Stephen Fry is a literal hero of mine, and one of the reasons I came out all those years ago. He showed me that being gay wasn’t determinative if who I am, but a facet, that I can be an autonomous will in a world of unrestrained sentiment. Here’s to you Stephen Fry. The world could use more of you in it.
@JesusLovesMe But There's no scientific fact that being gay is anything remotely associated with a mental illness. Being a rabid bigot, on the other hand, can be given to psychosis, just like being a religious extremist can. P.S. Genetic 'coding' has little to do with alcoholism or drug addiction. And it's yet unclear to what extent it determines likelihood of mental illness. I appreciate you're a moron - that may or may not be genetically determined - but assuming you can read - can you? - you shoud go read a textbook on genetics before coming on here to spout your nonsense.
@Detective L I did. And I also have a problem when I need" to get my point out, even as they keep evolving in my mind. It's worse when I seize on a point and need to interject. This is where I had to learn to put my tongue to the roof of my mouth....now what should I do with my typing fingers....
@Detective L - listened to it all - but still felt his internal battle with the topic caused him to talk over his opponent. Its clear, his command of the language outstripped hers but that would dictate more patience on his side....just my observation...its all good
Stephen Fry is proof that calm, rational and reasonable heads will always prevail, I'm glad we have left leaning people like him pointing out the flaws in PC culture, as I feel like we don't have enough (well known) left leaning people who stand up to it.
He's on his own, he's not hard left because he's always been round money. If Stephen fry was master of the universe then I'd be happy at rationality winning, all I can see is more depravation and irrationality prevailing
Well were Stephen Fry falls short (whom I deeply admire btw. ) is where this cancel culture debate is coming from. People who know youtube and internet culture know about gamer gate and how the right and the sceptics created this big spectacle of the offended left. With every game-review of a gamer who said "it would be nice if you could play a female character that is less objectified to the male gaze" ten videos sprung up with outrage that feminazis want to ban the said game and on and on. It became youtube culture and youtube money to make videos on over the top feminist outrage and it found it's way to even serious newspapers. Well in fact, where there are clearly some terrible twitter storms (augmented by trolls and bots), in real life, cancellation was mostly about not giving a platform to hate speech or scientific lies. (Do we need a climate-change denier on every panel when we know by fact that he's in the wrong, or can we talk about different ways to deal with it?) Which is valid. Civil discussion on the left is alive and well, it's the right who claim victimhood while simultaneously working on taking away womens rights and rights of racial and sexual minorities away.
@@martinae8601 If you want to convince someone you need to use facts and not opinions. “10 videos sprung up with outrage” Where is your evidence of the ratio of such videos. Capitalism doesn’t discriminate against sex or race, only against the poor. If you don’t hire the best people or sell to as many people as possible or explore every niche market there is then you will fail. Yes we do need a climate change denier on climate change panels so that he/she can be well and truly demolished in a civil and rational evidence based discussions and debate. Cancelling people breeds further dissent and divisions from mainstream culture. Trump arose from a complete lack of trust in institutions, it’s time we demolish pc culture and bring back respect in those institutions.
@@martinae8601 I can see you really believe that, and there is no doubt that right, so to speak, (left and right are such over used and simplifying terms in a current western cultural debates) does its fair share of demonizing and sensationalising and looking for left wing tyranny where none may exist specifically, but the way you see it is very unbalanced and equally slanted to your leftist perspective. Everything you just mentioned regarding what the right rails against are genuine and valid criticisms and objections. Unfortunately on both the left and the right there are too many impassioned people motivated to point towards and
hyperbole ... ironically mr fry would defer i do concur but i suspect the act would offend him morally with a shy wave of the emotional fan he is ...for me ... perfect for the role as he has no embodiment of righteousness rather one of nervous doubt nonetheless backed up almost to a point on his emphatic moments with solid common sense which i applaud deeply
Richard Wightman…….well, so much for kicking PC in the pants! You have just (consciously and willingly) licked the boots of this man who is attempting to ‘save us all’ from the unsavoury grip of the frequency of society’s use of political correctness!
The fact that he has to say such basic common sense shit to academic institutions is just disgusting. There is no point trying to educate people at this point. Everyone should just stop breeding and turn to anarchy, destroy the retarded species that we have obviously become.
Stephen Fry is humble, intellectual, honest and correct, in equal measure. I have a lot of time for JBP but Stephen was the MOTM and rightly so. How can you not agree with him, no matter what your politics?
It's so rare nowadays to see someone approach a political debate as a chance to have a genuine interesting conversation rather than a point scoring sport-like contest
Thats partly the fault of debating itself, which is exactly that. THis is why post secondary education is so imporant, people who have never been there, or only exposed to BAD ones, think that MORE indoctrination goes on there, but its in fact where the indoctrination of public school is broken down.
Dyson calls upon Foucault for reasons of authority only, Fry calls upon philosophers to introduce ideas into the discussion. Dyson wants to be right, Fry wants to have a nice chat.
Dyson ruined the whole debate by attacking Peterson. I would have loved to hear Jordan and Stephen discuss their views the whole time. They are both spectacular speakers.
@@toxicpositivity9341 I could just listen to Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry swapping cooking recipes for hours, never mind an actual intellectual debate. They should do a round table talk like the one they did with Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennet, and Harris. I don't agree with all their points, but the constructive back and forth advances mankind, as opposed to the Dyson characters destructive race hate mongering.
I regard myself as 'left wing ' in economics, I see myself pretty much in line with Fry. Left wing, but I hate sjw's. The idiot above(eddiewinehosen) is a moron imo. Peterson's politics, I also agree with in about 80% of what he says and I'm on the 'left', as I said.
“The liberals are illiberal in their demand for liberality, they are exclusive in their demand for inclusivity, they are homogenous in their demand for heterogeneity. They are somehow undiverse in their call to diversity. You can be diverse but not diverse in your opinions and in your language and in your behavior. And that’s a terrible pity”. I’m at a loss of words for how articulate this man is.
@@seanmoran2743 I don't agree with anyone 100%. What he said in this debate though was spot on, comment on what he said here not on his other beliefs. Do you disagree with anything he said in this debate? Your statement epitomises exactly what is wrong in today's society IMHO.
*"One of the greatest human failings is to prefer to be right rather than to be effective and political correctness is always obsessed with how right something is without thinking of how effective it might be. "* Stephen Fry
@@johnnycharisma162 I disagree, I saw the full debate and while I do think he could have elaborated his ideas further, he managed to clearly contribute/respond to the other debaters. I think the only one who came off as waffling was Michael Dyson, when everyone else was questioned or challenged they were able to actually respond to what was being said, Michael started alright, but around the mid-point it felt like he was less interested in the discussion and more interested in challenging Peterson. I don't agree with all of Peterson's views, but I do think he does a good job of communicating his thoughts and reasons
Fry was sensational, at times almost debating three others simultaneously, trying to converse with the other side while also trying to dodge Peterson's political sleight of hand. His arguments are razor sharp and efficient, no intellectual faff, just straight to the point and full of good humour and humility. Long live Stephen Fry
I watched the whole debate. I was so angered that the panel wasted Stephen’s time. He came prepared to discuss political correctness and the rest of the panel barely discussed it. To be fair Peterson had to defend himself from that idiot Dyson. Stephen Fry is amazing.
it's such a shame: Fry was on fire that night & absolutely up for a real earnest debate, & you can only imagine how wonderful it would have been if the opposition had been willing to actually discuss things rather than just strawmanning Peterson. Still... he was still amazing: people will be quoting the things he said here for decades whenever political correctness is discussed... an incredible performance of forbearance mixed with steel.
Jordan Petersen doesn't often applaud a fellow speaker, what a thoroughly deserved compliment for Stephen Fry that was. Wonderful hearing such common sense, so eloquently and gracefully delivered
Reminded once again that Stephen Fry is my absolute favourite person on the planet. What an absolute gem. He saved this shambles of a debate and I'm saving this clip to keep forever, don't need to listen to the other ones ever again.
"Huckstering snake-oil pulpit talk. It is a mode of discourse, it is a rhetorical style that I find endlessly refreshing and vivifying". That is euphemism in practice.
Stephen Fry is so very well educated and an absolute breath of fresh air. He puts everything across so eloquently and with perfect accuracy. Top man, top gentleman.
“Huckstering Snake-Oil Salesman preaching from the Pulpit” was directed RIGHT AT Michael Eric Dyson. Absolutely beautiful and applicable to that fool of a man.
I watch this, on average, once every year or so. It remains one of the greatest examples of oration, wit and humility I have ever seen. Stephen is a global treasure - we need more true progressives so wonderfully standing up to the nonsense of the regressive left (as, it must be noted, we need those true conservative voices standing up to the nonsense on the regressive right). Let wisdom, and doubt, prevail.
This is so pleasant to listen to without Dyson. When you could start hearing his mumbling at some point after Stephen finished talking i felt a sudden sense of "Oh no, oh no no no-" but then it cut to the next clip, such relief.
What an intellectual heavyweight Stephen Fry is, the only time I have seen his equal on a discussion was Christopher Hitchens. Those two together was scary!
Christopher Hitchens was a BBC and Establishment boy. He was extremeley intelligent but was paid to argue views that he would never in a thousand years waste time discussing, let alone believe in himself. He got very rich by doing exactly as he was told. I have zero respect for him, the man was a disgrace.
@@TheVanillatech That comment makes me question whether we're talking about the same Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens, who was a famous contrarian. Hitchens, who stood shoulder to shoulder in solidarity with many resisters and not asked anything in return. Do you even know anything about the man?
@@TheVanillatech I think Hitchens has emotionally scarred you more than you should have let someone do so. Hitchens was wrong on quite a few topics but to call him as part of the establishment is a considerable error on your part. One can be wrong and have a skewed perspective without having to be paid off. Or that the default stance you take against anyone you disagree with ?
@@slutbunwallah He practically admitted taking money to read scripted arguments before he died, explaining himself with financial security for his children as his excuse. Not that he needed to come clean, anyone with a brain could blatently see him repeating the same agenda for months on end all over American talk shows and news channels. The "WAR ON TERROR", right? Or are you telling me that a learned man like himself, able to go toe to toe with practically anyone in a debate, simply believed everything that the tabloids were spewing out? Give me a break. Robin Cook resigned the instant he realized parliament were being roped into that dupe. Hitchens made a KILLING off it. All credibility gone. Zero respect.
I'm not gonna lie, I think Fry v Fry would result in a tie. Perhaps only the late, great Christopher Hitchens could hold his own, or better, Sir Stephen Fry in debate.
Stephen he is renaissance man whose arguments make total sense... The word Belief come from Germanic, the basis meaning is to be gentle with your truths.
If I walked out onto that stage and saw I was up against Jordan Peterson I would be worried. When I saw Stephen Fry I would have just shook hands and left.
Thanks for the upload, Stephen nails it! Always loved the guy and he's just reinforcing my decades of adoration. Who gives a crap if he's straight or gay it just makes no difference at all either way.
Is there anything more beautiful than a highly educated wealthy person who remains compassionate and patient and intellectually generous in these difficult times? "It's how we are treated that matters." We're all such a traumatized bunch. We should be screening things like this in High Schools and teaching conversation not debate.
stephen fry stole the show. i have watched this entire debate about 10 times and stephen fry completely stole the show. this is coming from a jordan peterson fan.
Watching this in 2022 as a lifelong leftie and a few things he said nearly made me cry. Mostly when he said the success of the right is mostly down to the colossal failure of the left. I agree. For the last two elections in the UK I have canvassed for the Labour Party in the north of England in some pretty working class traditional Labour areas. They look at the left and what they see is people who are passionate about telling them that they're all racist, sexist and that it's wrong to even discuss whether or not an adult with a penis and testicles and who experiences sex as a male is actually literally a woman. By closing down the discussion we appear to them to be just lost in a fantasy world they can't relate to. By using the expression 'toxic masculinity' they believe we're actually saying masculinity itself is a toxic thing so poorly have we explained ourselves. By talking about 'white privilege' they believe we're saying they're 'privileged' as they struggle to survive in their poverty stricken lives. Instead of openly and honestly discussing what we mean and choosing our words more thoughtfully we dive into clichés and slogans which are almost certain to lead to misunderstanding. Is it any wonder young straight, white males look at the left and think we don't care about them? The other thing is his point of people losing touch with the ability to laugh at themselves and instead they take themselves too seriously demanding often quite aggressively never to be offended. Often an intelligent piss-take which is over the top but with a dash of truth in it can get a point across wonderfully well. "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly". Have those days gone? For those who say we never had those days just watch an episode of 'Little Britain' or indeed Monty Python.
Stephen Fry is absolutely fixating with his eloquence. He has such a fantastic ability to generate relevant and effective responses to any retort or argument. As others have said, he is a national treasure.
I agree with the term "catastrophic failure of the left". I used to consider myself left and green but ive realised ive crossed the line to conservatism now
The "Left" too often fail to debate the actual issue and too often focus on the morality of the person raising the issue. I am not conservative but often listen or attend conservative speakers - but I've had to face insults or protest for attending. Too often those on the Left have tried to act as my moral guardians or even censors in trying to prevent me from hearing whom I choose to listen to, or even worse - try to disrupt or cancel the event. When I try to point out I may agree or disagree with the speakers, but I should be able to go without being harassed they see this as their right to do this because THEY deem that the speaker should NOT be able to speak. And even more outrageously - they don't see anything wrong with that..!
This man has such a natural poetry with words. He is so obviously smart and above most of us in intellect but you’re never lost by what he says, you understand everything and it’s really quite something to watch and listen to him.
Stephen owns them all doesn't he. You can see the fear of his intellect and vocabulary in the rest of the panels faces. What a national treasure he is.
Watched a snippet. Fry is a giant and I could see his opponents disease in the clips I saw. Peterson, having spent his life studying evil, still wants to win husargument rationally. Fry knows better - sweet and hesitant
‘One of the greatest failings is to prefer to be right, than to be effective’ - a succinct description of many zealous political movements, obsessed with ideological purity, even if it’s at the expense of achieving anything in the real word.
Mr Fry is one of the most wonderful person with a Voice in the world Not only scholard but with a capazity to see the sky as a total not stars as separate objects (sorry for my spelling- beeing swedish)
I respect Stephen Fry more than ever! His comment about the Eskimo saying, call me Eskimo it is easier for you - reminds me of a childhood joke. Call me what you like, just don't call me late for dinner. This embodies, for me, human decency. Kindness and respect for your fellow humans will always work.
Jordan Petersen looked humbled, I support Mr Petersen and I think Stephen Fry has given him a lot to think about/think over. I would like to know about the real differences between the pair and their opinions..
I think that basically they diverge on the point of view of values, even though their fields of interest are slightly different as well. I mean, JP is a psychologist, he goes deeply into the crisis for he assumes that the main point in our society is a misconception about life due by the ruins of a Marxist ideology, which ignored what religion and ancient human instances had always pinpointed. On the other hand, Stephen Fry claims that the core matter is just - as I think, but who am I? - a lack of cultural sensitivity. Their common trait, though, is that there's something to face, to fight, to overcome, to evolve from, to work on, and it's just up to us. The huge thing is that the whole thing is so urgent, fundamental, deep and meaningful that no answer can be given, except the one that each of us chooses as his own proper. This morning I was keeping thinking of a quote by Eduardo De Filippo, one of the most important Italian playwright in history: "Theatre is the timeless, desperate human effort to make a sense with his life" I think not only is it about theatre, or art, but also does involve life itself.
Ultimately Stephen fry as a homosexual means he’ll have different motivations as Peterson regarding family and motivation which is why Peterson connects with young men so much
Wow, he speaks so eloquently and conveys for me true ideas of humanity. I found it interesting what he said about the personal and political perspective. I also liked how he referred to what works in practical terms. The Native American who was ok being called an Indian because he was more concerned as to how he was treated
Stephen Fry is a literal hero of mine, and one of the reasons I came out all those years ago. He showed me that being gay wasn’t determinative if who I am, but a facet, that I can be an autonomous will in a world of unrestrained sentiment.
Here’s to you Stephen Fry. The world could use more of you in it.
@JesusLovesMe But There's no scientific fact that being gay is anything remotely associated with a mental illness. Being a rabid bigot, on the other hand, can be given to psychosis, just like being a religious extremist can. P.S. Genetic 'coding' has little to do with alcoholism or drug addiction. And it's yet unclear to what extent it determines likelihood of mental illness. I appreciate you're a moron - that may or may not be genetically determined - but assuming you can read - can you? - you shoud go read a textbook on genetics before coming on here to spout your nonsense.
"You can answer me in a moment."
That is the most upper-class English way of saying 'let me finish'.
Seems he should take his own advice. I get it , his mind is running, but, let the other person finish.
@Detective L I did. And I also have a problem when I need" to get my point out, even as they keep evolving in my mind. It's worse when I seize on a point and need to interject. This is where I had to learn to put my tongue to the roof of my mouth....now what should I do with my typing fingers....
@Detective L - listened to it all - but still felt his internal battle with the topic caused him to talk over his opponent. Its clear, his command of the language outstripped hers but that would dictate more patience on his side....just my observation...its all good
@@timidtornado2869 It was a rhetorical question. His mind wasn't running.
@@timidtornado2869 The debate has been edited so as to show only what Stephen Fry said. Hence the title of the video.
It was so great to watch Jordan Peterson fall in love with Fry.
Every time he speaks he just stares at him in awe haha
17:59. Right here
Ok gaynor
Who doesn’t love Stephen Fry, he’s one of the most intelligent, humorous, inspiring people to ever have lived.
I watched Jordan Peterson go from guarded to relaxed to interested to awe at the wonder that is Stephen Fry.
This man is so soft spoken and eloquent that when he suddenly says 'fuck', it actually means something.
underrated
British say fuck all the time, its punctuation.
@@boogboog8097 Ah. Another commonality for the British and the American, then.
@@boogboog8097 Completely missed the point 🤦
Tengou…….what a load of unmitigated garbage!
Stephen Fry is proof that calm, rational and reasonable heads will always prevail, I'm glad we have left leaning people like him pointing out the flaws in PC culture, as I feel like we don't have enough (well known) left leaning people who stand up to it.
He's on his own, he's not hard left because he's always been round money. If Stephen fry was master of the universe then I'd be happy at rationality winning, all I can see is more depravation and irrationality prevailing
Well were Stephen Fry falls short (whom I deeply admire btw. ) is where this cancel culture debate is coming from. People who know youtube and internet culture know about gamer gate and how the right and the sceptics created this big spectacle of the offended left. With every game-review of a gamer who said "it would be nice if you could play a female character that is less objectified to the male gaze" ten videos sprung up with outrage that feminazis want to ban the said game and on and on. It became youtube culture and youtube money to make videos on over the top feminist outrage and it found it's way to even serious newspapers. Well in fact, where there are clearly some terrible twitter storms (augmented by trolls and bots), in real life, cancellation was mostly about not giving a platform to hate speech or scientific lies. (Do we need a climate-change denier on every panel when we know by fact that he's in the wrong, or can we talk about different ways to deal with it?)
Which is valid.
Civil discussion on the left is alive and well, it's the right who claim victimhood while simultaneously working on taking away womens rights and rights of racial and sexual minorities away.
Stephen Fry, the voice of reason once again.
@@martinae8601 If you want to convince someone you need to use facts and not opinions. “10 videos sprung up with outrage” Where is your evidence of the ratio of such videos. Capitalism doesn’t discriminate against sex or race, only against the poor. If you don’t hire the best people or sell to as many people as possible or explore every niche market there is then you will fail. Yes we do need a climate change denier on climate change panels so that he/she can be well and truly demolished in a civil and rational evidence based discussions and debate. Cancelling people breeds further dissent and divisions from mainstream culture. Trump arose from a complete lack of trust in institutions, it’s time we demolish pc culture and bring back respect in those institutions.
@@martinae8601 I can see you really believe that, and there is no doubt that right, so to speak, (left and right are such over used and simplifying terms in a current western cultural debates) does its fair share of demonizing and sensationalising and looking for left wing tyranny where none may exist specifically, but the way you see it is very unbalanced and equally slanted to your leftist perspective. Everything you just mentioned regarding what the right rails against are genuine and valid criticisms and objections. Unfortunately on both the left and the right there are too many impassioned people motivated to point towards and
Stephen Fry is far more than a national treasure, he's a treasure for humanity.
I suggest you read his books. They didn't disappoint me :-)
hyperbole ... ironically mr fry would defer
i do concur but i suspect the act would offend him morally with a shy wave of the emotional fan
he is ...for me ... perfect for the role as he has no embodiment of righteousness rather one of nervous doubt nonetheless backed up almost to a point on his emphatic moments with solid common sense which i applaud deeply
Richard Wightman…….well, so much for kicking PC in the pants! You have just (consciously and willingly) licked the boots of this man who is attempting to ‘save us all’ from the unsavoury grip of the frequency of society’s use of political correctness!
@@peacemaker6662 iii
The fact that he has to say such basic common sense shit to academic institutions is just disgusting. There is no point trying to educate people at this point. Everyone should just stop breeding and turn to anarchy, destroy the retarded species that we have obviously become.
Stephen Fry is humble, intellectual, honest and correct, in equal measure. I have a lot of time for JBP but Stephen was the MOTM and rightly so. How can you not agree with him, no matter what your politics?
Easily come on
Acronyms are ambiguous without context
Wonderful, Mr Fry.
It's so rare nowadays to see someone approach a political debate as a chance to have a genuine interesting conversation rather than a point scoring sport-like contest
H’mmmm? He fooled you....He has an agenda.....but just what it is .....? Quiet Domination one suspects!
Thats partly the fault of debating itself, which is exactly that.
THis is why post secondary education is so imporant, people who have never been there, or only exposed to BAD ones, think that MORE indoctrination goes on there, but its in fact where the indoctrination of public school is broken down.
Don't watch many debates, eh?
Dyson calls upon Foucault for reasons of authority only, Fry calls upon philosophers to introduce ideas into the discussion. Dyson wants to be right, Fry wants to have a nice chat.
A1 B2 like he said, right over effectiveness. It’s our, meaning Dyson is the former than the latter.
He won the day. If Peterson wouldn’t have had to spend his time defending himself, he would have done better.
Dyson ruined the whole debate by attacking Peterson. I would have loved to hear Jordan and Stephen discuss their views the whole time. They are both spectacular speakers.
@@toxicpositivity9341 I could just listen to Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry swapping cooking recipes for hours, never mind an actual intellectual debate. They should do a round table talk like the one they did with Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennet, and Harris. I don't agree with all their points, but the constructive back and forth advances mankind, as opposed to the Dyson characters destructive race hate mongering.
Wow thts smart
Markass Brownlee he means ‘different from him’ so therefore fucked up. It’s how some people think when countered with a brick wall
I regard myself as 'left wing ' in economics, I see myself pretty much in line with Fry. Left wing, but I hate sjw's. The idiot above(eddiewinehosen) is a moron imo. Peterson's politics, I also agree with in about 80% of what he says and I'm on the 'left', as I said.
I was watching MMA but switched over to watch Stephen Fry in this..... much more brutal.
Hahaha, I went from watching a Robert Whittaker highlight package to this.
LOL I was watching Ngannou vs Gane highlights from last night
LOL!
“The liberals are illiberal in their demand for liberality, they are exclusive in their demand for inclusivity, they are homogenous in their demand for heterogeneity. They are somehow undiverse in their call to diversity. You can be diverse but not diverse in your opinions and in your language and in your behavior. And that’s a terrible pity”. I’m at a loss of words for how articulate this man is.
Sums up my feelings on our Western societies. He, of course, says it far more eloquently than myself but I concur!
@@peacemaker6662 You do know he doesn’t believe in the Nation State but he does love powerful bureaucracies
@@seanmoran2743 I don't agree with anyone 100%. What he said in this debate though was spot on, comment on what he said here not on his other beliefs. Do you disagree with anything he said in this debate? Your statement epitomises exactly what is wrong in today's society IMHO.
Extraordinarily well said
This made me a lifelong fan of Stephen Fry, what a guy.
*"One of the greatest human failings is to prefer to be right rather than to be effective and political correctness is always obsessed with how right something is without thinking of how effective it might be. "* Stephen Fry
Stephen Fry claims to be all for free speech & the exchange of ideas yet often talks over & interrupts those with whom he disagrees.
Sounds pretty stalinist to me
@@dezmundo1251 how?
@@dezmundo1251 If that's true then you didn't understand what Fry was saying or what stalinism is.
A. A. Gill summed it up perfectly; PC is politeness, that's all. Fry is an establishment toady.
Stephen Fry is the archetypal gentleman
Yeees he and Hitchens were truly special.
hahahaha so good omg
I need to find my archetype
NB Fry was exonerated by the BBC.
Yup
Every time Stephen Fry made Jordan Peterson laugh or smile was chocolate cake for my soul.
yes I feel it
greeting from Germany^^
Jordan Peterson has an empty head.
@@saravieira90 he’s a waffling word salad master. Deepak Chopra Stylie.
@@johnnycharisma162 I disagree, I saw the full debate and while I do think he could have elaborated his ideas further, he managed to clearly contribute/respond to the other debaters. I think the only one who came off as waffling was Michael Dyson, when everyone else was questioned or challenged they were able to actually respond to what was being said, Michael started alright, but around the mid-point it felt like he was less interested in the discussion and more interested in challenging Peterson. I don't agree with all of Peterson's views, but I do think he does a good job of communicating his thoughts and reasons
@Rocky's Modern Life I’m high and I’m not having to go
Fry was sensational, at times almost debating three others simultaneously, trying to converse with the other side while also trying to dodge Peterson's political sleight of hand. His arguments are razor sharp and efficient, no intellectual faff, just straight to the point and full of good humour and humility. Long live Stephen Fry
Dyson was awful.. Race hustler, and goldberg 🤢
hear hear!
Seem to not have seen or heard much of him in recent times since leaving QI and it deeply saddens me.
@@ryancox3834 Probably flounced off Twitter. Being well-spoken does not make one an intellectual.
@@geoffpoole483 fry is an incredible intellectual. It cannot be disputed.
that opening speech by Fry was amazing
I want to be as eloquent as a speaker as Stephen fry.
that's the advantage of have British accent😂 I want that too
His ability to curse blows me away.
@@amellirizarry9503 Not necessarily. His ability to grasp concepts and ideas, plus his vast wealth of knowledge and breadth of conquered books.
@@SDKsa1 I know, but the accent give him like a power up
I want too!
Jordan brought a Fry to a knife fight...
HAH. Awesome
Hahaha true.
lol great comment
Excellent comment lol
Frying man
Stephen Fry is a lovely human being.
20:47 “Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.”
Wow!
Thankyou. I was trying to find that line and knew that someone would have shared it :)
Although I agree with a lot of Jordan Peterson’s arguments, Stephen Fry remains the Voice of Reason.
Same here
I watched the whole debate. I was so angered that the panel wasted Stephen’s time. He came prepared to discuss political correctness and the rest of the panel barely discussed it. To be fair Peterson had to defend himself from that idiot Dyson. Stephen Fry is amazing.
it's such a shame: Fry was on fire that night & absolutely up for a real earnest debate, & you can only imagine how wonderful it would have been if the opposition had been willing to actually discuss things rather than just strawmanning Peterson. Still... he was still amazing: people will be quoting the things he said here for decades whenever political correctness is discussed... an incredible performance of forbearance mixed with steel.
Why did the chair of the meeting fail with regards to bring the debaters back to the central point of the debate.
This debate was hijacked. Pity.
@@Keepitgoinging That is how they do it. With their "feelings".
Eh, to be fair I don't think many would be able to hold their weight in an argument with Fry regardless.
Jordan Petersen doesn't often applaud a fellow speaker, what a thoroughly deserved compliment for Stephen Fry that was. Wonderful hearing such common sense, so eloquently and gracefully delivered
Reminded once again that Stephen Fry is my absolute favourite person on the planet. What an absolute gem. He saved this shambles of a debate and I'm saving this clip to keep forever, don't need to listen to the other ones ever again.
Ever see a debate hijacked. Here you go.
Have you seen his debate "Is the Catholic church a force for good?" Breathtakingly brilliant. I adore this man
@@Keepitgoinging Good or bad?
Then you heard nothing of what fry said if you say that ?
Deserving of a place alongside Bertrand Russell and some of his other favourites
Stephen Fry is tremendously playful, open and fun. Thank you for this video!
"you can answer me in a moment" that's a clever one, i got to start to use it.
" His intelligence seized on a subject, his genius embraced it, his eloquence illuminated it"
@ David Potkins - Well said and eloquently put.
What a beautiful symphony of words ...
"Huckstering snake-oil pulpit talk. It is a mode of discourse, it is a rhetorical style that I find endlessly refreshing and vivifying". That is euphemism in practice.
"you can answer me in a moment" was my favorite part.
Thank you Stephen Fry for stating with such credible, heartfelt urgency the reasons why this form of political correctness is bad for everybody.
Take note, Michael Eric Dyson. This is what actual eloquence sounds like.
I'm taking note of him rocking back and forth like a mental patient
Dyson is the literal worst. Absolute charlatan of a man. And I say that as someone to the left of Stephen Fry.
Stephen Fry is so very well educated and an absolute breath of fresh air. He puts everything across so eloquently and with perfect accuracy. Top man, top gentleman.
A good rule of thumb, If Stephen Fry is on the opposite team, You're on the wrong team!
One of the most colorful soul I've encountered. Deep respects!
“Huckstering Snake-Oil Salesman preaching from the Pulpit” was directed RIGHT AT Michael Eric Dyson. Absolutely beautiful and applicable to that fool of a man.
How refreshing to hear a discussion like this. Steven Fry made his case with such eloquence and humour i could listen to him all day
Well, that almost brought me to tears. Beautifully articulated, wise and profound. I'm off to watch the whole debate.
when the two rivals team up for one episode
The way Stephen argues in favor of Truth and Reason is so beautiful in these polarized times.
Thank you very much for putting this together!
Nikolai Schuehly you're very welcome, thought it too important not to
Yes, you are definitely right … I wish more people were watching this.
I watch this, on average, once every year or so. It remains one of the greatest examples of oration, wit and humility I have ever seen.
Stephen is a global treasure - we need more true progressives so wonderfully standing up to the nonsense of the regressive left (as, it must be noted, we need those true conservative voices standing up to the nonsense on the regressive right). Let wisdom, and doubt, prevail.
This is so pleasant to listen to without Dyson. When you could start hearing his mumbling at some point after Stephen finished talking i felt a sudden sense of "Oh no, oh no no no-" but then it cut to the next clip, such relief.
What an intellectual heavyweight Stephen Fry is, the only time I have seen his equal on a discussion was Christopher Hitchens. Those two together was scary!
Christopher Hitchens was a BBC and Establishment boy. He was extremeley intelligent but was paid to argue views that he would never in a thousand years waste time discussing, let alone believe in himself. He got very rich by doing exactly as he was told. I have zero respect for him, the man was a disgrace.
@@TheVanillatech That comment makes me question whether we're talking about the same Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens, who was a famous contrarian. Hitchens, who stood shoulder to shoulder in solidarity with many resisters and not asked anything in return. Do you even know anything about the man?
@@sharathsh9987 As far as I know, there was only one Christopher Hitchens, so I'm guessing my answer is yes.
@@TheVanillatech I think Hitchens has emotionally scarred you more than you should have let someone do so.
Hitchens was wrong on quite a few topics but to call him as part of the establishment is a considerable error on your part.
One can be wrong and have a skewed perspective without having to be paid off. Or that the default stance you take against anyone you disagree with ?
@@slutbunwallah He practically admitted taking money to read scripted arguments before he died, explaining himself with financial security for his children as his excuse. Not that he needed to come clean, anyone with a brain could blatently see him repeating the same agenda for months on end all over American talk shows and news channels. The "WAR ON TERROR", right? Or are you telling me that a learned man like himself, able to go toe to toe with practically anyone in a debate, simply believed everything that the tabloids were spewing out? Give me a break. Robin Cook resigned the instant he realized parliament were being roped into that dupe. Hitchens made a KILLING off it. All credibility gone. Zero respect.
So correct.We need to learn to play gracefully with ideas as a society
This should be much more widely seen.
While I admire Stephen fry so much, I do crave the beligerance of the hitch to be present to temper Stephens eloquence.
Chris Mac Hitch would have effortlessly devoured them
RIP
He showed a bit of steel at the end though... "huckstering snake-oil pulpit talk"... OUCH!!
How to beat Stephen Fry in a debate: be Stephen Fry.
But who would win? Or by actively listing they learn from themselves and arrive at a mutual agreed conclusion?
I'd love to have seen Fry vs. Chomsky vs. Akala.
How to beat Fry in a debate - ask him to condemn Islam like he does Catholicism
I'm not gonna lie, I think Fry v Fry would result in a tie. Perhaps only the late, great Christopher Hitchens could hold his own, or better, Sir Stephen Fry in debate.
"Who are we debating against today?" "Stephen Fry"... "I'll get my coat."
Stephen he is renaissance man whose arguments make total sense... The word Belief come from Germanic, the basis meaning is to be gentle with your truths.
Amazing how far a bit of humility and a self deprecating attitude gets you, it disarms your opponents by sharing the middle ground with them.
If I walked out onto that stage and saw I was up against Jordan Peterson I would be worried. When I saw Stephen Fry I would have just shook hands and left.
Yup, haha. He outclassed the entire panel, including Peterson.
I respect Dyson, but he just seemed too vindictive during the debate to take seriously.
Peterson and Fry are on the same side
Hahah saaaame+!
I have endless admiration for Stephen Fry.
Stephen Fry is one of the best speakers about the world about us. I for one, will wish his dreams come true.
Me too, pal. He's a gift.
Imagine trying to supress Stephen Fry's language
Two years later and they still haven't learned...
Thanks for the upload, Stephen nails it! Always loved the guy and he's just reinforcing my decades of adoration. Who gives a crap if he's straight or gay it just makes no difference at all either way.
He nails it about how flawed he feels with a comical edge.
After the death of Hitch losing Fry will be a massive lose
Wonderfull.. Delighted to have come across this.. 🍀👍❤️
Listening to Stephen Fry is like listening to music!
3:55 is genius ‘preachiness...with the greatest of respect’
Is there anything more beautiful than a highly educated wealthy person who remains compassionate and patient and intellectually generous in these difficult times? "It's how we are treated that matters." We're all such a traumatized bunch. We should be screening things like this in High Schools and teaching conversation not debate.
Just marvellous. Such clarity and wisdom. What a treasure!
stephen fry stole the show. i have watched this entire debate about 10 times and stephen fry completely stole the show. this is coming from a jordan peterson fan.
Couldn’t agree more.
Indeed
All I was thinking through watching this was "I really hope that Stephen Fry outlives me" - a pure treasure!
Watching this in 2022 as a lifelong leftie and a few things he said nearly made me cry. Mostly when he said the success of the right is mostly down to the colossal failure of the left. I agree. For the last two elections in the UK I have canvassed for the Labour Party in the north of England in some pretty working class traditional Labour areas. They look at the left and what they see is people who are passionate about telling them that they're all racist, sexist and that it's wrong to even discuss whether or not an adult with a penis and testicles and who experiences sex as a male is actually literally a woman. By closing down the discussion we appear to them to be just lost in a fantasy world they can't relate to. By using the expression 'toxic masculinity' they believe we're actually saying masculinity itself is a toxic thing so poorly have we explained ourselves. By talking about 'white privilege' they believe we're saying they're 'privileged' as they struggle to survive in their poverty stricken lives. Instead of openly and honestly discussing what we mean and choosing our words more thoughtfully we dive into clichés and slogans which are almost certain to lead to misunderstanding. Is it any wonder young straight, white males look at the left and think we don't care about them?
The other thing is his point of people losing touch with the ability to laugh at themselves and instead they take themselves too seriously demanding often quite aggressively never to be offended. Often an intelligent piss-take which is over the top but with a dash of truth in it can get a point across wonderfully well. "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly". Have those days gone? For those who say we never had those days just watch an episode of 'Little Britain' or indeed Monty Python.
Wow, I fucking love Stephen Fry.
Write him a love letter 😜
Does anyone else just want to give Stephen Fry a massive hug?
Stephen Fry has such a way with words! I love how he puts his point. And his voice made it sound poetic too :)
four years later this kind of conversation would be not possible in GB
One of the greatest human failings is to prefer to be right, rather than effective.
Watching Stephen Fry get emotional over his favourite cricket moment. Wonderful.
Stephen Fry is absolutely fixating with his eloquence.
He has such a fantastic ability to generate relevant and effective responses to any retort or argument.
As others have said, he is a national treasure.
4:49 - 5:15. These are the exact words I would put this in myself. I literally couldn't have put this any better. Stephen fry is just a gem.
as the german saying goes: when the cake speaks, the crumbs better shut up and learn. this evening was clearly one cake and three crumbs.
I agree with the term "catastrophic failure of the left". I used to consider myself left and green but ive realised ive crossed the line to conservatism now
The "Left" too often fail to debate the actual issue and too often focus on the morality of the person raising the issue. I am not conservative but often listen or attend conservative speakers - but I've had to face insults or protest for attending. Too often those on the Left have tried to act as my moral guardians or even censors in trying to prevent me from hearing whom I choose to listen to, or even worse - try to disrupt or cancel the event. When I try to point out I may agree or disagree with the speakers, but I should be able to go without being harassed they see this as their right to do this because THEY deem that the speaker should NOT be able to speak. And even more outrageously - they don't see anything wrong with that..!
I could watch this video 100 times... Petersons face says it all
I wanted to see Peterson's face when Fry called Dyson a snake oil salesman
This man has such a natural poetry with words. He is so obviously smart and above most of us in intellect but you’re never lost by what he says, you understand everything and it’s really quite something to watch and listen to him.
It must be a nightmare to debate stephen fry. He's just so delightful that you cant help but want to agree.
Utter genius. A triumph of intelligence and honesty... everything that PC is not.
I love how you can so clearly see how Peterson just absolutely adores/admires Fry
The fact that people like this exist, gives me SOME hope.
Stephen owns them all doesn't he. You can see the fear of his intellect and vocabulary in the rest of the panels faces. What a national treasure he is.
Watched a snippet. Fry is a giant and I could see his opponents disease in the clips I saw. Peterson, having spent his life studying evil, still wants to win husargument rationally. Fry knows better - sweet and hesitant
‘One of the greatest failings is to prefer to be right, than to be effective’
- a succinct description of many zealous political movements, obsessed with ideological purity, even if it’s at the expense of achieving anything in the real word.
The rant at 19.55 is beautiful
Sheer genius. Ability to articulate and reference ideas. Wonderful conversation.
"Recruiting sergeants for the right"
Never a truer sentence spoken
Jordan can't hold a candle to Stephen ....
Well, we may politely disagree about the merits of the players, but I'll at least thank you for supporting the right team. 😀
Aaaaaah man he's so eloquent but he tells the truth so well.
Mr Fry is one of the most wonderful person with a Voice in the world
Not only scholard but with a capazity to see the sky as a total not stars as separate objects (sorry for my spelling- beeing swedish)
I respect Stephen Fry more than ever!
His comment about the Eskimo saying, call me Eskimo it is easier for you - reminds me of a childhood joke.
Call me what you like, just don't call me late for dinner.
This embodies, for me, human decency. Kindness and respect for your fellow humans will always work.
Jordan Petersen looked humbled, I support Mr Petersen and I think Stephen Fry has given him a lot to think about/think over.
I would like to know about the real differences between the pair and their opinions..
I imagine there's lots they disagree with but it's the equal respect for the conversation that matter's and I respect.
I think that basically they diverge on the point of view of values, even though their fields of interest are slightly different as well. I mean, JP is a psychologist, he goes deeply into the crisis for he assumes that the main point in our society is a misconception about life due by the ruins of a Marxist ideology, which ignored what religion and ancient human instances had always pinpointed.
On the other hand, Stephen Fry claims that the core matter is just - as I think, but who am I? - a lack of cultural sensitivity. Their common trait, though, is that there's something to face, to fight, to overcome, to evolve from, to work on, and it's just up to us.
The huge thing is that the whole thing is so urgent, fundamental, deep and meaningful that no answer can be given, except the one that each of us chooses as his own proper.
This morning I was keeping thinking of a quote by Eduardo De Filippo, one of the most important Italian playwright in history:
"Theatre is the timeless, desperate human effort to make a sense with his life"
I think not only is it about theatre, or art, but also does involve life itself.
Ultimately Stephen fry as a homosexual means he’ll have different motivations as Peterson regarding family and motivation which is why Peterson connects with young men so much
Wow, he speaks so eloquently and conveys for me true ideas of humanity.
I found it interesting what he said about the personal and political perspective.
I also liked how he referred to what works in practical terms.
The Native American who was ok being called an Indian because he was more concerned as to how he was treated
fry is one of the rare celebrities who's actually not empty headed and vapid.
Its a joy to listen to Stephen. He gives one hope for the race...the human race, not the one to run!
Even when I disagree with Stephen Fry, I LOVE AND RESPESCT HIM.
what a fucking orator. god damn legend.
The line about those who are right being full of doubt and indecision is amazing.
Why can't our politicians be like this?