50km/h+ ENGWE M20 E-BIKE first look! Good & Bad!
Vložit
- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- A look at the Super73 E-bike cheaper alternative, With the winter Arctic Adventure in my self built campervan over and need to recuperate some costs. I am doing some partnership videos. This one is looking at a fat tire ebike called the ENGWE M20 e-bike. I have absolutely no experience with bikes and haven’t owned one in a decade, but this turned up in my inbox and I thought it looked cool and well. It’s electric and I like electric things so let’s have a look at it idiot trying to build it, and my initial thoughts for a novices review.
As stated in this video, this bike is NOT a UK road legal E bike. It should not be used on UK roads or cycle paths and is only for private land use due to its 750 W motor, maximum speed and throttle. All riding footage in this video was filmed on private land.
ENGWE e-bike is greatly suitable for outdoor activity (fishing, camping, hunting ad more) and daily commuting, which is the best gift for your Dad, now catch the opportunity and save up to $200/100 euros off!:
US: engwe-bikes.com/collections/a...
EU: engwe-bikes-eu.com/collection...
UK: engwe-bikes-uk.com/products/m20
ENGWE M20: engwe-bikes-eu.com/products/m20
#ebike #engwem20 #super73
_____________________________________
-----------
Gear up for adventure with these exclusive deals:
🔋 ROAMER BATTERIES! Elevate your journey - [Affiliate Link] roamer.com/?aff=16
🔥 AUTOTERM Discount Code: mispronounced5% - [Exclusive 5% off] planarheaters.co.uk/home
🚿 BOBILVANS Hot water ! - [Affiliate Link] www.bobilvans.co.uk/?ref=MPA5
☕️ Support the channel! Grab a coffee, beer, or diesel at: www.buymeacoffee.com/misprono...
🛒 Check out my curated Amazon Store for van build essentials: www.amazon.co.uk/shop/mispron...
Your purchases fuel the adventure. Thanks for being part of the journey! 🌟
Connect with the adventure on social media:
📧 Email: Alex@alexfrood.com
🌐 Expedition Photography Website: www.AlexFrood.com
📸 Instagram: / alexfrood
📘 Facebook: / alexfroodoutdoorinstru...
Stay in the loop and join the exploration! 🌍✨
Disclaimer: Some of these links are affiliate links where I'll earn a small commission if you make a purchase at no additional cost to you. Also as an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases at no extra cost to you.⚠️
____________________________________
n
It's nice to see your reviesas of all kind of e-bikes
Definitely a new fun area for me
As always great video well worth watching. Something for every one in it and full of relevent info.
Thank you, I tend to do more silly style reviews of this normal standard one, but time was a restraint on this one
Good review just subd 👍
I have an Engwe I've put 1200 miles on my X26 in 8 weeks
But I prefer long distance pedaling from the rear seat - beach cruiser style , works ok with a aftermarket 130mm handlebar headstock extension to give laid back riding position. pump rear shocks up around 120 -150 psi depending on terrain for extra damping.
I like the Engwe cruise control when initiated holding up button 3 seconds, cruise also keeps it below 200 watts @ 9-10 mph in eco/ normal pedal assist mode 👍
X26 Problems in 8 weeks hard riding =
1. auxiliary cross bar battery rattle if not stopped leads to battery self-destructing - the terminals disintegrate. fix = wrap 50mm gorilla tape around front of battery to eliminate rattle. order new terminal block from Engwe!!
2.Main seat post Battery drops when riding over rough terrain = leading to connection bottoming out on frame and battery connector self destructing because it passes the minimum height setting😬
fix= order new battery connector from Engwe
prevent battery bottoming by putting a stop bolt underneath the battery just above it minimum height setting 🤦
3.standard 26x4 " fat tyre inner tubes are very prone to punctures ,had 4 punctures in 2 weeks 😬
fix = installed heavy duty 6mm thick motorcycle inner tubes , so far NO more flats in 6-700 miles 🤞
I’ll look up the inner tubes
@@MispronouncedAdventures
For best puncture protection I use
20x4" fat tyre inner tube
heavy duty 4-6mm
325/350 X 16 " desert tube
26x4" fat tyre inner tube
I use heavy duty 4mm
275/300x21 " desert tube
🤞
Thanks for the video! I got mine a week ago, apart from the brakes are screaming like hell which I would love to know why...a great bike!!
Thank you, glad you liked the video. Its definitely a fun bike
Look cool , I want to try , you at Vanlife fes today
Years ago I used to test new tech products for Currys. We saw a lot of those cheap UK plug adaptors. At least they're very adaptable: you can connect those 2-pin plugs to them pretty much any way you like! 😂
Yeah, I’m not too surprised. they did actually apologise about it in my emails to them. and you are very correct orientation on those cables is not important.
@@MispronouncedAdventures Not when you can plug one of the pins into the earth! 😬🫣
@@ewanstevenson 😳 that definitely makes things a bit more spicy!!
You might check with the regulars to see if you might be able to obtain a waiver or special use permit to operate it on their roads. They can always say no!
I have the same bike but with the second battery. While it is definitely a budget ebike it is a lot of fun and performs very well for the price point.
Yes I agree it does have a dual battery option and to be honest getting to learn about the e-bike industry. I have seen how this is what it is a very reasonably priced e-bike. Whilst some of the e-bikes go for thousands
could i ask how tall are you ? I'm 6ft 1 & wondering if I'll fit this bike comfortably .
@@reverendjonlawson1313 I am 5'7" with a 30" inseam. At over 6' you can probably ride it comfortable but not pedal comfortably.
tell me more i am about to buy
THX 👍
Thank you for watching.
Hi nice van and limited space if it's used a lot daily , could you use a rear bike rack set up as bike could be useful at times. Enjoy. Scott
Even without a full garage it had a massive amounts of storage. It’s my home and used daily but isn’t built for bikes ( as I haven’t owned one in ten years ) so bring along every so often isn’t a problem. Would probably consider a bike rack for long-term bringing bikes on trips.
Maybe a bit off topic, i really enjoyed the artic series but what is next? Hot environment camping? Just curious.
I’ve got no problem with off topic, I’ll be going to Arctic next winter for round 3, my summer I’m working oversea in Eswatini & Malaysian Borneo. But I can’t make travel series with those 2 to the work. However, I can document them and show them to a degree.
Autumn as when I have more available time again, personally, I’d quite like to visit North Africa with the van
@Mispronounced Adventures North africa, would be nice. Did the trip from the netherlands to marokko with a old volvo about a decade ago. The stretch around the coast from france, portugal and after that north africa would make some nice video's. Thanks for the reply! I enjoy your way of video making!
Looks good but whats the weight full booted & spur, pls
Specs list the Bike total weight is 34.8kg. but I don’t know if that’s a two battery or single battery version like mine.
its 1 super 73 rx or 4 of these. and super 73's have a very bad reputation of broken frames and people suing them for braking their backs.
and yes EU laws state 250w pedal assist only. u could remove the throttle and limit the speed but then you'd still end up with a 750w motor. most people just put a 48v 250w sticker on them thats readily available online :)
I’ll be honest, I’ve never heard of a super 73 until I had to do a little bit of research for this video. They are expensive!
What are my other ebikes as a limited to 250w output from a 750w motor.
I do find the motor output wattage from an electrical point of view, interesting. Since motors don’t really have a fixed wattage output, it’s governed by the speed controller. After all, you could have a “250 W” motor at 36v, but if you use a 48V battery with it then it’s 333W motor.
Which I guess makes sense as speed controllers vary voltage at a extremely fast rate. So if the speed controller is capping the maximum voltage to make the motor only be able to achieve 250w
Yeah that is my point is exactly. Its not the highs and lows that are important but the average watts that count for manufacturers. Central hub motors are way better than rear hub motors but can break more easily. They are more efficient as well, So you can get a central hub on your pedals and its 250 watts but the motor is more efficient than the rear ones as the latter is pushing while the other is is behaving more like a gear box with a engine in it. I have never ridden one but a central hub motor is like riding a motor back etc - well that's what i have read.
Right on both counts
Which counts?
I’ll give you a big thumbs up for the video mate ..but the bike, not so sure!lol it does look good but build quality seems questionable 🤨
You had me laughing flying past shouting 51!!😂
Just so you know mate it’s me, Ant Hart ( as I used to be on here) Long time sub but on our new channel now that me and Cat have started the van build 😊I’ve only put 2 short clips up for now to start the channel but we’ll/ I’ll be using this channel from now on 👍🏼
Congratulations on the start of the new van build and the start of the new channel.
Yeah unfortunately not all of my videos can be the interesting sort of reviews due to time restrains. But that being said I do make the reviews honest, good and bad
My Gully Alex, what if you suggested a snow scooter on your winter snow hike 😬
Would certainly be easier! I hear “snow scooter” used for a number of thing. It’s that another name for snowmobile or more like what I think I e-scooter is?
@@MispronouncedAdventures I really don’t know, guess I mean snowmobile, the gasoline driven ones :-) I realize I literally translated from Dutch. Great episode gain anyway, best rgds Albert
An I see! That makes sense to me. I think people who have said Snowscooter to me before has been a translation from snowmobile
You could ask engwe to send you are 250 watt motor and so to make it legal for the UK.
A lot of the Engwe bikes now are sorted for the uk legal spec. Most still use the originally would be a 750w motor labelled as 250w as its limited to a 250w continuous output by the speed controller and the removal of the twist throttle
A lot of ebike motors are more than than 250 watts in out put really, they go way over in the power spikes to get up the hills. Apparently the motor is rated on average watts not the full power watts. Its like graphic cards are rated on their average frame rates not their high frame rate spikes etc. That is the reason a low power 250 watt motor can get up hills ok. They are more like 350 to 400 watts in top power and then it averages it out. That's how manufacturers sell 250s in Europe. The bike look great but it defiantly a noddy puller, a he or she will want to to know what it is. Mine you if your doing 50 mph on that thing they will go what the hell is that? Well only if they are bored lol. When my bike was working getting up the hill was a breeze and the acceleration of getting around traffic was great. It is hard to do that on a normal bike.
It looks like this sort of bike i would be bored of after a couple of weekends.
For me, I’m not a bike person and since it’s not practical in the UK since it’s a not uk road legal E-bike, I am inclined to agree.
But on the other hand, I do know a few people who have a similar style of bike, which makes the UK regs and they use them frequently so it’s down to personal preference I’d guess
@@MispronouncedAdventureswhat are the similar bikes which are road legal im looking for one
Why are u so much worried about uk road laws? Literally noone is riding according to them... your uber eats mccies would be cold at that point...
Certainly looks the part but wonder if it’s suitable for a 6 foot rider ?
I’m 6’2”. I didn’t really find it too small
@@MispronouncedAdventures thanks for the reply mate
@@muselive100 no problem 😁
Thanks for your neutrality !
Thank you if I get items for review it doesn’t mean they’re getting a good review it means is it gonna get the good and the bad if they’re real issues and it’s really bad I will probably contact the company
That lock you got in your goodie bag is one of the best out there. Seriously top quality bike lock. I'm pretty sure that is a max level 15 rated in bike locks.🤯🤙
How you getting on with the bike? I’m about to buy one.
Whilst the bike is a good price point for what it is and fun. I find it impractical for the uk with it not being legal for public use.
@@MispronouncedAdventures thanks for responding. Love your channel. Mine is ordered and on the way. Will make some amendments - raising seat etc, so this should help. 🙂
Hi
Hello there
Looks well cool, Uk spec dumbs these things down to a yawn
I agree, the uk laws could do with updating
Sponsors make the show-go-round. Sponsor awayyyyyy!
Thanks you. Yeah I think it’s a decent trade off. I make 16 video Arctic series at my own expense. Get back need a few sponsors to recuperate money.
@@MispronouncedAdventures You offer a great platform for sponsor exposure, and we get amazing videos that span frozen tundra to in-depth tech (with an occasional pirate video here and there, thrown in for good measure)....winning!! (keep up the great work)
@@myhificloud and for me, it allows me to also gain new assets as well, there is potentially a 3-D printer sponsored video coming up, which will longtime help me on my electrical projects. I am after a fat tyre bike for the next Arctic trip. This one isn’t suitable, but the one I’m testing in the next videos is actually really good for what I want
Can someone tell me the law in uk for this bike?
As stated in the video, not legal for uk road use ( private land with permission is not a problem ) due to a number of factors. Motor size 750w ( max 250w in uk ), has a twist throttle and max speed higher than 15.5mph
A Super 73 but 1/3 of the price..Shame the seat won't adjust..
Indeed, the seat is fixed
I like that bike. The rust does concern me because I would stow a bike on the outside of my van. I wonder if the manufacturer is taking note. 🫡🚚
Yeah, I agree it concerned me as well which is why I brought it up with them in the video.
Just because they gave me a bike for review, doesn’t mean they’re getting a necessarily completely positive one
Please check legislation for any country you bring that bad boy.
In most European countries using the EU regulations(and strangely enough, that includes Norway) you're limited to:
Max 250W motor, max top speed for the motor 25Km/h, motor assist only, or in certain cases only up to 4 or 8Km/h(usually for handicap cycles) and the motor has to stop assisting within 1.5 seconds of you stopping to pedal.
Some models that overstep those limitations can be used, but then they need to be type approved as Electric Moped or Motorcycle and be registered with plate and everything. Not many manufacturers do that because it's costly, and they don't really care about their customers. (Just because it's not legal to ride, it may still be legal to sell... )
Some are sold with 'adjustable motors', where you can reprogram a built-in limiter from 500/750/1000W down to 250 just by hooking the motor/controller up to a PC with an USB cable and running a small program. Here in Norway those are still considered to have the max power setting because there's no seal on it. They can be adjusted back up whenever the user wants. I expect many other countries look at it the same way.
Interestingly, the Norwegian Road traffic laws are not limited to public roads, but actually applies to private roads, also.
Years back, when kids were 'tricking out' their mopeds with 80cc cylinders, the rebuild kits were legal to sell, but completely illegal to use. They either had to have them approved as Light MC(not going to happen without approved brakes and other upgrades) or they could use them on a 'closed circuit' for practice or races held by a registered motorsports club. And no one was going to set up a racing league for 80cc scooters...
Whilst I’m not familiar with bikes, I did research the UK and EU laws on e-bikes. As said in the video this in completely illegal for uk road use and and only private land use ( where all the filming took place ) . whilst I didn’t say ( and I should of ) it’s the same for many of the EU l countries.
Unfortunately this model has a twist throttle so it can be used in public. I does have a speed limited mode to 25kph but that doesn’t effect the motor out of 750w and still have a throttle. So still can’t be used.
But thank you for the detailed reply, I don’t plan to use the bike in public because of this.
The adjustable motors bit I find interesting from a technical point of you. Since that in more governed by the Speed controller ( and in your example, what is actually being reprogrammed ) and the motor itself. As a 250w motor could be run at 36v volt, the same motor could be run at 48v and have a higher out put.
I guess law makers and tech often don’t have a complete understanding of each other
There's one thing for sure the law makers will fully catch up eventually, along with the police who will have to have training on law regarding them., there are so many imports of bikes like yours, that can go as fast as a moped. . Theres also powerful strand up scooters, which are reaching Incredible speeds.😢😢. I'm sure a lot of people don't know that all electric scooters are all illegal on UK roads, apart from a few trial areas in UK where you have to have rental one from an approved business, I think the reason why scooters are illegal is they don't have pedals lol so they would have to go through the same tests as cas to get road legal.
Thanks for the video.
Not sure this makes sense my dylexia seems bad today haha!
@@MispronouncedAdventures Actually, the voltage rating on a motor is more a minimum requirement than a max voltage it can take. I have a kit-built CnC router at home(first Gen ShapeOKO) and the stepper motors there are rated 12V. I run them at 48V... Brushless DC motors like those used in a bicycle can easily be run at 2x their rated voltage as long as they have adequate cooling. They just won't benefit much from it. (On my 12V steppers it means the coils are 'saturated' quicker and the magnetic fields are stable faster, so it can operate at higher speeds. On a bicycle that can't legally get up to much higher speed, going from 36 to 48V usually means better torque.)
Law makers never have a complete understanding, and lobbyists for and against an issue never give them the complete picture. And technical experts are rarely completely neutral.
With these being a 'hybrid' type vehicle it causes all kinds of 'follow up' issues, too.
e-Bikes were technically not legal here in Norway intil we ratified the EU regulations for them, but some enthusiats had already built some. The Authorities just turned a blind eye, really.
We have the 'right to roam' here as you know. With that also follows the right to walk and cycle on private roads, but not to drive on them. But Electric Bikes were classed as vehicles in the traffic laws... They finally made an exception specifically for e-bikes to use private roads.
@@Neontrifle your message make completely makes sense. And I completely agree with you. There are many people who are ignorant or unknowing to the laws regarding E bikes and scooters and their power out, speed limits features and how it affects are legality for public use. Which is why I mentioned multiple times in this video that this bike is illegal for UK road UK / public.
I think the UK E bike laws are pretty reasonable, but they could be updated. My other 2 e-bikes are UK road legal. I think some of these import companies which bringing to powerful ones get away with it because there’s nothing wrong with selling a electric bike for private use. Unfortunately the end user doesn’t know that or doesn’t care. That being said a few import companies have been caught out in recent years by the ASA because of this. Some have adapted to sell UK road legal versions and private use versions.
I put Slime in every 6 months
Is slime a preventative or when you have a puncture?
@@MispronouncedAdventures Preventative. It seals small punctures as you get them.
I can't say I've ever needed it as I use Kevlar lined tyres, but I would recommend you use it in those Fat tyres in the inner tube.
@@MispronouncedAdventures I use "Flat out" it's more expensive but much better than slime.
Don't ship yo the UK ..
I’ve just updated the links. The EU link no longer ships to the uk, added a uk link
@@MispronouncedAdventures brill let's take a look
beware engwe sent me defective x26 with stuck batt engwes fix was to tell me to pry out batt with screwdriver and sand a brand new ebike 🤪🤯 or to take to shop pay $300 and wait for a check. engwe also asked me to lie via email.