Netflix's Avatar S1x7 REACTION!! // Northern Water Tribe! LFG!
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So this adaptation is trying to show this big theme of Aang deeply caring for his friends and not putting them in harms way. The only problem is that the group is barely seen on screen together throughout the season and there wasn't enough time to actually establish them bonding. Seriously, they're separated every episode.
I think you guys are nailing it, it’s fun series and I liked it. I think we can all acknowledge it would’ve benefitted from more time, but I think there’s tons more good than bad.
Plus, it’s great to see you come into this with the intent to enjoy it, I’ve seen some people who watched this series only looking for bad stuff. Like, how do you enjoy stuff if you’re only watching it to look for negatives? Anyway, good stuff guys!
I LOVE this show, and I think they did a lot of wonderful things!! I’m with Morgan, I never expected it to be the same, but still respected it enough.
I LOVE this adaptation and have been thoroughly enjoying y’all’s reactions. Don’t listen to the haters!
I think the lack of Aang's water-bending training is due to survivor's guilt. More than once, we've seen he blame himself for the massacre of his people. He needs to get past that to focus on his lessons. I believe that's the point of his S1 arc.
it's also a very good way to tie into something that also happens in the cartoon which is his refusal to learn firebending because of guilt after hurting katara, that's just the type of person he is
Oh thank you for the explanation. I can sleep better now. Hopefully with the time jump, we see him waterbending
This really doesn't work because Aang literally did nothing wrong. He didn't run away like the original, he just went out to cool his head and coincidentally got lost in a storm at the same time (a huge contrivance btw). So trying to focus on that was just a big mistake that took away so many of the good character moments from him learning water bending, or any bending for that matter in Book 1.
@@darkavatar21-do6un, but he still believed he shouldn’t have left. It isn’t until Gyatso confirmed he would’ve died had he stayed, that he was able to let go of his grief
@darkavatar i agree with you 100%
I love zhao.... I'm gonna miss him now sad
As someone who grew up with ATLA since 2005 I honestly I like the Netflix show a lot. Sure, it's not as perfect as ATLA the cartoon but it's a pretty good adaptation doing some unique takes that I think are good and interesting. I just try not to listen to all the hate.
In fairness to this show, there was a lot that was rushed about the North in the original too. In the cartoon, Sokka and Yue seemed to have even less development without their previous meeting.
In adaptations now, I've found the same as you: when they deviate (and by that I mean keep the spirit or even a specific sequence but add something else into the story like they did with the blue spirit) from the OG is when stuff really hits, when they try to remake the OG without context is the weakest points. Which really makes a lot of people mad (I've seen several people say that they should have done a shot for shot, line for line remake of the OG just in live action). I think Morgan is right that Avatar is a lot of people's comfort show and part of that is always knowing exactly what's going to happen in what way - going into an adaptation with that mindset is setting yourself up for disappointment because what makes adaptations great is when you change stuff to fit the new medium/add to the themes and character rather than replicating everything.
I agree that Sokka and Yue's relationship is rushed, but it's still 10,000 times better than the animated XD I rewatched season 1 after this to double check my memory on some things and Yue is such a non-character in the animated series and her and Sokka's interactions are so empty its pretty jarring. At least here, we got to see them actually connecting over real stuff. Still could use more episodes, but I get that this is a cartoon canon relationship that was important to Sokka so they couldn't exactly nix it even if it doesn't make much sense and is way too fast.
I really really like how they did the reveal about women not being allowed to do combat better than how they did it in the animated show - it was a much more 'paternal sexism' type of thing that comes off as caring at first until you realize the restrictions. Pakku actually respects Yagoda and healing is given the respect and time it deserves here, too. In the animated show, Katara sees going to the healing huts as punishment, as the thing that's the 'not good' side of waterbending and the narrative shows it's only children learning it - and doesn't even show the lesson, clearly telling the viewer 'healing is stupid and pointless and we don't want to like it, combat is where it's at'. Here, Katara is able to show genuine interest in all aspects of waterbending and not look down on a certain part - and we got to see how it actually works, THEN she gets upset she isn't also allowed to do combat. I think that's a much more 'feminist' way to show the sexism in the NWT rather than the very 2000's "Women's work is stupid and bad, feminism is when women punch hard too!" lesson that was pushed in the OG
What are they talking about here. Katara did moves we had never seen during her fight with master paku in the original too. In the original sokka and yue had 3 twenty minute episodes which was rushed already. Here at least there was context of them having a previous connection. I think that just because this is live action it feels rushed but when compared to the original those 2 things are given more time here. Just because the original is animated i think people just accept things for that reason because it isnt "real"
💯 agree! 😭 like
I love your discussions. I think the problem with many reactions I've seen is that the series is actually organized around dual episodes. The first two go together. The Omashu episodes go together. The spirit episodes. And now the northern water tribe episodes. It's hard to evaluate them separately.
agree, some of the first part of the two parters end up being worse in comparison with the 2nd part where we get the payoff
I really much preferred the message behind the live action's resolution between Katara and Pakku. In the original animation, Pakku essentially trained Katara out of favouritism borne from convenient narrative convenience (i.e. Katara being the granddaughter of his long lost love) and didn't really learn or change (or at least, if he did, it wasn't in a particularly narratively coherent path). Here, Katara instead impressed and showed the rest of the Northern Water Tribe how their traditions and Pakku were wrong, and that women could be capable fighters. From a moral perspective, the latter has a much better message.
In the next episode it also solves the 'Katara as the token feminist' issue the OG had too - Yagoda is an actual character in the live action and ALL the women stand up to help, it's not just Katara being the lone woman who thinks things need to change in the NWT
Hard agree!
I always interpreted as Pakku having a moment of clarity & self-refection when he saw the necklace. Like, his betrothed left and settled down in a community that raised a girl like Katara. After realizing that, he couldn't tell himself Kanna left for any other reason than his own attitude anymore. Seeing himself clearly for the first time through the eyes of the granddaughter of the woman he loved inspired him to change.
@@Merith89 That's more or less what I said and precisely why I dislike the story. As you succinctly explained, Pakku in the original animation changed his mind not because he realised that women can indeed be capable warriors but because he realised the woman he loved disagreed with his values. Had Katara not been related to Gran Gran, Pakku would not have changed his mind and values no matter how capable she proved herself.
And by extension, it seemed like in the original animation, it's only because Pakku changed his mind that the Northern Water Tribe changed their traditions and culture; seemingly lacking any thoughts or agency of their own. By contrast, the live-action adaptation shows that they do.
Personally, I feel the hate train is just that - a train. A case of a handful of notable figures, with possibly unrealistic expectations, hating on the show; resulting in a cascade of others bandwagon-ing and dogpiling on the show; as an easy target and a way to generate clicks. Does the show have flaws? Yes. Is it enough to render the show completely horrible and irredeemable? Not even close. A lot of the problems - I feel - stem from practical issues combined with flaws that already exist within the original animated series (that critics either deliberately ignore or have simply forgotten).
Yes, the dialog is heavy on exposition with lots of handholding for the viewers. However, I feel this is a natural result of wanting to make the show accessible to a wide audience, many of whom are unfamiliar with the series or even fantasy genres in general. Season 1 of the animated series definitely had the same problem too. Another issue, I suspect stems from the show having many child actors (i.e. limited acting experience / training and restricted filming schedules) combined with a new team (showrunners, writers, directors, actors) who aren't familiar with one another or what the others can pull off. Particularly on the writers and showrunners' part, that would once again lead them to bake the plot into the dialog and script (where they have much more direct control) rather than leave it up to chance. As the team matures, gain experience, and become more familiar with each others' capabilities, I expect the writing to become more complex and nuanced.
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Yup!!
Unpopular opinion: I think Aang's lack of water bending training is necessary for the live action. For it being the first season, introducing the world to a new audience, each character needs their "thing" to be instantly recognizable to the new audience. Also aang is ostensibly going to be trained by Katara. We saw in the first episode that she was just learning water bending. So we needed to see Katara not only showing off her skills, but also being recognized as a master by someone else. Otherwise you'd have that portion of the audience going, "Why is he learning from her? Why isn't he learning from a master?" because you know how people are. This way, we can start season 2 with aang knowing water bending and it won't be much of a reach to think, "Oh, katara trained him." and we won't have wasted any screen time.
it also makes less of a difference people think cause at this point in the og show, Aang was barely using waterbending, he only really started taking it seriously around the start of the 2nd book, which would track with this iteration and their time skip
@@Jehphg Yes, agreed.
That's an unpopular opinion for a reason because that's juat bad writing. Offscreening him learning water bending between seasons is such a lazy way to develop that. Especially when him learning it helped him connect more to Katara and led to some really good character moments like Katara being jealous of him. There's also the other problem of Katara becoming a master on her own with no training whatsoever.
@@darkavatar21-do6un Nah.
@@smashbrandiscootch719 Nice argument. There's a reason why it has low critical and audience ratings and the views for this show have dropped off a cliff
The lack of Aang water blended is due to the directors trying to compensate for the growing actors ,specifically Aang.
The animated series takes place over 2-3 months, the live action will take place over 2-3 years.
If Aang waterbended in the first season it wouldn’t make sense as to why he spent so much time not looking for an earth bending teacher between seasons 1 and 2.
exactly
Book 1: Water. The first season should have, just like the original, put some focus on Aang learning waterbending alongside katara. This show was just padded with too much unneeded exposition and they rushed through some major points to get to the end because of it.
*@IsaacOsho-fb9zj* _"....live action will take place over 2-3 years"_ I suspect the story will take place over an even longer period - e.g. 5 years in-universe. They may already want to make a time jump between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2, since it's already been two years since the original filming period (with the actors already looking visibly older). It will take time for production for season two to start up and they may not be in a position to film season 2 and 3 back-to-back, potentially resulting in the need for even more time. I expect season 2 won't even be aired until 2026 at the earliest, and likelier 2027 (they have to cast, film, and then do the visual effects). And then, maybe 2028/2029 at the earliest for season 3.
At 2:50 I have to chime in before watching the rest of this upload to %100 agree with Morgan on some people’s expectations that were not meant
I love this version of Zhao. He's the perfect mix of ambitious schemer and pathetic pawn, as well as a stellar performance. Have a little nonchalant scumbag as a treat 💝
I like to think seeing as sky bison are air benders, the area around them is relatively "bubbled" so they don't have to shout
Great reaction love to see your input on the show. Keep the great work up ❤❤
I think there’s a difference between adding things and changing the story. Let’s be real this was a kids show about a very dark world. They should have just given us scenes of the world we never got in the cartoon instead of changing so much of the story. Like I’m this episode the prisoners being used as training for Azula was really interesting and didn’t change the story it just added to it
I like this show and I respect it even if Ido not agree with some of its decisions. I feel like this show still has potential and I would like to see it grow.
I also agree with what you are all saying about it needing a few more episodes.
I think 10 episodes a season would be great, 12 episodes would be perfect. Hopefully with the bigger budget they'll have, they'll be able to do that in the future.
I totally agree HOWEVER, I think the show is burdened w/ (2) challenges to getting more screentime: 1) trying schedule child actors around their own plans and abiding by the rules for child performers, 2) the insecurity and uncertainty the production adopt w/ having more episodes and not knowing how much more CG sauce they would need
I personally think the show had enough CG and needed more thoughtful stage drama in those extra episodes, but if you’re a producer you might be nervous about having less CG per episode, and fewer episodes calculates to a lesser CG budget
The Fox assisting is a good idea for 20 years from now when they do the remake. This is the world we live in.
Was Morgan at one point in the video about to quote Jon Lajoie? 😆
these hardcore fans really need to chill LMAO
I’d also like to see a minutes to minutes comparison to the animated series, see how much time was spent on everything
Katara was never better than Aang at water bending until after the season 1 finale
Well of course it felt more natural; as speedy as it was between Suki and Sokka. We all know who he ends up with in the end.
3:29 nah, it’s a good adaption. I think did a great job overall and I’m glad yall are just enjoying yourselves even when there are choices you aren’t thrilled about . No reason to hate on it.
Enjoyed your reaction as usual.
Just thought I would chime in a lil bit about some of the things you were addressing in your discussion, and my opinions on some of the changes and some of the things they kept the same. inb4 TLDR, its a bit lengthy, I know. Sorry!
In regards to Katara's waterbending, I think they actually did a better job of explaining her abilities in the live action compared to the original cartoon. In the OG, she pulled out the ice disks against Pakku, but there was no mention of where she learned to do that, unlike in the live action where Aang specifically addresses her progress, and she explains that it was something she picked up from watching the Earth Benders. There were quite a few moments in the cartoon where she just 'suddenly knew how to do things' out of no where, which imo was weak writing in the original. At least here, she doesn't learn how to heal because "I guess I always knew" (line for line what she says when she heals her burned hands, after Aang attempts firebending), but instead because she learned how to do it from the healing waterbending master in the North. Sure, she was 'a natural' when learning from her here, but at least it gives a reason for how she picked it up. In her confrontation with Jet, in both live action and cartoon, she pulls out that she picked up how to freeze someone intentionally. In the cartoon she does this by accident in episode 2, but I don't think we see her do it on purpose until Jet's episode, so this seems fairly consistent.
In regards to Aang's lack of waterbending, I do think that was a bit of a let down, though not terribly necessary to the main plot, as Aang almost never uses waterbending in combat until season 2. His waterbending proficiency in the cartoon was mostly used to offer something meaningful character development wise for Katara in the pirate episode, but since that episode was basically cut out of the adaptation, they also removed how much more quickly he picked up waterbending compared to Katara. In its place they put more focus on Aang's grief, and his attachment to Gyatso, and how it created a bit of a learning block from pursuing his training further. By the time this was a bit more resolved, it was the couple of episodes just before this one, so he hasn't really had the opportunity time wise to train with Katara. This is a good change imo in regards to building more upon Aang's attachment to his friend/culture, but it does harm his progress in becoming a fully realized avatar by the end of the series. I expect there to be a time jump between season one and two to compensate this, potentially with a bit of a training montage to ease us into season 2 and Aang's journey to find an earthbending teacher.
In regards to Yue and Sokka's relationship feeling like it developed too quickly, I think that might be due to the difference between animation and live action. Its really hard to build up chemistry between real people to the point where it doesn't feel rushed. I liked that they added that Sokka had met Yue prior in the spirit world, because it gives them a chance to build upon his curiosity and interest in her, and give them an additional scene that didn't exist in the original to try to flesh out their relationship more. Sokka and Yue were ready to kiss each other within the first 20 minute episode of the cartoon where he meets her, which is imo far more rushed than what we have here in the live action. If it were up to me though, I would have had Yue flirting with Sokka the same as here, but *not* kiss him after her "boy of my dreams" line. I would have saved that kiss for the same time as when it happened in the cartoon, where she was about to sacrifice herself for the moon spirit. She could have thanked Sokka for being there with her, etc etc, and I think it would have hit more by that point.
Anyway, if you made it through all of that, thanks for reading! I'm really enjoying your reactions, and I think there's plenty of valid criticisms for this show. There's plenty of room for improvement, but I'm glad you're enjoying things and I'm hoping they nail season 2.
Yes! I agree with all of this! Katara's growth in waterbending was shown in the live action - we got to see her learning from Aang, a bit of mental learning from Jet, the waterbending scroll, AND watching other benders. In the animated show, Katara is just doing all her stuff without even the scroll until almost halfway through the season, then we never see her using the scroll to practice after the pirates episode. To me, seeing her go from not being able to even lift water, then getting spiritual/mental advice, physical practice from the scroll, and finally emotional healing from her mother's death was a much more satisfying and earned arc for Katara than just 'she's great at waterbending and fighting, this has never been questioned, and now we're gonna fight Pakku'. The live action SHOWED Katara working for it.
I still have hope for the next season. These last 2 episodes I think were the strongest for Katara. Aang still needs more acting lessons. But I hope they take some of the feedback and try to improve on their interpretation of the story.
Wheres the finale?
If you're expecting a one for one, just watch the animated series.
Yeah that’s what we’ve been saying!!!
Can we stop with this strawman? People have been pointing out the bad writing on its own and the unnecessary changes that downgrade the story and characters significantly like with Katara. Hardly anybody is saying it should be a 1:1 adaptation.
People are upset at this show because hate sells and immediately after it was released a lot of articles got out inflamming people against it, most of the complains are dumb as fuck, and honestly muddy the conversation about the actual problems the adaptation has which are not taken seriously because of all the hate mongering and hyperbole being thrown around. I'm so glad you guys were in your bubble because people being sourpusses didn't spoil it for u, but I would honestly lose a bit respect if now it colored your enjoyment of the show, although I don't expect it will at all.
Edit: All the Mother of Faces and the Kuruk stuff was taken directly from the extended media, they're canon so that's also super cool and I think the showrunners aren't taking enough credit for that
This is just cope for the critic and audience scores being low. The fact is that this was a badly done adaptation by most measures and no, most of the complaints were not dumb. Every review has pointed out the bad writing.
21:36 I always find that little march charge up that Azula does to be very tacky lol
Aang bending doesn't matter in Book 1. He fire,water,and air bends in Book 1 because he is naturally gifted. But Aang water bending has nothing to do with the finale. Of course, Katara was sidelined most of this versions season. If the critics about her actress are correct then we know why. Hopefully, it was just the writing and directing.
Which critics about the actress?
Whres ep 8
On the way!
@@SeanTanktop 🔥
Totally agree about Yue from the movie was better
Atleast not from the back, with her Penis looking hair
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I agree with you about Yue’s casting, the only thing that the movie that doesn’t exist in Ba Sing Se did better than the live action!
At least Yue from the movie kinda got redemption when she became the voice of Asami for LOK!
It's crazy how loud a minority can be. The numbers of folks watching don't lie. The only thing perfect is a memory, and that's what people do, idealize the memory of things they grew up with. I'm 44 and saw the cartoon as an adult, so I already knew it wasn't perfect. I mean it's a great show, but it's got issues in character arches that are janky and people being cartoonish or one note, which was fine because it was a cartoon. That stuff doesn't play in live action so changes were necessary so it's people on screen and not cartoons. This show tells its own story really well, with some amazing performances. One Piece changed plenty, but ignorance regarding the source material protected it from the angry mobs of millennial performative outrage.
You're right.
People are holding the animated S1 to higher regard than they did before the life action came out, S1 was always the weak link
Yep.
I don't think this show suffered from needing more episodes. It suffered from bad writing that lead to bad pacing. Too much time wasted on exposition that wasn't needed. Just do the thing, stop explaining it because eventually it spells itself out. Where this show runs 480 minutes total vs the original at 460 minutes, it shouldn't feel this rushed. Love your reactions to this show, but not this show itself👎🏽
Some of the writing choices for lack of time, and convenience's sake left me head scratching in disappointment. Aang just has his bison whistle. Kanna just has the water bending scroll to give to Katara. Both these items were looted from their rightful place in their cultures, likely by fire nation soldiers, and reclaiming them was a small yet powerful victory against the 100 year war. Alas, no time for that, so they just have them.
Yeah why do you talk so much during the musical numbers in Avatar. This is a musical right.