A stable pitcher that can throw a high 80s to low 90s fastball up and in and low and away consistently is more effective than a 100 mph flame-thrower with inconsistent control.
I can name you so many horrible pitchers in the MLB, this guy is one incredible talent. even great pitchers have gas can moments and I should know because of daily fantasy and how much baseball just screws you.
When i went to a game he threw six 100+ mph fast balls, resulting in a full count, then threw a 89 mph curveball, everyone was laughing at the dudes timing while hitting
@@tolen1689 arm blowout. Never heard that one before 😂 He will likely tear his rotator cuff or have tommy John in the next 2-3 years at this rate. You can only throw that hard for so long.
Still waiting for MLB to start measuring pitches 10 feet from home plate instead of right out of the hand. Then we’ll see how fast these guys are actually throwing lol.
Not really. Nowadays pitchers come back perfectly fine after TJ surgery. Many up and coming top recruits literally get the surgery before even getting to the pros. With today's medical advancements TJ is a non issue for pitchers. Hell a lot of pitchers actually throw even faster after because that ligament isn't gonna tear again. And fyi it's basically guaranteed he's gonna need TJ at some point in his career. I'd be willing to bet it'll be within 2 years
It's simply the hardest thing in any sport. There is no doubt. You could give 500 non-pro players an AB against this guy, I doubt any of them make contact, let alone a hit.
He will last, but to say he's unhittable, as a lifelong Twins fan is very incorrect. He's blown a fair number of saves, hitters can connect with 105 mph fastball. His curve and junk breaks so hard that it's usually not a strike and often the catcher needs to put his body in front of it. He's amazing and one of the best saves guys, but not the best yet.
@@launchbase4944 He has this pitch that Twins broadcast calls a Splinker. A splitter/sinker combo. I think its the 90s pitch the creator here was calling a curveball but im not 100% sure.
love the content, really nice video. question: you noted that when a batter fouls a ball straight back, it means they barely missed strong contact (not your exact quote, but that’s the idea) i played baseball through my childhood, til i was 20 years old i watched many hundreds of games, if not a couple thousand full games i heard announcers say that datum over and over and over again it seems completely false to me it seems more like that the batter *FELT* they just missed it, probably because no reverberation through the bat, a nice fluid swing, etc but…it seems like, in terms of physics, *that’s* the foul ball indicating they almost completely *missed* the ball after all, foul straight back seems to mean the batter made the *least* amount of available contact and on the other hand, the foul ball that made a lot of barrel, just barely made it behind the netting of home plate, and may have actually stung the batters hands…*that’s* the one they actually just missed, even though the contact didn’t *feel* great thoughts?
It can mean they just swung under it, but looking back, I may not be entirely correct about that in the video. Most likely, he was a bit late to the pitch, so didn’t barely miss it, but honestly, even making contact against a pitch like that is pretty impressive.
Pretty sure he's referring to the timing. He had really great timing on the ball just the location of the bat was low. When you're late it'd foul off way right as a righty hitter. If you look at the side view of the pitch he met the ball at a pretty good time. He was ever so slightly late but had he actually locate the bat a little higher the most it'd go to the right would be the gap between CF and RF. That hit squared would have been a gap shot
It definitely moves like a hybrid pitch. Some of them have more run, others have more sink. I went with splitter because that’s what baseballsavant said.
It’s still a splitter, it can’t be both. They wouldn’t make a completely new pitch type for only 1 guy that throws it. Splinker is purely a nickname, similar to “The Airbender” for Devin Williams, it’s still a changeup
@@jonathanwestmeyer3075 it’s heavily pronated change up which is basically a screw ball that’s literally how they used to teach people to throw them at first , pitches have pitch names for a reason like pitch grip & pronation people called devins pitch a change up because of the ways its gripped Duran doesn’t grip he’s like a splitter
@@Christopher-tayso you realize you still probate a changeup right? And screwballs have different grips than changeups, that what makes his a changeup and not a screwball. Duran most definitely grips it like a splitter as well, it’s not as wide as most in the league, but a splitter nonetheless
@@jonathanwestmeyer3075 I never said they weren’t pronated why do you think I said “heavily “ also I said that’s how they would teach people to throw them at first like when they’re learning how to throw it , I’m confused if you have trouble reading or your just being intellectually dishonest . Lastly you don’t know that he “definitely “ grips it like a splitter because he’s never publicly shown his grip all we have is what it looks like coming out the hand or in the glove and it’s obvious that his grip is no where near as deeps as splitter. I appreciate your input tho
He'd be dominant for 2 years get TJ. Be great for 1 more year and then will have other injuries all around his arm. See Degrom for example. Duran would have a shorter shelf life though
@@StupendousSport the reason why they are under the ball is very oftenly because they are late on the pitch. Since all batters have an upward swing path, being late means the bat did not have time to reach the right height, cause you to nick the bottom of the ball.
crazy to say this, but twins pitching is nice. Sonny, Lopez, Ryan, duran, and lets not even mention the nastiest pitcher, brock stewert. Thats another guy whos maybe the most unhittable picher,
Duran calls the pitch a splinker. It’s a modified splitter grip which is closer to a sinker grip than a splitter, but thrown with pressure applied like a splitter. I know it may not say whether or not TJ in his future, but figured it may be worth mentioning if you didn’t know.
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People saying he won’t last apparently don’t realize he’s a closer, not a starter. He might get 40-50 pitches a week.
He's also huge! I don't think he'll last as long as Chapman has, though. But he'll throw really hard for a long time!
Here for the Undertaker-like entrance. The best I've ever seen.
im glad my twins finally have another johan that can unleash demons
Not only 104…but 104 tailing away. It’s amazing to me that any player in the big leagues hits 300 anymore. Pitching is simply ridiculous
Not everybody throws like that there are plenty of hittable pitchers for MajorLeague hitters!!!
Didn't take much to amaze you
A stable pitcher that can throw a high 80s to low 90s fastball up and in and low and away consistently is more effective than a 100 mph flame-thrower with inconsistent control.
Mostly only closers throw velocities that high the starting pitchers throw 70-90 pitches in a game usually most of them being in the low to mid 90s
I can name you so many horrible pitchers in the MLB, this guy is one incredible talent. even great pitchers have gas can moments and I should know because of daily fantasy and how much baseball just screws you.
His pitch speeds are broken.
4 Seam: 102-104 T105
Splinker: 97-99 T101
12-6 Curve: 87-90
Unbelievable.
Splinker? Is that the hybrid slider/splitter?
The comment section answered my question. It’s a splitter sinker hybrid
The 12-6 Curve topped at 92 MPH
😂
How do people hit this stuff bro
Even nastier for his arm
Splinker sounds like a pitch that would force me to quit baseball
His curve is faster than some pitchers' fastball. Stud.
When i went to a game he threw six 100+ mph fast balls, resulting in a full count, then threw a 89 mph curveball, everyone was laughing at the dudes timing while hitting
Flamethrower is an understatement
And his entrance is insane also
Bro looks like his arm is gonna fly off after every pitch
I swear I be thinking he suffering from an arm blowout
@@tolen1689 arm blowout. Never heard that one before 😂 He will likely tear his rotator cuff or have tommy John in the next 2-3 years at this rate. You can only throw that hard for so long.
@@blscheffer1 that’s basically what it is my coach just use that term
@@blscheffer1 he can throw much longer than that if he’s as careful as chapman and bulks up like chapman and chapman and chapman and aroldis chapman
Still waiting for MLB to start measuring pitches 10 feet from home plate instead of right out of the hand. Then we’ll see how fast these guys are actually throwing lol.
i love how the catcher catches a 100+mph ball so casually... i was running when my teammate threw a 60 at me
Wow, that's crazy to think about. Were you using a catcher's mitt?
outstanding: the pitcher, the idea, and the video editing + commentary. great stuff! thanks.
These new pitchers were all made in a lab im sure
God forbid if Duran gets TJs it will be the saddest day in baseball.
Not really. Nowadays pitchers come back perfectly fine after TJ surgery. Many up and coming top recruits literally get the surgery before even getting to the pros. With today's medical advancements TJ is a non issue for pitchers. Hell a lot of pitchers actually throw even faster after because that ligament isn't gonna tear again. And fyi it's basically guaranteed he's gonna need TJ at some point in his career. I'd be willing to bet it'll be within 2 years
@eric. The ligament, after surgery, can definitely tear. There’s pitchers with multiple TJ surgeries.
It happens to every pitcher these days its only a matter of time, but almost everyone bounces back from it
It's simply the hardest thing in any sport. There is no doubt. You could give 500 non-pro players an AB against this guy, I doubt any of them make contact, let alone a hit.
I wouldn't even want to make contact using a wood bat. I bet it's like one of those trick handshake buzzers times a million.
He will last, but to say he's unhittable, as a lifelong Twins fan is very incorrect. He's blown a fair number of saves, hitters can connect with 105 mph fastball. His curve and junk breaks so hard that it's usually not a strike and often the catcher needs to put his body in front of it. He's amazing and one of the best saves guys, but not the best yet.
Thanks for the video!
You should see him throw a cut-splurve-up. Amazing!
a fucking what
@@launchbase4944 He has this pitch that Twins broadcast calls a Splinker. A splitter/sinker combo. I think its the 90s pitch the creator here was calling a curveball but im not 100% sure.
You should do more analysis like this with different pitchers.
I would shake in my cleats facing him in the Batters box 💀
whats your opinion of ben Joyce?
his elbow is gonna get torn to shreds but hes gonna be fun to watch for as few seasons lol
exactly what I was thinking. There is a reason why you don't see more pitchers doing this...
He's just a closer with a limit of about 20 pitches.
He was a starter in the minors
love the content, really nice video.
question: you noted that when a batter fouls a ball straight back, it means they barely missed strong contact (not your exact quote, but that’s the idea)
i played baseball through my childhood, til i was 20 years old
i watched many hundreds of games, if not a couple thousand full games
i heard announcers say that datum over and over and over again
it seems completely false to me
it seems more like that the batter *FELT* they just missed it, probably because no reverberation through the bat, a nice fluid swing, etc
but…it seems like, in terms of physics, *that’s* the foul ball indicating they almost completely *missed* the ball
after all, foul straight back seems to mean the batter made the *least* amount of available contact
and on the other hand, the foul ball that made a lot of barrel, just barely made it behind the netting of home plate, and may have actually stung the batters hands…*that’s* the one they actually just missed, even though the contact didn’t *feel* great
thoughts?
It can mean they just swung under it, but looking back, I may not be entirely correct about that in the video. Most likely, he was a bit late to the pitch, so didn’t barely miss it, but honestly, even making contact against a pitch like that is pretty impressive.
Pretty sure he's referring to the timing. He had really great timing on the ball just the location of the bat was low. When you're late it'd foul off way right as a righty hitter. If you look at the side view of the pitch he met the ball at a pretty good time. He was ever so slightly late but had he actually locate the bat a little higher the most it'd go to the right would be the gap between CF and RF. That hit squared would have been a gap shot
Pretty amazing that anyone can even get a bat on any of those pitches.
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Some of the pitches these guys can throw now are freakin cheat codes
It’s not a splitter it’s a splinker (splitter/sinker ) he grips it wider then a sinker but not as deep as a splitter overall good video ❤️
It definitely moves like a hybrid pitch. Some of them have more run, others have more sink. I went with splitter because that’s what baseballsavant said.
It’s still a splitter, it can’t be both. They wouldn’t make a completely new pitch type for only 1 guy that throws it. Splinker is purely a nickname, similar to “The Airbender” for Devin Williams, it’s still a changeup
@@jonathanwestmeyer3075 it’s heavily pronated change up which is basically a screw ball that’s literally how they used to teach people to throw them at first , pitches have pitch names for a reason like pitch grip & pronation people called devins pitch a change up because of the ways its gripped Duran doesn’t grip he’s like a splitter
@@Christopher-tayso you realize you still probate a changeup right? And screwballs have different grips than changeups, that what makes his a changeup and not a screwball. Duran most definitely grips it like a splitter as well, it’s not as wide as most in the league, but a splitter nonetheless
@@jonathanwestmeyer3075 I never said they weren’t pronated why do you think I said “heavily “ also I said that’s how they would teach people to throw them at first like when they’re learning how to throw it , I’m confused if you have trouble reading or your just being intellectually dishonest . Lastly you don’t know that he “definitely “ grips it like a splitter because he’s never publicly shown his grip all we have is what it looks like coming out the hand or in the glove and it’s obvious that his grip is no where near as deeps as splitter. I appreciate your input tho
These pitches are war crimes
Miller and Castillo have entered the convo.
Who remembers Joel Zumaya. Back when everyone threw 90-95 instead of 95-100
The man is a marvel
Bro first pitch looked like he threw a wiffle ball 😂
damn...i'm a casual fan and mostly watch highlights of baseball but how have i never heard of this dude. seems like a cheat code
Minnesota sports don’t get media coverage
check out Emanuel Clase
103mph cutter 🔥
Yo cuz. How about Spencer Strider?!?
Literally unhittable
Most likely won’t have the longest career but man is he gonna be entertaining. Hope he can keep his arm healthy.
He's a closer not a starter I'm thinking he will do just fine bud.
I'm glad I got to see this masterpiece live
First closer that I feel the game is locked up for the Twins once they are in the game since Joe Ryan.
Nathan* 😂
@@joehanson9287 even Nathan blew a lot of games in the postseason
Duran is nasty
You can pronate a two seam or four seam
The Twins keep him in cold storage between outings
I wish he was a starter but, he would probably throw his arm out first start 😭
He'd be dominant for 2 years get TJ. Be great for 1 more year and then will have other injuries all around his arm. See Degrom for example. Duran would have a shorter shelf life though
there is no probably thats why he is throwing 20 pitches max
I has pitched 2 innings at a time a couple times this year. He was a starter a few tears ago in the minors.❤
Trever Bauer says fouling back doesn't mean anything, i believe him.
Fouling back means you are late
@@StupendousSport the reason why they are under the ball is very oftenly because they are late on the pitch. Since all batters have an upward swing path, being late means the bat did not have time to reach the right height, cause you to nick the bottom of the ball.
trevor bauer is a terrible person so i don't believe him 💯
@@adamania31 what makes you say that?
bauer didnt say this, he literally has a video where he was explaining how to tell when a hitter was late when fouling the ball back.
Hes basically a WAY better version than Chapman. Ok gotcha
That scrolling of the names makes me dizzy
that was 104.6
Joe Kelly has a nasty pitch
crazy to say this, but twins pitching is nice. Sonny, Lopez, Ryan, duran, and lets not even mention the nastiest pitcher, brock stewert. Thats another guy whos maybe the most unhittable picher,
Nasty ! ….Should be headed for TJ surgery in the next year or two
it looks like you are ripping off the thumbnail style of iTalk Studios.
Hunter Greene? He's the hardest thrower!
Familia is out of the game!
Splitters are absolutely terrible for your arm. I hope Duran can keep this up but i really think Tommy John is inevitable.
Hes throwing 100 every game tommy John is inevitable
TJ surgery very much in his future … if the twins aren’t in the running for a playoff spot I would trade him while his value is sky high
Duran calls the pitch a splinker. It’s a modified splitter grip which is closer to a sinker grip than a splitter, but thrown with pressure applied like a splitter. I know it may not say whether or not TJ in his future, but figured it may be worth mentioning if you didn’t know.
EMMANUEL FUCKING CLASE
Hes next best
Personally, I prefer joe kelly,but I digress
He has the nastiest stuff in the league. Almost not hitable
Aroldis Chapman better and right handed