The Ancient Civilizations of Star Trek
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How much of this is your speculation or extrapolation?
dude.
WTF is "Senchient"
I really liked this, thank you. But it makes me wonder about the scaling. For example, their ability to have, travel, and maintain these vast empires and territories. Did they use warp? Some of these regions are so massive that warp as we know it in the 24th century would be too slow wouldn't it? Is the reason there's no dilithium cause after hundreds of millions, if not billions of years, the ancients used it all up? Since there have been multiple versions of Borg, and they use transwarp, maybe they all used transwarp and the proof is in the Borg using it still?
I love the idea of the Progenitors explaining humanoid life forms. Did not know that.
I can’t help noticing that from our time, for the next 300+ years there is apparently no memorable music written as every time characters listen to jazz, rock, blues, pop or classical music it is always 300 to 400 years old.
It’s a bleak universe if all the best music has already been written. Or it’s just a very stupid conceit.
“Wanna hear some great music?”
“Lemme guess…”
All that lead to Rom becoming Grand Negus.
Rom bribes the romulan sun not to go supernova
Expert character development
that zek could really pick 'em
He knew the rules of acquisition well
Moogie deserves all the credit for Rom lol
As a longtime Astrophysicist and very recent Star Trek fan I am amazed that they have only explored one galaxy, The Milky Way, and not even the whole of that one galaxy. From watching various episodes and seasons I was given the impression that most of known space had been explored. They could keep writing this show until the end of time and that's a good thing.
Actually there was a CZcams fan video discussing this very thing, specifically talking about the Andromeda galaxy. I bet if you search Star Trek Andromeda it'll come up
As an astrophysicist you know that at light speed it would take 100 thousand years to get from our part of the milky way to the opposite side. So I'm not surprised at all that they haven't explored any other galaxies
@@MrTommytyler But they have FTL warp drives, so that isn't really a limit.
@@thek2despot426 Supposedly the technological speed limit is 10 times light speed. The distance between galaxies is still enormous.
@@SwayRod836 It isn't. They use a classification system for warp drives ranging from 1 to 10, but the speed associated with each number raises exponentially, and is not some multiple of c, as warp 1 is light speed but warp 10 is infinite speed (regarded as impossible), but they have warp drives in the warp >9 class which can travel at billions of times faster than light, which should allow exploration of all of the observable universe at the very least.
I'm 52 and I've been a "Trekker" all my life.
As an adult, I've not that much time left for my (many) interests. I stumbled upon your excellent channel exploring the Final Frontier on CZcams 😀
You're making an amazing work here!
Don't say that, you got at least another 50 years :P
@@I_am_a_cat_ yes, i hope so ❤
I'm 50, and I can't get over how many people are making a living these days by giving us these amazing book reports. No teacher made reading sound as fun and exciting as CZcams nerds. Whether it's the Trek nerds, the D&D nerds, or one of the billion other types of nerds, here's this unexpected niche created by the Internet, and I love it!
So now I see why Q has such an interest in humans, its clear in cannon that Humans have progressed the fastest of all species in such a short space of time.
This isn't new. There are various books that brings up that particular subject. For the most part Humans seems to have a natural ability of curiosity and exploration and desire of survival. So as such humans desire a necessity to improvise and or innovate to reach places, or resources they require quickly and efficiently. However the various reasons appear to be that Humans belong to a semi-death world being a varied temperate world filled with life but also many types of environments much of it dangerous but allows humans to adapt to various environment allowing them to pretty much adapt in places other races might find uncomfortable or even deadly, where humans would just say fuck it, its better than nothing, will make it better. Humans conducted warfare among its species for various resources at some point limited however to natural barrier, large oceans and isolation and earths size, various civilizations sprung up allowing humans to create different types of cultures allowing humans to conduct war in different styles, conduct trade, and learn diplomacy, and this might be different to other alien civilizations which may have evolved on say a world with no large seas or during a planets super continent phase and thus the lack of isolation could cause that civilization to slow technological progress or even diplomacy even warfare. This is why humans may for example would unify for a common goal when threatened as everything they learned over the ages allowed them the concept to work together to even technologically compete and defeat even a at the time more advanced opponent. WW2 is a good example. As such you have a race that not only is good at adaptation and survival, but also curious, diplomatic, and capable of waging war. The last part is important as Humanity actually for the moment in modern times perfected the art of war.
Human's used future tech to boost themselves forward, then put in place a temporal police force to stop others from doing the same thing. It is easy to win when you cheat.
HeroSquad1millionA.D. Heck yeah it is
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No, he digs Earth woman.
HeroSquad1millionA.D. You mean a temporal agency that much like the federation are more than just humans?
What about the machine planet that sent "VGER" back to Earth? Who built the Dyson Sphere from the TNG? And don't forget the Cytherians from TNG Nth Degee, my personal favorite.
STO has the Dyson Sphere built by the iconians, Vger was likely the Borg or a precursor species as hinted in STO, and not a lot of Beta content focuses on the cytherians, and their Beta appearances don’t hint at an origin.
@@HarleyQuinn-ol8ex In a beta Canon novel whose name escapes me, it is discovered that V'ger was created by a massive spherical entity known as "The Machine", which lived for the purpose of destroying entire galaxies as a form of art. The Machine was eventually reasoned with, and it agreed to leave the Milky Way alone. The details are fuzzy, as I haven't read the book in a while, but it is certainly unusual.
No one mentions the Cytherians pretty much ever. But there are always the loose threads of Star Trek.
Missed out the TNG / DS9 canon Hur'q empire and their conquest of Quo'nos, which was pretty easy as the Klingon culture was still at a pre-industrial early medieval level. Worf describes this aspect of Klingon history a few times. It is supposed to have occurred sometime around the period of Earth's of the Roman empire.
The Hur'q established Klingon slave colonies on several worlds within their empire, which later became the various worlds of the Klingon empire.
Eventually, according to Worf, the Klingons rebelled, having learnt how to use Hur'q weapons and technology against their enslavers, freed Quo'nos and, using a fleet of captured Hur'q starships, liberated all the Klingon slave colonies. The Klingons hunted down and wiped out the entire Hur'q race, according to Worf.
The liberation of Quo'nos and the genocide of the Hur'q is stated to have happened between the Earth years 1100 and 1300 AD.
The ancient Sarcophagus ship in Discovery is stated as being extremely ancient, according to scans, and is most likely Hur'q in origin, as were several other similar warships used in the Battle of the Binary Stars episode of Star Trek Discovery.
STO shows they survived , because of course, Klingons embellish their stories.
In canon their DNA was known, I’d prefer it if at least some of STO was canon as there are a few gaps.
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@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 scared of death and unknown?....sad....try facts over belief....it is much more fun and mind opening that easy answers for simple minded
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 A religious military nut...what a surprise.
@@PR--un4ub I was in the Army for 8 years and didn't know many Soldiers who attended every Sunday.
I always wondered that since actress Salome Jens played both the Progenitor in the Next Gen episode "The Chase", and she played the female shapeshifter in DS9, AND in both cases her facial prosthetics were very similar, that the conclusion we were supposed to draw is that the Founders & the Progenitors were somehow closely related.
I wondered the same. If the Progenitor and the Founders are in fact the same or at least somehow closely related as you say, the Founders must have forgotten all about that time of their history. OR the Founders were actually a failed experiment of the Progenitors, that turned against them, took their appearance and technology and used it for their own purposes.
They also had the woman who played Tara King on the Avengers play the Romulan commander.
@@cb-gz1vl Ensign Locarno was portrayed by the actor who became Lieutenant Paris.
The Human Torch became Captain America.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the progenitor race also kind of resemble what we see the founders try to look like when they assume their humanoid shapes. It's possible that was what the progenitors evolved into or like someone said it was an offshoot that doesn't remember its past. Would be a fun kind of episode if someone on a series examines a founders material and notices there's some weird connection to that progenitor race.
Wow some serious research was made for his interstellar video, totally appreciate it!
Right, it certainly was a SIRIUS effort on his part! :D
End, after all of this, the humans go from launching rocks to going to warp and founding one of the most powerful galactic entity, the Federation, in only 11000 years.
Apparently, Humans are the most ambitious race in the galaxy. Other races are content to take thousands of years to do what we do in 10. lol
But... the Federation isn't just Humans. If it were, it wouldn't be as large or advanced as it is.
David von Doom Yes I know, but we need to remember that in the 22th century (before the foundation of the Federation) a single human ship managed to destroy the evil plan of an extra-dimensional race...
Don't want to be this guy but 22nd*
@Sergente A Plus repeated this feat verses the Borg Collective, conquerors of a Multitude of Empires, while cut-off from the Federation by 70k LY or so. It wasn't even a Hvy Cruiser/Battleship(Galaxy) class ship either!
Humans are presented as the ultimate explorers. Other races may be stronger, or smarter, but none have the curiosity and creativity of humans.
"Everything you know, your entire civilization, it all begins right here in this little pond of... goo"
Unless Q is lying.
I could just step on it now and end it all.
That Q just touched, possibly contaminating it with his skin cells and helping to create humanity.
@@TheJackotron I mean, it's not like Q is like a human. He could be a single entity with no cells or molecules at all.
@@flinko99 True, but Q took the form of a human in this case so he could be comprehended by Picard. While it is safe to assume Q did not accidentally create humans, there is always the question of whether (as an immortal being) Q actually leaves any trace of himself once he vanishes or touches an object. I don't think I have ever seen Q scanned or examined closely onscreen, so the answer remains unknown.
What about the start of Bajoran civilization? Didn't Picard make a reference to Bajoran civilization existing during a time before humans stood erect on Earth?
My exact thought too
I'm also curious shout the wormhole aliens. One of the most influential races in star trek and not even a mention.
It's stated in at least one episode of DS9 that the Bajorans are over 200,000 years old.
500,000 years but developed warp technology relatively recently
I'm a long time Star Trek fan, but I had no idea how much was in its universe until now. Incredible!
Outstanding work.
Very well researched and produced.
Well done.
different incarnations of the Borg hadn't heard that before
Yeah I can't remember where that theory was first presented, but I think it's a decent way to reconcile the different (often contradictory) origins of the Borg presented in the novels, etc. Seeing as the Collective is referenced as only controlling a few systems in the Delta Quadrant in the 1400s, the one we see in the series is probably just the most recent incarnation of a recurring phenomenon in the galaxy.
anim8orkid you know I'm certain as soon as kirk reported the existence of the guardian of forever to Starfleet, it was classified with a level so high only 1 or 2 people can see it. I'm also sure that section 31 took control of the planet and are using the guardian as the best intelligence asset in history. Would be stupid if they didn't.
Trekspertise has a pretty in-depth look at early Borg development.
A point I'd like to make about the "thousands of centuries" comment in Q Who, is that it was made by Guinan, not Q. Guinan who by her own admission wasnt there when the borg attacked. It's also implied that El Aurians first encounter with the borg was when their system was assimilated. It makes sense that she would know what theyre called as they introduce themselves, and know something of their tactics from what survivors told her, but there is no real way El Aurians could know how long the borg have existed.
Simply put saying the borg were hundreds of thousands of years old was likely just a part of the story that was blown out of proportion and possibly entirely made up. At any rate, it's never confirmed so I'd take it with a grain of salt
+Jarsia Yeah, I believe you're correct in regards to the canon reference. The reason I mentioned otherwise was to emphasize the hypothesis that the current Borg we see may just be the latest recurrence of a cybernetic species, mostly to reconcile them with novels like "Probe." But I agree that there's not much canon evidence to back it up, it's just an interesting idea to me.
I love Alien Species especially from Star Trek, well done!
Jacen Starhunter learn about the real ones and quit living in bullshitville
@@jecrpalier He can do what he wants, unlike you..
Now finish cleaning that hobbit hole...aka: Your Mom's basement..
One interesting tie in between TOS episodes is that of the Preservers and Sargon's people both be possible Vulcanoid species and possibly being the same species.
Nicely done. That was much work you did there. anim8orkid. Thanks!
What about the iconians?
I think this is excellent. Id been waiting for something like this for a while. I'd like a 2nd installment of and more indepth and itemized of the same
How could anybody not see the animated series of TOS as canon? It was amazing!
One of the biggest problems with it is that Larry Niven was one of the writers, and he borrowed heavily from his own literary universe, 'Known Space', including incorporating several races that are now canon to two different IP's.
@@marktaylor6553couldn't that just mean that both IP's have a shared universe?
@@Deathingerman Shared 'multiverse', perhaps. Niven's Ringworld series (his most popular) did originally take place around the same time period as current-era Picard. So it could make some sense that the two are 'mirror universes' (alternate timelines?) of one another.
There's a theory that the Thollians are 'aware' of their other selves in other universes, and may have even come from a different one. So why not big, angry catfolk? Plus, its (beta?)canon that the Kzin (along with like at least six other feline-ish species) are all interrelated, so its easy to say the main ST universe's catfolk went down a different path (like an interstellar civil war).
In fact, in some fan-stuff I've written, I have it where all the catfolk groups were actually part of the Vegan Tyranny, which dissolved just prior to humans developing advanced technology (it existed in the same local space as the Federation's 'core', and its existence is canon). Plus, saying the 'Vegan' Tyranny were a group of savage carnivores is just funny as hell. 😁
Your video is a beautiful reminder to what makes Star Trek special..."it's universe, unlike Star Wars, still has mystery and it feels big and undiscovered; where as, the Star Wars universe feels dense and like clusters of crowded neighborhoods...lacking the mystery of a big undiscovered space."
-Aaron
Thanks for hard work put into this video Star Trek history lesson.
Putting your own words in quotes is pretentious as fuck.
did you just sign your own post? lmao
This was beautiful. I left this world years ago, truly Amazing how it’s grown
I wonder if it was just coincidence that the same actress that played the recorded Ancient Humanoid also played as the Female Changeling.
Also I still can't believe the Voyager writers made the Native Americans the descendants of aliens. I was hoping I'd forget that for the rest of my life.
All Ancient Earth civilizations have stories of beings coming from the sky.
Native Americans
Chinese
Egyptians
Ect.
Coincidence?
Native Americans weren't descendants of aliens, just the insensitive made up version of their culture mainly preserved by one tribe but obviously influencing the idea of nature=good in the 90's white guy interpretation of the concept of native tribes and their cultures/beliefs.. the aliens met some humans in the cold north as they migrated over and taught them some things, so like you know, totally legit, don't look behind the curtain at the fake cultural consultant they hired.
@@MintyFarts The cultural consultant you're referring to was hired when developing a TNG episode, and may have consulted during the development and casting of Voyager, but he didn't work on the show itself, or the episode being referenced here, and the episode in question only says that some aliens made contact with some fictional central American tribe at some point in history, and became part of their mythology.
They've done this over and over in all the Star Trek shows. I don't see what you're so offended about.
@@histguy101 this guy was hired for more than that and was proven to be a fraud.. he was pretending to be native american and feeding them wrong info. They tried to do the right thing and got burned but were also trying to use someone else's culture for e entertainment like a show piece.. that doesnt hit you wrong?
@@MintyFartsThen show me what episode he's credited on. He claimed to have served as a consultant around 1993 on the season 6 or 7 TNG episode about native Americans in the neutral zone. He may or may not have served as a consultant on Voyager during its very early stages of development. He's not credited on any episode, meaning he had no part in producing any Voyager stories, including the season 2 episode in question. All other technical advisors are always credited, as they have to be.
So if I was a Greek should I be angry about "Who mourns for Adonis?" or "Plato's Stepchildren"? or the Preservers in "The Paradise Syndrome," or the alien in "The Muse" that is the real credit behind a bunch of great writers. Then there's various episodes about aliens "seeding" man on earth. I believe the animated series had several episodes about "ancient earth contact/seeding/aliens mistaken for gods" It's practically a Star Trek trope
ONE OF THEEE BEST time lines I've seen, heard or read nice job !
I agree!!! The galactic timeline here is also a great outline, or rough sketch, for a great movie or series, to be fleshed out, that reads like a survey of galactic life, with small but compact and fairly complete cameos of each race and empire. It would be "fascinating" to watch and about 100,000,000,000% better than the "superhero" crap that passes for sci fi movies today!! Fabulous work anyway as it is.
Truly fascinating. I'm gonna be coming back to this video.
Some great work put into your videos, I really appreciate it, as I've just found you and am now going through your library I find your level of research into the subject to be fascinating and well done thank you.
Nexians are briefly mentioned and referenced in a small short lore upon some magazine articles and in fan fiction. According to that lore they were a species from with internal cybernetic implants that escaped the collaspe of their dying universe. They are depicted as anthropomorphic and may have been responsible for some of Ancient Egypt's dog or cat like gods. Their eyes are enhanced and their personality is aggressive yet caring. It is said they accidently found themselves on Earth with various crashed vessles after crossing the threshhold of both universes. Beaten and battered, they encountered humans for the first time whom mistakened them as gods and began to teach them over a long period of time. Eventuallh they were able to leave Earth and venture out to an unknown destination. I always found this species so interesting, because the lore ties itself in with Human Civilization. Furthermore, throughout the Star Trek franchise there are species that may have been Nexian decendents that may have evolved into several different animal like species which would validate the lore.
This vid is well done, keep up the great work.
Very helpful, thanks for pulling all this together.
You, my friend, are a way for the TREK Universe to know it self!
Man, I sure wish I could see a miniseries or film about a borg origin story.
+Derik De Baun I've got a video planned for next year where I explore some of the lore behind that.
Rumor has it they want to make an anthology tv series at some point so who knows...we might see that
You can read the Destiny trilogy of novels.
probable origin = Elon Musks Neuralink . . .
The borg started on a planet in the delta quadrant. A female scientist created the nanites then she went crazy when her people tried to stop her. She released the nanites on her planet and became the first queen of the borg.
Well done. Thank you for outlining all of this!
This is one of my favorite videos. Thank you for you hard work
05:05 How does a race beings leave a solar system let alone a quadrant of a galaxy without being sentient?
Flielow I caught that too. How does a species manage to leave their planet if they haven’t evolved enough to even know who they are.
@@8698gil Just a theory to go along with this theory, but perhaps they were sent/taken by another, more advanced species . . . but otherwise, iunno. lol
@@-zeer0
They were.
Especially since a living being can't NOT be sentient. SAPIENT, however, is another question.
My thoughts exactly.
Did I miss it, or was there no mention of the civilization that Sargon, Thelassa, and Henock were from (“Return to Tomorrow”) and the cataclysmic war that led to their preservation in the orbs awaiting until Kirk and company arrive. And what about the civilization that was behind the woman on the episode “That Which Survives”?
I noticed the same exact things. Sargon’s species was awesome, and the lore in that episode was made out to be significant.
I actually just released a video where I touch on Sargon's civilization in a little more detail: czcams.com/video/xGYBBXrvWDs/video.html
I wonder how that machine race briefly seen in Picard fits in 🤔
maybe they're related to the silicon based race he mentioned
What a undertaking to have compiled all of this info must have been, well done!
@@subraxas thank you
wow, i learned a lot. great job! the research you did must have taken a bit of work. i think this is the first video i've seen of ancient people in the star trek universe. keep up the good work.
In the episode that featured Apollo it's made clear that he wasn't the only surviving member of his people since at the end he calls them by name and goes back to them.
I prefer "live long and prosper" over "may the force be with you"
Dude this is amazing. You got yourself a new subscriber here.
Great video, love the threading together of Star Trek universe prehistory. I also like that FASA's Star Trek RPG source material was used, as I have that material in my possession, in storage. I even made my own "historical" maps of the galaxy based off of the map found in the Star Fleet Technical Manual, which I prefer over the others made today.
I can't even tell you how much I learned from this. Generally speaking I wear nothing and it's just a rehash. You sir are an amazing knowledge base Four Star Trek information. This video has me subbing to you and I look forward to more.
You should really wear something.
Lol jk
Patreon does not accept Latium, but I gave a thumbs up anyway.
I enjoyed that quite a bit, thank you for making it
8:53 that music! That music! Dreksler Astral uses that piece in many his videos. Loooooove Dreksler Astral. This is an amazing video. Mind totally blown. Thank you 🙏
Wait, what about the first federation of the corbomite maneuver ?
+Curas1 Can't believe I left them out! One source says they originate from the Perseus Arm of the galaxy and fought with the Orion about 35,000 years ago, and another says they originated in local space around 12,000 years ago.
anim8orkid
I been going over the tos episodes and I always wondered what the older races were like togather.
I just think was this powerful alien a older civilization, was that ?
The metrons from arena and the lava creatures from the savage curtian come to mind also.
In fact many powerful tos aliens do.
+Curas1 Yeah I wonder that too. Especially when it comes to the Sargonians or any of the other ones that are supposed to have had a vast galactic empire. But I guess when it comes to the massive timescales of the ancient past, it's not too inconceivable--especially since we've only seen the Federation, as big as it is, on screen for roughly 200 years of its history.
@@OrangeRiver Right, but never the less a tour de force work, thanks so much!! Live long and... you know the rest! LOL.
anim8orkid also what about Sargon’s species from the og series episode “Return to Tomorrow”?
The Iconians created an AI that is the ancestors of the Borg and the synthetics in Picard. They were destroyed by the war faction that became the Borg. The synths seek to be more like their creators through imitation, the Borg through continuous evolution using a Frankenstein-esc method to become perfect.
Wait, so the borg started as A.I?
Why would A.I would be more like us, it makes no sense, the inverse route would be my default assemption.
Love this video, could easily be a history class lecture.
3:28 Liked and subbed for using "apocryphal"! Everyone uses the term 'canon', but too few recognize the middle ground between canon and non-canon that apocrypha content provides and your video is the first time I've heard someone who wasn't me use the term. :)
Hi, this is a great video thanks for making it. It's so thorough, with a meticulous attention to detail and I love that you draw on multiple sources. Are they any stories in the distant future where the federation is an ancient civilisation.
There are some stories to that effect, some of which I might explore in a future video where I continue to discuss Federation history. First though I've got to respond to all these requests for a Borg video!
@@OrangeRiver I have an idea for a video could you talk about the sonic School driver from Doctor Who how it works and and do you think that we will have our own real Sonic School drivers in the next 50 years
I'm banking that was the real purpose of STTOS mission. New life and OLD civilizations.
The Hirogen had that level of space tech while we were still banging stones together?! Woah...
Thanks, back stories are always helpful .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the suicidal Q was popping around with voyager hiding from OG Q, didn't they briefly visit the pre Big Bang
Yep.
Did they?!?! How did the show picture it? Just empy space?
It was very scientifically inaccurate.
@@irishprice There is no "space" pre-BigBang. Just nothingness. So real easy to show on TV... ;)
But there was nothing, neither time nor space, before then, so they couldn't have 'visited' it, in any way. Bogus episode.
The one thing I'd have added was the Vadwaar (spelling???) from Voyager and their creation of underspace.
What is underspace?
Sub-space corridors. But not the same as what warp ships travel through. They get ya to your destination alot faster than traveling at warp.
These corridors were the key to the borg really gaining traction
@@donaldjuan1729 Right, the Borg teamed up with the Warner to make great 4 speed transmissions in old Ford Mustang vehicles. Man could you get some "traction" with those!! I know, I had a 1970 Mustang! :D
Handy to see the data so assembled. Thanks.
This is very interesting. I never knew about most of this. I kind of heard of references of this but never knew directly.
Such a shame. Star Trek has one of the richest sources of lore in sci-fi and we end up with Kirk fighting aliens on a motocross bike.
Because JJ Abrams couldn't even sit through the original series. Let alone be bothered to watch the whole show, read all the books and double check with Okuda.
Amen. The JJverse is NOT Star Trek. Not the Star Trek that Roddenberry envisioned. Star Trek, IMO, died with Enterprise.
Which is still awesome.
It's rich but it was never perfect. Plenty of plot holes and comedically incorrect science. Also note the movies need to draw in a more diverse audience.
JJ Ambrams was a huge fan and watched every episode. Trump also graduated college. Studying something does not make you good at that something.
JJ Ambrams was given an impossible task between a rock and a hard place and was expected to reboot the series from it's butt fuck boring series to a kick ass TV Show for modern audiences.
It was destined to fail. Now you guy's get no star trek, ever again! Everyone is happy!
I think it's funny how the reigns of various galactic powers get shorter as they get closer to the current time period. Almost as if having nuanced galactic powers as detailed as recent events over billions of years would be too difficult to formulate
It is reasonable to assume that for a lot of this history, but not all of it, there were other civilisations popping in and out of existence, lasting hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands of years. It is just that the Federation has never found any evidence of them (or at least, the Enterprises, DS9 crew and Voyager have never found evidence of them).
The other thing to remember is that in the early galaxy, there were very few races competing for control, and so founding an empire was far easier than in the current galaxy which is full of humanoid sentient's, all expanding their influence at once.
Probably due to increading competition
@@Blackwing2007 right like the Early earth, a small human population compared to today with billions. Space is big!! And as Uhuru once said to Scotty when he was searching for lost ship mates, as temporary commander of the Enterprise: "it's a big galaxy Mr. Scott"!, and he said: "Aye"!!
I never realized just how many different species the Star Trek franchise had created, or busy space must be, till now.
Who among us expected any of our favorite nerds to grow up and use their childhood book reports as a full time job? This has to be the most inspiring case of "that TV is gonna rot your brain" I've beheld in all my years.
This is a well-researched video, congrats. Too bad the writers don't rely more on fandom for keeping track of all the info. As far as I can perceive, the writers mostly create something to serve a specific part of the plot, and forget/discard that info later. Then..... the fans get the impossible task of gathering all those random bits and pieces trying to create a cohesive whole. As if it was something well thought, well planned in the long term, which it wasn't. It seems to me that in the 1980s and 1990s there was some semblance of coherence among the story lines, although not enough to avoid countless plot holes.
The Orville needs a complex canon like this.
If they have enough seasons, they can certainly build just as impressive a canon as Trek--I think they're on the way there, so it'll be interesting to see how far they can go!
This was well thought out. THANKS!
Thanks, these lore videos help me sharpen my world building skills.
what about the El-Aurians? i would have thought they were such an old lived race and huge travelers wouldn't they have something before the Borg destroyed their world?
I have always wondered what species 0000 was originally.
my favorite ever piece of star trek lore was the episode of st:enterprise where they find a bunch of old timey humans. for some reason im really enthralled by the concept of finding your race on a random planet far away from where you came from, completely isolated and stuck in time. what if someday some guys on a spaceship with laser guns came down and said "yeah actually you're like a few light-years from where you evolved and you're also very unevolved."
We now have a new star trek series giving us another window into the past. Supposedly 200,000 years ago, a race of artificial life toppled an ancient civilization. Supposedly the Iconian Empire.
Ok, where are you getting all these maps from? I'd love to see more!
+Rian Dalton I made 'em myself. I just might post them somewhere...just keep an eye out on my social media, links on my channel page!
anim8orkid oh wow! That's impressive considering how close they resemble the Stellar Cartography Star Trek map: startrekmap.com
I love that site and use it for reference ALL THE TIME, so seeing it in that style blew me away.
+Rian Dalton Thanks! That's my inspiration.
anim8orkid I LOVE maps, both RL and fictional, but Star Trek cartography really takes it to a new level. Can't wait to see what you do
@@OrangeRiver Nice, I'd like them as wall paper. No, not for my computer! I mean actual wall paper (glow in the dark kind) for my den walls! :D
Imagine if in our real universe we're the "Ancient Ones" and are the first sentient beings in the galaxy. That would be a good explanation to the Fermi Paradox.
DJSbros Or it could be the other way around too..what if we might be late to the party? That might explain the prymids and other stuff like that.
pyramids were built by humans using physics and brute force
Adrian McAlmont yeah pyramids really aren't that big of a mystery theres way weirder stuff like the antikythera mechanism but even that isn't that outlandish if you knew the tech the ancient Greeks and Egyptians pulled off
Pretty much the Red Dwarf scenario. We are all alone...
Not according to the Sumarians.
Cool info. Nice timeline. Thank you!
I love all your thorough research
great video - however I am wondering when the beings that left behind Armus in the TNG episode 'Skin of Evil' existed and where they went. Also, the beings or race to which Nagilum belonged, as well as 'God' or the ship in 'Justice'. And, last but not least, the Dowd(?), in the episode 'Survivors' - one more: the 'Hus-nacht'? that Kevin Uxbridge recreates, what is their story?
I thought Armus may be related to the aliens of "Who Mourns for Adonais."
Good point. The brings who left Armus behind need further exploring some time
Thanks for using my footage!
Very informative. Thank you for sharing this.
I am a bit late to the party I know, this is an excellent time line, well done! I see in some of the comments you missed a few civilizations like the First Federation. I did not see any mention of the Kalandons (sp) eithrer which were featured in STOS episode "That which survives". Lee Meriwether's (Losira) hotness in that episode surely deserves a bit of recognition!
Cheers!
I agree with you. Ashame a virus wiped out their entire civilization created when they built that Outpost Lorisa was stationed.
What about Sargon's race, from "Return to Tomorrow"? The episode suggested THEY seeded the galaxy with humanoid life.
Sargons race was perhaps part of the progenitors race
@@sandyemccleskey9996 - Perhaps.
Sandye McCleskey no. Sargon's race is old but not as old as the original progenitors, there's billions of years between the 2 races.
I actually just released a video where I touch on Sargon's civilization in a little more detail: czcams.com/video/xGYBBXrvWDs/video.html
@@OrangeRiver - Thanks, Orange! That was very enlightening!
It looks as though a lot happens rapidly toward the end. Just as many civilizations came and went earlier as well. It's just that it's a function of history that we know the most about the time nearest our time and the least the further back you go. There are endless civilizations and stories to be discovered. Mostly because almost all of this is based on one galaxy out of billions.
this video was fire ! thx for the research
Loved it....keep up the good work!
Where would the Dyson Sphere from the TNG episode come in?
It wouldn't. Other than allowing the extended lifespan of a scottish engineer, it's had virtually no impact on Federation continuity, ideas, technology or whatever. for all intents and purposes, it was a complete waste of time.
Stephen Patterson the Sphere itself didn’t expand his life. It was what led to Scotty jury rigging the transporter in a loop to preserve his patten. Any emergency could have been thought up. The sphere was likely derived from wacky theories of a hollow earth with a star inside of our core and a whole civilization living inside our planet.
The Sphere wasn't derived from that at all. Freemon Dyson postulated that a sufficently advanced species could build a massive sphere around their inner solar system in order to capture 100% of their sun's energy and also build habitats on the interior of that sphere for a large population. It would take a type 2 or 3 species (or more) to do that, though, technology wise.
Haven't played it but read some notes about how in Start Trek online, the Dyson sphere(s) become contested and major plot points because of efforts to reverse engineer the tech.
casbott On something that he missed with STO, the Dyson Sphere is ancient Iconian tech, and there are more than one.
and this is just one galaxy out of an estimated 100 BILLION
The movement of galactic history is immense.
Great work. Though I was hoping you would cover some of the ancient civilizations found in the stories in more depth.
Nothing says the Voth was not sentient when they left earth, that's pure speculation. It was heavily implied they left earth on their own. Although it was never confirmed as fact.
Also no mention of the wormhole aliens who are one of the most influential races in star trek.
Considering the state of things on Earth at that time it's highly unlikely they were at a point to construct anything interstellar...
@@johnroscoe2406 If your talking about real life, no I don't think dinosaurs built space ships. However this is star trek and science fiction. In the episode "distant origin" Chokotay and Gagen theorized that the Voth didn't occupy the entire planet but lived on a single continent that was now either buried beneath the earth or under the ocean. That they built star ships and left the planet when disaster struck implying the time of the asteroid strike 65 million years ago. This doesn't seem far fetched story was as the space faring Voth history dates back at least 20 million years.
@@Bitchslapper316 I'm saying the geological and meteorological state of the Earth was not conducive towards a society that could undertake such projects.
@@johnroscoe2406 Again, your talking about reality and comparing it star trek. This is star trek, it's science fiction and we are talking about sentient, intelligent dinosaurs building space ships within that scifi universe.
We are going off of what we were shown and told on screen which was that these specific dinosaurs built ships and fled earth.
@@Bitchslapper316 But it doesn't explicity say that in the VOY episode you are referring to. Jesus Christ dude why are you obsessing so much? This isn't life or death. This isn't important at all.
Just an amazing presentation you definitely did your homework. But I have one question and it's the only one the Hrowgin and the relay communication stations I don't believe they were the builders ?
+Sam McDonald You're right that there is nothing in canon to confirm that they were the builders. However in the Star Trek - New Worlds and New Civilizations short story "The Hunted" and the Star Trek Encyclopedia it is stated they did build it after first encountering the Borg, though this doesn't exactly line up with the timeline of Delta Quadrant history featured in Voyager, thus it is just speculation. Glad you enjoyed the video!
anim8orkid . It's just an amazing piece of work . I watched it three times now. The depth and scope of canon in all of this is so extensive why anyone would even consider going outside of what I would call the establish norms is beyond me.
This was brilliant. Really enjoyed this
Thank you so much! And thanks for subscribing!
This was really good. Thank you.
You have the black cluster forming 12.9 billion years ago. But the episode dialogue says it formed nine billion years ago.
+Graham Kennedy Ah, thank you. I have no idea why I did that. Too bad youtube doesn't have annotations anymore
@@OrangeRiver funny how these guys nit pick details of a purely fantastical construct. Tells you a lot about what galaxy they are living in! LOL.
You're using the soundtrack from Barotrauma.... no wonder I kept expecting someone to implant me with a larva
Very cool presentation. And your research is spot on! I hope we evolve to place where all the people of Earth can live in peace without war, prejudice, and hate.
In Star Trek they frequently come about interesting tech, for example the archive at 4:38, the planet from an extinct species that sold advanced weapon systems, the weapons platforms manned by androids that was explored by Voyager and from which Belana picked up an android to repair, then there are the mirror universes. We never see any development of this recovered tech. It would be interesting at one point to have a ship built that used a lot of this recovered tech where they made efforts to make the different tech work together. It would be interesting to see section 31 units make discrete temporal incursions in order to investigate vanished civilizations to see if any useful information about the past can be obtained as well as ancient technologies.
Yeah I never understood why they didnt... even borg tech would be helpful...
Fun and interesting! I've never really followed the non canonical sources or the novels although I did a school book report on the novel "Spock messiah" when I was a kid loll
For the most part I just stuck with all the TV series and movies. There are some good fan supported movies out there also.
God Bless
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I was thinking about the Founders and how they tend to be very subversive with their words. It's entirely possible they are embellishing the story of the Founding of the Dominion somewhat. Perhaps themselves meaning that is the time their species formed a globalized society, or when they reached their peak evolution. I say this because they always seemed to have a weird bone to pick with the Federation. Like they probably secretly admire certain aspects of the Federation. They are also incredibly prideful, and anything making them appear as "less than" others has always been downplayed by them. It stands to reason they'd "up-play" their own achievements in kind. Though generally speaking, The Dominion has shown itself more than capable of putting the money where their mouth is.
Great video! Very well researched!! I was kind of hoping I'd see the travellers from Tau Alpha C in here somewhere too.
Me too
That’s insane dude. Love the video.
I just have to wonder how long this took to produce.
And remind me to never play Star Trek Trivia with you.