Introduction to Empedocles
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2013
- In this lecture we discuss Empedocles, the most colorful of all the Presocratics. While Empedocles wrestled with Parmenides' law against becoming, he also harbored within himself a strong spiritual impulse, and died by hurling himself into the volcanic crater of Mt. Etna, convinced that upon his death he would return to divinity.
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It's very possible. There's a lot of debate regarding how influenced these early Ancient Greek thinkers were by the ideas coming from the surrounding cultures. There's a book called The Shape of Ancient Thought by Thomas Mcevilley which argues that they were heavily influenced.
Yes. I don't think you touched on it, but the Pyrrhonists, Skeptics, and/or Gymnosophists are a great example. Not just naked teachers, but teachers of the naked truth; most likely, yogis, brought over from India. Their teaching of ataraxia, the state of no-mind, arrived at through transcendence of opposites, is very eastern. And Empedocles' idea of the cycles reminds us of the Vedic (or Pre-Vedic) notions of the yugas.
this man used to be so creative and imaginative, how he imagined the world to work is so fantagious it's actually amazing and very noble, this man was really heroic in his way of seeing the world, it's pretty awesome how much he nailed by observation.
The fact that this man, with so little knowledge about the natural world, was able to come to the conclusions that he did further affirms my stance that the way in which our universe functions is intuitive to the rational beings within it.
YES
What about the masses, who never arrive at such close approximations? Even a broken clock produces an Empedocles, twice a day.
Exactly, intuition is a non linear phenomenon that transcends linearity and reason alone
@@TheRealValus
I hate to put it this way, because it tends to create an impression I do not intend to convey, but most people are less than human.
By this I mean that to be truly human means using the gifts of intelligence, rational thought, and reason. Those who do not do so have voluntarily given up their humanity and operate largely on the level of domesticated animals.
Sadly, most people not only do not make use of these gifts, but openly mock those who do.
Until you get to quantum physics
this man essentially discovered the law of entropy
It is like answering a questions by anther question's answer
No, Anaximander did
This is blowing my mind.
Strife > Entropy ?!
Eternal Cosmic Cycles > Oscillating Universe Theory ?!
Great videos! Thank you.
strife kamia sxesi me entropy (??????)
Empedocles is one of the most underrated philosophers. Peter Kingsley was right.
So funny to think how long ago this was all thought up and yet how similar it is to how modern physics portrays the history and future of the uni/multiverse. The framework of thought is essentially the same, only the math has become much more complex.
To make it short the scientist is lagging us back to this myths. Philosophors, scientist and mob read this in the ancient books and connect it with modern knowledge by whatever they have to just
Everything is based off ideas of the past. Just shows that there are still many uncovered truths to be found.
Never knew much about Empedocles. What a brilliant and creative mind he had. Thanks for posting.
Hail Empedokles! May we all join you in the divine realm one day!
A very interesting talk, which I find most fascinating.
Well done.
Sir you are more then superb 🌸
He leaped into Etna to prove that he was a god.
It was a myth made by his enemies. We don't know what was happen in real.
Thankyou for these lectures. They are so easy to remember :)
he was so new age i love it
Love the way Empedocles used subjective human language (love and strife) in the lack of any other terms and ended up describing natural laws like magnetic attraction/repulsion and/or gravity and even physical cosmology (Big Crunch similarities). Not to mention that the elemental particles that everything is made out of is the atomic theory in its raw and crude form. It's classical mechanics before Newton.
listening to these lectures with Silent Hill 2 OST is...like dope.
Good combination 👍
Very interesting video! I like his idea of sphere, out of all the shapes the sphere has the greatest symmetry!
actually the idea of the sphere came from Parmenides
absolutely unreal how the presocratics discovered things we now know to be true about the world - physics, evolution, etc
Brillant!Thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you so much. ❤
Thanks
thats what we call nowadays dark energy and dark matter
I have always thought that the juxtaposition of the ancient "earth, air, water, and fire" was remarkably similar to the modern "solid, gas, liquid, and plasma".
Although I'm not sure if there was an ancient analog to the Bose-Einstein Condensate. 😁
4:55 sounds like the story of the big bang and the low amount of entropy in the universe at the time, as the universe expands there is more entropy or more strife
I thought the 4 stages are constantly occurring, for instance exhaling and inhaling would go through all 4 stages.
Creatures are designed ahead of time! I like that phrase a lot.It sums up Creationism elegantly.
Do you list any sources used in this video and others anywhere at all? So I could read from it myself and potentially cite them directly?
Reality by Peter Kingsley is a must.
Strife, we must secure the existence of our particles.
Is it possible Empedocles was influenced by hinduism. Not saying he could come up with this on his own. Cyclical nature of time.Reincarnation. Iternal struggle. Nirvana.
Ideas also absorbed in monotheism. Original sin and the fall and expulsion from paradise.
Fascenating man.
The philosopher's competition is over: Give Empedocles the 1st prize!
What was the Greek root word in relation to love being used in the video? There's a number of words from back then that were used for love.
Your Mom's Other Ride it was the word "φιλοτης " which translated in modern Greek is "φιλία " (filia) which means friendship.
What is the name of the painting @13:08? With the oxen head?
I feel like Epedocles had a dodgy dealer lacing his stuff every other week
I always wondered if there was some influence from hallucinogens on some of the great philosphers of the past. Obviously not all of them but they seem to echo some ideas and discoveries that modern thinkers and scientists have come to (or perhaps the other way around) and credited to psychedelics.
Incubation
Please explain and evaluate the views of empedocles?
Did he foreshadow Christianity?
i think somethings are LOST in translation, regarding his evolution theory. I do not think he meant it to sound as silly as it has been translated... by saying that "heads and limbs roamed the earth, and attached in different ways" he probably meant "features which we think belong to one animal, were found on different animals" instead of the mythical fable interpretation.
well maybe he had to sound so simplifying, to make it understandable to people back then who were generally not acquainted with philosophy and still relied on tradition to explain the world. Also, he lived only a mere 100 years after the "invention" of philosophy, so he probably did not posses a lot of specific vocabulary to truly express what he meant, and just used the words he knew.
Where love of the automobile reigns
Could a small lawsuit alter the course of history
Hold on here. If Empedocles was really a monist who didn't believe "becoming" was possible, why is his philosophy filled with so much change, so much becoming?
Who's your favorite philosopher?
Who is yours Ben
John Cena
Socrates by far, he changed philosophy teaching and metaphysics also he made commoners be able to be philosophers directly impacted the hellenistic ages four schools and taught plato
Did he really talk about particles of animals?
Wow
Could Empedocles' "love' mean harmony or unity? It seems that would be a better concept for his positing.
Wow, the start sounded like inflation theory!
For the concept of the fallen man, does it mean that this idea is not originated from the bible? Or maybe the bible "cited" this idea? For what I realized, Pythagoreans also embraced this idea.
Empedocles was a contemporary of King David. He must had learned from the Israelite prophet(s)
fallen creature view quite similar to Gen 6:1
All this is exactly the same from Indigenous tribes in West Africa. The Dagara tribe from Burkina Faso is where Empedocles teachings came from. Along with the Dagara tribe. It’s funny to see all the indigenous West African philosophies masked into “Greek philosophies” LOL
Let me explain lol
Empedocles theory of evolution isn't as far from the truth. In the cambrian period there where many odd and ridiculous creatures, but they died out and more sensible creatures replaced them.
Prove parmenides wrong....... Still waiting
Read platos parminedes
@@jacobh2147 read reality by Peter Kingsley.
I like how today scientists are using data to revive myths that was refuted from antiquity.
Useing data this way is like quoting Gospel to proof myself as the God.
I can see jew's influence and believe in these ancient Greek
Yo WTF, those are hindu ideas. Maybe greeks and Indians were sharing ideas.
Thank you!
Thank you!