For the questions about Securitas and the Security Guard. Deposition testimony revealed that the building was equipped with a single button security alarm intended to evacuate the building in an emergency. The security guard testified that she had never been trained on, and wasn't even aware that the button existed. In her testimony she stated that if she had known about the button, she would have hit it. I think the large pay out from Securitas is less about the guard's performance and more about the security firm's training practices. Though keep in mind, all defending party insurer's decided to pay out on their policy limits instead of taking this to trial. Avoiding official guilt-placement was a large motivating factor for this decision. So the pay-outs do not necessarily imply guilt and we should remember that when looking at complex cases such as this.
In my younger days I worked for several companies as a security guard. Most times the alarm systems in places was not working or malfunctioning and really no one knew how the alarm system worked since it was the clients system. Very few times at the places I worked did the companies maintain the security system. In high fire risk places we was told just keep a water bottle on us and pour water on anything smoking. I have had to work new banks where the money was moved in but the alarm systems was not installed yet. If guards was not under a NDA at all times you would hear some crazy stories. Most guards are under paid, have little training, and are there to just to make insurance companies happy. Maybe it would be a good subject for a video in the future.
Thank you for clearly replying to this, as it seems it is a nearly direct response. This explains more and I was not fully aware of the legal proceedings, which is why I left my comment intentionally open to not fully knowing all the details. It could be the case she was not trained, or was advised it is best to say she wasn't (hindsight for everyone involved). I am not saying she lied, just pointing out possibilities. I still think it is extreme for this large payout from Securitas, and might indicate a much larger internal issue. I doubt much will be involved in security training except maybe in Securitas if it still remains a company after. This is a one in a million issue(so far) in Florida and quite possibly the U.S. at least not involving earthquakes or other natural causes. Well, very interesting information to ponder. I hope it is all taken seriously, but I think most of us know that only a handful of main points will be taken, and the others will blow away in the billion dollar wind. I do want to thank you greatly for your content, and I appreciate all the work(even though it might sound like I was conflicting). I was just bringing up a noticeable point. I have watched your videos on this from the start, and you have been the best source of information. I would choose your company and you to provide services for me if I ever have the need in the future. Thank you for your private, and public service!
@@TravisAviation Securitas is a huge International secutity Company it will survive it has as of 2020 over 355000 employees I doubt that it will feel the loss of $500M.
Fire alarm system log and monitoring 01:15:29-01:16:39: 01:15:29 Logs Trouble. This is probably when the deck collapsed. In the lobby, it was a very loud crash followed by rumbling, dust, and car alarms. All they could see from the lobby was cars sticking up out of an “abyss.” 01:15:46 Logs Fire from the activation of the lobby pull switch. Josh states Shamoka failed to activate it, but she is the only person who could have done so. This is the alarm that triggered monitoring to call 911. 01:16:39 Central Alarm Control calls 911. Four 911 calls 01:16:27-01:17:49: At 01:17:49, Shamoka calls 911 and provides an accurate address and description of the emergency. This is after three aborted 911 calls (01:16:27, 01:17:06, and 01:17:34) where we can hear panicky residents screaming conflicting instructions at her as she tried to get the correct address. The Nirs were telling her to call it an earthquake. Shamoka called it an explosion downward. No one knew what had happened. Calls to residents 1:18-1:22: After activating the fire alarm at 01:15:46 and making the 911 calls at 01:16:27, 01:17:06, 01:17:34, and 01:17:49, Shamoka starts calling individual residents to tell them to evacuate. Building collapses at 1:22: The north part of the lobby, not far from the security desk, collapses into the garage. Shamoka is only a few feet away from the collapse, and the darkened lobby is filled with dust and acrid smells. The front door is locked for lack of power. She has no idea what has happened. Escapes and guides survivors 1:22-1:27: Shamoka tries to escape through the valet window, but the porte-cochere has collapsed and is blocking her way. She re-enters the lobby and exits to find the the collapsed deck. Climbing down to the garage level, she encounters Ileana Monteagudo (611) and helps her climb out at 01:26. Shamoka then encounters a family of four and helps them escape from the garage level. Assists police 1:28: Shamoka climbs out of the garage and presents herself to assist the police at 1:28. Her injuries include cracked ribs and bruises; she has to use crutches in the following days.
@@johnmccallum8512 I was not aware of the size of the company, and am sort of scared of that in this case. Does that mean they do not properly train all their employees? Anyone who has worked for such a large company is probably saying yes. But sad to hear they will hardly have much of a loss here. Like I said in another reply, this will likely not happen again like this. I don't like to hear that they have half of the blame still(to pay), but I would rather them somehow have higher expectations or maybe more standardized certification requirements in security(which are probably there somewhat already). Loose thoughts anyway...
I got out of my condo shortly after this happened. I had a baby due in a month and my husband was grilling outside and was moving a pot of hot water when his foot went through the deck. Meanwhile my basement kept flooding because of improper drainage outside my front yard and instead basically made it my problem to protect my basement. Our HOA collected 600 in fees a few times a year to “put towards our decks” but let them get so bad that we could only do a few at a time. Several of us asked where our money went because there were many problems, increased fees with bare minimum changing and there were under 30 condos. I will never rejoin an HOA or condo complex in my life. Glad I got out.
Yep, HOAs get to tell you how tall your grass can be on a Tuesday, can deny allowing you to build a shed in your backyard and can deny allowing you to replace your lawn with xeriscaping for easier upkeep. For a country that doesn't like being told what to do we sure do like having other people tell us what we can do with our own property.
My heart goes out to you! I have stayed on top of the coverage since the initial report of this happening that fateful night. So glad you got out safely!
The owners failed to do any building repair in 40 years, but the security company has to pay for most of the damages because the security guard failed to push a button in the very short time she had while the building was crumbling around her? WTF? And the guard shouldn't have needed to push the fire alarm anyway, it should have started automatically due to all the broken sprinkler pipes. If the building had held up a few years longer, of course the owners would have blamed the government for loosing their home after failing the 40 year inspection and getting emergency-evicted due to the immediate danger.
@@TheEmpressMouse I don't remember any written thing stating disclosure for future assessments, at least not in my state. I know you have to as owner. But verbal is nothing. There might be one in the pile of lawyer stuff. Tho.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I’m not quite sure what you mean but here goes. In FL a sale of a condo requires full disclosure of any structural problems, a failed assessment, etc. Imagine trying to get a second mortgage, pull out equity, or sell it outright when the current owner paid $750,000 or more. But after everything is disclosed the value drops to $450,000. They might have had $100,000 in equity one day and be $200,000 under the next. But they still should’ve figured out something. The condo was supposed to have a large fund to be used for repairs/improvements. Where is it? Building Integrity also said that a company should’ve been out there to shore it up to prevent collapse until something could be done. They decided to replace the roof first. For weeks before the collapse, residents remember the whole building vibrating due to the constant jackhammering everyday. I’m no engineer but vibrations throughout that building could not have helped.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 The association was ready to hire another company to come to estimate repairs so they could get bids and get it safe but someone(s) got the city building inspector to go to the association meeting. He told them they had a “healthy building” and not to worry for now. They then decided to wait a few more years before doing anything. Why would a city building inspector be at an association meeting? Who got him there? Anything exchanged? Seems so suspect. An investigation, indictment, trial, and imprisonment should be the inspector’s future. Building Integrity tells about it in an earlier video. The first estimate for costs came in at $12 million and a few years later it was $15 million.
This post-mortem is chilling. In hindsight, there were so many opportunities to change course and save this building and the lives sheltered within. My heart goes out to the community--they are all affected by this.
That’s how every disaster goes. Airplane crashes, industrial accidents, structural issues, etc. it isn’t a single event, it’s a series of events that individually are not catastrophic, but when the stars align and all those issues line up 💥
In hindsight, we are always pretty damn smart. The problem is, 100% perfection is impossible, and even getting close to it is damn expensive, so we wouldn’t even have big buildings at all with that mentality. So we MUST take risks, balancing between costs and safety. We can’t over-reinforce everything beyond reason. But we can learn from past mistakes, to at least avoid repeating those, and gradually improving standards over time, wherever it is needed. It means we will always have mistakes, but it should be rare, and less frequent over time. And it should always result in change of policies, so it is not repeated. The problem is that these days, we are pretty good at building structures which never collapse, so it rarely happens… So when there are imminent signs of an actual collapse, it is not taken seriously. Like in this case…
the planning of the future at the beginning of the 20th century was planned to build over and over again .it is not only the devices , it is the whole scene
Quite sad that they scapegoated the security company for half the damages. A lone security guard cannot be blamed for any part of a building failure. This is why bad people do what they do, they can weasel out of damages and have a net gain overall.
Fire alarm system log and monitoring @-@: @ Logs Trouble. This is probably when the deck collapsed. In the lobby, it was a very loud crash followed by rumbling, dust, and car alarms. All they could see from the lobby was cars sticking up out of an “abyss.” @ Logs Fire from the activation of the lobby pull switch. Josh states Shamoka failed to activate it, but she is the only person who could have done so. This is the alarm that triggered monitoring to call 911. @ Central Alarm Control calls 911. Four 911 calls @-@: At @, Shamoka calls 911 and provides an accurate address and description of the emergency. This is after three aborted 911 calls (@, @, and @) where we can hear panicky residents screaming conflicting instructions at her as she tried to get the correct address. The Nirs were telling her to call it an earthquake. Shamoka called it an explosion downward. No one knew what had happened. Calls to residents @-@: After activating the fire alarm at @ and making the 911 calls at @, @, @, and @, Shamoka starts calling individual residents to tell them to evacuate. Building collapses at @: The north part of the lobby, not far from the security desk, collapses into the garage. Shamoka is only a few feet away from the collapse, and the darkened lobby is filled with dust and acrid smells. The front door is locked for lack of power. She has no idea what has happened. Escapes and guides survivors @-@: Shamoka tries to escape through the valet window, but the porte-cochere has collapsed and is blocking her way. She re-enters the lobby and exits to find the the collapsed deck. Climbing down to the garage level, she encounters Ileana Monteagudo (611) and helps her climb out at @. Shamoka then encounters a family of four and helps them escape from the garage level. Assists police @: Shamoka climbs out of the garage and presents herself to assist the police at @. Her injuries include cracked ribs and bruises; she has to use crutches in the following days.
Timeline: Security Guard Shamoka Furman Activities at CTS on June 24, 2021 Hears a loud crash in the lobby that sounds like it came from the elevator shaft. 01:10 The fire alarm system logs Trouble as the deck collapses loudly, followed by rumbling. 01:15:29 The pull switch in the lobby is activated and the system logs Fire, which triggers the monitoring system. 01:15:49 Aborted 911 call with yelling in background. NOTE: This is the call Josh chose to feature in his video. 01:16:27 Central Alarm Control calls 911. 01:16:39 Aborted 911 call. 01:17:06 Aborted 911 call. 01:17:34 Calls 911 to report the emergency and the address. NOTE: Josh did NOT to use this call in his video. 01:17:49 Makes calls to individual residents to tell them to evacuate. >01:17:49 Building collapses. 01:22 Helps Ileana Monteagudo (611) and a family of four escape from the garage. 01:26 Presents herself to assist the police. 01:28
@@maud2739 You did that thing where you blame a collapse from years of neglect on a untrained lowly paid security guard. Grow up. Blame those responsible for the collapse, not nonsense about how a fire alarm in the middle of the night changes anything. It changes nothing.
I know for many, this channel has been the single light for many trying to make sense of what happened here. Thank you for this channel for everything they've done to explain the cause, and chain of events that lead to this tragedy.
Thank you for making this video, Josh. CTS is a tragic story that could have been prevented at many points in time, but sadly it wasn't. It's a story of corruption and incompetence from the very beginning - a shady disbarred character from Canada, an architecture/design firm with a poor reputation, a corrupt building department that didn't do its job, a poor design that used inadequately-sized columns with no column caps and a pool deck unwisely integrated into the building's core structure, very poor maintenance over four decades, heavy planter boxes installed on the deck that was never designed to carry those kinds of loads, construction next door causing further damage to the building, an incompetent HOA board seemingly more concerned with how the building lobby looked than with properly maintaining it, and in the last moments a security guard not trained for anything like what was happening who didn't pull the fire alarm after the pool deck collapsed - plus a lot of other things along the way. I will never set foot in ANY Florida high-rise condo. I hope this is was the last collapse we see down there, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is another one some day. RIP all those unfortunate souls who perished needlessly in this horrific but very preventable tragedy.
@@TheEmpressMouse I was about to say that myself. Training would probably not have helped that guard IMO. Having cost her employer a $500M+ settlement I think we can safely say she won't be guarding any buildings anytime soon. At least I hope not.
That guard has nothing to do with anything. All security guards are paid bottom dollar and are there to pretend you have security, one out of shape person in a guard shack is not security. The idea that he should have known the building was going to fall is stupid and anyone stating that is out of touch with reality. The only ones who knew how bad it was were with the engineering company. All other blame is with residents since they owned the building and were the ones ultimately not maintaining it and ignoring issues.
@@_PatrickO the pool deck collapsed, and pieces of the building were coming down like concrete rain. Unless the guard has an extremely low IQ it would be clear that the building was collapsing.
Amazing how you've reconstructed the story of the collapse over the course of last year. Watching your ongoing investigation has been harrowing but very informative as well. Whenever I spot cracks or rust or white fluid on a concrete ceiling or wall, I'm like: let's get the hell outta here!
The tragedy is that at so MANY points during this building's life, the deficiencies became apparent and could have been corrected, but never were. A fitting and sensitive final video in the CTS "series", thank you.
Thank you. One of the best ways to honor the memory of those who paid the ultimate price is to perform an honest, open, and complete analysis so that we may learn from the tragedy and safety can be improved going forward. Commercial aviation safety has improved greatly in large part because people feel safe to tell the whole truth without fear of reprisals; we could improve safety in many other sectors of our society if we could do the same such as construction, medicine, law enforcement, and so on. This summary is a good example.
I don't buy that airlines are truthful. Please see that accident where 9 people were sucked out of the plane. I believe 4-5 were either thrown into the engines or right into space. I remember this because one young man's parents preferred if he was obliterated into the engines, over just thrown out into nothing. This was the Dc-10 door lock flaw. They tried to blame the ground crew. When their own evidence showed it was their own design at fault. His parents got the material from them after the case was over. There wasn't enough left to prove for a fact who was pulled into the engines. They actually landed. I remember now.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Sooo… you say you don’t trust airlines, but then talk about “their” cargo door design, which wasn’t the airline, but the aircraft manufacturer. I don’t think you’ve got a clear and thorough enough understanding of aviation to be disputing the (absolutely true) statement that the aviation industry is safe because of how rigorously it investigates and reacts to incidents.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I think you are referring to United Flight 811, which was a Boeing 747, not a DC-10. Boeing already knew of a flaw in the doors and the FAA had issued an airworthiness directive to have it fixed. The NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) originally didn't have the cargo door (it was later found) to inspect, and so had to test doors in other aircraft to try to figure out what happened. Later, the cargo door was recovered, and United had an incident on the ground where a closed and locked cargo door opened on its own, which was traced to flaws in the electrical system. The NTSB issued a revised report based on the new evidence. The "airlines" (in this case you probably mean Boeing, the manufacturer) don't get to make determinations on their own. While the NTSB was wrong initially, their reports have to be based on the actual evidence they have at the time. They did know that theoretically, if the motors were to turn on, the locking sectors weren't strong enough to hold the door closed (the subject of the FAA airworthiness directive), but there were lockouts to prevent the motors from turning on if the door was properly closed. They did have the previous circumstance of the DC-10 door lock flaw, where ground crew using force to close and lock a door had damaged the locking mechanism. Saying that ground crew damaged the locking mechanism isn't "blaming the ground crew." That's just the first step. From there you go to the manufacturer ("fix your door so that the ground crew can't damage it"), and management of the airline (training of ground crews, making sure management doesn't penalize ground crews for scratching flights if the door won't close without force). That's the whole "without fear of reprisal" thing. People need to feel that they won't be fired if they shut the whole thing down because of something seemingly trivial.
RIP to all who so needlessly lost their lives that night, human and animal. This incident will always make me despairingly sad. I really despise corruption.
Your videos always impress me but this one is absolutely the best! You told the story of how this tragedy was put into motion decades ago and how one corrupt and greedy person can influence others like him. This story shows how much we individually can effect so many other people and their lives. I pray that we never see this type of preventable loss of life ever again. May the victims rest peacefully, and their families embrace the beautiful memories of having them in their lives so they can one day move past this incredible loss. Thank you for being the voice of sanity and educating your audience on the details of how and why this happened.
This is terribble that they have shifted the blame to the security firm. It was the designers, the engineers and the buidlign inspectors, and the building owners who were all to blame. Is every other condo building in Miami safe?
The settlement doesn't place blame. It just hands out money. The agreed $ amounts are generally based on the limits of each firms insurance. SECURITAS is an international security firm with a larger insurance policy.
@@joes2085 It doesn't legally assign blame, but it certainly implies it. Think Securitas just popped up and said "Hey, here's 500 mil, take it, it's no problem!" No fucking way...
@@philipcournoyer7024 she wasn't negligent but her employer definitely was. But the builders & those trying to convince the residents the building was still in "great shape" shoulder the most blame.
Very well put together! Thank you for this, it really helps me get my head around this tragedy. I hope the families of all affected can find healing and closure.
Literally nobody knew this was coming except Morabito, who didn't make it known to anyone else when they should've been informing all of the tenants what the situation was because it was their lives that were at risk. The front desk person didn't know the building was on the verge of collapsing or they would've thought to evacuate and/or tell emergency. If more people were aware of the situation with the deteriorating building then a lot more lives could've been saved even if nothing had been done to the building. I do also don't think Morabito might not have even understood that if the pool deck collapsed it would bring the whole building down. Maybe they only believed the pool deck was at risk. I can't believe it's already been a whole year. RIP to those who didn't make it.
Yes definitely, the lead engineer from Morabito had over two years to study the situation. He should have been aware of the potential for punching shear and should have realised that if the pool deck gave way then there was potential for the whole building to come down. And when the cracks started appearing around the edge of the pool deck he should have given the order to evacuate.
@@matt63m: Hindsight is always 20/20. We can blame Morabito for lot of stuff, but saying they should have known the pool deck will bring down the whole building is a stretch. If you look at the investigation over time, it took quite a while for the experts to figure out the mechanism behind that. Even seeing the report and knowing the building collapsed it was still not glaringly obviously to independent experts right away. So we cannot really call it *obvious*.
Josh, how many more times do we have to hear "so this never happens again" only for the large list of issues like this one to repeat again and again. R.I.P. and thank you Josh and your team.
I will never forget the moment I saw and watched this unfold. I may be half way around the world but it touched me deeply. So avoidable and unnecesary... very tragic. May the families left behind find peace.
Definitely feels surreal how close to home this was and to think that's everyone can see it happening but no one went to action. Now I'm paranoid every time I get in a large building
I'll never step foot into a tall building in Florida. With so many incompetent and inept people and organizations from the construction to the oversight... I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we continue to see more and more of these collapses happen. Each tall building in Florida is just a ticking time bomb.
The low-paid, minimally-trained security guard on-duty at the time, Shamoka Furman, was no worse than those found in 95% of condo lobbies, esp. graveyard shift. Let's face it, Duh HOA @ CTS cut corners everywhere, and ended up with an EPIC example of "you DON'T get what you DON'T pay for..." When this "WTF!?" UNprecedented bolt-from-the-blue event happened, she rallied, crawling through the valet window, and going BACK IN to rescue one or more victims. That her employer Securitas paid so much to the settlement--and so little to nothing to Ms. Furman--says a lot.
Saw this after I responded. I wholeheartedly agree. That poor lobby security guard should not be blamed. If anybody thought this building was going down, it should have been evacuated. I’m thinking Shamoka was never trained on “the sound of the pool deck collapsing and what to do”.
🇨🇦in 1980 my dad found a great deal renting a condo from Canadian tire owners in Florida. We got there and our condo was not done. But the builder put us up in other beautiful condos in the area. Big buildings right on the ocean beach. All fun and games….
Appears the condo board had never maintained adequate reserves from the beginning, nor did regular reserve studies. Not funding reserves incrementally over time means the repair costs have to be charged to the owners at when they happen, and the mostly non-wealthy ownesrs of CTS probably couldn't afford it. This whole story is a tragedy of failures at so many levels.
You confuse all the owners with the board of this condo. Like HOA, those boards tend to be dominated by "my property values" types. In this case the board was eager to spend money on visual improvements that increased the perceived value but not structural improvements connected with its safety. And there was a move afoot for several yeas among some of the owners to replace that board with one that would approve the needed structural repairs.
yeah i would be interested to know how much the HOA board and management company knew, if they received Morabito’s reports, if they read them, if they understood them. Anne is right, if the HOA had been funding reserves (long term savings) well before this, they might have been able to cover it. with reserves underfunded, the board would either implement an emergency special assessment or have the special assessment go out to vote of owners. many HOA processes take time too, a vote of members probably had a 60 or 90 day timeline which just pushes back the board’s time to take action. as for reserves, i don’t know if they did this or not but the HOA should have hired an expert reserve study preparer on a regular basis to assess the building components, which would have been another opportunity to reveal the structural deficiencies and budget for repairs.
@@Inkling777 Hardly. They were up against a backlash of property owners who probably couldn't afford or didn't want to pay for those repairs since they were going to be extremely expensive.
Very well done Josh. You communicated key overview elements and made it clear it was all about public safety and a respectful remembrance of the victims. Like most disasters, it was not caused by one failure. A chain of failures occurred, beginning with the building and inspection process 40 years ago. Stop one or two of these failures and the chain is broken. This video should be the intro to a semester long analysis of this disaster for structural engineering students. Heavy heavy price to pay that must never be forgotten.
The security guard probably had NO CLUE what was happening, that’s why she didn’t alarm residents. Sounds like most people who were there didn’t know exactly what happened immediately, including some first responders. This isn’t something we’re used to seeing in America. Josh, I love your channel, but I don’t think you should blame the guard. Remember, she helped an elderly resident out.
I saw the guard's mention presented more as this was just a smaller act that was the last chance these residents had to protect them from dying in the collapse.
@@margaretmclaren4685 ; I agree with you on this, but also would add that, in the future, it might be good to have procedures or sensors in-place to help another person put in that position to know what needs to be done and have the information in-front of them in some form to act in a more decisive manner. Just unfortunate all-around.
Yeah to me it seems like a terrible miscarriage of justice once again. And they want to blame the poor little security guard because that company carried a $500 million insurance policy, so let’s suck the money out of them rather than out of the people that might actually be responsible for the building collapsing.
Fire alarm system log and monitoring @-@: @ Logs Trouble. This is probably when the deck collapsed. In the lobby, it was a very loud crash followed by rumbling, dust, and car alarms. All they could see from the lobby was cars sticking up out of an “abyss.” @ Logs Fire from the activation of the lobby pull switch. Josh states Shamoka failed to activate it, but she is the only person who could have done so. This is the alarm that triggered monitoring to call 911. @ Central Alarm Control calls 911. Four 911 calls @-@: At @, Shamoka calls 911 and provides an accurate address and description of the emergency. This is after three aborted 911 calls (@, @, and @) where we can hear panicky residents screaming conflicting instructions at her as she tried to get the correct address. The Nirs were telling her to call it an earthquake. Shamoka called it an explosion downward. No one knew what had happened. Calls to residents @-@: After activating the fire alarm at @ and making the 911 calls at @, @, @, and @, Shamoka starts calling individual residents to tell them to evacuate. Building collapses at @: The north part of the lobby, not far from the security desk, collapses into the garage. Shamoka is only a few feet away from the collapse, and the darkened lobby is filled with dust and acrid smells. The front door is locked for lack of power. She has no idea what has happened. Escapes and guides survivors @-@: Shamoka tries to escape through the valet window, but the porte-cochere has collapsed and is blocking her way. She re-enters the lobby and exits to find the the collapsed deck. Climbing down to the garage level, she encounters Ileana Monteagudo (611) and helps her climb out at @. Shamoka then encounters a family of four and helps them escape from the garage level. Assists police @: Shamoka climbs out of the garage and presents herself to assist the police at @. Her injuries include cracked ribs and bruises; she has to use crutches in the following days.
Can't believe it has already been a year since this horrible tragedy occurred.I was consumed by it all last summer. I was actually earlier thinking about Surfside, not realizing that it was the one year anniversary. Excellent video, I learned a few things that I hadn't kept up on, like the settlements. You've done such an incredible job covering this tragedy and have learned a lot in the process, thank you, Josh!
The amount of work you have put in, the clear, concise yet detailed analysis and explanation are exceptional. I can think of no more fitting way to honor those who lost their lives than by helping all us, whether industry professionals or members of the public in general, to understand what happened and prevent something like this from happening again.
Thank you for the beautiful and respectful memorial and the summary of investigations and actions to-date. As an Architect I am continually watching our aging 1940's through 1980's structures wear over time I am just amazed at the size of the effort that just continues to be kicked down the curb to complete necessary investments into deferred maintenance items and on-going building upkeep. Keep up the advocacy and the great work you do; great channel.
Extremely well done video Josh, just like all your others. I can't believe that it has already been settled within 1 year. What happened to the Canadian lawyer? RIP to all those lost. 🙏
This fact literally makes me nauseated.... although not the least bit surprised. I remember your episode that looked deeper into what an absolute pile of steaming, rotten, slimy 💩 that guy was. So much blood on his hands. And, I doubt that the victims at CTS were the only ones to suffer/die from his vile actions in both countries. RIP to all. ❤️
This channel has been the only one I have watched for facts on this terrible tragedy. You bring facts and an education to the surface. Thank you for the time and dedication you have invested into this tragedy to show us all how it could have happened. Let's hope we learn from this and hopefully it never happens again.
I wonder how any other structures both in Florida and elsewhere were promoted, designed and built by sleazy operators and okayed by corrupt building officials. Thanks you Josh Porter for shining a spotlight on this tragedy and its causes.
I followed your channel when this happened. You did a great job at explaining things and I really appreciate you doing this for those of us who followed this most tragic event.
7:37 the Claridge at Pelican Bay. That’s a nice building I install the 3M window tint there. After surfside, they and many other buildings rushed to get started on repairs that had probably been planned for many years.
This video was a beautiful tribute to the lives lost in this tragedy. Thank you for your continued coverage of CTS, and I'm hoping we'll hear more from you when the NIST report finally drops.
Thank you for bringing us useful information. The time and effort you spent researching, analyzing and making all those videos is very much appreciated. Great job!
Timeline: Security Guard Shamoka Furman Activities at CTS on June 24, 2021 Hears a loud crash in the lobby that sounds like it came from the elevator shaft. 01:10 The fire alarm system logs Trouble as the deck collapses loudly, followed by rumbling. 01:15:29 The pull switch in the lobby is activated and the system logs Fire, which triggers the monitoring system. 01:15:49 Aborted 911 call with yelling in background. NOTE: This is the call Josh chose to feature in his video. 01:16:27 Central Alarm Control calls 911. 01:16:39 Aborted 911 call. 01:17:06 Aborted 911 call. 01:17:34 Calls 911 to report the emergency and the address. NOTE: Josh did NOT use this call in his video. 01:17:49 Makes calls to individual residents to tell them to evacuate. >01:17:49 Building collapses. 01:22 Helps Ileana Monteagudo (611) and a family of four escape from the garage. 01:26 Presents herself to assist the police. 01:28
You would be a terrible lawyer... You are trying, again and again and again, to prove the innocence of someone who, in terms of monetary damages, had been shown to be the MOST CULPABLE. She wasn't a superhero and probably not competent and she could have saved dozens of lives by simply opening her eyes and assessing the severity of the situation. The first time she called 911 she thought it was an earthquake for God's sake!
Thanks for repeatedly trying to present a more accurate timeline re what Furman was doing. I have tremendous respect for Josh and this channel but the phrasing used re Furman's actions/inactions was misleading.
@@crowfoot1199 Shamoka is a victim too. To abuse an untrained worker who did the best she could to save lives on the one-year anniversary of this devastating, debilitating experience is impossible to justify. I fervently hope she does not see this video, or the many hateful comments it has triggered, before Josh takes it down and revises it.
@@maudessen573 totally agree. Especially in light of the activation of the pull switch - I seem to recall hearing her say that she pulled the fire alarm but there was no noise (I don't recall which interview). Also she tried calling residents to warn them?? I just.. the way Josh presenting this info was really misleading.
@@crowfoot1199 A lot of people assume that a fire alarm is always wired to trigger an audible alarm and evacuation announcements. That is not how CTS’s fire alarm system worked. But when they read that residents heard no announcements or sirens, they assume that no one activated the fire alarm.
Thank you for bringing so much awareness to this issue and over all building safety. I have really enjoyed your channel since the beginning of the tower collapse. This is a beautiful tribute and round up of what happened.
For all of this building's failures, it performed amazingly well. It was obvious in 2018 that it needed urgent repairs, yet the building kept standing. It actually failed 2 weeks before the collapse, yet kept standing. The pool deck finally collapsed, taking critical columns with it, yet the building remained standing with the power on for another 7 minutes. A Building it is designed to protect its occupants. I'd argue that CTS actually did. Numerous people just ignored it. Engineers, contractors, architects, inspectors,etc. Any one of the people evacuating the building could have pulled a fire alarm, not just the security guard. They all failed to act. Now we know what happens when we fail to act. I also think we need to remember that the 1974 law requiring recertification every 40 years was because of another building collapse, in Miami, no less.
Around the 4:45 mark, the video makes it sound like the Champlain Tower collapsed during the construction of 187. The people who follow you know that is not the case, but you went from talking about cracks from the Vibro Hammer, to the pool deck collapsing without giving a sense of a date line. I really enjoy your Surfside videos.
Very nice Josh. Been following your videos since the disaster. Watching that building collapse again sunk my heart into my stomach, again. Thanks for all the education on this topic. The Lord’s blessings to the families and to you Josh!
Thank u for your hard work! When u shed light on the failures, it shows what steps can b taken before the next one occurs. Shoring and evacuation r two things that u mentioned that would have likely limited the deaths and saved the building. I have watched all your videos and c how u deal with corrosive water is so important with concrete. Correct drainage and waterproofing r the only things that will allow concrete to support the heavy loads these structures have. Thank again for the continuing education. Looking forward to more on Millennium Towers.
What I've learned after being on YT and so many "tragedies". They were almost all avoidable and there were always signs of catastrophic failure some good time before it happens but usually were ignored.
I appreicate all of the countless hours you have spent informing people like me. We just failed our building inspections. And thanks to your channel i am confident reading my inspection report. This is very close to the Surfside situation regards to the concrete being stretched and little rebar. We have also grade beams spalling and tons of rebar exposed. If it werent for you, I'd have no clue what that means. I sent your videos to my HOA.
Though I no longer live in Florida, I was born and raised there and the tragedy of CTS is something that I have followed closely this past year through your site here on You Tube. I do very much thank you for all the time, effort and hard work that you have put into keeping all of us informed as to what happened and to the many theories and possibilities of why it happened. Bless you Sir for this as it is so appreciated. I feel I'm learning quite a bit from you concerning the construction industry.
I lived in the Miami area from 1965-1978. By the last year or so, I was becoming increasingly agitated over the idea that I had to get out of there. I even convinced my father to take my stepmother and move (he went to Pt. Charlotte). Although I've never had the money to live in a condominium, I just felt so terribly uneasy about being in that area. I think that the general aura of corruption and people in positions of authority just not giving a damn about anything was behind all the weirdness I felt, but I'm glad I got out of there.
@@miriambucholtz9315 I was born and raised in NE Florida but the last 3 years I lived in Florida it was Key West due to having just married a man in the US Navy. Beautiful there but just not to my liking. I live happily in the North now and don't care to ever live in Florida again. I've never lived in a condo and I never will. I told my husband years ago he better understand that I would never live above the ground floor level of anything. In an emergency I want to be able to get outside to safety very easily and quickly. I'm not young anymore and it's one story or first floor level for me. Take care Miriam.
Thank you for everything you did to investigate and explain it all so well. I’ve watched some videos over and over so I truly understand it. The one with you going over the plans is my favorite one. I’m going to pay attention to columns from now on when I walk into a parking garage. I went all through my apartment complex building inside and out looking at everything. 😄 The online article from the Miami Herald had an audio recording made in the lab that simulates the sounds made by rebar failing one by one. I etched that in my memory.
I heard on local news tonight that no reason for the collapse has been found. You would think they would educate themselves before making that statement. Roanoke, Va. Thank you Josh, our educator.
Concrete grain silo collapse in Iowa this week killing one, same scenario I believe, long term decay of structure, exposing rebar eventually leading to failure. Thanks for the concise, factual explanation of events, both structural and procedural that led up to this horrible disaster.
If you want to know what rough grain silos can be, watch the closing section of Platoon. I thought those buildings looked familiar, they were in the middle of London, where London City Airport is now. When I worked for Schweppes, we stored our juices next door!
A mix of greed, lack of concern for your brothers and sisters, incompetence. So many signs and nothing was done. Yes, may it never happen again. May their souls Rest In Peace and may justice be done.
Hey Josh... Greetings from the UK. I am in no way related to or have any involvement in building, construction or engineering of any kind... However, I have been absolutely fascinated with your videos on CTS. I, of course, had head about the incident, and bar the first couple of days when it was in international news, I didn't hear any more on it. Then, I stumbled across one of your videos when I was down the CZcams wormhole one evening and wow... I have sat, more than once, with my mouth hanging open at the information you have shared. Information you have shared in a common sense, to a degree "layman's" terms, taking time to explain and annotate and illustrate to make it easier to understand... and again, WOW... Absolutely heartbreaking to see all the faces of those lost at the end, but my gosh what an absolute cluster-F that lead to this. THANK YOU for taking such time and dedication, to sharing all of this information, it has been absolutely intriguing to watch. Andi 🙂
Thanks for the recap. It's never just one thing that brings down a building, aircraft, ship, or industrial complex. It's a cascade of failures or oversights that starts sometimes well before the incident.
This is such an excellent video, comprehensive and easy to understand. Thank you so much for all your input on this disaster, your videos have been a huge part of my understanding of what happened. So awful and so sad, so many people dead...
For the questions about Securitas and the Security Guard. Deposition testimony revealed that the building was equipped with a single button security alarm intended to evacuate the building in an emergency. The security guard testified that she had never been trained on, and wasn't even aware that the button existed. In her testimony she stated that if she had known about the button, she would have hit it. I think the large pay out from Securitas is less about the guard's performance and more about the security firm's training practices.
Though keep in mind, all defending party insurer's decided to pay out on their policy limits instead of taking this to trial. Avoiding official guilt-placement was a large motivating factor for this decision. So the pay-outs do not necessarily imply guilt and we should remember that when looking at complex cases such as this.
In my younger days I worked for several companies as a security guard. Most times the alarm systems in places was not working or malfunctioning and really no one knew how the alarm system worked since it was the clients system. Very few times at the places I worked did the companies maintain the security system. In high fire risk places we was told just keep a water bottle on us and pour water on anything smoking. I have had to work new banks where the money was moved in but the alarm systems was not installed yet. If guards was not under a NDA at all times you would hear some crazy stories. Most guards are under paid, have little training, and are there to just to make insurance companies happy. Maybe it would be a good subject for a video in the future.
Thank you for clearly replying to this, as it seems it is a nearly direct response.
This explains more and I was not fully aware of the legal proceedings, which is why I left my comment intentionally open to not fully knowing all the details.
It could be the case she was not trained, or was advised it is best to say she wasn't (hindsight for everyone involved). I am not saying she lied, just pointing out possibilities.
I still think it is extreme for this large payout from Securitas, and might indicate a much larger internal issue. I doubt much will be involved in security training except maybe in Securitas if it still remains a company after. This is a one in a million issue(so far) in Florida and quite possibly the U.S. at least not involving earthquakes or other natural causes.
Well, very interesting information to ponder. I hope it is all taken seriously, but I think most of us know that only a handful of main points will be taken, and the others will blow away in the billion dollar wind.
I do want to thank you greatly for your content, and I appreciate all the work(even though it might sound like I was conflicting). I was just bringing up a noticeable point. I have watched your videos on this from the start, and you have been the best source of information. I would choose your company and you to provide services for me if I ever have the need in the future. Thank you for your private, and public service!
@@TravisAviation Securitas is a huge International secutity Company it will survive it has as of 2020 over 355000 employees I doubt that it will feel the loss of $500M.
Fire alarm system log and monitoring 01:15:29-01:16:39:
01:15:29 Logs Trouble. This is probably when the deck collapsed. In the lobby, it was a very loud crash followed by rumbling, dust, and car alarms. All they could see from the lobby was cars sticking up out of an “abyss.”
01:15:46 Logs Fire from the activation of the lobby pull switch. Josh states Shamoka failed to activate it, but she is the only person who could have done so. This is the alarm that triggered monitoring to call 911.
01:16:39 Central Alarm Control calls 911.
Four 911 calls 01:16:27-01:17:49:
At 01:17:49, Shamoka calls 911 and provides an accurate address and description of the emergency. This is after three aborted 911 calls (01:16:27, 01:17:06, and 01:17:34) where we can hear panicky residents screaming conflicting instructions at her as she tried to get the correct address. The Nirs were telling her to call it an earthquake. Shamoka called it an explosion downward. No one knew what had happened.
Calls to residents 1:18-1:22:
After activating the fire alarm at 01:15:46 and making the 911 calls at 01:16:27, 01:17:06, 01:17:34, and 01:17:49, Shamoka starts calling individual residents to tell them to evacuate.
Building collapses at 1:22:
The north part of the lobby, not far from the security desk, collapses into the garage. Shamoka is only a few feet away from the collapse, and the darkened lobby is filled with dust and acrid smells. The front door is locked for lack of power. She has no idea what has happened.
Escapes and guides survivors 1:22-1:27:
Shamoka tries to escape through the valet window, but the porte-cochere has collapsed and is blocking her way. She re-enters the lobby and exits to find the the collapsed deck. Climbing down to the garage level, she encounters Ileana Monteagudo (611) and helps her climb out at 01:26. Shamoka then encounters a family of four and helps them escape from the garage level.
Assists police 1:28:
Shamoka climbs out of the garage and presents herself to assist the police at 1:28. Her injuries include cracked ribs and bruises; she has to use crutches in the following days.
@@johnmccallum8512 I was not aware of the size of the company, and am sort of scared of that in this case. Does that mean they do not properly train all their employees?
Anyone who has worked for such a large company is probably saying yes. But sad to hear they will hardly have much of a loss here. Like I said in another reply, this will likely not happen again like this. I don't like to hear that they have half of the blame still(to pay), but I would rather them somehow have higher expectations or maybe more standardized certification requirements in security(which are probably there somewhat already).
Loose thoughts anyway...
It is hard to believe that it has been a year since this happened.
BUILDING INTEGRITY HAS NO INTEGRITY. That’s why this video blames the security guard. Frak this channel
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@@electrictroy2010 you got some pretty sus subscriptions there boy. and you spam the same comment multiple times...
i dunno man.
3 years now
I got out of my condo shortly after this happened. I had a baby due in a month and my husband was grilling outside and was moving a pot of hot water when his foot went through the deck. Meanwhile my basement kept flooding because of improper drainage outside my front yard and instead basically made it my problem to protect my basement.
Our HOA collected 600 in fees a few times a year to “put towards our decks” but let them get so bad that we could only do a few at a time. Several of us asked where our money went because there were many problems, increased fees with bare minimum changing and there were under 30 condos.
I will never rejoin an HOA or condo complex in my life. Glad I got out.
Yep, HOAs get to tell you how tall your grass can be on a Tuesday, can deny allowing you to build a shed in your backyard and can deny allowing you to replace your lawn with xeriscaping for easier upkeep. For a country that doesn't like being told what to do we sure do like having other people tell us what we can do with our own property.
My heart goes out to you! I have stayed on top of the coverage since the initial report of this happening that fateful night. So glad you got out safely!
The owners failed to do any building repair in 40 years, but the security company has to pay for most of the damages because the security guard failed to push a button in the very short time she had while the building was crumbling around her? WTF?
And the guard shouldn't have needed to push the fire alarm anyway, it should have started automatically due to all the broken sprinkler pipes.
If the building had held up a few years longer, of course the owners would have blamed the government for loosing their home after failing the 40 year inspection and getting emergency-evicted due to the immediate danger.
Or a loss in property value due to required disclosures when selling any condos.
Shamoka didn’t even know the button existed.
@@TheEmpressMouse I don't remember any written thing stating disclosure for future assessments, at least not in my state. I know you have to as owner. But verbal is nothing.
There might be one in the pile of lawyer stuff. Tho.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I’m not quite sure what you mean but here goes. In FL a sale of a condo requires full disclosure of any structural problems, a failed assessment, etc. Imagine trying to get a second mortgage, pull out equity, or sell it outright when the current owner paid $750,000 or more. But after everything is disclosed the value drops to $450,000. They might have had $100,000 in equity one day and be $200,000 under the next. But they still should’ve figured out something. The condo was supposed to have a large fund to be used for repairs/improvements. Where is it?
Building Integrity also said that a company should’ve been out there to shore it up to prevent collapse until something could be done. They decided to replace the roof first. For weeks before the collapse, residents remember the whole building vibrating due to the constant jackhammering everyday. I’m no engineer but vibrations throughout that building could not have helped.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 The association was ready to hire another company to come to estimate repairs so they could get bids and get it safe but someone(s) got the city building inspector to go to the association meeting. He told them they had a “healthy building” and not to worry for now. They then decided to wait a few more years before doing anything. Why would a city building inspector be at an association meeting? Who got him there? Anything exchanged? Seems so suspect. An investigation, indictment, trial, and imprisonment should be the inspector’s future. Building Integrity tells about it in an earlier video. The first estimate for costs came in at $12 million and a few years later it was $15 million.
This post-mortem is chilling. In hindsight, there were so many opportunities to change course and save this building and the lives sheltered within. My heart goes out to the community--they are all affected by this.
That’s how every disaster goes. Airplane crashes, industrial accidents, structural issues, etc. it isn’t a single event, it’s a series of events that individually are not catastrophic, but when the stars align and all those issues line up 💥
In hindsight, we are always pretty damn smart.
The problem is, 100% perfection is impossible, and even getting close to it is damn expensive, so we wouldn’t even have big buildings at all with that mentality. So we MUST take risks, balancing between costs and safety. We can’t over-reinforce everything beyond reason. But we can learn from past mistakes, to at least avoid repeating those, and gradually improving standards over time, wherever it is needed.
It means we will always have mistakes, but it should be rare, and less frequent over time. And it should always result in change of policies, so it is not repeated.
The problem is that these days, we are pretty good at building structures which never collapse, so it rarely happens… So when there are imminent signs of an actual collapse, it is not taken seriously. Like in this case…
the planning of the future at the beginning of the 20th century was planned to build over and over again .it is not only the devices , it is the whole scene
@@qwerty112311 Yeah, there are a lot of stars out there, and it is impossible to prepare for all possible such alignments…
The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history.
Quite sad that they scapegoated the security company for half the damages. A lone security guard cannot be blamed for any part of a building failure. This is why bad people do what they do, they can weasel out of damages and have a net gain overall.
Fire alarm system log and monitoring @-@:
@ Logs Trouble. This is probably when the deck collapsed. In the lobby, it was a very loud crash followed by rumbling, dust, and car alarms. All they could see from the lobby was cars sticking up out of an “abyss.”
@ Logs Fire from the activation of the lobby pull switch. Josh states Shamoka failed to activate it, but she is the only person who could have done so. This is the alarm that triggered monitoring to call 911.
@ Central Alarm Control calls 911.
Four 911 calls @-@:
At @, Shamoka calls 911 and provides an accurate address and description of the emergency. This is after three aborted 911 calls (@, @, and @) where we can hear panicky residents screaming conflicting instructions at her as she tried to get the correct address. The Nirs were telling her to call it an earthquake. Shamoka called it an explosion downward. No one knew what had happened.
Calls to residents @-@:
After activating the fire alarm at @ and making the 911 calls at @, @, @, and @, Shamoka starts calling individual residents to tell them to evacuate.
Building collapses at @:
The north part of the lobby, not far from the security desk, collapses into the garage. Shamoka is only a few feet away from the collapse, and the darkened lobby is filled with dust and acrid smells. The front door is locked for lack of power. She has no idea what has happened.
Escapes and guides survivors @-@:
Shamoka tries to escape through the valet window, but the porte-cochere has collapsed and is blocking her way. She re-enters the lobby and exits to find the the collapsed deck. Climbing down to the garage level, she encounters Ileana Monteagudo (611) and helps her climb out at @. Shamoka then encounters a family of four and helps them escape from the garage level.
Assists police @:
Shamoka climbs out of the garage and presents herself to assist the police at @. Her injuries include cracked ribs and bruises; she has to use crutches in the following days.
Timeline: Security Guard Shamoka Furman Activities at CTS on June 24, 2021
Hears a loud crash in the lobby that sounds like it came from the elevator shaft. 01:10
The fire alarm system logs Trouble as the deck collapses loudly, followed by rumbling. 01:15:29
The pull switch in the lobby is activated and the system logs Fire, which triggers the monitoring system. 01:15:49
Aborted 911 call with yelling in background. NOTE: This is the call Josh chose to feature in his video. 01:16:27
Central Alarm Control calls 911. 01:16:39
Aborted 911 call. 01:17:06
Aborted 911 call. 01:17:34
Calls 911 to report the emergency and the address. NOTE: Josh did NOT to use this call in his video. 01:17:49
Makes calls to individual residents to tell them to evacuate. >01:17:49
Building collapses. 01:22
Helps Ileana Monteagudo (611) and a family of four escape from the garage. 01:26
Presents herself to assist the police. 01:28
@@maud2739 Sorry…copy and paste fail. See next reply.
@@maud2739 You did that thing where you blame a collapse from years of neglect on a untrained lowly paid security guard. Grow up. Blame those responsible for the collapse, not nonsense about how a fire alarm in the middle of the night changes anything. It changes nothing.
@@_PatrickO You are mistaking me for Josh Porter. I posted data to prove that Shamoka Furman is a hero.
Beautiful job, Josh. Thank you for the countless hours you’ve put into the CTS series over the past year.
Thank you Joe
I know for many, this channel has been the single light for many trying to make sense of what happened here. Thank you for this channel for everything they've done to explain the cause, and chain of events that lead to this tragedy.
Thank you for making this video, Josh.
CTS is a tragic story that could have been prevented at many points in time, but sadly it wasn't. It's a story of corruption and incompetence from the very beginning - a shady disbarred character from Canada, an architecture/design firm with a poor reputation, a corrupt building department that didn't do its job, a poor design that used inadequately-sized columns with no column caps and a pool deck unwisely integrated into the building's core structure, very poor maintenance over four decades, heavy planter boxes installed on the deck that was never designed to carry those kinds of loads, construction next door causing further damage to the building, an incompetent HOA board seemingly more concerned with how the building lobby looked than with properly maintaining it, and in the last moments a security guard not trained for anything like what was happening who didn't pull the fire alarm after the pool deck collapsed - plus a lot of other things along the way.
I will never set foot in ANY Florida high-rise condo. I hope this is was the last collapse we see down there, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is another one some day.
RIP all those unfortunate souls who perished needlessly in this horrific but very preventable tragedy.
Yes, that guard was incompetent. Maybe training would help but that 911 phone call was pathetic.
Oh yeah, the lobby. They were putting lipstick on a pig. It’s still a pig.
@@TheEmpressMouse I was about to say that myself. Training would probably not have helped that guard IMO. Having cost her employer a $500M+ settlement I think we can safely say she won't be guarding any buildings anytime soon. At least I hope not.
That guard has nothing to do with anything. All security guards are paid bottom dollar and are there to pretend you have security, one out of shape person in a guard shack is not security. The idea that he should have known the building was going to fall is stupid and anyone stating that is out of touch with reality.
The only ones who knew how bad it was were with the engineering company. All other blame is with residents since they owned the building and were the ones ultimately not maintaining it and ignoring issues.
@@_PatrickO the pool deck collapsed, and pieces of the building were coming down like concrete rain. Unless the guard has an extremely low IQ it would be clear that the building was collapsing.
You covered more in one video than all the news channels combined over a year. Thanks!
BUILDING INTEGRITY HAS NO INTEGRITY. That’s why this video blames the security guard. Frak this channel
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Amazing how you've reconstructed the story of the collapse over the course of last year. Watching your ongoing investigation has been harrowing but very informative as well. Whenever I spot cracks or rust or white fluid on a concrete ceiling or wall, I'm like: let's get the hell outta here!
Not necessarily white fluid, but dust too.
The tragedy is that at so MANY points during this building's life, the deficiencies became apparent and could have been corrected, but never were.
A fitting and sensitive final video in the CTS "series", thank you.
Thank you. One of the best ways to honor the memory of those who paid the ultimate price is to perform an honest, open, and complete analysis so that we may learn from the tragedy and safety can be improved going forward. Commercial aviation safety has improved greatly in large part because people feel safe to tell the whole truth without fear of reprisals; we could improve safety in many other sectors of our society if we could do the same such as construction, medicine, law enforcement, and so on. This summary is a good example.
I don't buy that airlines are truthful. Please see that accident where 9 people were sucked out of the plane. I believe 4-5 were either thrown into the engines or right into space.
I remember this because one young man's parents preferred if he was obliterated into the engines, over just thrown out into nothing.
This was the Dc-10 door lock flaw. They tried to blame the ground crew. When their own evidence showed it was their own design at fault. His parents got the material from them after the case was over.
There wasn't enough left to prove for a fact who was pulled into the engines.
They actually landed. I remember now.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Sooo… you say you don’t trust airlines, but then talk about “their” cargo door design, which wasn’t the airline, but the aircraft manufacturer. I don’t think you’ve got a clear and thorough enough understanding of aviation to be disputing the (absolutely true) statement that the aviation industry is safe because of how rigorously it investigates and reacts to incidents.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I think you are referring to United Flight 811, which was a Boeing 747, not a DC-10. Boeing already knew of a flaw in the doors and the FAA had issued an airworthiness directive to have it fixed. The NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) originally didn't have the cargo door (it was later found) to inspect, and so had to test doors in other aircraft to try to figure out what happened. Later, the cargo door was recovered, and United had an incident on the ground where a closed and locked cargo door opened on its own, which was traced to flaws in the electrical system. The NTSB issued a revised report based on the new evidence.
The "airlines" (in this case you probably mean Boeing, the manufacturer) don't get to make determinations on their own. While the NTSB was wrong initially, their reports have to be based on the actual evidence they have at the time. They did know that theoretically, if the motors were to turn on, the locking sectors weren't strong enough to hold the door closed (the subject of the FAA airworthiness directive), but there were lockouts to prevent the motors from turning on if the door was properly closed. They did have the previous circumstance of the DC-10 door lock flaw, where ground crew using force to close and lock a door had damaged the locking mechanism.
Saying that ground crew damaged the locking mechanism isn't "blaming the ground crew." That's just the first step. From there you go to the manufacturer ("fix your door so that the ground crew can't damage it"), and management of the airline (training of ground crews, making sure management doesn't penalize ground crews for scratching flights if the door won't close without force). That's the whole "without fear of reprisal" thing. People need to feel that they won't be fired if they shut the whole thing down because of something seemingly trivial.
RIP to all who so needlessly lost their lives that night, human and animal. This incident will always make me despairingly sad. I really despise corruption.
Your videos always impress me but this one is absolutely the best! You told the story of how this tragedy was put into motion decades ago and how one corrupt and greedy person can influence others like him. This story shows how much we individually can effect so many other people and their lives. I pray that we never see this type of preventable loss of life ever again. May the victims rest peacefully, and their families embrace the beautiful memories of having them in their lives so they can one day move past this incredible loss. Thank you for being the voice of sanity and educating your audience on the details of how and why this happened.
“… fled Canada …” - that alone told me the residents were scrwd before the foundation was even poured.
This is terribble that they have shifted the blame to the security firm.
It was the designers, the engineers and the buidlign inspectors, and the building owners who were all to blame.
Is every other condo building in Miami safe?
No, not every building... The vast majority are safe, surely.
Thanks i didn't know this the Security Guard was negligent
But she didn't cause the Champlain to collapse
The settlement doesn't place blame. It just hands out money. The agreed $ amounts are generally based on the limits of each firms insurance. SECURITAS is an international security firm with a larger insurance policy.
@@joes2085 It doesn't legally assign blame, but it certainly implies it. Think Securitas just popped up and said "Hey, here's 500 mil, take it, it's no problem!" No fucking way...
@@philipcournoyer7024 she wasn't negligent but her employer definitely was. But the builders & those trying to convince the residents the building was still in "great shape" shoulder the most blame.
Can you imagine how Morabito felt the moment he heard the building went down?
Very well put together! Thank you for this, it really helps me get my head around this tragedy. I hope the families of all affected can find healing and closure.
Literally nobody knew this was coming except Morabito, who didn't make it known to anyone else when they should've been informing all of the tenants what the situation was because it was their lives that were at risk. The front desk person didn't know the building was on the verge of collapsing or they would've thought to evacuate and/or tell emergency. If more people were aware of the situation with the deteriorating building then a lot more lives could've been saved even if nothing had been done to the building. I do also don't think Morabito might not have even understood that if the pool deck collapsed it would bring the whole building down. Maybe they only believed the pool deck was at risk. I can't believe it's already been a whole year. RIP to those who didn't make it.
And that's why their surveyor should be on negligence manslaughter charges.
Yes definitely, the lead engineer from
Morabito had over two years to study the situation. He should have been aware of the potential for punching shear and should have realised that if the pool deck gave way then there was potential for the whole building to come down. And when the cracks started appearing around the edge of the pool deck he should have given the order to evacuate.
@@matt63m: Hindsight is always 20/20. We can blame Morabito for lot of stuff, but saying they should have known the pool deck will bring down the whole building is a stretch.
If you look at the investigation over time, it took quite a while for the experts to figure out the mechanism behind that.
Even seeing the report and knowing the building collapsed it was still not glaringly obviously to independent experts right away.
So we cannot really call it *obvious*.
Josh, how many more times do we have to hear "so this never happens again" only for the large list of issues like this one to repeat again and again. R.I.P. and thank you Josh and your team.
I will never forget the moment I saw and watched this unfold. I may be half way around the world but it touched me deeply. So avoidable and unnecesary... very tragic. May the families left behind find peace.
Definitely feels surreal how close to home this was and to think that's everyone can see it happening but no one went to action. Now I'm paranoid every time I get in a large building
I'll never step foot into a tall building in Florida. With so many incompetent and inept people and organizations from the construction to the oversight... I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we continue to see more and more of these collapses happen. Each tall building in Florida is just a ticking time bomb.
Same here...
Look out for old landlords. They never want to spend any money. That's my experience
Thank you Josh for the thoughtful 1 year memorial episode .
And thank you for all the time to create the excellent episodes during the past year .
The low-paid, minimally-trained security guard on-duty at the time, Shamoka Furman, was no worse than those found in 95% of condo lobbies, esp. graveyard shift. Let's face it, Duh HOA @ CTS cut corners everywhere, and ended up with an EPIC example of "you DON'T get what you DON'T pay for..."
When this "WTF!?" UNprecedented bolt-from-the-blue event happened, she rallied, crawling through the valet window, and going BACK IN to rescue one or more victims. That her employer Securitas paid so much to the settlement--and so little to nothing to Ms. Furman--says a lot.
Saw this after I responded. I wholeheartedly agree. That poor lobby security guard should not be blamed. If anybody thought this building was going down, it should have been evacuated. I’m thinking Shamoka was never trained on “the sound of the pool deck collapsing and what to do”.
@@shannon1446 Does it take specific training to know that when a big chunk of your property fall down go boom you need to hit the big red button???
@@sootikins she heard a loud noise, and did not know what it meant.
@@nnelg8139 Well, she had eyes, right. I'm sure she had access to a flashlight...
@@shannon1446 Shamoka is now flipping burgers, the only job she's barely qualified for...
🇨🇦in 1980 my dad found a great deal renting a condo from Canadian tire owners in Florida. We got there and our condo was not done. But the builder put us up in other beautiful condos in the area. Big buildings right on the ocean beach. All fun and games….
Not mentioned was the resistance to the owners to having to pay for the necessary repairs.
So any apartment complex anywhere in the country?
Appears the condo board had never maintained adequate reserves from the beginning, nor did regular reserve studies. Not funding reserves incrementally over time means the repair costs have to be charged to the owners at when they happen, and the mostly non-wealthy ownesrs of CTS probably couldn't afford it. This whole story is a tragedy of failures at so many levels.
You confuse all the owners with the board of this condo. Like HOA, those boards tend to be dominated by "my property values" types. In this case the board was eager to spend money on visual improvements that increased the perceived value but not structural improvements connected with its safety. And there was a move afoot for several yeas among some of the owners to replace that board with one that would approve the needed structural repairs.
yeah i would be interested to know how much the HOA board and management company knew, if they received Morabito’s reports, if they read them, if they understood them. Anne is right, if the HOA had been funding reserves (long term savings) well before this, they might have been able to cover it. with reserves underfunded, the board would either implement an emergency special assessment or have the special assessment go out to vote of owners. many HOA processes take time too, a vote of members probably had a 60 or 90 day timeline which just pushes back the board’s time to take action. as for reserves, i don’t know if they did this or not but the HOA should have hired an expert reserve study preparer on a regular basis to assess the building components, which would have been another opportunity to reveal the structural deficiencies and budget for repairs.
@@Inkling777 Hardly. They were up against a backlash of property owners who probably couldn't afford or didn't want to pay for those repairs since they were going to be extremely expensive.
Very well done Josh. You communicated key overview elements and made it clear it was all about public safety and a respectful remembrance of the victims. Like most disasters, it was not caused by one failure. A chain of failures occurred, beginning with the building and inspection process 40 years ago. Stop one or two of these failures and the chain is broken.
This video should be the intro to a semester long analysis of this disaster for structural engineering students. Heavy heavy price to pay that must never be forgotten.
Thanks for your professional analysis of this tragedy, Josh. It has been illuminating and this video provides a respectful bookend to the sorry tale.
The security guard probably had NO CLUE what was happening, that’s why she didn’t alarm residents. Sounds like most people who were there didn’t know exactly what happened immediately, including some first responders. This isn’t something we’re used to seeing in America. Josh, I love your channel, but I don’t think you should blame the guard. Remember, she helped an elderly resident out.
Because she was fucking stoned and dead asleep...
I saw the guard's mention presented more as this was just a smaller act that was the last chance these residents had to protect them from dying in the collapse.
@@margaretmclaren4685 ; I agree with you on this, but also would add that, in the future, it might be good to have procedures or sensors in-place to help another person put in that position to know what needs to be done and have the information in-front of them in some form to act in a more decisive manner. Just unfortunate all-around.
Yeah to me it seems like a terrible miscarriage of justice once again. And they want to blame the poor little security guard because that company carried a $500 million insurance policy, so let’s suck the money out of them rather than out of the people that might actually be responsible for the building collapsing.
Fire alarm system log and monitoring @-@:
@ Logs Trouble. This is probably when the deck collapsed. In the lobby, it was a very loud crash followed by rumbling, dust, and car alarms. All they could see from the lobby was cars sticking up out of an “abyss.”
@ Logs Fire from the activation of the lobby pull switch. Josh states Shamoka failed to activate it, but she is the only person who could have done so. This is the alarm that triggered monitoring to call 911.
@ Central Alarm Control calls 911.
Four 911 calls @-@:
At @, Shamoka calls 911 and provides an accurate address and description of the emergency. This is after three aborted 911 calls (@, @, and @) where we can hear panicky residents screaming conflicting instructions at her as she tried to get the correct address. The Nirs were telling her to call it an earthquake. Shamoka called it an explosion downward. No one knew what had happened.
Calls to residents @-@:
After activating the fire alarm at @ and making the 911 calls at @, @, @, and @, Shamoka starts calling individual residents to tell them to evacuate.
Building collapses at @:
The north part of the lobby, not far from the security desk, collapses into the garage. Shamoka is only a few feet away from the collapse, and the darkened lobby is filled with dust and acrid smells. The front door is locked for lack of power. She has no idea what has happened.
Escapes and guides survivors @-@:
Shamoka tries to escape through the valet window, but the porte-cochere has collapsed and is blocking her way. She re-enters the lobby and exits to find the the collapsed deck. Climbing down to the garage level, she encounters Ileana Monteagudo (611) and helps her climb out at @. Shamoka then encounters a family of four and helps them escape from the garage level.
Assists police @:
Shamoka climbs out of the garage and presents herself to assist the police at @. Her injuries include cracked ribs and bruises; she has to use crutches in the following days.
Can't believe it has already been a year since this horrible tragedy occurred.I was consumed by it all last summer. I was actually earlier thinking about Surfside, not realizing that it was the one year anniversary. Excellent video, I learned a few things that I hadn't kept up on, like the settlements. You've done such an incredible job covering this tragedy and have learned a lot in the process, thank you, Josh!
The amount of work you have put in, the clear, concise yet detailed analysis and explanation are exceptional. I can think of no more fitting way to honor those who lost their lives than by helping all us, whether industry professionals or members of the public in general, to understand what happened and prevent something like this from happening again.
Josh, there are reports that the guard pulled the FIRE alarm but not the recently installed ALL-CALL alarm. Maybe an edit is warranted.
I was in the hospital having my first child. What a crazy day. I couldnt even comprehend it on the news at that time
Thank you Josh, for the knowledge and insight you provided this last year. I pray that many lessons have been learned. May those souls RIP.
I hope so as well
Thank you for the beautiful and respectful memorial and the summary of investigations and actions to-date. As an Architect I am continually watching our aging 1940's through 1980's structures wear over time I am just amazed at the size of the effort that just continues to be kicked down the curb to complete necessary investments into deferred maintenance items and on-going building upkeep. Keep up the advocacy and the great work you do; great channel.
I'm attending the memorial today. Its heart wrenching.
Extremely well done video Josh, just like all your others. I can't believe that it has already been settled within 1 year. What happened to the Canadian lawyer? RIP to all those lost. 🙏
He was given a key to the city and passed away with a reputation as a successful developer and philanthropist.
@@BuildingIntegrity it is a tragedy that hindsight is 20/20. Thanks again. 👍
This fact literally makes me nauseated.... although not the least bit surprised. I remember your episode that looked deeper into what an absolute pile of steaming, rotten, slimy 💩 that guy was. So much blood on his hands. And, I doubt that the victims at CTS were the only ones to suffer/die from his vile actions in both countries. RIP to all. ❤️
@@BuildingIntegrity his reputation isn't so rosy now but too late for all the lives lost.
Great production! Thank you!
This channel has been the only one I have watched for facts on this terrible tragedy. You bring facts and an education to the surface. Thank you for the time and dedication you have invested into this tragedy to show us all how it could have happened. Let's hope we learn from this and hopefully it never happens again.
I wonder how any other structures both in Florida and elsewhere were promoted, designed and built by sleazy operators and okayed by corrupt building officials. Thanks you Josh Porter for shining a spotlight on this tragedy and its causes.
Perfectly done Josh! All your videos on CTS have been pro level and informative. This one perfectly captures the executive summary. GREAT JOB!
I followed your channel when this happened. You did a great job at explaining things and I really appreciate you doing this for those of us who followed this most tragic event.
7:37 the Claridge at Pelican Bay. That’s a nice building I install the 3M window tint there. After surfside, they and many other buildings rushed to get started on repairs that had probably been planned for many years.
This video was a beautiful tribute to the lives lost in this tragedy. Thank you for your continued coverage of CTS, and I'm hoping we'll hear more from you when the NIST report finally drops.
Thank you for the video. You have done an amazing job and I'm glad I found your channel a little over a year ago.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for bringing us useful information. The time and effort you spent researching, analyzing and making all those videos is very much appreciated. Great job!
Timeline: Security Guard Shamoka Furman Activities at CTS on June 24, 2021
Hears a loud crash in the lobby that sounds like it came from the elevator shaft. 01:10
The fire alarm system logs Trouble as the deck collapses loudly, followed by rumbling. 01:15:29
The pull switch in the lobby is activated and the system logs Fire, which triggers the monitoring system. 01:15:49
Aborted 911 call with yelling in background. NOTE: This is the call Josh chose to feature in his video. 01:16:27
Central Alarm Control calls 911. 01:16:39
Aborted 911 call. 01:17:06
Aborted 911 call. 01:17:34
Calls 911 to report the emergency and the address. NOTE: Josh did NOT use this call in his video. 01:17:49
Makes calls to individual residents to tell them to evacuate. >01:17:49
Building collapses. 01:22
Helps Ileana Monteagudo (611) and a family of four escape from the garage. 01:26
Presents herself to assist the police. 01:28
You would be a terrible lawyer... You are trying, again and again and again, to prove the innocence of someone who, in terms of monetary damages, had been shown to be the MOST CULPABLE.
She wasn't a superhero and probably not competent and she could have saved dozens of lives by simply opening her eyes and assessing the severity of the situation. The first time she called 911 she thought it was an earthquake for God's sake!
Thanks for repeatedly trying to present a more accurate timeline re what Furman was doing. I have tremendous respect for Josh and this channel but the phrasing used re Furman's actions/inactions was misleading.
@@crowfoot1199 Shamoka is a victim too. To abuse an untrained worker who did the best she could to save lives on the one-year anniversary of this devastating, debilitating experience is impossible to justify. I fervently hope she does not see this video, or the many hateful comments it has triggered, before Josh takes it down and revises it.
@@maudessen573 totally agree. Especially in light of the activation of the pull switch - I seem to recall hearing her say that she pulled the fire alarm but there was no noise (I don't recall which interview). Also she tried calling residents to warn them?? I just.. the way Josh presenting this info was really misleading.
@@crowfoot1199 A lot of people assume that a fire alarm is always wired to trigger an audible alarm and evacuation announcements. That is not how CTS’s fire alarm system worked. But when they read that residents heard no announcements or sirens, they assume that no one activated the fire alarm.
This was really well done, as was each video you completed leading up to this. Devastating. Thank you for your hard work.
Thank you for bringing so much awareness to this issue and over all building safety. I have really enjoyed your channel since the beginning of the tower collapse.
This is a beautiful tribute and round up of what happened.
Wow, can't believe it's been a year already. Thank you for all your effort analyzing and explaining the findings around this building!
For all of this building's failures, it performed amazingly well. It was obvious in 2018 that it needed urgent repairs, yet the building kept standing. It actually failed 2 weeks before the collapse, yet kept standing. The pool deck finally collapsed, taking critical columns with it, yet the building remained standing with the power on for another 7 minutes. A Building it is designed to protect its occupants. I'd argue that CTS actually did. Numerous people just ignored it. Engineers, contractors, architects, inspectors,etc. Any one of the people evacuating the building could have pulled a fire alarm, not just the security guard. They all failed to act. Now we know what happens when we fail to act.
I also think we need to remember that the 1974 law requiring recertification every 40 years was because of another building collapse, in Miami, no less.
Brilliant Video Josh , thank you 🙏
Around the 4:45 mark, the video makes it sound like the Champlain Tower collapsed during the construction of 187. The people who follow you know that is not the case, but you went from talking about cracks from the Vibro Hammer, to the pool deck collapsing without giving a sense of a date line. I really enjoy your Surfside videos.
Very nice Josh. Been following your videos since the disaster. Watching that building collapse again sunk my heart into my stomach, again. Thanks for all the education on this topic. The Lord’s blessings to the families and to you Josh!
Thank you for your amazing reporting over the last year. I salute you, Sir.
Thank u for your hard work! When u shed light on the failures, it shows what steps can b taken before the next one occurs. Shoring and evacuation r two things that u mentioned that would have likely limited the deaths and saved the building. I have watched all your videos and c how u deal with corrosive water is so important with concrete. Correct drainage and waterproofing r the only things that will allow concrete to support the heavy loads these structures have. Thank again for the continuing education. Looking forward to more on Millennium Towers.
Very well done. Our thoughts and prayers for the families of those lost and the survivors,
What I've learned after being on YT and so many "tragedies". They were almost all avoidable and there were always signs of catastrophic failure some good time before it happens but usually were ignored.
I appreciate your in depth analysis as I have been following your updates since this occurred.
I appreicate all of the countless hours you have spent informing people like me. We just failed our building inspections. And thanks to your channel i am confident reading my inspection report. This is very close to the Surfside situation regards to the concrete being stretched and little rebar. We have also grade beams spalling and tons of rebar exposed. If it werent for you, I'd have no clue what that means. I sent your videos to my HOA.
Though I no longer live in Florida, I was born and raised there and the tragedy of CTS is something that I have followed closely this past year through your site here on You Tube. I do very much thank you for all the time, effort and hard work that you have put into keeping all of us informed as to what happened and to the many theories and possibilities of why it happened. Bless you Sir for this as it is so appreciated. I feel I'm learning quite a bit from you concerning the construction industry.
I lived in the Miami area from 1965-1978. By the last year or so, I was becoming increasingly agitated over the idea that I had to get out of there. I even convinced my father to take my stepmother and move (he went to Pt. Charlotte). Although I've never had the money to live in a condominium, I just felt so terribly uneasy about being in that area. I think that the general aura of corruption and people in positions of authority just not giving a damn about anything was behind all the weirdness I felt, but I'm glad I got out of there.
@@miriambucholtz9315 I was born and raised in NE Florida but the last 3 years I lived in Florida it was Key West due to having just married a man in the US Navy. Beautiful there but just not to my liking. I live happily in the North now and don't care to ever live in Florida again. I've never lived in a condo and I never will. I told my husband years ago he better understand that I would never live above the ground floor level of anything. In an emergency I want to be able to get outside to safety very easily and quickly. I'm not young anymore and it's one story or first floor level for me. Take care Miriam.
This is a fantastic video Josh, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I love your channel. This is a beautiful memorial to those poor people.
Amazing tribute Josh! Keep up the great work.
Thank you for everything you did to investigate and explain it all so well. I’ve watched some videos over and over so I truly understand it. The one with you going over the plans is my favorite one. I’m going to pay attention to columns from now on when I walk into a parking garage. I went all through my apartment complex building inside and out looking at everything. 😄 The online article from the Miami Herald had an audio recording made in the lab that simulates the sounds made by rebar failing one by one. I etched that in my memory.
I heard on local news tonight that no reason for the collapse has been found. You would think they would educate themselves before making that statement. Roanoke, Va.
Thank you Josh, our educator.
Concrete grain silo collapse in Iowa this week killing one, same scenario I believe, long term decay of structure, exposing rebar eventually leading to failure. Thanks for the concise, factual explanation of events, both structural and procedural that led up to this horrible disaster.
If you want to know what rough grain silos can be, watch the closing section of Platoon. I thought those buildings looked familiar, they were in the middle of London, where London City Airport is now. When I worked for Schweppes, we stored our juices next door!
Great tribute. Thank you.
The tribute is beautiful. Rest in peace precious souls. God bless you for all you do Josh. ❤🙏
Just attended a lecture of a forensic engineer who was assigned to this site! Thank you for the in-depth context.
Thank you for sharing this video in tribute to the victims.
Excellent and concise video. We appreciate all of your hard work on this. Solemn prayers here, for all involved.
Much appreciated. Thanks for watching Russ!
thank you for the summary! I didn't expect to see so many young faces in the memorial at the end, that's extremely heartbreaking...
well done, sir. On this video and on this whole year of hard work. Bravo! Take a bow.
A mix of greed, lack of concern for your brothers and sisters, incompetence. So many signs and nothing was done. Yes, may it never happen again. May their souls Rest In Peace and may justice be done.
Thanks for this info and remembering the victims that died and the victims that lived and their trauma
Nicely done! Thank you.
Thank you, Josh, for this moving memorial to the lives lost one year ago today.
Your channel is one of the best construction channels on youtube. Its nice to see that some people actually care.
Thank you for this respectful and insightful recap of the event.
Hey Josh... Greetings from the UK. I am in no way related to or have any involvement in building, construction or engineering of any kind... However, I have been absolutely fascinated with your videos on CTS. I, of course, had head about the incident, and bar the first couple of days when it was in international news, I didn't hear any more on it. Then, I stumbled across one of your videos when I was down the CZcams wormhole one evening and wow... I have sat, more than once, with my mouth hanging open at the information you have shared. Information you have shared in a common sense, to a degree "layman's" terms, taking time to explain and annotate and illustrate to make it easier to understand... and again, WOW... Absolutely heartbreaking to see all the faces of those lost at the end, but my gosh what an absolute cluster-F that lead to this. THANK YOU for taking such time and dedication, to sharing all of this information, it has been absolutely intriguing to watch. Andi 🙂
Thank you, excellent synopsis of a unfortunate event.
Great job as usual!
On Point !
As Usual !
Thank you for your integrity !
Excellent summary, well done and thank you again.
Great job, Josh! You rock.
Tragic story, excellent video. Thanks Josh.
Thank you for this video. In peace we all hope they rest.
I love that you did this, Josh!
Thanks for the recap. It's never just one thing that brings down a building, aircraft, ship, or industrial complex. It's a cascade of failures or oversights that starts sometimes well before the incident.
What a beautiful presentation. I love the addition of the pics in remembrance. Rest in God's loving embrace ♥️
This is such an excellent video, comprehensive and easy to understand. Thank you so much for all your input on this disaster, your videos have been a huge part of my understanding of what happened. So awful and so sad, so many people dead...
May God comfort the families of those who perished. My sincerest condolences. Thank you for this thoughtful story.
I've been following all your work on CTS failure. Great job.
Professor…your best video yet…GOD BLESS
Thank you, very well done
Well done. Nicely concise summary of the saga.
Clear and simpler. Thank you.
Thank you Josh! I do hope all your input into the new laws will stop this from happening again.