The most popular foldable, for some reason - Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 4
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
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Riley hasn't used a folding phone, so when we got Samsung's new Z Flip 4 he demanded he air his grievances on the next generation of phone form factors.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Riley's flipping out
0:27 Unboxing
1:25 Design first impressions
3:04 Ports and buttons
4:04 Thoughts on folding compared to flipping
4:54 Sponsor - dbrand
6:25 Charging impressions + setup
7:47 Thoughts on the crease and colours
8:55 Front cover screen impressions
11:05 Speaker impressions
11:52 Specs
12:42 Cover camera selfie impressions
14:07 Main camera impressions
14:46 Using the camera folded
16:13 Update policy
16:36 Overall thoughts
16:51 Outro
17:00 Linus reacts to the Flip 4's skin - Věda a technologie
"Is it people buying it because they want to put it in their purses?" Yes. Can confirm, this is the only reason why my wife bought one. Mini purses do not fit bigger phones.
Laughter in manliness
Most women seem to carry larger purses. I always thought the phone size/weight thing was actually a bigger concern for men due to this.
My wife has her iPad in her purse half the time. 😆
Also protects the screen from stuff inside the purse (keys, coins, etc). Unfortunately, the "dust in hinge" problem is kind of worse in a purse.
Also, women's pants don't have deep pockets. Larger phones slip out of pockets all the time.
Given the money, I would want one to keep in my pocket as I do the current one, but taking less space and with less screen scratches
Wouldn't an iPhone mini be a better fit?
It's not really surprising that it's the most popular, considering it's the only one that somewhat affordable.
And has the clearest purpose and least amount of jank.
@@SomeThingOrMaybeAnother, what? It's folding feature is the most gimmicky. Fold has a clear advantage of bigger screen for larger videos, text, desktop view for websites and decent space to work with two apps simultaneously. The only thing for flip is... well, it's a cool party trick.
@@rinrin4711 It makes it more compact. It's a normal phone that folds in half. That's it.
@@rinrin4711 Smaller footprint inside pocket/purse, the screen is protected from getting scuffed while folded, its neat.
Fold has to deal with lack of app support, which this one likely wont run into, fold can be feasibly replaced by a tablet (with how its priced a phone + tablet combo might be on par or even cheaper)
Thats all I could think of, I dont own either and dont intend on getting any of these until they've further matured but theres reasons for both to exist.
@@rinrin4711 exactly
I love that dbrand has an engineer on staff whose only job responsibility is to design products to troll Linus.
Only requirements are that you have to be petty AF and have a passion for making Linus into a joke on his own channel.
@@ghostnike901 Dude it's not a big deal, if they didn't want this then they wouldn't have take the sponsorship.
@@lunchtreyy Not a big surprise considering the guy's comment history. 🤔
Yeah but dbrand PAID Linus to advertise the profitless short joke. Who really wins here lol
@@GlorifiedGremlin Dbrand profits more from you thinking they are a fun company then being interested in a specific product.
It builds a relationship to their entire brand instead of just to a specific product.
It also creates loads of in-jokes with LTT, which is obviously a very strong brand to people watching this channel.
So, dbrand is quite clever with this, honestly.
Also, I'm one of those people who almost always scroll past the ad, dbrand ones don't feel like ads but feels like sketches, so there, I stick to it.
And I honestly also like the brand somewhat and might even use it at some point (especially since I noticed they are shipping free to Europe (a bit uncertain about taxes and such though).
The reason I got one was to, ironically, spend less time on my phone. For me it's a mindfulness thing - physically opening up my phone makes me realize how much I'm using it. Now I'm spending less time endlessly scrolling through CZcams and using it to just text, call, and check on work email. Pretty liberating IMO.
Thanks for the insight. Would have never guessed this being a real problem for people
@@petermuller608 phone addiction is a terribly common thing nowadays
This is one of the main positives that make me want to switch from a pixel 6
Then buy an old school Razr! I’m planning to do so 😂
@@jimmyadaro but then how am I going to play Clash of Clans? 😂
As a Verizon Sales rep we definitely sell the Z-flip a surprising amount. It's a combination of factors, first and foremost is the pocketablility. Women's pants just don't have large pockets so it really appeals to women specifically in their late 20s-early 40s. Beyond that the pricing is good, $1000 is only $200 more than the standard s22. Also foldables tend to have better promotions available from carriers.
Personally I had a Fold 3 for 2 weeks and ended up returning it because it was just unwieldy, a flip would have fit my lifestyle far better as it is a much more manageable size.
I thought you guys only buy iphones cause of the whole sms/imessage thing?
@@sesr4887 i only buy iphone because android OS is insufferable, as someone who dailies both types of phones
@@Sheltur_0311 opposite for me. I just think it depends on what you're used to. I use my android phone way more than a company apple phone.
@@Sheltur_0311 Opposite for me. I like Apple's hardware, but iOS is current insufferable. Hopefully iOS 17 will add more essential features to appeal to pro users.
@@derekmcgaming I just want to set my own ringtones ;/
I'm actually surprised how much I use the tiny screen, especially for music and notifications. Also, the whole design weirdly makes me feel less distracted by my phone throughout the day.
Using it "camcorder" style is also pretty great for recording longer things, it's far more comfortable than a traditional phone.
Reading while at a table is also more comfortable, no need to prop the phone up or anything, can just bend it for a nice reading angle. Same goes for video calling.
I also always have an issue with my phone screens getting scratched up in my pocket, and it's basically impossible while folded. It is admittedly thicker in the pocket, but it also feels less likely to fall out due to it's smaller size. Normal phones like to fall out of my shorts all the time, this one has yet to come close.
Yes, this dude gets it. You dont know you want a foldable until you actually use one daily. This phone feels stupid in instore demo, but using one everyday is life changing. Now if it only samsung can squeeze a bigger battery in it. Anything less than 4000 is barely usable these days.
@@BTG07 my flip 4 has a better battery life than my s22 ultra. So i think its fine!
@@BTG07 You just need to know how to manage and protect your battery. And it's not at all difficult to carry around a small powerbank in a bag or something
Can you do this review instead of Riley, please?
Yeah, having that step between checking notifications and bring sucked into Instagram can be nice.
I bought a Flip 3 because I was tired of getting poked in my hip bone every time I raised my legs or sat in a chair when wearing slim fit jeans and chinos by my old phone.
Flip 3 so far has been great to own, such a conversation starter as well and I don't even notice the crease anymore. Don't think I'll go back to a regular phone tbh.
This. Testing pocketability in trainers as he does in the video just makes no sense. In any decent tight fitting pair of pants, regular phones poke on your hip. I think that reviewers should start to consider that not everyone wears baggy sport pants all day.
Linus did a great job choosing the most underqualified staff member to review the phone. 10/10.
I want more of this lol
He chose correctly👌👌👌
Someone said it.
what you be butthurt he say it suck.
and why is ok hate apple not samsung
I knew Riley was going to hate this,I only watched for that reason
3:45 not actually an incorrect statement. I know a few people that carry small purses as an accessory and it fits in those. When you add the absolute brain dead decision by clothes designers to give women either no, or awfully small pockets. It makes some sense.
@@Rivanni I feel like the problem is more about the depth of the pocket. A large, long phone will stick out of the pocket a lot. This is shorter and will fit in the whole pocket. Maybe it's 2x thick, but let's be honest, that is still probably much thinner than the average wallet.
@@Rivannithe flip 4 fits just fine in mine.
@@Rivanni When dresses were first designed, women's dresses didn't need pockets as they always carried a reticule that they carried, had a servant or hired a street urchin to do the carrying of their goods. They did in many cases carry a small-sized bag around either their neck or waist to hold a few coins or a small amount of money, medicine, here I'm talking more about the upper class, but that's who most dresses were designed for.
Bulges disturbed the lines of the clothing and thus ruin the esthetics of the garment.
@@brianjohnson2488 European historical dresses had pockets and they were quite large, they were just a separate undergarment - they were on a cord that would be tied around the waist over the petticoats but under the overskirt, and the overskirt would have a slit that you could reach through to access the pocket. Women of all classes had these pockets.
I know a few ladies that got a Flip 3 solely for the fact it'll fit in the pockets of their pants whereas the slabs won't.
As someone who recently started daily driving a Flip 3 I can easily say that the flip form factor is just a lot of fun. It maybe chunkier in the pocket but at least it doesn't take up the entirety of my pocket like a normal slab phone, also riley you can pick up calls when it's closed. It just automatically goes into speakerphone mode kind of like a walkie talkie or a smartwatch. The only real downside to these phones is that the screens are garunteed to die out at some point due to the folding which is why I personally prefer the Surface duo approach
The problem with surface duo is that it's 2 screens with huge gap in the middle, you cant really use it like a tablet like fold, only 2 tall screens which you can assign 2 tabs on each
@@Simon-tr9hv That's not the only problem with the Duo; the hardware is very fragile and the software is downright abysmal bad. I replaced my after 2 weeks.
I’d love the Duo approach if they stopped releasing them with generations old hardware (duo 1 didn’t even have NFC…) and shit software. Oh and if they could manage to figure out the camera so there was a front facing and rear while closed like the z-fold
@@Simon-tr9hv Just use it as two seperate screens then as it's meant to be used
@@nesyboi9421 lol and that's the reason why it's dead, that's the appeal of foldables, it's still the same size as normal phone but can be used as a tablet with much larger screen, what you gonna do with 2 seperate screen?
Yeah.... Riley really forgot about the pockets (or lack there of) in women's clothing. I know two flip owners, and the first thing they both showed off was "look. It ACTUALLY fits in my jeans pocket". Considering that my wife has to take her phone out of her pocket to sit down without crushing it, I can see a LOT of people being excited by the compactness of a flip. I'm pretty sure if he asked Nicole, Emily, Sarah, Yvonne, or anyone else who has to deal with women's jeans, they would tell him the same thing.
If the problem is pocket size, the solution should not be a super expensive phone but pants with largers pockets
@@theotimefasquelle3561 look at mr genius over here, that's entirely different issue altogether
@@hilmannajib Not really. Women's pockets are not only small but tight so having a double thick folded phone won't help much anyway.
I bought this for the fun. I figured it would give me the novelty of a folding phone with minimal compromises. I had no idea how useful it would be! It's basically a built in stand, the camera has a lot of versatility for taking selfies and group photos using the better sensors, I can even use it as a tripod to film things. Also I haven't heard people talk about this but it's a big phone and I like big phones but I have to use reachability setting to go one handed. The ability to partially fold the phone is the best reachability feature in any phone! I can go one anded without skipping a beat. I love this phone!
While there are definitely some benefits to this form factor, I think the number 1 draw to this phone for most people is... fun. A lot of people long for the days when phones were more fun, and not just another rectangular slap with slightly better specs.
this ^^ 100%!
Actually yes...and it is also a great conversation starter.....u can flex all the way 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i just got a flip4 from having an s21 and while its scarier to drop, its a lot more fun to use and i do love the cover screen
Being able to fold the phone is certainly way more fun that not being able to. And the fold is so much better at this than the flip.
True, I got it because it's sorta silly and stupid. All tech is out dated in two years now. Why take it seriously?
I love Riley, but why do you have someone review this phone that's obviously biased against it instead of someone neutral?
The same issue I had with his overview of the Surface Duo 2. He made all these gestures that nobody would actually do and then complains that the gestures don't work.
Because it's stupid he wasn't biased against it he tried it and thought it was stupid.
@@cablefeed3738 nah it's not though.
@@derekgutenson1244 12:06
@@cablefeed3738 big disagree. You could tell he just doesn’t like foldables. and it’s cool if he doesn’t like those types of phones, but to be 3 minutes in a video and hearing him run in circles saying “who would buy this?! What’s the point?“ should’ve just had one of the ladies or Linus make the unboxing not a Google Pixel fanboy.
I've been using the Flip 3 since release and I love it. yes the battery life isn't the best and the phone does have a few small quirks, but for what I need it suits me perfectly. My screen is always protected in my pocket, it folds into a small foot print (yes it's chunkier but way more comfortable in my pocket than a big heavy slab), and it functions pretty well for every day use. The only person who I wouldn't recommend a flip to is someone who is a power user who is always gaming or consuming media and socials. I know after converting to a flip phone that I will never go back to a slab phone if given a choice. And for all of you comparing the Flip with the Fold, you guys clearly have no idea. They are completely different products who suit different users with different needs.
truth. i love the flip. i'm not a phone gamer or power user. i like the nostalgia of a flip phone and you can bet your ass that if the newest razr gets released in the states i will buy it. the screen is protected from scratches by other items in you pocket, like keys or coins. its a fun phone. you can pair it with a watch and take control of the camera. its good tech. battery life is my only complaint
The reason I want to buy one is because taking out your phone becomes much more of an action. I use my phone way to much, so by making it a more "complicated" use, to check notifications or whatever, would probably help a bit. Also, new tech, it's cool.
Sure is cool, if the price is right I’m planning to switch from iPhone to this
Wont help
@@Kamek2182 It will help but probably not alot
could just use a book case then
Riley peaked at about 97 years old in this overview. I know folding isn't for me, but there are reasons people would want it. So much hate in his heart
*Gooooood. Let the hate flow through you* 😈
@Drew Mason Proper folding phone? This is the only one in the market. These writers were smoking some pot lmao
The fold style ones make sense to me, phone sized in your pocket, tablet sized when unfolded, but yeah they're too expensive still. The flip ones make no sense to me at all, it turns from a nice pocketable slim phone into a 2x as thick rectangle.
@@KriLL325783 many skinny jeans made for women have small pockets that won't fit every phone. If you want a smaller pocketbook, it's easier to carry. Also "just being cool" is a valid reason to me. If being cool didn't matter, we'd all be wearing Grey clothes and short cropped hair. Choice is good, even if it's not for you.
@Drew Mason what are you going on about for proper folding phone? lol aside from huawei and xiaomi this is the mainstream one
saw some girls love the flip fold due to how small their pocket in their pants and it fits great
10:37 You actually can answer and make phone calls with the phone closed, it's just on speaker phone (or if you have some headphones or earbuds, obviously the call audio will be in those). I find it very neat and handy especially because I do use one of the cover widgets as my favorite contacts and when I need to make a quick call, I don't have to open the phone at all.
David asking, "you're not a smart watch guy are you?" Shows that they realized their mistake in host choice. I get that Short Circuit is an unboxing channel, but if LMG isn't going to give the phone more time then I'd rather have a host who shows a balanced interest in novel products. Someone who is within the potential target market.
That said, I am glad to have watched Riley's skepticism towards the phone, but that's about all we got.
We got skepticism and his usual bad jokes. It was particularly grating this time since large phones can be a pain for women because the pockets in their clothes are smaller. I got one because I got tired of fumbling for my phone inside a pocket full of other things. Nor do I really use the screen for more than reading notifications, I don't need the large screen all the time. If I didn't already have a tablet for watching youtube I would probably have gotten the Fold 4 though since it could serve double duty as a phone and a decent sized mini tablet.
@@metachronicler did you want somebody to instead agree with all of your already held beliefs?
Joey wants a reviewer that’s more of a promoter or salesperson
@@jlatoo No I want someone who spends more time thinking about the actual use cases that people might have as opposed to trying be funny and failing, instead he was just being asinine while not providing any entertainment value. (Mainly because he is never funny to begin with.) Even Max Tech's click bait review follow up had more value to it than this video and the lady doing the review in that one ended up not liking the phone at the end of the day.
@@metachronicler there’s very little use cases that are genuinely better than a regular phone other than it being able to fit in smaller pockets. The main selling point is the fun factor and he didn’t find it fun, that’s all there is to it
Yes.. you can answer the phone / hang up when its closed. It defaults to speakerphone when answering when it's closed as well. It's actually a nice feature when it's sitting on your desk. Having it folded open like a laptop on your desk is also nice for texting - you're not leaning over or picking up the phone to text to get a better angle at the screen. :)
Yeah...I'm like what is this guy talking about lol he did 0 research on this.
I've had the z flip 3 for like a year now and one of the biggest benefits is that the screen never gets scratched. Since it's folded in my pocket the screen is super protected from all the junk in my pockets.
also if you drop it the screen will be protected especially from my understanding most people that drop their phone is when they're grabbing it out of their pocket or from a table
Same, I love folding mine just a touch then setting it down in landscape to watch content don't need a stand or anything, not to mention all the ways you can use it to get shots with the camera!
loved my phone until bubbles appeared and lining in with people that have the same problem after a 2week waiting time in a samsung store 40miles away
Screen protector and a case.. 🤷♂️
@@jumbomuffin1316 Then you just have a phone with a scratched up screen protector that you gotta live with or replace constantly. My phone also has a case. They make them for the flip.
Riley tried to tear this phone apart… but he kind of just succeeded in making me want one lol
Wanna promote something? Hire a hater, people are gonna buy the product just out of spite to trigger him up.
*BIG BRAIN TIME*
Ngl, this is the dumbest phone I've seen since the ones that tried to have a full keyboard in them. This video only proved that, to me.
As I'm sure many people have already pointed out, you can in fact take calls as well as start calls from the cover screen
It defaults to being on speaker when it is folded rather than using the earpiece
one of the rare cases where the dbrand skin completely ruins the phone's design tbh. looks way better unskinned.
yes, it doesn't look right with the skin.
A skin to make it look like a ds would be cool
...or just with a different skin. something like a matte black skin would probably still look good here.
@@sebastianjost yea plain matte black would look sweet.
The point of this skin was not to make the phone look cool or better, my god
It's my first foldable phone and I honestly love it. Listening to music on it sort of reminds me of the MP3/MP4 era. And yes you can answer calls while folded, but it's speakerphone
just cerious, why did you buy it in the first place? is there a specific reason?
@@4knetic723 Personally I bought it for one reason (flip3), I do a lot of video conferences, and the fact that it doesn't need any support pretty much any where you are (meaning you don't need to have a stand available every there you're sitting throughout the day) don't need to try and prop it up against everything is quite good, obviously it's only useful if you do a lot of video calls... also this feature extends to taking group photos from a distance.
Otherwise though the screen is always protected when closed, it's also very easy to scratch when open, granted it only scratches the screen protection that can be changed, it's still a pain.
The battery life is crap... But then I do actually use my phone mostly for calling (which can now be done from the cover screen on select numbers) so can help to improve battery life, shame that answering the phone closed is still f'in incompatible with whatsapp calls...
It's gimmicky phone that does have some useful specific use case scenarios but that's about it
@@4knetic723 personally bought mine because I needed a new phone and the flip3 was on a huge sale and incredibly affordable. I also wanted to experience it and have some fun with it since I do like tech
@@4knetic723 Well my A50 died and Google Fi had this sale, offering flip4 preorders for $600. So I took it, waited a few days and there it was. I didn't do copious research about it, didn't have the biggest expectations, but I really like it.
The form factor to me is a detail not the point. Specs are good, audio is decent, I like the camera...it's a good phone that folds on top of it, not a crappy phone with a folding gimmick.
now that you use it... isn't it kind of weird that we got used to having huge pieces of glass and metal poking out of our pockets?
I was skeptical at first but I got a flip 3 right when it came out and I love it, the form factor makes so much more sense sitting deeper in your pocket like a wallet and while the outside screen isn't super useful it does enough that I'm really glad it's there (and yes you can answer phone calls with it closed on speaker by default). It's just fun to fidget with sometimes too and the camera tripod mode has been incredibly useful on many occasions
Watching this Flip 4 review on my Flip 4 is great 😂
It's definitely not a phone for everyone, but I work primarily from a desk and having a phone that can physically close stops me from getting sucked in with every notification.
As for the pocket, he's right, its a little clunky in guy's pockets, but then just don't fold it, it's plenty thin. But for backpacking, running/biking, man this phone is great! Just fold it up, throw it in your bag and you're good to go. Great cameras and taking group photos when you don't have a random stranger to hand the phone to is pretty nifty when it comes up as well 👍
Perhaps the size is more appealing to women since their pockets are always super tiny. My wife won’t even try with her current phone, but perhaps with a folded phone it might fit?
No, because when the flip is well flipped? (Flopped?) it’s still pretty wide so I’d imagine it’ll be pretty tight in small pockets.
If that was the case women wouldn’t love buying the iPhone Pro Max. The iPhone 12 mini also wouldn’t have flopped. I feel the appeal is the smartphone market has matured so the flip is just something that is different. It doesn’t really offer anything that makes you life better but it folds.
Yep, that's why it's amazing, it fits well even in skinny jeans
@@bray2079 It's almost as if women are individuals who have different needs and possibly buy different types of pants.
@@REXae86 a woman's hand is wider than the phone, if a woman's hand fits in the pockets, the phone will too. lol
the appeal of a folding phone for me would be that the screen is protected when folded, i have scratched several phone screens with my other EDC items.. that being said i dont think they are good enough yet,
Just put your other EDC items in a different pocket?
The folding displays are made of plastic, not glass, so it'll scratch easily anyway.
@@KriLL325783 Preposterous!!
@@BrokenKeybored0112
While they CAN be scratched easily, the reality is that will almost never happen. You're not going to scratch it while actively using it, and when you aren't using it it will be folded up and protected.
I daily drove the Fold 2 and 3 from their respective launches (still drive the 3), and my inner display doesn't have even the slightest damage.
@@BrokenKeybored0112 isn't it supposed to be some composite flexible glass? I haven't seen a single one come through my store with any scratches on the screen as of yet.
Having a flip phone with a small notification screen helps reduce screen on time A LOT. Also helps with focus. Also when folded and placed on the table ur now worried about the screen. The compact form factor when folded means it fits in ur pocket or small waist bag when you are out for a run, workout or just a walk around the park. Holding it folded when making payment via samsung pay is definitely more convenient thatn hovering a 6 inch phone with the screen all exposed when tapping to pay, it fits snuggly in your palm and no one can even look at the small screen behind ur hands. Taking wide angle selfies, group selfies with the main camera while the phone is folded when you are out on a trip with family and friends, the phone fit snugly in ur palm, 1 handed, and u can snap a photo with voice or palm detection, no need to fumble with a selfie stick or a 6.7 inch slab using the selfie camera which is much lesser than the main camera, or trying to use the main camera while guessing ur shot. Not to mention step by step navigation from the cover screen, which is so convenient while walking, riding or even driving, its something u can fit snugly in the palm of your hands, instead of lightly holding a 6 inch slab which can easily fall off or snatched. OMG there is SO MUCH advantage to this form factor. There is a reason why its becoming popular.
"You have a phone that's nice and thin, that fits in your pocket" *cue uproarious laughter from everyone who's ever worn women's clothing and tried to fit a standard candybar smartphone into it*
I don't blame Riley for not knowing that's an issue, he doesn't really have to encounter that.
Buy proper clothes or wear a purse. It's not a general woman problem, it's individual women making bad decisions and choosing impractical clothing.
@@citizenkane2349 most (or nearly all) women's clothing come with undersized or no pockets. It would take a large collective effort to change that.
a bunch of men's clothes will have a regular phone poking out, which i hate. or a huge hideous outline depending on fabric, specially if you wear formal. you won't have to deal with this if you dress like a child, like this dude tho. i also don't think the "nice and thin" argument works for everybody, but yeah women have it way worse, now they don't even fit in formal purses.
@@bzipoli What are you talking about? Is not wearing a suit dressing like a child?
Honestly, this particular phone is exactly what my fiancee needed. It fits in her handbag seemlessly and tbh when we travel the "tripod" camera mode was super handy
Lol'ed when he folded it in half and made it seem like it was suddenly twice the weight 🤣
I have this flip 4...i'm commenting on it right now, and believe me..what he says about this is kinda true at some point...i even experimented on this multiple times, when i got the phone last week..it feels weightier when folded..it doesnt make sense, but like he said, it feels denser....i think it's because the 'center of gravity' plays the role here...when it opened up, the phone is wider, so the center of gravity also spread wider..when it folded, all the weight (even it's the same weight' becoming centered..i don't know how to say it, but 'denser' is a good word to match that 'weightier feeling'
@@deadlybear92 I would guess it’s a combination of how much further it protrudes to the side, and how much of the weight is concentrated right at the bottom of the pocket
@@deadlybear92 yes, it is called weight distribution, while folded, you feel the weight stronger because the two slabs ar parallel with each other, while unfolded they sit on each other, which makes it FEEL lighter
@@ronins24 that's actually funny..coz in the end, the weight is just the same 😅
@@deadlybear92 Surface area or distribution is different, the weight being the same doesn't matter. Get a knife that weighs the same as a hammer, you think you can cut yourself on the hammer? It's the shape and where the weight sits. It may weigh the same, but have vastly different use cases due to its form. Thicker phone in this case, can mean it can push onto the body more and it would also push heavier in a smaller spot. For jeans it's probably better, I don't know. Jeans are so stiff, would never wear such things. Some have mentioned smaller pockets on women's clothing. I have never paid attention to such a thing, so I don't know. To someone ignorant on the subject, I'd just buy "men's" pants if that was an issue. Why buy an expensive phone instead?
The more surface area, the more it's distributed in other areas. Get a small ball that weighs the same and it may puncture the pocket, for example. Maybe not, this phone probably doesn't weigh much. But if you get up in multiple kilograms and it's a tiny ball, probably.
It's small, it's (relatively) cheaper, and it doesn't has any competition in its field. That's why it's the most popular foldable in the world 🐚
People don't wanna get the new razr fold because it's not a brand people want. Just like Apple, Samsung is seen as a status thing on Android. Kinda weird
@@NYC_Goody or ignore that k-tei smartphones are a thing... but getting it to work outside of Japan is probably more of a hassle
@@NYC_Goody Well i like motorola, i even bought one for my mom because she neede da 200 ish basic smartphone. It's great value. But the Razr, i was able to have it in hand. The shape and bezels makes me feel like there is a lot of wasted screen area. Also, it wasnt feeling as polished as a flip 1, even less compared to a flip 3.
@@Tyanu_Khah You talking the 2020 model? Because the 2022 model seems pretty solid. And when it's closed, there's far more screen real estate than the flip 3/4 which Samsung should be embarrassed about. So much blank canvas for that tiny front.
@@NYC_Goody Yes, i had the opportunity to compare the RAZR 2020 with a flip 1 when i was looking for a new phone.
The longer I have my Flip 3, the more I enjoy it. It's so convenient to toss in a shirt pocket or many smaller coat pockets that wouldn't be big enough for a regular phone. And I like how much I can see/do without even opening the phone. I just wish it had a better camera, to at least be able to zoom a little bit. I keep mine at 60hz so battery isn't an issue at all.
I had a case with a ring on it, it was kinda cool as a cute briefcase and gave a nice secure hold on it + when unfolded it doubled as a kickstand. This is not possible on a non-folding phone, kickstand cases are gigantic or rings protrude like crazy. Too bad my screen gave in after 5 months of folding&unfolding.
They should’ve had someone else unbox this phone. Bro really pulled up hating on it simply because it’s not his type of phone.
exactly, I feel like things like tech should be mostly objective, you can say if you like it or dislike it but he just kept on complaining every second
The worst thing is that there are plenty of real criticisms to levy at this phone: the price without some trade in or carrier deal, the size of the secondary screen (Though I suppose a bigger screen would negatively impact battery life.), and the inability to set google assistant activation for the power button to name a few.
It actually fits in people's pockets, it is more durable, it is more affordable, and it is somewhat nostalgic for people. It is no surprise to me. My mom wants one.
also it's a cool design, people including myself love cool/interesting designs when it comes to things especially since the design of a cellphone has become so mainstream and unchaging for years now
Literally nothing about it is more durable than a slab phone.
@@Ignas359 he probably means more durable than the last one or some other flip/fold phones.
@@OmniKoneko ita mainstream because its good. did you see that thing folded in his pocket? it looked like a rock, just bouncing around.
@@donkey7921 why don't we have plasma TV's anymore then? It was mainstream, but it's almost like just because something is mainstream doesn't mean that it's for everyone or that there can't be improvement in the future
two reason the fold might make sense(also never owned foldable screen but have owned older flip phones before). one, in smaller pockets(the ones in your shorts are actually quite large compared to some) larger phones can peak out making it more likely they fall out. two, when folded would theoretically protect the screen(though they seem to have a bunch of warnings about dust issues so maybe not as good a point on that model)
The folding can also double as protection for the screen, less worries about sand/dirt/coins/keys.
The pocket test doesn't make as much sense, but try fitting it in a small purse, and you'll see just how much of a difference the folding makes.
Thats why they make bigger purses? You don't have to take a tiny bag everywhere
Guesses as to why it's the most popular:
1) It's the cheapest folding phone from a notable brand
2) while folded, the interior screen is protected, making it safer for pockets, bags, etc
3) it fits in smaller bags (e.g. purses)
4) it fits in shallower pockets, even if it bulges more.
yep and those reasons can get you pretty far. I know I want one.
Also for more shallow reasons;
5) Its a status symbol of "i got the money for cutting edge technology"... Having a folding phone > iPhone in terms of status these days.
I got one before release for my mom, unboxed it on my channel, and my mom loves it. It combines what she loves about flip phones and smart phones and it fits in her purse perfectly. If I could have gotten a second, I'd have one as well.
OMG do a series with Riley roasting things with his admirable, down-to-earth common sense, pleeeease!
Kudos to the editor whom certainly had some fun editing this video.
Riley reviewing this like he's 70 years old. He's obviously never had tiny pockets. I can actually keep my flip 4 in my pocket, unlike other phones.
He doesn't wear shorts either. Especially while working out (he doesn't)
I've had a lot of my friends buy either the Flip or an iPhone, and most of their reasons for getting such devices were because they looked beautiful. Seriously, that's it. We techies tend to forget that majority of the customers don't really care about the performance of a phone - that is, in terms of highly demanding stuff like gaming - most of the people would get a phone that looks good and takes good photos. Aaand in terms of pricing, most would get their phones tied to a plan, instead of paying full price from the start, and many of the carriers have varying prices, so the inital MSRP wouldn't really matter to quite a lot of people.
I have been using this for a couple days and I like it a lot. I use the cover screen most of the time now. It's small but it worked just fine. I also been more careful than I have ever been with my previous phones.
A few of my friends were a hater before I bought it then when I actually got it they were all impressed. It's a cool gadget for sure.
It's like Flossy said. The real reason a lot of people buy this phone is so they can whip it out at the restaurant or club or with their friends and have the most unique phone. Nobody cares about you getting a new iPhone with how iterative they've been recently, whereas every person you show a flipping phone to wants to at least try it once. And compared to the Fold it just becomes a regular ol' flagship, not really any compromises other than a hit to battery life and durability concerns.
Not saying it's a good reason but it really is a good conversation starter.
Ya seriously good point about the iphone. There is nothing special about having the new iphone anymore, because it is going to look exactly the same as your friend's 5 year old iphone, so just looking at you holding it there will be zero indication that you spent so much money recently lmao. That ticks some people off lol they want to brag without having to use words hahaha
I agree this definitely turns heads
You can actually accept and deny calls while it's closed/unfolded, it just puts it on speaker, then you can fold it out and it goes to ear speaker amd then you cna close the phone to deny call
The fact that they didn't even try a test call just shows how negatively biased this unboxing video is.
@@jerrycaidic08 There wasn't enough thought put into this video. I was like dude it goes into speaker phone mode. I could totally get if you aren't into that (I'm not myself.), but come on, no one is stupid enough to make something like this where you would have to hold the folded phone up to your ear.
@@jerrycaidic08 another reason to dislike the video
Having used the flip 3 for almost a year, it's amazing how many things he's gotten wrong in this video. It's like a vegan reviewing a barbecue smoker/grill. Shouldn't really be the one showcasing a foldable if you haven't ever used one or have no intention to do so.
Bought it just because it the feature of bending opens up so many possibilities. I feel like the more creative you are, the more useful you will find this phone.
Damn, never seen so much unjustified hate for a phone! Had a zflip3 for a year and loved it. More pocketable, less intrusive, different from the boring rectangle slab and no compromise to my smartphone experience. Only reason I sold it was due to the durability concerns for the screen which I hope they'll fix in future versions.
Same here! love mine, playing gameboy SP emulators on it is fantastic!
Never used one, but I do have S21 Ultra. Other than being unique, you get an all around worse phone for same price (~$100 difference). Worse battery, a much worse camera, less durable, worse display, less memory, slower charging. To some people being unique is good enough reason to buy/use something but objectively it is a worse phone.
@Drew Mason I really hope you still use beige, windowless cases for your computers with ketchup and mustard cables on your PSU, otherwise you are a hypocrite. It's just a machine so looks and form factor don't matter, right?
My ZFlip3 is still going strong after a year. I am not as concerned. The screen does feels surprisingly solid, and I did drop it once from the cab of a tractor trailer (~7 ft off the ground) onto the pavement while it was unfolded and it survived just fine. It only had Samsung's leather case on it.
yup the hate is too exaggerated
For the record, it is not denser. Neither the mass nor the volume changes when you fold it. It is definitely more compact though and can certainly fit better into certain pockets/bags.
Afaik he's talking about pressure (force per unit area) AKA it feels different in your pocket when it's folded.
The weight of it shifts lower in the pocket. For all intents and purposes, density in this context means weight per screen area (or whatever the larger face is when simplified into a box).
So yes, it's denser in the pocket in terms of feel, but not if you're being a pedant about density.
@@moltencucumber6514 there is, because the word he's looking for is "thickness" and density is not a substitute for it.
it just takes up more space in a different direction. it would fit some compact spaces better, but it could fit other compact spaces worse.
@@Sarafan92 yeah but everyone pretty much knew what he meant
The surface area is reduced though.
About Riley's concern over thickness. Yes, it's thicker when folded up, but it's much smaller. I have a hernia mesh inside me, and large phones sometimes push against it when sitting or walking, which is both uncomfortable and makes me nervous. I am genuinely considering getting the Flip as my next phone solely because it would be deeper inside my pocket and nowhere near my hernia patch.
As someone who worked the Samsung Unpacked Event. The Z Flip 4 was popular with Woman, who constantly stated that "it can actually fit in my pocket"
I also thought that the Camcorder hold for shooting is just a gimmick, but I found myself using it in one-handed operations when taking a picture (usually selfies). Since you get a better grip than the usual way.
I love this dude but he obviously already has his opinion about foldable phones before he even started unboxing it. Having a person who is unbiased would have been better than him complaining about something as common as the lack of an earphone jack. At times it seemed like he was reaching hard for problems about the phone which distracted from the valid points he made about the foldable.
I agree he was the wrong person to do this review. We need someone who is willing to give it a chance. Obviously people like the phone, they shouldn't let the host be the one guy who doesn't get it haha
He missed out on lots of potentially valid criticisms by stuffing the video with asinine ones.
You can answer or make phone calls with it closed, it just defaults to speakerphone. You can set it to auto switch off speaker when you open the phone, which is nice, too. And then of course answering/ending a call by opening/closing the phone are optional settings too
I've had the phone for a couple weeks now and I love it personally. Yeah, it's thicker when folded up, but I feel like I'm less likely to drop it. I also love the cover screen, since I can easily check the time, notifications, and do other things like control my music and check the weather, which I've been doing a lot recently. The phone is slimmer (in terms of width) than my last one (S20+), and I honestly enjoy it a lot. I can more easily reach more things with one thumb. The placement of the fingerprint sensor is also very comfortable and easy to reach.
Overall I'm very happy so far with my Flip 4, although the same can't be said for my new carrier... But hey, I managed to get the phone itself for free because pre-order promotion
it's really good for people who have tiny pockets (like, e.g, every woman), and needing to unfold it means that you need to be really deliberate about using your phone. I was kind of skeptical but I bought it anyways since the tradein deals were too good, and I actually am loving it.
2:07 - I can fit 3 phones in my pocket when it comes to thickness. Hell, 4 would probably fit, my wallet is over 3 times as thick as my phone. But only the LARGEST of my pockets can fit a phone length wise. Phones are already longer than hand-accepting screen resolution (if you start making resolutions wider than 16:9 popular I'm going back to keyboards with my phone, 16:9 is too wide already).
People have problems not with how thick phones are but how unwieldy. Increasing the wieldeness so much is greatly appreciated. And it doesn't even increase thickness in the pocket by much. Cause any rational human being buys a cover for a phone that wraps around to keep the most breakable piece of phone, the screen, safe. So, by making it cover it's own screen you can only buy a back cover that reduces the thickness by a lot.
great reason!
Wow it's almost like it's nostalgic and the realization of some of the first concept sketches when OLED technology was first announced. There are probably photoshopped pictures of this exact thing from 2008. It's cool, not hard to grasp.
exactly, the best analogy would be cars, nobody needs those fancy cars with a billion horse power, fly open doors, 200mph speeds, etc. the reason why people get them is because it's cool and an enjoyable product to use.
i just want to take a moment to thank the editors, the music choices for this video were spot on * chef's kiss *
I bought the previous one when it was on black Friday sale. It doesn't have much of an advantage, but the "built in stand" is great for filming and photos.
The dbrand trust me bro warranty 😂
Is it that hard to imagine that there are people out there that enjoy phones that actually fit in their pockets?
He only wears pants with giant pockets so he can't understand
love the editing in this flippin vid!
Most people buy the flip for flex mode. It's incredibly helpful for use with the cameras, watching video and multitasking. I sure as hell didn't pay as much as I did for my old flip 5g just so I could fold it smaller.
I appreciate the honesty about the thickness and flipability. Sounds like a nitpick, but with how much we're used to the smartphone slab, you gotta convince me (and others) to get accustomed to a new feel.
If you're to do the clamshell design, old flip phones had the experience just right imo.
I'm a Big tall person who has huge pockets (I used to pocket my vita). The tiny form factor of my flip3 was the big deal for me. The protection from the flip is also a big deal for me. It also fits on my bike perfectly, its no bigger on my bars than my heads up unit. The front screen with Cover OS is crazy useful to me. I normally watch yt through it in bed.
Hold up....
You watch CZcams on the cover screen?
😳
you can answer calls with the phone folded, I do it a lot on the Flip 3 and it's quite useful.
I really like the fingerprint sensor in the power button. In my cheapo phone, it basically unlocks automatically without even showing the lockscreen.
The only benefits of a phone like the Flip are having a cinematic 21:9 display fold into a manageable form factor and phone becoming its own camera stand.
Well, the Xperia 1 series exist for that.
How about the screen not being exposed so it’s less likely to get dinged?
@@Rivanni talk about having a light saber in your pocket. Jokes aside, yes, it isn't a big deal, but the foldable technology addresses that to some extent.
2022 Samsung zfold, “it’s protrudy and dense who would want this”. 2024 Apple ifold, “brilliance, innovative, perfect everyone should want this.”
If/when apple makes a foldable I hope it's genuinely really good to force Samsung to try harder
@@roborat well yeah Samsung needs to step up more right now they arent really trying a lot
@@fuzer4047 this is why competition is good for consumers
I like how honest you are with the review.. we’re missing ppl like u nowadays 😕
Yes, you can answer phone calls while closed. It goes to your earbuds (if connected) or to speakerphone if not.
Tbh I've been considering a Flip device for a while, the 4 is almost there for me, but they just need to address the dust particle issue
Go check out @Jerryrigeverything's recent durabilty test on it, seems they fixed most of the issue
I read a comment that someone had worked in a polycarbonate factory with their flip 3 since release and they hadn’t encountered any issues.
dust doesn't ruin your phone, its just they wanna be in the safe side. A youtuber throw a whole load of sand on it and it didn't affect anything,just be careful thats it
as long as you're not sandman you'll be fine
i have a flip 3 and have had it since it launched. never had any dust problems.
This is more of a comedic unboxing and review than it is a serious one... :D
I just love the novelty of having a folding display without breaking the bank. The "tripod mode" is legitimately very useful. I'm looking forward to upgrade from my Z Flip 5G.
I've had almost a day to think about this, and I know LTT won't give a shit about this one comment out of 1k+: But I think this review epitomizes the bias that the tech community has. White tech savvy male reviewing a product and the glints of insights as to other's use cases (purse as an example) is immediately brushed aside as either unimportant or unrealistic. I don't think Riley is TRYING to be biased, or sexists, or whatever-ist, but this review shows how easy it is for ANY of us to do so. His bias made him unable to actually look at the product with any critical or understanding eye.
Why not the next time you have a very popular product to review and the reviewer "doesn't get it" - Stop. Stop it right there, and go get someone on staff who DOES at least understand the appeal even if it's not for them. Throw a survey up on twitter, get ideas of how people are using this.
Also, stop lying to yourselves, short circuit ARE reviews.
100%. This reviewer on ShortCircuit seems very biased and won't even try to see the appeal on certain designs or features. If you go into a review already "disliking" the idea, you're going to dislike everything.
I think the opposite is far worse, if you'll have a dazzled person review a product that doesn't make much sense, they'll call every stupid feature revolutionary. A skeptic person makes a better, sober review than a dazzled one
Its a phone that's supposed to have mass market reveal, get off of Twitter and realize you literally shitting on a guy for 1. Color of skin 2. Judging the mass appeal of an item
ffs, i like mine, no more scratched screens, it fits my pockets better, the music controls are dope and I can stand it on my desk and car half folded, it rocks. Needs bigger battery but that seems to be addressed in the flip4
When it's folded in half in your pocket it has a lesser chance of it sliding out when you sit down buddy 😂
Or you could wear jeans
got it, love it, tiny in the pocket, i drop it many times, since it's fold you never break the screen beside few dent on the outside.
I like my Z Flip cuz of pocket ability. I have this for my work phone and it’s nice to just have 2 phones in my pocket where one is really tiny. The outside is like a smartwatch and has a nice preview for when in meetings. It’s also satisfying to answer and end calls by folding and unfolding. I also like how big the screen is with how slim the sides are. It’s nice using the flash in different orientations when needed.
There is one thing which this form factor could have to benefit me, I use to have a phone in my knee side pocket and since I bought a new ultra-wide 6.4'' phone on almost all trousers I can't close that pocket and phone constantly fell out when I sit etc. I want 16:9 back :/.
Once you live with the flip in your pocket, any other phone feels like putting a tablet in your pocket.
I've had my Flip 4 for a few days now and I'm really enjoying it
Watching this on my zflip4 and would never go back to a normal phone it's so awesome
I'm looking into one of these because I want a smaller phone with a fingerprint sensor in the power button (I had one on my s10e and have wanted one ever since) and the Zenfone 9 is out of the question because Verizon and ASUS are having a hissy fit.
S22 Might be a great option. Its got a more compact footprint than Zenfone 9 but gives you a larger screen
It's the only option for a small actual phone. You want a tiny phone, what are you going to get other than this? Uniherz Jelly? Something from 2015? Weird Chinese brand?
@@LaidBackDeveloper I'm currently using the s21 and I'm under the impression that the s22 is not smaller nor does it have a headphone jack which I would enjoy nor a side mounted fingerprint sensor. I realize that the z flip only has the side mounted fingerprint sensor going for it but I would prefer that to what I have now. Thanks for the idea tho.
@@wtf_university the s22 is smaller than the s21
Thing is people are bored with normal brick shape smartphones (including me) so we tend to move to something that's unique and fun to use. That's where Flip & Fold comes. I use Flip 4, yeah not top tier like other brick smartphones at that price but this makes using smartphones more fun and it satisfy me.
Not really things tend to standardise to the ideal , all I think of the people buying into this gimmick (which is all it is ) is they are stupid enough to buy a phone with a crease you have full right to point and laugh at idiots like that
exactly, and there has been phones over the years that have done certain unique things that people loved like the different types of sliding phones or full keyboard phones, etc.
@@TristanTheVRGamecat a lot and I mean a lot of things do not standardise to the ideal. They standardise to the cheapest. As a Flip 3 user myself I can tell you that the gimmick is just very fun and also has practical use cases. For example the phone becomes a stand for itself. Not just by folding it 90° but also by folding it just a little and standing it up on its side to watch stuff in landscape mode. You can also use the "stand" feature for the flash light, which is very convenient.
To your point about how only stupid people buy this:
The crease isn't noticeable at all when you are using the phone and all I have gotten as reactions when people see the phone is that its super cool :)
Maybe don't rag on something you haven't tried :)
The phone I wish was sold in the use for years was the Samsung w series, so the flip series is the closest.
I love the flip 4, most of my phone use is music,I'll regularly kill my Jabra elite 85t in 2- 3 days. Since I don't any social media or play games the battery last all day.
That front little screen is excellent for just switching songs.
Personally just want them to make it wider. As one who used the first flip for over a year, that is something that I think could be done without making it comfortable I'm rhe pocket. Could possibly also unlock the ability for more battery, the weakest part of it
Clearly, Riley isn't a flipologist unlike Flossy. He does it the best! *Bong*
Shout Out Flossy Carter
Shout out to White Shoes
I had Z flip 2 and 3 and yes the only reason I buy it is so I can put it in my jeans pocket as women's pocket are extremely tiny and I don't want to care a purse everytime .
Also it is not as wide so I can finally reach with my fingers every button comfortably.
LTT desperately needs women in such videos. Men's take on this phone from ltt and others is just not good. Linus loves the huge ipad like foldable so of course he does not get this one and same with this review, implying that pocketability is not a good reason to buy is none of your business because you don't face this problem as a men.
I use tiny screen all the time. At night it is amazing to check time, I control my music and phone call from top screen so there is no reason for me to unfold it and it saves energy and does not look that intrusive if you are at work and need to snooze a call or read a quick sms, you can do it with top screen easily. And I like to take photos with the possibility to see myself, that tiny screen is enough!
exactly 🙏🙏
He got real smooth with the unfolding with one hand by the end
I might get one when they improve it by a lot, like actually make it flip open easier or have a button for quick flipping open while making it also hold in position if needed, BUT more importantly also make the hinge more invisible and more secure, because thats my main concern here.
The hing works well. It holds any position you set it in. How could they hide the hinge? It magically disappears when opened! The button to open it would be nice. Like a switch blade.
Yeah thinness is what matters for stuff in your pocket. It's why so many wireless earbud cases aren't... great. They're shockingly thick and apple actually did a good thing there. Not too thick, very slip, rounded. Means it super easily slips in and out of pockets. A lesson that is apparently incredibly difficult for others to learn. Why.
exactly the flipping just makes it a big rock in your pocket. a normal phone is so much better for pockets.
100% agree on many wireless earbud cases being way too thick.
The problem is that most phones have gotten so big that they don't fit into pockets anymore.
Especially women's jeans often have really small pockets, where modern phones stick out by 2-5 cm (1-2"). But there are also plenty of other pockets where you might want to put a phone, but can't because phones have gotten too big.
The Flip series is certainly not as elegantly thin when folded up as many other phones, but at least it still fits inside pockets without sticking out. I'm sure that is why many people buy it.
Because companies seem to only want to learn the wrong lessons from Apple. Companies can learn to design stuff to be better, as well as build a cult of disposable "premium product design." It would be great if they learned the first lesson, but most try to learn the second one instead.
I didn't realize how amazing I was at putting things in my pockets to be able to nail it every time I use my z flip.
And yet a Fold 4 is half the thickness of an Airpod's case.
I personally love my z flip 4 because I can tilt the screen to any position that I want for comfortable viewing angles
I find a six-inch display a major negative for watching media. I use a Tab S7+, but I cannot imagine using flex mode for even a smaller window! That would suck, there is a reason the cinema is the best way to watch video, bigger is better!
@@andyH_England sadly we can't fit that large of screens in our pockets yet for an affordable price
I've had a flip3 for a year and I love this thing. I admit that it's screen protector is bubbled across the crease, but the phone itself works great and so satisfying to just close the phone fully and hang up on people or brakes the doom scroll on Instagram.
I've also dropped it a bunch, and unfortunately threw/slid it across a parking lot and it was fine excluding minor scuffs and scrapes.
ive always thought that there would a practical side of having a barrier between the basic notifications and the rest of the phone, especially for people apt to waste large amounts of time if they open a phone for a simple notification and get sucked in. that being said, looks like it has a ways to go before it’s practical for other reasons