“Until I watched The Last Dance, I didn’t realize MJ felt that way” | EPISODE 8 | CLUB SHAY SHAY
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- Follow Club Shay Shay on Tik Tok: sprtspod.fox/ClubShayShayTikTok... Isiah Thomas describes the “fascination and disappointment” he felt in response to his portrayal in ‘The Last Dance.’ He adds that it seems Michael Jordan was the reason he was left off the 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team and discusses the drama surrounding his absence.
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“Until I watched The Last Dance, I didn’t realize MJ felt that way” | EPISODE 8 | CLUB SHAY SHAY
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Did Isiah Thomas deserve to be on the Dream Team?
Yes
absolutely, he was a fierce competitor.
Heck yeaa 💪🏽💯
Yes, greatest pg to ever play the game in my opinion!
Of course he did
Imagine being Isaiah and having to explain his side every other month lol 😂
It's honestly a travesty.
MAN!
My man that’s actually so true😂😂😂😂😂🥴😂😂😂
Jordan nut huggers
@@MrSeanMDolan lebron d gaggers
This just made me very self conscious about my teeth
lol i was thinking the same. got me out here working on my toothless smile
Lol-😝
Yea them niggas got that mr. clean smile popping.
@@peepsi23 lol😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imagine watching the “Last Dance” as Isaiah and not seeing Scottie Pippen saying “I” didn’t want him on the team either
Isiah has already spoken several times about Scottie Pippen's opinion. And he basically said Scottie's feelings didn't matter and that he had no say so he doesn't care about what Pippen wanted or didn't want.
He said it in the Dream Team doc in 2012
It don’t matter what a little lieutenant like Scottie says, but when the head General Jordan says.... I ain’t playin’ if Thomas does..... ISIAH AINT PLAYIN... period! (To be honest though, they still winning gold without Jordan in ‘92!)
A lot of em said it stop it
Imagine reading Bird and Magic writing in their book they didn’t want him either... Malone and Stockton hated him too. He got what he deserved
“We have 11 of the best players in the world and Christian Laettner” - Charles Barkley
Boom!
It’s not like they needed him to win
Shaq should’ve been on the team
bad team lol
@@JK2333459 they wouldn’t have needed half of those guys five of them legends would have been enough also😂
Absolutely . Isiah's handles and passing ability was 2nd to none .
I had to tell some knucklehead that Zeke's handles were better than Iverson's and that Iverson's crossover and speed has him fooled because Iverson didn't have "crazy" handles.
Only person I'd maybe give the nod over Zeke would be Kyrie
@@mobetta2092 I'd give Calvin Murphy the honorable mention.
Magic said that he didn’t want him on the team in the documentary he and Larry did
He's going to ignore that because they're back on good terms.
@@paraisoinformativo he said they did but you're dumb
@@paraisoinformativo so the point is he's just biased right now? lmao
@@s_ame1135 No the point is Jordan had the ultimate say as to whether or not Isiah was gonna be on the team. Even if Magic had supported Isiah being on the Dream Team it wouldn't matter. If Jordan says he's not playing if Isiah is there, Isiah won't be there period.
It all started with Jordan though .. Magic and bird followed as well but Isiah should have made that Olympic team !
Isiah has the coolest personality of anyone I've seen
never seen dude mad or off his square
@@RobinXlone Aside from punching Mahorn or Cartwright or breaking his fist punching Laimbeer in practice. Or his press conferences in 87 during the Larry Bird saga.
Isiah was a killer on court, and a cool guy off court
Seen not met?
@@kennethhughley1611 I've never met him but I've seen him on CZcams and TV
And Isaiah dropped 44 on Stockton the next time he saw him...
And still never had a gold medal. Will never be a part of the greatest team ever assembled😂
@@austinroccaro2219 and Stockton will never be a champ 😂
@@austinroccaro2219 the greatest names ever assembled... not team
@@marcust6479 stfu fr
@@marcust6479 name a better team
Zeeke, One of the greatest ever, on and off the court. People dont realize how much he has impacted his community, his tribe and nation, the City of Detroit, Chicago and the Globe. If you listen close to his words, he will drop some heavy wisdom that many are too afraid or too compromised to speak on. I love you Zeeeke!
@@alezflores Agreed
Jordan was not the only one that didnt want zeke on that dream team, I have heard multiple players admit it, and I love Zeke game but he was a little bit shady back in the day
His tribe? Ok Shaka Zulu
@@mohamedkaba6934 older than Chaka
@@mohamedkaba6934 Isaiah is from a special place, some call it "Chicago" and believe it or not he has a very well known tribe(and nation) that many colonizers, till this very day, try to keep hush. Just listen to some of his interviews and you will get a hint. peace and love
So Isiah had no idea how Jordan (and others) felt about him all these years? I wonder if he still believes in Santa Clause.
You are a gift to life lmao.
Niggas in the NBA weren’t friendly like today lol. They hated each other, they were like enemies.
Well, he did believe he could turn the Knicks into a successful team.
He coached Jordan in ASGs and Jordan took photos gave shoes and stuff to his son. They Had long format talks every time they saw each other at that time So it's obvious he'd believe that they are cool now. Just like magic and bird are cool with each other now and cool with him as well !
@@PresidentValentine if you believe that then you must also believe that the mailman unintentionally planted an elbow to his head.
Anyway, I don't hate Malone for doing that
I had to put on sunglasses every time Isaiah Thomas smiled. 👓
My life experience taught me to never trust people who always smile. Its not normal to be that way always.
Facts
Which is why people don’t like clowns
@@dirkh1733 lmao
@@dirkh1733 wow..i hated clowns since i was a kid but i never knew why.thanks for this. Now i can move on.
How are you going to order something in a fast food? Almost everyone there smiles
Isiah's that sneaky dude you know, who just always smiles and thinks thats how he gets away with everything
He just laughs cause Jordan’s don’t like him cause he beat him 3 times in the playoffs
Isaiah don't like jordan either it goes both ways
@@damiengarrett3483 jordan mad cause he lost to little isiah 3 times
@Luis San Jose isiah never said he was old . Everyone knew he had season career ending injury. He didn’t even play 50 games in the 91 season. Come on now . Jordan lost 88,89 &90 . At thier best ! They beat Jordan in 5 games in Jordan beat season . Lol gotta give em props . And they beat the mvp the next year in the finals . Isiah never said he was old . I was born 94 when he retired even I know he had a wrist injury that’s why he lost or played bad all year long
@@smdideleted6327...... as soon as Jordan got another all star; he got em back.
He definitely deserved to be on that team!! I was always an ISIAH THOMAS fan and thought he was one of the top 5 greatest guards to ever play the game!!
FACTS!!! "THEY" did Zeke WRONG!!! That's why he ended up COOKING Stockton the following season.
At the end of the day Isiah is a back to back champion, a Top 5 point, and a top 30 nba player ever
With a winning record agains Jordan and Magic and Bird
If John Elway didn’t want Sharpe..he wouldn’t have been on the Broncos
@K L Sutton low iq
@@tylerhightower1476 Donald Trump!!!
@K L Sutton TD, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, half of the oline. Then I'd say John wouldn't of won those SB. Could've without Sharpe. I love Shannon but come on now lol
@@JordanJMyers
🤔🤔🤔🤔
Big Play Shay
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Isiah wasn’t Sharpe though... Isiah was Elway.
Isiah still thinking that it was only jordan that didn't want him on the squad but alot of other players didn't want him on that squad but Jordan was the scapegoat
And alot of the players said they didn't care if he was
They left him off because Jordan signed off on it, they tried to make it seem like everyone didn't like him but everyone else didn't even care.
@@Buchanan909 magic and Scottie didn’t want him
how difficult is to understand that a team that played dirty was hated by the whole league, isaiah is just playing dumb
@@austinroccaro2219 Isiah got left off because Jordan said so, if Jordan said sure bring him in everyone would've went along. One of the best point guards ever got left off the dream team because of personal feelings, and here I thought players back in the 90s were stone cold, thick skinned, etc 😂
It wasnt JUST Jordan that didnt want I.T. on the U.S team. There were several other players that didn't want him on the team either.🤷♂️ it's a shame he wasnt on the team though...he is def an all time great player and top 5 point guard all time.
Top 2 PG of all time (still put him over Curry and Oscar)
@@TheFadedSpade35 yessir.
in no order: magic Zeke O curry cp3 and folks can fight over glove or kidd or stockton or whoever
@@alixcoupet4377 Oscar and Curry is debatable though it's close
They lease should have had Joe Dumars
@@fredwoods9403 Lol no
Isiah trying to play so innocent, he was hating on jordan all the way back to jordan first all star game as a rookie.
Exactly lol
What are you talking about? I watched that Allstars game. THERE WAS NO FREEZE OUT!!
@@DreMurf313 ask george karl he was the coach
Isiah didn’t have the authority to call a freeze out at the time... If it happened, a bigger OG called it
Lol how in the heck would Isiah be able to call a freeze out
Jordan: "I took it personally"
Isaiah: "It was only business"
Cap
Jordan was mad because when they finally beat the pistons isaiah made the whole pistons team leave the court early and they didn’t shake the bulls hands Thomas you got to tell the whole story
He lying. He knew Jordan didn't like him
Tryna play victim
True
I thought he was saying,that
WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! It was MORE than JUST Jordan who had a problem with Isiah being on the team! NO ONE wanted him there...including Magic. Don't do this bruh. Some of us were alive then. It wasn't because the Pistons beat the Bulls...it was HOW they did it. They had at least three players foul a player because they knew the ref would only call one. They would put their foot under yours when coming down after a rebound. Their smaller guards would hold the wrists of taller players on rebound attempts to keep them from being able to elevate and they would look up while doing it to not draw the attention of the refs. They would flagrant foul egregiously and then pretend to help you up in a display of fake sportsmanship...again, as to not draw the ire of officials. Not to mention the elbows, forearm shivers, sucker punches to the midsection of opponents. I can appreciate the agenda on both sides Jordan hate = LeBron great but come on Bruh! Lol. Isiah was great but he would have compromised team unity, team morale and team camaraderie. But it sounded good and he looked good saying it!
It was personal against Isiah. John Stockton had a broken leg (that why he hardly played in the Olympics) and in case he wasn’t healthy in time for Barcelona his replacement/ reserve player was Joe Dumars so it wasn’t an anti Pistons thing it was an anti Isiah thing. I think it was David Robinson who said in the 2012(?) Dream Team documentary when asked about Isiah being left off “look as far as I know there was nobody who said if Isiah plays I won’t, but nobody was really advocating fo him to be there either” I think his fractured relationship with Magic at the time is what did him in.
Shannon couldn't wait to justify some Jordan hate! 🤣🤣🤣 keep in mind that Magic, Barkley and Bird also didn't want him on the team.....
I think Jordan may have taken Shay-Shay girl back in the day .....obvious jealousy form him towards Mike
@@terrandenard3703 nah boy he just sees through Jordan, y’all buggin
Jordan was wrong in this area, but he's not perfect. Nobody is. He's still the greatest of all time no matter what Shannon says. But being a pistons fan, this is justice needing to be served.
@Ben DC4L yeah he wishes he was on the team as well
@Ben DC4L lol nice one. Now watch some film
313 in Da house.Bad Boys fo Life
This wasn’t just any team.... everyone was handpicked
Exactly it was supposed to be the best players of that era... Isiah was the 3rd most decorated player of that era..he should have been on that team
Yeah, and Isaiah was better than half the people on that team
People talk like this was a team that was gunning for a championship. They knew they were going to win. This was more of a trip with the guys, and no one liked Thomas. So they chose to not have him tag along.
@@michaelparker6240 The Dream Team was perfect the way it was. They did not need or want Isaiah on the team.
Isaiah just needs to get over it, he had his chance.
@@lattedee2523 ok latte dee 🤣
I love how he smiles through all this. Obviously he can’t change much about how he is viewed but if that’s how I found out I’d be disappointed too. Also I think if I acted like him I would know....maybe
Isiah always wears a suit in all his interviews. Class.
Thank you so much for this interview with Thomas, Shannon! Getting at the truth is something you excel at!
If you walk off the court without shaking my hand after the past couple of years of me shaking your hand after you beat me, dont get salty when I say I dont need you on the dreamteam. If they had no other guards, I could understand Zeke being on the team. They had the greatest Point guard of all time along with the arguably 3rd greatest of all time. Why do you need 3 point guards?
Thats weak bro you dont have to shake hands with nobody after the game there is no rule period I wouldnt have cared if I was Jordan the win speaks for itself I cant stand emo dudes now a days Jordan refused to shake hands with ALonzo Mourning in the 1997 East Finals so that kills that lame argument Ive lost to teams in football and we didnt shake hands so what the other team didnt either
Bird did the same thing...oops
@@toddjohnson271 to who?
@@javoncook2441 walked off on the Pistons in 88......Actually, I think only McHale shook hands.
@@toddjohnson271 So what does that have to do with the Dream team? That was between the Celtics and Detroit.
i like how post career he trys to act like he was all innocent when the entire nba outside detroit hated them
Business
Isaiah still acting like he haven't read the book about Magic and Bird.
Bingo! They’re the real reason he wasn’t on the Dream Team
The point is Magic and Zeke are cool, Jordan still in his feelings.. watch the last dance
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 jordan didn’t want him but has no balls to say so because it’s not good for his image !
Bird didn’t want him on the team for various reasons !
Pippen followed Jordan ....
Malone was close to Stockton so i wouldn’t be surprised he had a say in this
Ewing didn’t like the pistons
Do you honestly think it was only Magic?
Only haters believe that and Jordanairs
I always tell people, the most important skill in life is charisma. People WILL put personal feelings more often than not over production.
I can actually say LBJ actually puts production over his personal feeling.
It depends. In my opinion , For picking up women (as a former musician) I think being funny (charismatic) and attention to detail is a huge asset if you don’t have the looks. If you have the looks and are also funny you are set, women will be all over you. For work like the trades , it’s consciousness (diligence). Nobody gives two pennies if you are good looking or funny if you are bad at your job. If you are not good at your job but are great at being funny and an a§§licker you’ll probably be ok with the boss but your co-workers will hate you. For business it’s intelligence and drive, same for science. Lastly the rules are totally different for women. Women need looks and that’s it which is pretty depressing 😂
@@SinserNarmah537 well I think you forgot about Delonte West
Winning the Gold was the goal. They won without drama. They had chemistry
You’re completely contradicting what is being said 🤦♂️…
There was no chemistry. They were just dominant
They argued continuously. Isaiah is a professional and would've been just fine
But they played with Dennis Rodman 🤔🤔
And it took Scottie a while to fully embrace him.
Rodman wasn't the leader
Yup! CUZ DENNIS SAID SORRY! 🤣😂
I think Dennis, John Salley, who also later played with them and Joe Dumars were the few that did shake the Bulls' hands after losing in '91.
Because the actually NEEDED Rodman in order to win. Dream Team didn't NEED Thomas to win, it was just a vanity project. You could have replaced Stockton with Mark Price or Tim Hardaway and they would've still been blowing countries out by 50.
fact that after all these years isiah is still considered and often talked about as by far the most deserving omission, and the missing piece of the perfect dream team, says it all
Exactly
the best all around small point guard ever
It's incredible how someone can make a career out of being a victim.
Isiah might be the most underrated superstar in the history of the NBA... 2 time Back to Back Champ... Best player and leader of the franchise... Finals MVP.... 12 time All Star... 2 Time All Star MVP... Pistons career leader in Points, Assists, Steals and FG Made.. Not to mention how many times he came up clutch and how tough he really was... He has some iconic moments. Plus a college champion, All American and high school athlete of the year. Just bc Jordan doesn't like him, so many ppl hate him and disrespect him. He's the second best PG of all time to this day!
IT didn’t realise how Jordan felt until he watched the last dance??? BS!! Always the innocent victim 🤦🏽♂️
Extacly Thomas played dirty to back then because u could
You guys cry too much 😂
@@ericraiders6343 Thomas didn’t play dirty. Show me some dirty plays. Sure he was in a couple of fights but that was usually after he got hacked
@@sulomiller4945 he played dirty by pretty much sending out bounty’s
@@PhilPeeVa nice try
“When Isaiah had a conversation with Shannon Sharpe, I took it personal”
- Michael Jordan
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's some ish he'd say
He took it personal because Isaiah thomas used to dog walk him. The End
@@teresa-oj9rq until the leash ends got flipped anyway
Magic the real reason why he wasnt on the team
it wasn't Magic
it was Jordan *but* Magic was blamed
@@OnewYork it wasnt just jordan, that's a lie, it was multiple people that had a problem with zeke, let's tell the truth now
Jordan and Pippen didn’t want Zeke on Charles was the Chuck that didn’t want him also not Chuck Daly and then Magic a underline beef with him so those r ur ZEKE haters. But 23 being the main voice at the time. He said no Zeke was out but I believe Magic was also in his ear as well. Pip and Chuck was gonna follow Jordan’s lead always.
@@OnewYork it was definitely Jordan
Lies. Magic took credit for something that wasn't true.
They dropped him of the Dream Team and won. End of discussion. They didn't need him and there is no need to open that discussion again. I'm so tired of Isiah whining.
You could've took out any player and they still would've won. They did him dirty
@@rojeliocastro9733 exactly lmao
@@rojeliocastro9733 Yes they did...feeling any better? That belongs to the past, life goes on.
@@rojeliocastro9733 Isiah was the common enemy amongst those guys? It was best to keep him off it and let the team go to business.
ok but lAbron is the goat
91-92 Stats
Isiah Thomas 18.5 pts - 7.2 ast - 3.2 rbd - 1.5 stl
John Stockton 15.8 pts - 13.7 ast - 3.3 rbd - 3.0 stl - All NBA 2nd team - All Defensive 2nd team
While Isiah may be more accomplished player out of the two especially at that time, John Stockton was no joke and was actually a better player in 92.
Wasn't the narrative in the first place that Isiah and Pistons got old and that's the reason Jordan started winning?
So how did he again become so much better than John Stockton that he should have replaced the spot?
If past accomplishments were the measure instead of their skills at the time, there was another player that should have replaced a center spot as well.
Who happened to have won 3 MVP awards in the past and led a championship team himself, and that is Moses Malone.
In fact, accomplishment-wise, Moses deserved the spot more than Isiah.
He was putting up decent number in 91-92 season as well with 15.6 pts - 9.1 rbd
compare stats 86-90
@@motownXJdad9565 I'll do that when you learn to read
Isiah made me proud to be from Detroit.
He was incredible in his prime.
Me too
You deserve to be - he was unFREAKinbelievable. Too bad he had one momentary lapse of reason 🫤
I don't understand why a lot of people can't fantom everyone doesn't love Jordan
Because everyone wanted to be like Mike..
@@user-hh7oo4wx1x just an ad campaign
its not that isiah doestn't love jordan.. it seems that he doesn't respect him
Most of his teammates didn't love him, but he was ok with that cause he felt it was the price of having a winners mentality.
Kind of like how people can’t fathom that everyone doesn’t love Lebron...lol!!
Just so you all know.
That guy beat Jordan and the bulls more than once 😎
Right! Jordan and the Bulls only beat them once!
No, Jordan and the Bulls ENDED him and the Bad Boy Pistons!
@@pauljones8838 They were already on the decline. They were getting too old. That was '91 and the Pistons had been in contention since '86. If this is your way of degrading the Pistons then try something else.
@@pauljones8838 What you mean No? They literally beat the Bulls and Won the finals. I'm not even trying to debate anything, just stating a fact.
🤓 Yes Bulls EVENTUALLY defeated them. Also fact.
Yup but Jordan and the Bulls ended their would be reign.
The jealousy run deep in these 2
He did it to himself he didn’t deserve to be on the dream team. How u not going to shake hands after a game loss, everytime Jordan lost to the bad boys he shook their hand like a man
I hope you feel the same way about Tom Brady since he avoids handshakes when he loses too
Ok Money it’s part of the game. Not shaking hands is a weak move no matter how bad u lost
The Celtics and the pistons didn't shake hands either. Nobody is still butthurt about it all these years later.
@@johnnycash9161 Cool. A lot of people aren't consistent in their disgust with a person who refuses to shake hands when they lose.
Shoot lebron has walked out with out an hand shake either. It’s a respect thing u know
Zek was a beast and he absolutely should’ve been on that team. I’m a Chicago Bulls fan.
LMFAOO THIS IS SHANNON'S FAVORITE INTERVIEW BESIDES LEBRON. LOVE JORDAN BUT SHANNON TAKING SHOTS AT HIS LEGACY IS MUST SEE TV 😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's kinda weird that Shannon hasn't had LeBron yet, I guess they are not as close as Shannon makes it seem
Everyone conveniently ignores that the REAL reason Isiah was left off the Dream Team was because he (allegedly) made light of HOW Magic contracted aich-eye-vee.
For real!
🎯🎯🎯
You know they will never let that out
Nope, they had that team selected a couple months before Magic's announcement.
Isiah was a thug. He was the bad guy. The common villain. The common enemy.
My opinion, no one needed him they got the golden medal 🥇 without him... this argument make no sense, his hating now...
coming from the guy who's still butt hurt bout getting cut from the Dream Team, to the point he BS's about Lebron being the GOAT
2 of the top 5 LeBronsexuals talking about Jordan, interesting
And one Jordansexual watching.
@@abali8588 lmao, getem
@@abali8588 another reply from a blind witness
@@abali8588 Jordan the greatest athlete in sports history.. u triggered he has fans? 😂
@@abali8588 Yet millions of Bronsexuals tuned in to the Last Dance 😂🤷🏾♂️
Isaiah earned that gold and it was stripped from him by petty sore losers almost a foot taller than him... In the conversation for best pg ever period
The reason Isiah wasn’t on the dream team, because of his bad boy moniker. Isiah had a temper. He’s either fighting somebody, or about to fight somebody, and him along with his teammates played physical basketball, more physical than it should be. They didn’t want Isiah going over to those other countries, fighting those players or arguing with those players, beating them up. NBA wasn’t that big National yet, and that was the NBA’s goal. To be a worldwide sport like it is now. Mike, Bird, Magic, Karl, Barkley was just fierce competitors, but they weren’t hot headed bullies. That’s why Zeke wouldn’t ok there. They wouldn’t have let GP on there either, or Rodman, or Oakley, Anthony Mason, and the list goes on, because those guys are hot tempered bullies, and will fight you if you foul them hard or something they don’t like
It's understandable to me why they didn't want him on the team. And I find it hard to believe he didn't know back then (and it wasn't like they needed him to win).
It was alot of people who didn't want him on the team. Simply put, if he played then Jordan would have sat out and lot of sponsors and staff wanted Jordan on the collection of the greatest NBA team ever assembled.
How can you not know? That’s bulljive and he knows it. All the guys on those Pistons teams knew they were wildly hated. Zeke is the only one who turns a blind eye to it.
Thats funny... I heard it wasn't just jordan. Barkley, pippen, etc.. it was more than just jordan
I also heard most of the players didn’t mind if he was on the dream team or not lol
Mullin, David Robinson and Drexler didn't mind him
Barkley has said many times even recently he had no problem with Isiah playing
barkley,pip,magic,bird
“Hey.. I agree with ya” 😂😂😂😂
These teasers got me taking my azz over to the full episode everytime.
After reading and listening on this topic, the summary is, "Playing ability didn't matter, it was all about personal likes and dislikes." Jordan didn't have the guts to admit it all these years. If all players didn't want him, it speaks volumes of valuing ability vs relationships.
Isiah always plays the sheep 🐏 but we all know he's the wolf 🐺
This shows that they didn't watch the whole episode, Magic said out of his own mouth that none of them really wanted to play with Isiah. Part of being on an Olympic team is that you live in the Olympic village with your teammates. Those guys did hang around each other between practices and after games. By Isiah's own words here he would not have fit in, in that scenario. Which explains even more why he wasn't on that team!!!
This channel is 🔥
I.T. hates Michael Jordan because
1. Michael Jordan got more love from the Bulls fans than I.T. whose from Chicago got
2. Michael Jordan three peated twice with the Bulls
3. I.T. had to cover Michael Jordan second three peat
Ok you got a point
He beat Jordan more times than Jordan beat him
@@demetriussmith9234 Yet Jordan is considered to be the better player, why is that? Seems like you are giving more reasons to why Isiah would hate Jordan.
@hitek9wittafulclip Yet, they chose to select Jordan over Isiah Thomas on the dream team. Tell me how many individual accolades does I.T. have over Jordan?
@hitek9wittafulclip bird had a super team, Isiah team was also better, Jordan lost to championship teams.
Hes lying about Jordan. Even marv albert did an interview with Jordan straight up asking him if his icey relationship with isiah Thomas was the reason that he wasnt on the dream team. So Isiah knew back then Jordan didnt like him. Dont try to say that you didnt know until you watched the Last Dance. Give me a break.
Just because you dont like a person doesnt mean he shouldn't have been on it. That's petty. Put the differences aside and win a gold medal.
@@donniewarren8363 didn't Isaiah freeze out Jordan in his 1st allstar game
There are old video clips where they were interviewing all the players on the Dream Team including Jordan when all this controversy surrounding the idea that Thomas was left off the Dream Team and when it came time to interview Jordan, he flat out said, “No Isiah Thomas questions”. It gives you an idea of the kind of animosity and tension that existed (and still exists, according to The Last Dance) between the two when they were rivals on the court.
@@donniewarren8363 THEY WON A GOLD MEDAL!!! WITHOUT ISIAH!
Shannon asking like they didn’t win the gold Medal 😂
if you going to another country for a month, you want to spend time with ppl you fw. And it was about winning, they won.
Lol facts
You sound dumb bro. They weren’t going on a vacation, They traveled to WORK. They don’t need to fw eachother because they traveling overseas to work. C’mon now. The Military travel overseas and spend months, you think they all fw eachother?
What Sharpe is saying its supposed to be the 12 best players and Zeke was one of them..
Older generations like to act as if they were strictly business, when really and truly they played with some of their friends
@@shamorshamor7609 I mean who cares at this point? They won by a margin. They didn't need Zeke. It would be a serious debate if they didn't win. lol
They won a gold medal tho without isiah. So there shouldn't even be a conversation about this.
Right
They would have won with or without Jordan too.
@@maxv6837 we don't know if thats true cause that never happen. all we know is Isiah never played and they won gold medal.. stop speaking on things as if you was the true.
@@CashNYC The US had the 12 best players in the world. They won by an average of 46 points per game.They won the Gold medal game by 32 points. These games were not competitive. The US would have easily won without Jordan.
@@maxv6837 we dont know that Isaiah never played
Isiah was very underrated player.
ISIAH THOMAS IS & WILL ALWAYS BE A LEAGUE FOR CHICAGO !! WE LOVE YOU BRO.
The 1992 Olympics isn't the same as trying to win a Larry OB. They didn't have to try much to win. So going to Barcelona with some bad blood ruins the experience.
They don't need him to win a gold medal. Period. 🤷🏻♂️
GREAT SHOW I'LL START WATCHING..
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Who loves the way shannon says friends?!
Number one Jordan hater 😂😂😂
He got a winning record against him though.
@@deon3133 don’t mean he’s not a hater
Number 1 and 2 😂
@@bklynbarks3724 he be speaking facts thats not hating.
How is it hating when the other dude keeps speaking bad about you?
Isiah wasn't just one of the 12 best NBA players at the time, he was one of the 12 best of all time.
Cool we put Bron at 13 now ..thanks
@@kbjpj8249 I mean I got Bron at 4-5 after this ring and Isiah at about 12 or so
@Dats a paddlin in terms of all time greatness? Buddy, how many other superstars beat Jordan, Magic, and Bird in the playoffs
Why didn't anybody ask the coach of dream team about his player on Detriot
I played college football and I can tell you there were players on my team were not friends and we rarely hung out together outside of playing games and practicing.
What being classless in one moment can cost you..
I was surprised that it wasn't alot of bashing going on. Many untruths but not that much bashing
@A Champion 😁😁😁
@Dats a paddlin...... lmao, I can’t take Shannon seriously!!! 🤦♂️..... he got them cte’s calling Lebron the goat!!!!
@@dennisjr77 Shannon is an entertainer. I appreciate him cause he's fun to watch. Undisputed has undeniably grown the Lebron fanbase too
Truth is Dream Team won without him, didn't need him.. just sulking that he missed out
*All-NBA Team Guards ‘88-‘92*
Here’s the specifics (Pts-Ast-Reb)
87-88:
Drexler 27.0-5.8-6.6 .506
Jordan 35-3.2-5.5 .535
Magic 19.6-11.9-6.2 .492
Stockton 14.7-13.8-2.9 .574
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Thomas 19.5-8.4-3.4 .463
88-89:
KJ 20.4-12.2-4.2 .505
Jordan 32.5-2.9-8.0 .538
Magic 22.5-12.8-7.9 .509
Stockton 17.1-13.6-3.0 .538
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Thomas 18.2-8.3-3.4 .464
89-90:
KJ 22.5-11.4-3.6 .499
Jordan 33.6-2.8-6.9 .526
Magic 22.3-11.5-6.6 .480
Stockton 17.2-14.5-2.6 .514
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Thomas 18.4-9.4-3.8 .438
90-91:
Drexler 21.5-6.0-6.7 . 482
KJ 19.7-10.1-3.5 .516
Jordan 31.5-2.7-6.0 .539
Magic 19.4-12.8-7.0 .477
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Thomas 16.2-9.3-3.3 .435
91-92
Drexler 25.0-6.7-6.6 .470
Hardaway 23.4-10.0-3.8
Jordan 30.1-2.3-6.4 .519
Stockton 15.8-13.7-3.3 .482
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Thomas 18.5-7.2-3.2 .446
Yes, Zeke won 2 chips in this time (which is the ultimate goal, no one has to explain that), but that’s a team accomplishment. That’s why it’s unfair to measure greatness only by chips.
As an individual, Thomas didn’t make NBA All-Team (not even 3rd team) from 1988-1992.
That’s not an opinion, it’s a verifiable fact.
On top of these facts, the only opinion I’ll offer (which would be delusional to deny by anyone who understands the game) is that chemistry is extremely important in any organization.
Not only was Isiah Thomas statistically outperformed by all of his competition as a guard for the five seasons leading up to The Dream Team, he wasn’t respected by multiple players on that iconic squad and that’s just as important as talent in the long run. None of this changes the fact that Thomas is a legend.
Shay you need to stop player hating.Isiah pulled the ultimate punk move and payed the price.
It's not like they needed Isiah to win. They had Magic, Bird, Jordan, Malone, David Robinson, Barkley and others!!!
Lol. Jordan Magic and Bird on the same team. Enough said. Of course Isiah is not part of that!
Michael Jordan as a boxer or an MMA fighter would have been scary his mentality was Savage until this day, he just don't give a f*** about what you think about him he just focus on his goals and I think people should learn from him not to listen to what everybody says but your heart a lot of people in this Society are very weak minded where they just listen to what everybody says and get broken really fast you cannot do that to Michael he just take it personal and to another level and beyond
Be careful who you treat on the way up. I.T. during an all star type game told everyone not to pass Jordan the ball. Jordan was boycotted on the court. There were personal feelings coming from both sides but it started with I.T. And Jordan was not the only one who did not want to play with Isaiah. Detroit was ruthless. But, yes they should 've kept it all the way professional and let Isaiah play on the Dream Team for the better. He deserved to have played for his nation. Magic Johnson should have held a meeting between the two to squash it.
I love Isiah! But his thoughts on Jordan are very delusional.
Pretty much.
True
Imagine still being hurt over something that happened 30 years ago.
That something was being on the one and only dream team! Come on
That SOMETHING could improve his legacy, so yeah
Shut up
@@BooHefner yes sir. Foh
Isiah Thomas seem like the type to be facing life in a trial and sit there and smile the whole time. “Isiah do you understand the seriousness of this trial” isiah: 😁 yep
My favorite basketball player #11 zeek! Man I love you! Bad boy!
I closed my eyes ... I thought he was talking to Bron at 1st 🤔
Shannon taking shots at Jordan for lebron lol.
Ofcourse the chemistry would've f'd . The fun wasnt gonna be the same
BINGO! Glad someone peeped it
From a personal standpoint. But I thought these guys or the guy was professional. The chemistry would have been fine, even if I played in that spot.
I must of missed it. Didn't see Bron mentioned at all except from Jordan nut huggers
Yea I didn't like that about the interview. Shannon determined to make a case for his man's smh
So having Detroit coach was ok 😂 😂
This is the show where shay speaks and invited nod
I always figured they just had some heat against each other because they came from a different era of real rivalries. I never believed they had actual animosity to this day until The Last Dance
You obviously are not aware of their entire history
Zeke need to stop he know it was more then Mike who didn’t want him there. He’s been on record talking about Scottie not wanting him there. It’s documented Magic didn’t because of things Zeke said about Magic behind his back prior to which Zeke denied doing and Magic and him squashed it on the special with admitting he let ppl get in his head. Malone didn’t want him there and neither did Bird. Everbody else didn’t care one way or the other but everybody acknowledges he should’ve been there... Both parties need to hash it out but why ppl acting like Mike didn’t clarify he spoke on his feelings at those moments not present time
He said he only cared about how Mike felt because he was the best in the league. He said he didn’t care about anybody else not wanting him there because they didn’t matter to him lol
@@markesgrant that’s not what he just said in this video. Zeke flip flops a lot... Magic the one you got a personal relationship as a big brother you want me to believe he only cared about Jordan.. That’s BS The person I call my big brother not wanting matters more then who’s the best player in the league... He should’ve expected Jordan and Pippen to feel a way.. Magic not so much
@@bklynbarks3724 yeah, I’m going off of what he said during a segment on NBATV.
@@markesgrant yeah I saw that but that was mainly him saying what we all know if all of them said we don’t want Zeke and Mike said nah let him play he would’ve played. We all know even tho others agreed Mike voice was the loudest. I think the timing of the olympics hurt Zeke.. I think if it took place later then right after the walk off. Things might’ve played out different that’s a slim might tho...
No you don't need to be the best of friends, but with that being said, that team had so much talent that they could afford to say no to a player they weren't friends with, even though he was an ATG.
Imagine beeing interviewed by this man 😂 you just let him talk all day😂
Facts.... Isaiah deserved to be on The Dream Team....
Who cares?! I'm a Bulls fan and seriously, everyone needs to let this mess go!
Michael Jordan still apparently cares lol.
@@isaiahscaggs He doesn't though, he genuinely looks annoyed every time someone brings up Isaiah Thomas and the Dream Team controversy.