Sarah, Steve, Jonah, and David French discuss the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump during a Pennsylvania rally over the weekend.
I find it funny that Jonah is talking about turning the temperature down when in this same podcast he referenced that he wrote a book titled “liberal fascism” …he’s right that people should be more thoughtful and he should be leading that change by coming to terms with the fact that some of his deeply held beliefs about how the world functions and what the left is either needs to be revised or reconstructed
@@johndillon8051because in this podcast they said the shooter did not make the donation to act blue. The shooter did make the donation to act blue and it has been confirmed by nbc news and NYT who pulled the fec data and confirmed it.
@@Anonymous0573 perhaps it was never stated that he donated to the organization that she mentions and her statement is true..but irrelevant and meant to misdirect.
In America we have a shared narrative about Fascism, dictatorship, and Democracy. "Vote against the coming Fascist Dictatorship" literally makes zero sense given this narrative. Voting is something you do under ordinary circumstances. But in the state of crisis--which is what the rhetoric about Trump appeals to--there is no voting away the problem. So what is the appropriate response to this supposed crisis?
Jonah was using humor to make a point, as is his wont. Its perfectly clear that he was not suggesting Steve Bannon is an actual gargoyle with hooves. Unlike the folks suggesting that Trump (or Biden) is the literal equivalent of Hitler/Stalin/Satan/etc. in perfect seriousness.
People said that Trump's rhetoric was dangerous to journalists and Trump was later gagged by a court because his rhetoric was considered dangerous to members of the DA's office and investigators in the DOJ. But somehow, rhetoric suggesting that Trump is an existential danger to our Nation's way of life is harmless? C'mon.
@@nickjablonski4552 How many times did Trump call people "vermin" and how does that number compare to the number of times people have publicly called him "an existential threat"? An existential threat, by the way, means a threat to existence - meaning that Trump threatens the existence of everyone. No where near the same thing.
@@zzfour The question is if rhetoric is dangerous. The pundits say that Trump's rhetoric endangered media and government figures. In the same breath, they claim that speech about Trump being a threat to existence is harmless. Or they hide behind the free speech argument - like you.
@@nickjablonski4552you are too soft. They call Trump Hitler and you are quiet. They use the nonsensical phrase “existential threat” with zero proof. Biden won’t leave, but they blame Trump for not leaving. You need help. Just get help and move on.
Bullying The kid was harshly bullied basically every day at school and was a loner and outcast. That can lead to such outcomes unfortunately, and schools should do better when it comes to creating safe spaces.
You guys are my “go to” for keeping abreast of happenings like this. Stunning events this weekend. Biden tops it off on Sunday night by giving an address which was “political by omission” (not a mention of Kavanaugh), etc.
Remember when Trump and all the goons laughed and made jokes about Paul Pelosi “getting hammered?” Sure you can nut pick and find crazy no name leftists on threads or Twitter saying it was staged. No elected Dems were saying that. Elected Republicans were accusing Joe Biden of sending the shooter. The no name dems got a good 10 minutes. The elected Rs got hand waved away. And it’s pretty obvious Jonah wrote a whole ass book about “Liberal Fascism” without understanding Liberals, Fascists, or subject- verb agreement.
His own VP candidate called him Hitler. And he’s the new VP because he tried to have his last VP hanged when he would not go along with a coup attempt.
@@dragonbeardable so because you can’t imagine that means there’s no other rationale and that it has be because it was someone to his political left …that makes so much sense.. not like we don’t have historical examples of people doing things because they think it was make them famous, or because they want to insight violence by initiating it, or because someone to his political right didn’t think he went far enough…no no you feel the need assert that it’s because of this one thing.. stop the games, go to church, and serve your community or something
I think Jonah has a great point. We need a better way to disagree. It is a basic tactic of the way to winning the other side is to intellectually explain your reasoning. However, for that to have a chance, we need a reasonably educated electorate. That is where we need to also focus. Even the WaPo has said Democracy Dies in Darkness. If that is so, we need a lot more transparency and honesty in media as well as a non-partisan grounding in civics. A lot of work to do.
You all, and this podcast, lost any credibility when Jonah Goldberg called Steve Bannon a gargoyle with hooves 39:57 immediately after David French gave a cogent and impassioned argument not to dehumanize others with whom one disagrees 🙄 🙄 🙄
It’s a famous story- she work for Carly Fioina and burned 26 million dollars and got 3 delegates. When Justice needed a spokesperson. Someone on Trumps team thought- “yep- trump would probably have sex with her. And that’s why she was hired.” Not for her brains (clearly) not for her talent(clearly). But because she was conventionally attractive by western standards at the time a misogynist pig was president. And Sarah, lacking any kind of pride or standards, agreed.
@@bentrinker1937it’s Sarah Isgur- were you expecting issues? You won’t get them. All you’ll ever get from Isgur is insane what about-ism in an attempt to justify her decent-ish life so she can feel better about all of the lives she fucked up supporting and propping up the family-separation policies under Trump.
I find it funny that Jonah is talking about turning the temperature down when in this same podcast he referenced that he wrote a book titled “liberal fascism” …he’s right that people should be more thoughtful and he should be leading that change by coming to terms with the fact that some of his deeply held beliefs about how the world functions and what the left is either needs to be revised or reconstructed
The donation is not a false story. It has been confirmed by nbc news and NYT. Please issue a correction immediately.
And why is this important?
@@johndillon8051because in this podcast they said the shooter did not make the donation to act blue. The shooter did make the donation to act blue and it has been confirmed by nbc news and NYT who pulled the fec data and confirmed it.
@@Anonymous0573 perhaps it was never stated that he donated to the organization that she mentions and her statement is true..but irrelevant and meant to misdirect.
In America we have a shared narrative about Fascism, dictatorship, and Democracy. "Vote against the coming Fascist Dictatorship" literally makes zero sense given this narrative. Voting is something you do under ordinary circumstances. But in the state of crisis--which is what the rhetoric about Trump appeals to--there is no voting away the problem. So what is the appropriate response to this supposed crisis?
Sarah, please stop interrupting.
You guys said not to dehumanize people. But he called steve bannon a gargoyle with hooves right after.
I think David said that, but Jonah was very correct about Bannon.
@@johndillon8051 aaah so dehumanization is the path that we take....
@@johndillon8051 aaah so dehumanization is the path that we take....
Jonah was using humor to make a point, as is his wont. Its perfectly clear that he was not suggesting Steve Bannon is an actual gargoyle with hooves. Unlike the folks suggesting that Trump (or Biden) is the literal equivalent of Hitler/Stalin/Satan/etc. in perfect seriousness.
That's lighthearted humor compared to what others have called him.
People said that Trump's rhetoric was dangerous to journalists and Trump was later gagged by a court because his rhetoric was considered dangerous to members of the DA's office and investigators in the DOJ. But somehow, rhetoric suggesting that Trump is an existential danger to our Nation's way of life is harmless? C'mon.
Because he attempted to stay in power after clearly losing and has been calling people “vermin”, that’s kind of a big difference.
@@nickjablonski4552 How many times did Trump call people "vermin" and how does that number compare to the number of times people have publicly called him "an existential threat"? An existential threat, by the way, means a threat to existence - meaning that Trump threatens the existence of everyone. No where near the same thing.
It's called free speech. Dude. Get over it, and the nonsense from trump does not compare to others.
@@zzfour The question is if rhetoric is dangerous. The pundits say that Trump's rhetoric endangered media and government figures. In the same breath, they claim that speech about Trump being a threat to existence is harmless. Or they hide behind the free speech argument - like you.
@@nickjablonski4552you are too soft. They call Trump Hitler and you are quiet. They use the nonsensical phrase “existential threat” with zero proof. Biden won’t leave, but they blame Trump for not leaving. You need help. Just get help and move on.
“Im all for toning things down.” (30mins later) “if trump .. gives speeches that sound better in the original german”. thats got to be a record.
Bullying
The kid was harshly bullied basically every day at school and was a loner and outcast. That can lead to such outcomes unfortunately, and schools should do better when it comes to creating safe spaces.
David: Stop dehumanizing people. Don’t call someone demonic.
*one minute later*
Jonah: Steve Bannon is a gargoyle. I think he has hooves.
You guys are my “go to” for keeping abreast of happenings like this. Stunning events this weekend. Biden tops it off on Sunday night by giving an address which was “political by omission” (not a mention of Kavanaugh), etc.
Remember when Trump and all the goons laughed and made jokes about Paul Pelosi “getting hammered?”
Sure you can nut pick and find crazy no name leftists on threads or Twitter saying it was staged. No elected Dems were saying that. Elected Republicans were accusing Joe Biden of sending the shooter.
The no name dems got a good 10 minutes. The elected Rs got hand waved away.
And it’s pretty obvious Jonah wrote a whole ass book about “Liberal Fascism” without understanding Liberals, Fascists, or subject- verb agreement.
Stop calling him Hitler and maybe people wont attack him.
His own VP candidate called him Hitler. And he’s the new VP because he tried to have his last VP hanged when he would not go along with a coup attempt.
What evidence do you have to conclude that’s the reason he was attacked?
@@BighomieRich Why else? 20 year old kids are impressionable.
@@dragonbeardable so because you can’t imagine that means there’s no other rationale and that it has be because it was someone to his political left …that makes so much sense.. not like we don’t have historical examples of people doing things because they think it was make them famous, or because they want to insight violence by initiating it, or because someone to his political right didn’t think he went far enough…no no you feel the need assert that it’s because of this one thing.. stop the games, go to church, and serve your community or something
I really wanted to hear you guys talk this out. There is not enough Steve in the podcasts.
I think Jonah has a great point. We need a better way to disagree. It is a basic tactic of the way to winning the other side is to intellectually explain your reasoning. However, for that to have a chance, we need a reasonably educated electorate. That is where we need to also focus. Even the WaPo has said Democracy Dies in Darkness. If that is so, we need a lot more transparency and honesty in media as well as a non-partisan grounding in civics. A lot of work to do.
You all, and this podcast, lost any credibility when Jonah Goldberg called Steve Bannon a gargoyle with hooves 39:57 immediately after David French gave a cogent and impassioned argument not to dehumanize others with whom one disagrees 🙄 🙄 🙄
Another dispatch podcast of Sarah repeating GOP talking points as "just questions" and getting shut down by the grown ups.
Sarah has skin in the game. The gentleman do not.
Why would she have skin in the game?
Why is Sarah so obsessed with Kavanaugh? He officiated at her wedding!
@@MerryLakeugh. I knew she was a poor judge of legal arguments and character-- but that’s awful!
Very disappointed in this
Donated to progressive turnout project...is that true and factual
Yes. Confirmed by nbc news and NYT.
Oh, Sarah. How'd you get so smart and so cute? 😊
Misogyny - look it up.
It’s a famous story- she work for Carly Fioina and burned 26 million dollars and got 3 delegates.
When Justice needed a spokesperson. Someone on Trumps team thought- “yep- trump would probably have sex with her. And that’s why she was hired.”
Not for her brains (clearly) not for her talent(clearly). But because she was conventionally attractive by western standards at the time a misogynist pig was president. And Sarah, lacking any kind of pride or standards, agreed.
way to focus on what was discussed!
@@bentrinker1937it’s Sarah Isgur- were you expecting issues? You won’t get them. All you’ll ever get from Isgur is insane what about-ism in an attempt to justify her decent-ish life so she can feel better about all of the lives she fucked up supporting and propping up the family-separation policies under Trump.