to die in our place,would do, would suffice. As incredible as it must seem to many people, it WAS a divine miracle .God is quite a father, and is still in the miracle business today. He just won't have to ever do this type of miracle again. Once and for all time, it IS finished.
That is correct!
It was a transfer of a spirit life form into a human life form (Philippians 2:7, Galatians 4:4).
People forget that caterpillars turn into butterflies all the time, though.
Even the dna of His blood shows proof of His divinity...He is born without it unlike the rest of us.
This is a strange comment to me. Where do you get the DNA from his blood from? He didn't have descendants or anything
Christians don’t like the difficult questions…
Sproul is wrong in his claim that Jesus was born with substance from Mary, scripture does not support his claim. The gospel clearly tells us that Jesus birth is from the Holy Spirit and the Most High, not from Mary. Jesus is not from the seed of man nor the seed of woman, He is from the Holy Spirit and the Most High in the same way Adam was created without being from the union of a man and woman.
“If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” -JESUS
John 7:37-38
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4
“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” -JESUS
John 8:58
@@IanDavid_Smith
Who is the God of Jesus???
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ as Paul says
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4
“Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.” -JESUS
John 14:9-11
@@IanDavid_Smith
So who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Who is the God of Jesus???
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ as Paul says
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Jesus has a God
Jesus could not inheiret what Mary did not possess
Jesus was (sinless) BC he came from Heaven where the angels are holy , not reproduce from human babies on Earth & later to be adults !!!
That is certainly the case. However, not all angels are holy. Satan and his demon following aren't although being angels themselves. Just a thought.
Mary was preserved from Original Sin.
The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine.
Mary only supplied the female gamete, GOD, through the supernatural intervention of an angel, supplied the male gamete, together they formed the zygote that grew to become Yeshua. Half man, half divine. No mystery.
@V Max What you have written here is not for the public. You need to figure out (privately) whatever it is that’s going on with you in regards to John Q. It really is horrible what you have written here. No one should be subjected to what you have written. Get help. Solve your this problem privately.
With respect. Half man and half human is from Greek mythology. Makes no sense logically and scripturaly.
Not half and half. Truly God and truly man.
I love Sproul but this is off.
A. If original sin is a reality, and the creationism view is true, you have God being the sole creator of sinners.
B. He has to add to Hebrews 2:17. The issue is not that Jesus wouldn't be truly human without a sinful nature, it would be that He isn't truly like us.
C. The purpose of the virgin birth is not to bypass original sin. This is never hinted at. The purpose was that Jesus is God.
For clarity, I no longer hold to the original sin/guilt view for this reason and others, including the likelihood that it's based on a defective manuscript of Romans 5:12 that Augustine relied on.
Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and because of that? the spirit of God is sinless and so is Jesus.
no the Holy Spirit didn't conceive Mary
@@AnnetteMurphygerLuke 1:26-38, “Jesus Was Conceived by the Holy Spirit, and so in your opinion, for Jesus to be the Son of God how did that happened? in
Luke 1:26-38, “Jesus Was Conceived by the Holy Spirit, and Born of the Virgin Mary” ... In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God.
I am a bit of both... Traducreatanist
The blood its in the blood mary blood never touch Him 🤔
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Jesus was born of God in the flesh not of the will of the flesh but of the will of God HIS Father by God's spirit the holyghost but in the flesh. So by his flesh and blood was untainted by sin by being born LITERALLY of God he had to come in the flesh so by him destroying that temple as he explains it raised up in three days by God's power. So that all that trust and believing in him will be the same way as he is at some point. If they endure to their end in him or thee end either or
There's nothing wrong with christianity but a hell of a lot wrong with theology
Isn't theology basically studying what Christianity is about?
@@emmaaudu3461 perhaps it is to some people
Explain how theology represents reality and I will get back to you on that
So true.. theology is corrct if we have wisdom to discern otherwise it is deceitful because the heart of man is deceitful without Gods wisdom
People who make up theology without using the Bible, end up:
Jesus' words to the Jews:
Matthew 15:....So you have made the word of God INVALID because of your tradition.
How dare you judge the actions of GOD?
You yourself would truly be judged by GOD at the end of your life.
Amen
Matt Chan : I'm sure he was just giving various points of view.
I watched the video a second time to see where he judged God. Seems Matt is just silly and angry.
@@Mario_1611
Yeh I didn't watch it.
I just wanted to tell him off because I felt like it!... 🤣 Lol
I Bron again from vergin female, so do Jesus Christ not big deal and Jesus Christ not sheep truth ok
this is a question of a man who wants to jump in bed with his mother and father SOME THINGS SHOULD NEVER EVEN COME TO YOUR MIND
Because Mary was born without original sin and was sinless
(Romans 5:12) That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned.
Since Mary grew old and eventually died, she could not have been sinless.
Just a thought to help.
@@tongakhan230 she didn’t die tho
@@johnnyjoestar9821 : That Mary didn't die is an RCC tradition.
It isn't supported by history.
The RCC also believe that Mary went up with Jesus to heaven.
Here is what the Bible states.
This was many days after Jesus had gone back to heaven.
Acts 1:14 With one purpose all of these were persisting in prayer, together with some women and MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS and with HIS BROTHERS.
Mary along with he other sons were among those who received the holy spirit at Pentecost 33 C.E.
Turkey has a house supposedly the final resting place where Mary died. Tourists line up to view it.
Jesus handed Mary's care to John, the beloved apostle and also a cousin.
John 19:26 So when Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother: “Woman, see! Your son!” 27 Next he said to the disciple: “See! Your mother!” And from that hour on, the disciple took her into his own home.
If we go by what the babel of churches teach, we will end up believing all sorts of things.
Stay with what the Bible teaches. Safer!
Soul is not transmitted! God gives a humans a soul not mother or father.
The Bible says that Jesus comes in the order of the high priest of Melchizedek and not of woman or man. Melchizedek was human too. Mary’s dna cannot have been perfected because she ultimately came form Adam and Eve who had tainted dna because they ate from the tree of good and evil.
Hebrews 5:6 and Hebrews 7:12
“He is without father or mother (D)or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever”
“You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”;
as he says also in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
Immaculate Mary mother of God - Jesus. HAPPY CHRISTMAS!
@@bosse641 Jesus is God.
@@bosse641 the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us.
@@bosse641 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58.
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" Exodus 3:14
@@bosse641 yes bias of the church fathers...
@@bosse641 what about when Thomas called Jesus God? What about when Jesus said if u seen me u have seen the father?
Oh she was not virgin for fact! Nonsense that no one has any prove for!
Original sin is a false doctrine
The Virgin Mary is not a sinner. God saved her soul at the moment of her conception from all stain of original sin.
Also, Mary is the Mother of God. You might say "Then she is the mother of the Trinity right?" No, because the Trinity is made of three persons.
When we say "Mother of God" we mean she is the Mother of Jesus. Mary gave birth to Christ with his divine and human nature, Even St. Elizabeth agrees (Luke 1:43), but she did not create God's Divinity.
that is heracy
With respect. If Mary was without sin, she should be still alive today on earth.
Death was the consequence of sin (Romans 5:12).
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
@@Jadelyngkhoi25: Adam before he sinned was perfect. Yet he ended up decomposing in the ground.
1 Corinthians 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
No flesh and blood in heaven.
@@Jadelyngkhoi25 : Bodies decompose. People DIE.
Taking some RCC teaching while ignoring the Bible is neither here nor there.
Mary was present 40 days after Jesus went back to heaven.
Acts 1:14 With one purpose all of these were persisting in prayer, together with some women and MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS and with HIS BROTHERS.
Mary was present at Pentecost 33 C.E. along with her other children.
What the RCC teaches is NOT scriptural.
@@Jadelyngkhoi25 : Jesus was RESURRECTED by God back into his ANGELIC SPIRIT FORM (1 Peter 3:18).
That is how he could enter locked rooms and disappear at will.
His original body was disposed of by God.
On leaving the earth, Jesus, as had angels in the past, discarded this temporary human form and went back to heaven.
Humans cannot BREATHE away from earth's environment.
Mary couldn't have gone anywhere. She would have shown age and finally died as do other humans. She also was a DESCENDANT of imperfect Adam.
(Romans 5:12) That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned.
The term MEN means ALL HUMANS.
What the churches teach and what the TRUTH is are poles apart.
Stay with the Bible.
Mystery Babylon. Pure paganism. 2 kings 19:19, Hosea 11:9. Romans 1:3-4 also refutes the virgin birth outright.
Every baby is born “supernaturally” 😁😉
The body of Jesus Christ is not from Mary. Study your bible.
What? 🤔 I don't understand.
It's hard to believe how many thousands of people believe his lies. He died spreading false teachings.
No one is born with original sin. There is not one verse that says that the sin and guilt of Adam was passed down to his descendants.We should understand this idea from everyday life. No one in any court of law is found guilty of someone else's crimes. If there is such a situation we automatically know that the some kind of injustice has occurred. In Ezekiel it specifically states that children are not guilty of the crimes of the father.. Original sin is a false PHILOSOPHICAL idea imposed on the scripture to justify a doctrinal system.
Jesus was born in the flesh without sin because Mary herself was without sin. That's the 2000 year old belief Nd teaching.
Salonsar War : Mary was with sin, else she wouldn't have shown age and died. Romans 5:12.
@@tongakhan230 Even Jesus aged till he died.
It would hv bn impossible for Jesus' sinless flesh to be surrounded by Mary's sinful flesh for 9 months. There would hv bn conflict from day one. Mary was preserved from original sin at her conception by an act of God through the merits of Christ birth n passion.
She is the Ark of the New Covenant, specially created by God.
Merry Christmas n Happy New Year.
In Christ.
@@Jwarrior123 : With respect. Jesus couldn't have SHOWN age and died. Being perfect excludes that possibility. Jesus was killed.
No part of Mary was used other than her womb environment. Thus, no defective genes could have passed onto Jesus. Mary had other children normally. She and they all died. Death is the penalty of sin.
Romans 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death,
The answer is because Mary herself was conceived without sin. She had no sin to pass on. She is the Immaculate Conception after all. Unlike us, who are saved after we have sinned, Our Lady was saved before; at the time of her conception.
Thats untrue, every single person has sinned except for Jesus.
@@naklovesjesus3204 Really? Have aborted babies sinned? Have people with severe mental handicaps sinned? How about children under the age of reason placed on life support, or in a coma before their death? Have they sinned? No, they haven't. Neither did Our Mother. She was saved before her conception in preparation for her role as Mother of God. She is the new Eve, the True Ark of the covenant. Spotless and pure.
I like your examples...Adam and Eve likewise were sinless before the Fall.
It is not a scandal to declare that the Mother of God, chosen to be His mother before she came into existence, would receive a special grace to conceive Him in her womb by the power of the Holy Spirit, in light of the merits of Jesus. God is outside of time. He can do this.
Scientific studies conclude a child's blood and dna remain in their mother the rest of her life. It was fitting that she be sinless. And her humility and devotion to her son is an example to all Christians.
Joseph is the father. Enough with this immaculate conception crap. Virgin doesn't mean she never had sex. You don't understand scripture because it was not given to non Israelites
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Aborted babies are unborn. All who have been born have sinned except Jesus.
*Romans 3:23*
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Mary was a great woman, but she definitely wasn't sinless. Putting Mary as some female god, is what most other religions from the dawn of time has been doing. Some mother god, father god, and son god....that's not following Jesus it's paganism.
There is no sin nature. It’s made up term. Every time you see the sin nature in bible ( not original) it’s the word sarx which is ALWAYS FLESH NOT SIN NATURE.
Ronbo Omega : Check Romans 5:12. It explains why death invaded human life.
@@tongakhan230 well I agree death entered the world through one man ( Adam) that was physical death , that’s the curse passed on to all of us. Sin nature isn’t passed on, we all are responsible for our own sins and nobody eles. I’m not held account for adams sins, or my wife’s sins but only my own.
@@ronbo30We are judged for our own sins, yes, but we suffer the consequences of all sins, not just our own. The latter is original sin -- the corruption and brokenness on both humanity and nature. Why is there death? Why was the man born blind in Jesus' day, for his sin or his parents' sin? Why did Job suffer? Why are small children born crippled or stillborn, having not yet done anything good or evil? It is because as David confesses we are born in iniquity, poisoned and reeking of death, even from the start. We are under a curse from the start -- that is what has been called original sin. And just as we suffer death under our first father Adam, even if not for our own transgressions, we are holy and full of life under our Lord Jesus in the rebirth, having died in His death and being raised to newness of life, and not for our own righteousness but His.
@@ronbo30 : That is true. But what we have inherited are imperfect genes which causes us to show age and end up in death. This is an enemy which Jesus and God's kingdom will end after the earth is taken over.
1 Corinthians 15:25 For (Jesus) must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, DEATH, is to be brought to nothing.
Babies who die have not literally sinned. But they bear the consequence of Adam's sin. To release us from this situation God sent his son (John 3:16, Romans 5:18).
Life for a life. A perfect man Jesus dies in place of a perfect man Adam. This frees all Adam's children from inheriting imperfection leading to death.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
Hope this is helpful.
@@tongakhan230 we don’t inherit someone else’s sins. Read Ezekiel 18:20. The son shall NOT BEAR THE SIN OF THE FATHER.
“Tempted in all points yet without sin.” If Christ was born as a man without a sin nature then this verse makes no sense. Why allow Satan to tempt Christ and defeat Satan if there was no sin nature to defeat thru Scripture quoting and promise claiming? You see “We have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities.”
Christ showed us how to defeat sin and he knows how temptation feels. That’s not possible without a sin nature.
I thank my Savior Jesus Christ for defeating sin, death, Hell, and the grave. There is no defeat of these if there was no fight.
To say it was possible for Christ to sin is blasphemy. God cannot sin, Jesus is God, end of story. You don’t need a sin nature to be tempted, Adam was tempted before he had a sin nature...
Karin Wiles : If Jesus couldn't sin, was the temptations by Satan a charade with Jesus in the know?
Peter states that Jesus didn't sin. Not couldn't sin. Just a thought.
Jesus never sinned but yes he was tempted
That is herasy saying Jesus sinned
The doctrine of original sin is not biblical. It is a false man made doctrine.
*Traducianism*