Best PLA for 3D Printed Airless Basketball - Flex PLA or Super PLA+? Surprising results!
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In this video, we tested flexible PLA vs. Super PLA+ to see which of these PLAs would make a better 3D-printed airless basketball. The basketballs were printed with the same settings for comparison, and the results were surprising after seeing other videos on CZcams. We have many more 3D printing videos coming out, so be sure to subscribe to the channel so you don’t miss out on any future videos! Also, if you want to support the channel and have commercial licenses for our files, please consider joining our Patreon: / makeitlab
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Link to STL file for the airless basketball: www.thingiverse.com/thing:604...
Link to the white flexible PLA filament used in the video: www.amazon.com/dp/B09TG6VF8R?...
Link to the Super PLA+ filament used in the video: www.amazon.com/OVERTURE-Filam...
Printer settings/info:
Printer: Bambu Lab P1S
Temperature: 220C
Speed: 200 mm/s
Walls: 3 (I would probably use more walls)
Infill: 15% gyroid infill (I would probably go higher %)
Support settings: I had to block supports at the top and paint them on the bottom using Bambu Studio, then I used normal (manual) supports.
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What should we try next?
Try PC-ABS from polymaker, it is extremely impact resistant and not too stiff.
@@riba2233 might have to give that a shot - thanks!
@@makeitlabchannel awesome, hopefully it bounces :D
The correct filament for this task is PEBA, nothing else even comes close.
@@hot_wheelz ok, I will check it out, thanks
I learned something new: people still upload to Thingiverse 😂
Right? Lol
It's what I use that or cults idk any other good stl sites specially with free files
what are good sites for stl files?
@@byakuzac are you referring to airless basketball files or just for all kinds of files?
@@makeitlabchannel all types i usually use thingiverse but i want to know if theres a better option
Nice one, I watched uncle Jesse do this last week with many different prints and a print with some rubber goo added looked pretty promising! I’m waiting to see which filament is the definitive best one before I set a print for three days 🙈
I watched that video too, and I am very surprised that his flex PLA didn't bounce better. But coating the Super PLA+ looks promising - waiting for him to do that as well 😁
I print my Overture Super PLA+ on my Bambu P1S using a custom profile at 240C and it made a pretty significant improvement in the durability of the prints due to better layer adhesion
Oh might have to try that!
@@makeitlabchannel I print most of my Overture PLA at that higher temperature now with excellent results.
I just printed a ball like this yesterday in PLA but smaller. I know PLA won't bounce so I never even tried but it looks so cool.
Oh nice! Yeah I really liked the look of the PLA+ ball, might have to print another just for looks
I printer from regular PLA in a smaller size and it bounces really well. The issue is that is shattered after a few bounces.
That is Some really good print quality it looks like a one-to-one replica of that $2000 3-D printed one that you can buy. I guess they forgot bamboo that was a thing
Yeah I am always blown away by the quality of the Bambu printers - it is hard using my Enders now lol
Can you upload your 3mf? Wanting to print this but i have no idea what infill percentage to use/where to set supportblockers to get the same result you got
Yeah I can get that to you - don't know if I can upload it to CZcams, but I can send it to you through email if you send me an email at makeitlabchannel@gmail.com
Please try atomicfilaments impact modified v2 pla+. It’s supposedly is less stiff than pla and more durable against impact.
Also when is your next video testing out more filaments? I’m so excited!
Hey there, I will add the modified v2 pla+ filament to the list 😁 I haven't received some of the filaments in the mail yet, so the first video to come out (hopefully next week) will be coating PLA basketballs with plastic dips, but once I get all of the filament/test/troubleshoot, I will print them out and post a video. So probably a couple of weeks unfortunately😕
@@makeitlabchannel ok, sweet. Maybe if you get some of the filaments you could also just do 2 parts. There are quite a few filaments that people want you to test, so it might work to just do the first few filaments you get in part 1 and the rest in part 2.
@@ScaleToTheWire yeah that is a good point, I will try and break it up into parts as I get the filament. One of the filaments I wanted to try was PEBA, but it is back ordered until late April at the earliest 😐
Just commented on one of your other videos. I've seen a semi close up shot of the Wilson ball and it's not a solid honeycomb. It's 2 layers with struts from every corner of the honeycomb shape connecting the 2 layers together. I wonder if their design has something to do with it's durability. Maybe a revised model closer to theirs would hold up better, maybe even bounce better.
I agree, I think the model used to print is definitely worth experimenting with to see which one is best.
Yes, this. The internal structure is important both to function and durability.
@@makeitlabchannelI would think that the two layers would be two different materials in a cubic lattice structure. The outer shell made of something tough and grippy (is Flex PLA tough?), the inner structure made of something like NinjaTek Edge (NTE), a TPE material of some sort. I am not sure how well that would hold up on its own, but worth a try as a single material too.
@@ManjaroBlack great suggestions 😁
Ive seen so many comments say for people to use peba and have yet to see results or anyone else including uncle jesse do more testing with the gloop cuz that was legit amazing results and if tested out for 500+ plus bounces and stuff it could just easily he spray painted or airbrushed and done properly where youd nvr even know
Yeah I am getting PEBA in this week so I will be giving that a shot, and when the larger 3d gloop containers come in I will give that a try as well!
Try to make the flex pla print slightly thicker to match a basketball's bounce responsiveness more if you know what i mean/ trying to coat it in something like rubber or smthg similar could also increase durability and maybe make it grippier
For the rubber im thinking just a slight coating just like the super glue cover i saw in another video which does have a slight rubbery/ plastic feel
Great suggestions 😁
Maybe try spraying it with that Flex Seal spray. Or Plasti Dip spray. Both are a rubberized coating you can spray on. Even better if you tried both and compared the two.
Funny you mentioned both of those, as I just bought both of them earlier but in the liquid form to coat them instead of the spray, although the spray might actually coat more even
What filament setting did you choose for the flex pla... In bambu
I just used a generic PLA profile, and I added the main settings that I have in the description (220C, 200 mm/s, 3 walls, 15% gyroid infill, normal supports only on bottom).
Having a problem with using Flashforge Flex PLA with my X1C. I've dried it for about 30 hours and it still clogs up in the extruder. Any tips or tricks at all? Been trying to troubleshoot this for about a month or so and have no came to a conclusion. Print looks awesome btw. Thanks
Thanks! Oh interesting, I didn't know flashforge made flex PLA. What temp/speed are you printing it at? I just used a generic PLA profile and printed mine at 220C and 200 mm/s.
@@makeitlabchannel I’ve been using 220C for temp. Where are you turning the print speed to 200mm/s. There are 100000 different speed settings in Bambu slicer and I’m never sure which one is the correct one. This is going to be huge if you could help me.
@@smoove8124 If it would be easiest I can send you a 3mf with my settings, just send me an email at makeitlabchannel@gmail.com if you want. but for the 200 mm/s I am referring to the "outer wall" speed on "other layers speed" section of the speed settings. My inner wall speed is actually 300 mm/s, and the rest of the speed settings are between 200 and 300
Were you able to print the ball with one spool? Looks like so much filament
With the settings I used it was about 740 grams of filament, so it was definitely a lot but wasn't a whole roll. Might print a mini version or something with the extra
what brand of of PLA did you used in the video?
For the flex PLA, it was ATARAXIA ART Flexible PLA, and I used Overture Super PLA+ For the other filament. There is a link to each PLA in the description of the video if you are interested.
You need add special power based on industry said unspecific
Also this is kinda dumb i have the x1 carbon and I don’t know how to change the settings. Can you tell me how
Do you have a computer that can install Bambu Studio? That is where I change all of my settings. I won't be much help at all with Bambu Handy as I have never used it before.
hey brother can you please share me the the deadpool file ..please.. love from bangladesh
What was the print time and what scale did you print it at?
Print time at 200 mm/s was about a day and a half, and the scale was 102.57% of the original model
Did you have trouble with no support for top?
With the hard plastics it seems to print with no problems, but the flex PLA struggled a bit, but it has also pulled through each time. All of the cracks/breaks that formed on the balls was along the middle layer lines, never on the top so I think it works well enough
Do they weigh the same as a basketball or are they lighter.
Just weighed them, and they are heavier than a real basketball. Real basketball was about 535 grams, and the printed balls were about 617 grams (flex PLA) and 694 grams (super PLA+)
Would love to see this printed in PEBA
Might just have to try that 😁
Wouldn't TPU or TPE be better for this?
Yes it would, and those types of filaments will be what I focus on moving forward. I have 98A TPU, carbon fiber TPU, and PEBA coming up 😁
What even is flex pla? What additive is it? And is it hygroscopic like tpu?
flex PLA is a PLA filament made by Ataraxia art (that is the only company I can find that currently makes it). They said that they "used quality essential raw materials derived from starch or corn, to make our 3d printer Flexible pla filament", so it sounds like it is PLA mixed with some additives. Based on reviews, people said it is very hygroscopic. Link is here: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B099QZB4ZT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
ok so to cut through the bs, it's just pla mixed with tpu pellets @@makeitlabchannel
@@jme2006 Yeah based on what I read that sounds correct.
are you using a .6 or .4 nozzle
Used a .4, the instructions for the filament says to use .6 though. Might be worth a try
My print with flex PLA has 5 minutes left! I am going to test it and see how my idea does.
Awesome! Hope it does well!
@@makeitlabchannel well… it bounces… so far
For one that is 3 inches what would be better
I would say probably the Super PLA+, if you have seen Uncle Jesse's video the smaller sized balls work well with the super PLA+ and they looked/bounced great. Both would probably work though
by flexible pla do you mean tpu ?
Actually there is a company that makes flexible PLA - it is more rigid than most TPUs and it prints very similar to regular PLA: www.amazon.com/dp/B09TG6VF8R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
@@makeitlabchannel ah ok thanks, sadly doesn't look like i can buy it in the UK, just says Currently unavailable :(
@@zZ-Wipeout-Zz oh dang, I don't know if there is another company that makes that right now. They have almost doubled their price since I bought it though
What if u mixed them up
Well that is one reason I kept one black and one white but it is definitely still possible
that black super pla+ sounds like a huge pingpong ball lmao
Haha, maybe I should print a really small one and play ping pong with it lol
@@makeitlabchannel true, ive seen an airlessnpingpomg ball before
Why not tpu
The big reason is I have watched a lot of other videos where people used tpu, and it looks like it might be too soft of a material for a good bounce compared to the others I used. There are different TPUs out there so maybe a specific kind could work
For the life of me I cannot get Ataraxia FPLA to play nice with 8 days of 4+ failed prints between .4 and .6 nozzles T_T
Oh no, sorry to hear it! What printer are you printing on? Does it look like clogging or adhesion issues?
@@makeitlabchannel
220C, 12mm^3/s clogged by 2nd layer LOL (default generic PLA settings)
220C, 3.6mm^3/s, no retraction clogged at 48H! (TPU profile)
205C, no enclosure, 3.2mm^3/s no retraction clogged at 30H!
.6 nozzle 200C no enclosure 2mm^3/s clogged at 10H. I thought .6 was supposed to be the anti-clog GOAT!
Currently trying an attempt with .6nozzle 230C, 1mm retraction, 2mm^3/s 4.5day print.
I'm at my wits end, but im too stubborn to quit. could you send me your sliced file or at least share your fpla settings? Im using a bambu p1s
@@Mettleh3d Yeah I would be happy to send over a 3mf, a P1S is what I used as well. If you email me at makeitlabchannel@gmail.com I can send it over
@@makeitlabchannel thanks! Ill let you know if I've any luck with it 😅
Spray it with plastic paint. Maybe that would help.
Good idea!
Coat it with 3d Gloop!
and maybe flex seal to give it a rubber like feel and maybe enhance bounciness?
@@josedelagarza8460 Both great ideas!
Coat it with flubber spray!!
Oh man if I could I would for sure. I did try and look into how I could coat it with some sort of DIY bouncy ball recipe lol
It's okay, the real thing also has cracks. I'm not even joking