Wilde vs. Queensberry
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Wilde (1997), clip with Stephen Fry and Tom Wilkinson and Jude Law, at about the 50:00 mark of the original movie. Segment used in a Rhetoric class to show an on-screen bit of argument, discuss the meaning of libel and slander, to advise never engaging in an argument when the facts aren't on your side, and to give a real-world example on why one should always check one's spelling (there's only one 'm' in sodomite--don't be famous for messing that up).
“I find that alcohol, taken in sufficient quantities, can produce all the effects of drunkenness.”
RIP Tom Wilkinson. Such a great actor.
What makes Stephen Fry such a wonderful actor is there is never a fraction of a second when he’s not fully in the role. It’s remarkable.
Stephen Fry is basically the reincarnation of Wilde.
I think this juxtaposes the difference in ethics between Wilde, an artist, with the Marquess of Queensbury, the man who civilized Boxing. One rejected the stereotype of masculinity, the other wanted to embody it but each in their own way totally perverted it. That's why Queensbury hated Wilde under the hood. He saw him as a pervert because the Marquess knew he himself was, though for violence more than sex. They are like yin and yang at that table, being civil to each other, laughing at each other's jokes, examining life issues. But it's the Marquess who is fixated on Death and severity, that makes his perversion for it less subtle here than in other scenes. Terrific actor!
Both actors killed it in this scene, portraying two men that, under different circumstances, would've probably been great friends. They both gloried in snubbing their noses at societal norms during a time when doing so was a big no-no, and they both were in a position to get away with such iconoclasm. In an alternate universe, these two could have starred in a Buddy Comedy (think a 19th century version of Jackass) where they both went around playing pranks on proper Victorians, then laughing over drinks at the results and fallout afterward. But of course there was 'Bosie', and neither father nor son had the courage to live honestly or change the course of human events as Wilde did. And so here we have things as they stand: two little men of the peerage largely forgotten, and one Giant of letters who will live forever and ever. Thus the cookie crumbles.
What an analysis, thank you for your insight! May I offer an added thought: Queensbury is rejecting Wilde with such vigor because he rejects and fights his own homosexual notions. And that what I cannot fight within me and what I fear I have to fight externally with all might.
@@mareikedregger1513 You may be right. Irrational fears can make any of us act stupid or mean. :)
Beautiful Jude Law would have made a wonderful Dorian Gray.
Yes! I long for a faithful on-screen adaptation of that glorious book that actually adheres to the description of Dorian. A young Tom Hiddleston (Cranford/Wallander era) would have been perfect as well.
I have to say the man who was cast as gray I forget his name I want to say Barnes??? Correct me if wrong was brilliant in his defence
I am not 100% sure, but I believe Jude Law's character was the basis for Dorian Gray, and Oscar Wilde Lord Henry Walton
Ben Barnes played it
Ok... I saw a picture of Oscar Wilde once and I JUST NOW had the thought "Stehpen Fry would actually make a good Oscar Wilde, he sort of resembles him. I gotta google that and see if people agree!" And low and behold - I discover someone actually made a movie in 1997 with Stehpen Fry as Oscar Wilde. That's funny.
He might as well be the reincarnation of wilde their so similar
@@Eli_Ghostie Stephen Fry is witty and clever but he ain't no Oscar Wilde and he would be the first to say it if asked, I am sure
@@dzonbrodi514 Fry is modest, of course he wouldn't compare himself to Wilde. I don't mind making the comparison, though. Fry is what Oscar Wilde would be doing if he was alive in our society. They're both gifted writers, witty men, and despite any personal neuroses, they have a natural charisma beneath the spotlight.
Marius, that's exactly what I did too lol
Born to be Wilde
Stephen Fry would be my favorite Oscar Wilde
Seeing this after watching Blackadder. I've just discovered this movie. Oscar Wilde suits Stephen Fry so beautifully! Handsome man!
Get thee to Specsavers.
I agree, it's a perfect fit
Superb film. Steven Fry was brilliant as Oscar. I would also highly recommend "The happy Prince" starring Rupert Everett.
I think Fry was made to play Wilde...and Jeeves! Wonder if Fry and Laurie ever parodied this With Fry as Bosie :D!
Years later the blonde kid becomes Dumbledore. Seems fair
And Dumbledore’s stories are narrated by Oscar Wilde.
That's Jude Law! Dumbledore?? LOL
"So... Mister Wilde, I ask of your help, I just can't find the name of this fairy that keeps shagging my son"!
"Well, Marquess, you have came to the right place"!
"Why thank yo- wait a minute-".
Tom Wilkinson on top form here,
Dude he's always on top form. Captivating and believable in every performance he's given. True actor's actor.
This charming man.
Keats and Yeats are on your side
But you lose
'Cause weird lover Wilde is on mine
You know, it's funny what these two men had in common. They were both proud iconoclasts. If society zigged, they both sought to zag. Oscar Wilde for...well...being Oscar Wilde, and Douglas for being an outspoken atheist and all-around blowhard loudmouth denouncing whatever the status-quo proclaimed on any given day.
That said, if these two ever came to blows, my money's on Oscar. He was a genius writer of the fin de siecle, with all the edgy and effete posturing that implies. But let's look at the photographs: for all the fancy dress and relaxed dandyism of his body language, he can't hide what he is: a 6 foot 3, broad-shouldered Irish powerhouse that would've wiped the floor with such a pampered would-be man's man as the Marquess. Wilde was a Big Irish Guy, the kind that would make boxing famous in its formative years.
Yes! And for about 50 or 60 years the Irish were Kings of the Ring, rampaged powerfully & did indeed bring fisticuffs to international prominence (like you stated!)!
I don't know about your supposition about Oscar wiping the floor with the Marquess, although that would have been nice to see. The Marquess descended from a line of sponsors for boxing and the name is known for boxing rules - a code of rules that most directly influenced modern boxing. Regardless of size, Oscar was not an athlete. When sentenced to hard labor in prison, his general health did not allow him to do back-breaking work so he was given mundane tasks in solitary confinement for much of his sentence. He was released from jail, a changed man and in poor health, dying at the age of 46 years.
Good pick. There's a scene in the movie that reveals just that. The Marquess storms into Wildest house one day and is, of course, highly cranky. At one point he gets threatening with his walking stick and Wilde snatches it from him, breaks it over his thigh and orders him out.
Oscars story is literally something he’d write himself. He’s quite like a character of some cosmic play. Turned into a great movie too.
I would rather be buried than cremated.
suprise me
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jude law sounds very similar to elijah wood