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- Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman debate whether they would rather have Kobe Bryant in his prime or Shaquille O’Neal in his prime.
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ESPN: "Who was better in their prime: Shaq or Kobe?"
Paul Pierce: "That's Easy! I say me!"
The Truth never telling the truth 😂😂
Jordan Davis 😂😂😂😂
Jordan Davis 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😩
Jordan Davis 😂😂😂😂😂
kobe was working out in the gym while shaq ordered the same shit big smoke ordered and ate it in the locker room
Detastic! 🤣🤣
And still out score kobe
Lmaooooo
Then score and impact the game better than Kobe
Bacon Le Skiiwalker sure dummy
So Shaq doesn't want Kobe to talk about his work ethic yet Shaq talks about Dwight's work ethic...
W
Derek Lowe it’s funny you bring that up? How old was Kobe and scoring 20+Ppg. Prime Kobe and prime shaq together Kobe would win 2 of those finals mvp
RSMDW and you thinking shaq winning finals mvp over a prime Kobe is hearsay
RSMDW here’s my question to you. If dwade and Kobe switched spots would shaq be mvp or Kobe? You saying hearsay is bullshit say. 2004 Kobe would have won mvp that year it was a proven fact and he was only 22 so your brain stop being a idiot. It’s not that it’s a fact it’s just common sense if 20-22 year old did what Kobe did with shaq, you don’t think prime Kobe who averaged 35 a game wouldn’t do even more damage?
RSMDW and it’s funny how when shaq left Kobe won not 1 like shaq did but two and went to 3 consecutive finals... FUNNY.
I still want to know how nash got more MVPs than Kobe 😂
You know
He was robbed of one
@@flyofchange lol what a hater, yeah I know nash was extremely good but kobe was robbed of one not two just one
how kobe was robbed..?? nash led his team to the best record while putting up numbers... kobe on the other hand led his team to an 8th seed enough said clearly nash deserve the mvp
@@Rambo20244 with smush parker and kwame brown and luke walton on his team😂 and still took them to 7 games
Wow Dwight seems like he really is trying to change by avoiding a argument 👌
He has for the most avoided conflict
Brian
He’s always been like that from what I’ve seen. Shaq on the other hand is sensitive as hell.
One reason why Kobe called him soft
He has no choice but to avoid an argument because he would be on the losing end every time.
Because any argument against what Shaq and Kobe are saying about him (which wasn't stated, they're just calling him names) would make Dwight seem insecure.
It's not a situation that you can win via vlog post. Dwight has to win on the court in order to prove himself. Kobe will accept that, but Shaq is too petty...he will never approve of Dwight.
He wasn’t undisputed because of the media. The players in the league knew what was up with Kobe!
EXACTLY ‼️
De'Sean Suarez true
So sick of the media pretending like Kobe wasn't THAT GUY for year after year. They're a complete joke at this point.
1000%
Media was biased towards Kobe, they were in love with MJ. They couldnt let go when he retired.
Who’s better Lonzo or Kobe?
Max: Lonzo
I'm convinced Max's wife shouted out Kobe name during sex a few times the way he hates so hard.
Kobe ain’t trash, but damn he really was inefficient. Like who cares if you drop 40 or 60 if it was on 40 shot attempts. He literally has the most bricks in history!
We care about efficiency so much more now, so Kobe is judged differently than when he came to the league. The nba is a different place now, but he was still great.
@Daniel Martinez
The notion that Kobe is inefficient is completely false. This myth stems from Kobe’s “low” (not even) career FG% of 45%; however, there are several issues with using this as reasoning for Kobe being inefficient.
First of all, FG% isn't even an accurate way to measure scoring efficiency. It only accounts for shots made out of those that were attempted, which completely ignores 3pt% and free throw%. For this reason, true shooting % would be a much better way to determine whos "efficient" and who's not, because true shooting % takes multiple things into consideration.
Remember, Bryant's career Ts% of 56% isn't too far off of Michael Jordans 58%, and Jordan is NEVER considered inefficient
Efficiency isn't just shooting the ball, it's making the most of your possessions, and Bryant most definitely did that. Per possession, from '01-'10, Kobe produced 1.129 points. For some perspective, LeBron James produces just 1.137 for his career
Just something to think about, after the '04-05 season when new rules were implemented, Bryant from '06-'10 average 29.8 PPG on 57% TS, while LeBron James averaged 28 PPG on 57% TS. During this period of time, Kobe was just as efficient as LeBron at his peak, while also scoring at a higher volume!
And finally, here are the statistics that compare Kobe's efficiency to other players of his era:
League Average Shooting Percentages:
FG% = 45%
2PT% = 45% [FOR GUARDS]
3PT% = 35%
FT% = 75%
EFG% = 45%
TS% = 55%
Kobe Bryant Entire Career During Regular Season:
FG% = 45%
2PT% = 48%
3PT% = 33%
FT% = 84%
EFG% = 48%
TS% = 55%
Kobe Bryant Entire Career Post Season:
FG% = 45%
2PT% = 48%
3PT% = 33%
FT% = 82%
EFG% = 48%
TS% = 54%
With that being said, how was Bryant inefficient?
@@DannyPhantom1999 Lebron will have the most bricks in NBA history pretty quickly lmao just wait buddy
BALL IS LIFE I agree wholeheartedly! Kobe Bryant was amazing and the best at his profession for a long time. Kobe was a better shooter than Jordan with more range. Also Kobe was the best tough shot maker of all time. My comment about his efficiency was more about perception after his prime and injuries from his haters and weird Jordan defenders who need to push down Kobe. I always find it funny when fans try to push down others then pretend that their preferred players grew taller.
Gotta agree with Stephen. When Shaq fouled out, Kobe handled things.
Kobe handled things way before that
That was just one game in 00 finals. Shaq dominated the finals, while kobe avg 15.
obama is a Russian Puppet FeelTheBern and Kobe dominated the playoffs
X You not like Shaq though
Factz
Stephen A. think he’s slick with that nose wipe when talking about Dwight, like he’s on coke 😂
ON GOD I CAUGHT IT EARLY😂😂😂
🤣🤣
Yo chiiiill! lol
He looked a little sick.
Dwight Face has always been thin..ya gotta stop 🤦🏽♂️
Max changing Kobe History lmao..Kobe was better and was widely considered the best player for a wide stretch
Yeah that is why he is behind Shaq on every list. Shaq made players better, Kobe didn't
@@Tonyoung55 after he got Gasol lol. Stop it. There was a lot of years when a "prime Kobe" scores and his team did di shit. He even asked to be traded if he didn't get another star. Oh we forgot that huh.
@@leonarddoeman735 I guess bolting in free agency and playing with/needing 3 all stars including yourself just to go 2-2 is ok though right.
@@leonarddoeman735 you might've been born in 2010s, but Kobe was undeniably the best player in the league from 03/04-10/11ish. Every player in interviews (including LeBron, Shaq when they were beefing admitted it, etc.). You bringing up his team, I mean Kobe did play on possibly the worst team assembled (Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker) as a starting lineup. Plus, Pau Gasol was an All Star level player, but pre/post Kobe wasn't all that impressive (no hate). I mean he doesn't rank as a top 50 player, sadly, and was at times ranked outside of top 10 active players 09-10. Compare any teams from 08-10 to LeBron, KD, Curry, Duncan, etc. teams, talent wise way better than Kobe teams, but Kobe still got them there. Your argument of needing another star doesn't hold weight, as a majority every team needed a co-star to win (MJ/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, Kobe/Pau, Duncan/Parker/Manu/Kawhi, LeBron/Wade/Bosh, LeBron/Kyrie/Love, KD/Curry/Thompson/Green, etc.). And every player has been on some verge of leaving, Duncan almost left for Orlando, Dirk at a point pondered moving, etc. but those 2 along with Kobe stuck it out through tough times and found a way to win
@@samuraijack10 oh, so you aren't going to mentioned that Kobe wanted to be traded to. I dont think Duncan wanted to be traded. He was winning.
Max will take Smush Parker over Kobe if that means diminishing Kobe's legacy.
Smush parker was dunkin on niggas tho he wasnt trash smh.
dont forget kwame LOL
Kobe was shooting a worse percentage than his team. Even during the Smush Parker days.
What he said about Kobe was right tho. What did he say that was wrong?
@@kewltony Kobe shot 45% from 2 and 35% from 3 in 2005-06 and 46% from 2 and 34% from 3 the 2 seasons Smush was there. Not bad shooting at all
Max so between the years of 2004-2009 doesn't count??
those years do not compare to shaq from 94-02 not even close
jj he’s talking about kobe. That was Kobe’s prime 04-09
Jesse Urena are you kidding me?? Kobe’s individual dominance from 04-09 was something we have never seen before, when he was setting numerous scoring records. 30+, 40+, 50+, 60+, 81 pt game... Kobe got robbed of at least 3 MVPs bc the media didn’t like him and that’s a FACT.
@jj I was talking about Kobe.... dumbass???? You taking this way too seriously
@@jesseurena5153 I have to respectfully disagree with you. Shaq's prime years was more 98-01
Max can't talk about Jordan LeBron or kobe correctly he just doesn't know wassup. He just looks at the surface and follows narratives that agree with his agenda.
Shaq carried kobe. 💯💯💯
Max actually make some great points tho
Max’s basketball takes are usually pretty awful.
Weather Report. The weather REPORT THE JAZZ. GROUP.
kobe in his "prime" 🚮🚮🚮
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: gentleman swept in the 1st round
kobe played with butler/Odom/Grant/Bynum and coached by Phil Jackson.
Shaq carried kobe. Replace kobe with Vince Carter, T-Mac in those lakers teams, they still win. A young Vince made to ESCF game 7 by myself and a prime kobe missed the 05 playoffs 😂😂😂
It's simple, when Max has a take on Kobe or basketball, I change the video🤷🏻♂️
😂 true!
max is actually telling the truth.... what max said that was wrong..??
the supermanisalive Facts
@@Rambo20244 Kobe fans are salty lol
the supermanisalive Duncan has never been better than Kobe. Kobe was undisputed until LeBron hit his prime.
FINALLY SOMEBODY (STEVEN A SMITH) RECOGNIZES IT WAS DWADE NOT SHAQ IN THE 2006 FINALS THAT WAS DOMINAT
You’re a Dumas no one said Shaq was more dominant dwade won finals MVP FYM
@@Sam-oe4dt damn yo relax
Lol everyone acknowledges the 06 chip was cause of D-Wade
Dwade pull off one of the best finals performances ever
I thought that was a given and everyone already knew that. It was clear as day lol
"Kobe Beef?" LMAOOOOOO. ESPN is so corny with their headlines. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There's no beef because kobe knows he is Shaq's Sidekick. 💯💯💯
obama/kamala families are slave owners. Naw kobe only knows that he "has 1 more than shaq"
obama/kamala families are slave owners.
Yep. kobe is Shaq's sidekick 👍👍👍
Kobe being the most overrated and underrated player ever is actually extremely accurate.
He's not underrated at all and I'm a Fan of Kobe's
Where you smoking some weeddddaahhh when you wrote this😂😂
@@WadeWalker22 😂😂😂Fucking Sucking up Kobe more than Vanessa
@@jordan12118 nigga what. he's so fucking underrated. some people say he's outside top 10. fuck dumb cunts
@@rogerbredn8740 Bitch you said SOME PEOPLE not most. Most have him in the top 10 that doesn't make him underrated pussy boy
I'm taking prime Kobe any day of the week. Argue with yourself 🤷
Shaq
agrey832 stop with the stupid emoji
kobe in his "prime" 🤣😂🤣😂
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: lost in 1st round
Shaq carried kobe.
obama is a Russian Puppet FeelTheBern
Big W.. 👍👍👍
Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie. 5 > 4
best player in the NBA was Jordan from '85 to '98, then Shaq from '99 to '03, then Kobe from '04 to '11, then LeBron from '12-present. i don't think anyone ever considered Tim Duncan a better player than Kobe. i do agree that Shaq was arguably better than Kobe if you're comparing both of their peak prime years. the problem is Kobe's prime lasted much longer...from about 1999 to 2013 while Shaq's prime was only from about 1994 to 2003. his play declined noticeably because of his weight gain from '04 onward even though he won the title in '05 with Wade but that's just because even a diminished Shaq was still a top player in the league.
Michael Jordan was the best player from 1987-1988 to 1992-1993 and 1995-1996 to 1997-1998 and Shaq from 1999-2000 to 2001-2002 and then Duncan 2002-2003 and then Kevin Garnett for 2003-2004 and then Duncan for 2004-2005 and then Kobe 2005-2006 and 2008-2009 to 2017-2018 is Lebron that gap between 2006-2007 to 2006-2008 you can debate who was the best
"I'm not picking Kobe over Shaq, I'm just saying I'd pick a guard over a center" *Caption: STEPHEN A. PICKS PRIME KOBE OVER PRIME SHAQ*
kobe in his "prime"🚮🚮🚮
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: gentleman swept in the 1st round
kobe played with butler/Odom/Grant/Bynum and coached by Phil Jackson.
Shaq carried kobe. Replace kobe with Vince Carter, T-Mac in those lakers teams, they still win. A young Vince made to ESCF game 7 by myself and a prime kobe missed the 05 playoffs 😂😂😂
@@niggato23 Great argument.
Niggato is he wrong though? Shaq still wins those 3 titles with Iverson
@@user-qd6im2hp2e but Iverson never won a ring foh
@@niggato23 he's right
Kobe's argument over shaq is his longevity. When we are just comparing Primes, its EASILY shaq.
Nicholas Williams Shaq couldn’t play at the end of close games because of Hack a Shaq.. I’ll take prime Kobe
@@JCrossover123 cool
The same goes for Lebron then.
His longevity is why he has them stats over other greats but lost more rings then everybody else!
@Loc T lol, that arguement can be made about everyone. U cant change a player. Shaq didnt have a work ethic
@@Mercurial. take your shitty anti lebron arguments to someone who cares. He has nothing to do with this topic.
How was kobe in his prime coming into the league from high school? Lmao
Max: Shaq in Orlando wasn't in his prime when Hakeem beat him
Max: Kobe was in his prime when he played with Shaq.
LMAO
Lol lol
He’s not lying Shaq was at his best with the lakers
Emilio Rabadan but Kobe wasn’t in his prime at all
@@Erabbz You must be slow.
@@Erabbz but kobe wasnt at his best in the finals run stretch from 2000-04. He finally reached his best in 06.
Kobe wasnt in his damn prime when he was with shaq max, i rock wit you and your story bro but thats wrong.
yes he was. He was at the beginning of it. Ur prime is ur best years in total until ur decline. He wasn't at his peak, but he started his prime prior to shaq leaving.
@@TheIcemanthomas i can see where your coming from because from 00-14 he never averaged under 25
@@TheIcemanthomas but us kobe fans think of the mamba lights out assassin days where kobe was a dictator i think that's why we say that but statistically youre right and the numbers dont lie
@@andreamicucci2396 well as a former Kobe hater, I watched him destroy all my squads year after year intensely. lmfao
Your talking to a Lebron hater so i feel you, everytime i get in the debate i still tell everyone about how kobe is still back in 09 waiting on lebron to show up to the finals because only one of them held up their end of the deal lol
Kobe was in his prime his first 8 years in the NBA? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
tony frazier max is dumb af😂Kobe didn’t enter his prime until 06 when he dropped 81 on the raptors
@@josephcampbell3718 Kobe was in this 10th year at 27 by your math Kobe started his prime early about his fifth year in the league
kobe in his "prime"
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: lost in 1st round.
Shaq carried kobe
obama is a Russian Puppet FeelTheBern are you dumb look who was playing with him those years. Kwame brown and smush Parker. Got him a better team and got to the finals 3 years in a row and won twice gtfoh. Kobe the goat and got more rings than shaq, shaq got carried on his ring with the heat OD by Dwyane Wade
KingKyrie
kobe played with Bulter, Odom, Grant, Bynum and Phil Jackson. No excuses.
Imagine your prime being 22 years old
Imagine missing the playoffs in your prime (e.g., kobe in 2005)
imagine 5 rings...u probably can’t
Lol right
@@astrocade9541 exactly. 22 yrs old
@@obamaputkidsincagesazcentr8418 Imagine being swept by the Pacers 94, Rockets 95, Bulls 96, Jazz 98 and Spurs 99. Shaq did. And Kobe missed 16 games in 2005 and Odom missed 18 that one year they missed the playoffs.
Isn’t it incredible Kobe and Shaq played together nearly 20+ years ago and ESPN STILL eating off Lakers topics in 2019? 😂
Natcheral DaRebel it’s bc they’re two of the greatest😂people aren’t gonna want to hear about a Kris Dunn or a Steve Kerr,they want to hear about the legends
Michael Jordan gets talked about at once an episode. LOL
They were the best duo ever.
As an individual who actively watched 2000s ball, literally NO ONE was calling Tim Duncan the best player in the game in the 2000s. That came after the media began to recognize his 5 chips a few years ago. His play was boring, methodical and relied on Pop and team play NOT individual brilliance. After MJ it was Grant Hill, AI/Shaq, Kobe/TMac, Kobe, Kobe/LBJ, LBJ and LBJ/KD in that order. Max needs to stop
Exactly, these analysts keep re writing history. EVERYONE back then never thought Duncan was the best in any year in the 2000s, Now they're appreciating his greatness when he beat Lebron and the Heat.
I beg to disagree. Kobe was undisputed to be the best in the post lakers-shaq pre miami-lebron era. During the time nash and nowitzki were winning mvps.
@@Willworld. I disagree i think that you could make the argument that he should have won 1 mvp in that time but not 2
Kobe was robbed on one or two MVP tho
Are you stupid? Tim Duncan win back to back MVPs and win the title in '03, '05, '07. Is you dumb?
This is such fiction lol. Kobe was not undisputed best when Wade was winning, Duncan was winning, Nash taking him out in the playoffs, prime KG. Then Lebron arrived
Kobe Didn’t have the success to win it. Dirk and Nash had great seasons on great teams, same thing for Duncan. Kobe was just not winning the trophy by being a 6th/7th seed. But he did win one mvp and two finals mvps in the 2000’s, changed the narrative about him and solidified his place as an all timer rather than a clandestine passenger on the Shaq boat
Stephen A. might be the only analyst who consistently praises Kobe while all the others consistently hate on him. I’m glad someone recognizes greatness when they see it.
06-10 Was Kobe’s peak, after 2010 is Lebron. Kobe did peak, Max is full of it
kobe in his "prime"
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: lost in 1st round
kobe's peak = 🚮🚮🚮
obama/kamala families are slave owners. How come you don’t talk about 08-10 when he went to three straight finals and won 2 of them?? And his team from 05-07 was straight garbage but Kobe still carried them to the playoffs. Prime Kobe is the best scorer in NBA history
LeBron took over 2011 not 2010. Remember nba finals against dallas. I'm not a bron hater nor is Kobe fan.
@@obamaputkidsincagesazcentr8418 He was Harden back then and yeah he had 3 rings as the secondary option I know but how many would Harden have if he stayed in OKC with KD Russ and Ibaka
@@LPdevilness Prime Jordan is the best scorer. Check his finals numbers plus he never lost in the finals unlike Kobe. Kobe has a higher career high and scored more in regular season but when it mattered most Jordan is the best scorer ever and at both their peaks ill take Jordan if they matched up
I can't pick any player in history over 2001-2010 Kobe (minus the 04 season which was a low point for him due to the the legal case and was bad in that finals). We're talking pure skills, mentality, leadership, everything he does on the court on both ends, in tip top shape while playing within a team system such as the triangle; feeding it to Shaq when he could get 40 every night if he wanted to, getting everyone involved by letting them make plays unlike guys like Harden, Lebron, Westbrook who constantly have the ball and pass for a shot. Prime Kobe is more lethal plus longevity obviously.
Yeah I agree Kobe is arguably a top 10 player all time
@@montagehq9872 bro Nba players have him top 2-5
Um… Jordan?
@@noonecaresworkharder9125 except Jordan cuz he's the goat in any team sport
@@montagehq9872 he’s unarguably top 10
Stephen a Smith makes his choices depending on the suit he wears that day lol. He felt like Kobe today lol.😆 No wrong answer tho tbh
Prime Shaq was way better than Kobe so there is a wrong answer
Spoiled Milk Podcast better? I don’t think you should say better because shaq was not more skilled than Kobe shaq was dominant because of his size and mobility
@@spoiledmilkpodcast3349 the disrespect to kobes hard work and commitment to becoming one of the best if not the best scorers in the game. To say Shaq was "way" better is kind of ignorant and personal. Kobe around 2008ish was unstoppable. You could triple team him and he'd still hit the big shot.
yall dumb if you think 2008 kobe is prime kobe kobe prime is 2006
akashi kaze I think that your getting best year and prime mixed up prime last for more than a season it’s a span of years where you level of play was the highest not just stats also the eye test
Kobe was arguably the best player in the world from 2000-2013
EXACTLY
He wasn’t when shaq won two more finals mvp with Kobe on his team ? What blasphemy
@@reubenbowen5096 That's why I said "arguably". I personally have Shaq as best in the world from 2000-2002, TMac from 2003-2004, and Kobe from 2004-2013
Shaq was 1A and Kobe 1B, they needed each other. Shaq was a monster! and there were many games Shaq fouled out and Kobe carried them to victories, he was killer. People forget they lost with Kobe Shaq, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, etc. The Lakers started winning when Phil, Ron Harper and Horace Grant got there.
Stephen A "Things of that nature" Smith
Stephen A "When you look at it from that perspective" Smith
"Michael Jordans of the world"
Stephen A" Blasphemy" Smith.
Stephen A “The reality of the situation” smith
You are wrong and here's why....
Watching Kobe in his prime was a treat
Who is better, Kobe or...
Max: The later one. 😂
Ong
He's the same way with Steph.
Kobe in his prime was a monster.
Dwight looking thin !... Lmao Stephen A. Smith wilding 😂
They just all out of shape
😭😭😭😭
Thank you Stephen A turn the other guys mic off 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
kobe in his "prime" 🚮🚮🚮
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: gentleman swept in the 1st round
kobe played with butler/Odom/Grant/Bynum and coached by Phil Jackson.
Shaq carried kobe. Replace kobe with Vince Carter, T-Mac in those lakers teams, they still win. A young Vince made to ESCF game 7 by myself and a prime kobe missed the 05 playoffs 😂😂😂
Why are you Kobe fans so obsessed with him? Is it because he is prettier than Shaq?
*Prime Shaq over Prime Kobe as Shaq was #1 option for the Lakers and the NBA was all involving on "how to beat Shaq" during their years with the Lakers*
For sure.
It's crazy how people forget how Shaq was the absolute focus of the offense and was so unguardable that teams had to pile up stiffs just to foul him enough to be effective. Steven A is so wrong on this.
Super Intelligent Ape From The Future but Kobe wasn’t on his prime when he played with Shaq, Shaq was, and he was already known as an excellent basketball player, Kobe still had to prove himself
@Bobby Bob it's funny how you forgot to mention in 05, 06and 07 he had a team that had no business being in the playoffs and you say Kobe 09 had no competition that same team that beat LeBron and it's funny how you don't mention that Kobe when he won those 2 chips he had a top 15 player and eliminated 10 50 win teams it took LeBron 8 straight finals to match that and in none of Jordans three peat did he face that much competition
@Bobby Bob so you telling me a guy with 5 title's two finals MVPs
3 scoring title's , 11 all-nba which is more than Jordan and Magic,9 all defensive first team tied for most in NBA history , and was a 18 time all star that guy can't be considered a top 5 player stop it
Shaq and Kobe were the ultimate duo because they would be able to fill up each others flaws
"Shaq didn't win a chip with Eddie Jones...he didn't win with Penny Hardaway...he didn't win until he got Kobe, and when he won with DWade, it was Wade that carried the Heat to a ring."
@The Best Player Kobe won a ring with Lamar Odom WHO WAS ON CRACK!
Comics Lamar U s open
Comics Lamar as a mavs fan, wade did get in our ass in 06.. Shaq was a non factor
@The Best Player Kobe was in high school before Shaq was In LA. They literally joined the same season lol
Facts. Shaq had 4 years in LA before before Kobe started and couldn't get to the finals. And the best move Phil Jackson made in his life was starting Kobe Bryant
Shaq! From 00-02 people literally thought the Lakers would win like 5 or 6 titles straight. It was the scariest rampage since Jordan or Russell.
bill russell isnt good
People thought kobe was gonna have 6 or 7 rings especially after 2010 not to mention the CP3 coming to LAkers deal David Stern(Lebrons Boyfriend) vetoed the deal. From 08-10 Kobe completely shut down the Western Conference Tim Duncan/Tony/Manu/Pop, Carmelo/AI, KD/Russ/Harden, Dirk, Nash, etc Kobe was dominating them all
@@presidential3228 Bill Russell won 11 Championships and either is #1 or comes close to #1 for a ton of all-time NBA records. Look him up. You've gotta be blind to deny the extraordinary level of talent that man had.
Jacob Davis He played against fucking bums that couldnt dribble lmao
PRESIDENTIAL facts
Prime Shaq was the most dominant offensive force these game had ever seen. I’m taking prime O’Neal. Kobe still 2nd best SG of all time
Who's first?
@@TheDarkSkull mj
Prime shaq couldn't get a ring without Kobe
As someone who watched jordan in his prime, hearing people compare kobe to jordan is comedy. Jordan was literally unstoppable, to the point that he would do shit like shoot the winning free throw with his eyes closed... and hit nothing but net.
Shaq is a good second. I can’t take him first cause he wasn’t a ball handler like MJ,LeBron,Kobe etc.
Steven A. Knows wtf he’s talking about on this matter !
People forget that from 96' to 2000 the Lakers were getting beat by the Utah Jazz and San Antonio...Kobe was on the team but not a starter..Kobe became a starter and they started to win period....
He an all star in 98 they lost against the Jazz, was a starter in 99 they lost and got swept by the spurs that’s not right to not saying the truth....
Yvans you are correct about 99'...it was the lockout year that they only played about 50 games
They’re lucky they didn’t run into Utah in 2000 Phil Jackson tanked games to avoid them
Every time I hear Molly breath I go straight to the comments😂
Thought I was the only one 😂😂😂
YOU MEN IN THIS COMMENTS TALKING ABOUT HOW MOLLY GET UNDER YOUR SKIN IS SAYING SO MUCH ABOUT YOUR MAN HOOD YOU HAVE NO MAN HOOD YOU HAVE WOMAN MIND SET AND WAYS GAY LIKE JUST LETTING Y'ALL KNOW WHAT A REAL MAN SEE IN Y'ALL THE ONES RISED BY A WOMAN A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THIS
Go take your lithium alonzo
alonzo randolph jalen is that you? Cause I know no simp will try to defend someone like molly in all caps 😂. Fucking keyboard warriors these days
alonzo randolph , or maybe sometimes she’s annoying and out line due to the fact that she’s not a debater just a mediator (someone in charge of transitioning topics and making sure segments don’t drag on ) I think you were raised by an emotional b!tch and it rubbed of on you . I don’t see how you could take offense to the slightest of jokes.
I love when Stephen A accuses people of doing coke like he just did with Dwight. The whole “he looked a little drawn” *flicks nose* bit was great. Pretty sure he’s done it to Max before, too.
Max really never seizes to amaze me, he is always wrong😂
"He looks a little drawn" It's called a front camera. That shit makes EVERYBODY look weird
Nah bruh dwhite looking a lil weird. Looking a lil sick if you know what I mean.
I'll take prime Shaq b/c you can replace Kobe with at least 4 other guards from the same era and win the same 3 titles they won and maybe more.
T-Mac, VC, Iverson, J. Kidd,
Raphael De La Ghetto the irony is non of those guards you named won a chip lol kobe got 2 without Shaq
Raphael De La Ghetto minus Kidd got one out his prime
ccae07 2000 - 2004 was well within Kidd's prime. He should've been the MVP of the league in 2002. Shaq even said it after the Lakers beat his Nets in the finals.
@@ccae07 ai got a team with scrubs to the finals against them dominate Lakers tmac didn't have no help Vince Carter had some decent squads but lost to ai Sixers then those great Detroit pistons teams what did Kobe do after shaq left 34,42 wins didn't win 50 games til pau came and that's when he started winning so like sas said about guard play was important for shaq Kobe needed an all star hof caliber center to win and he was blessed with pau,young Bynum and a very skilled Odom and later artest if Iverson, tmac was on the team it would be the same result and if kidd was on the team they winning 5 or 6 shaq and kidd would be deadly
2005-2010 Kobe was the best
I'll take the 3 time finals mvp shaq...
The only reason he was finals MVP was that they had less elite bigmen in the other conference while the opposite was true about the conference finals. Without Kobe, Shaq would have not made the finals so many times.
r 3 ty somebody finally said it! Shaw only dominated because all the best big men were gone! Look what happened to him when he went against an elite center like Olajuwon in the finals!
Old School Curt he played hakeem 3 years after he got drafted lol. That’s like kobe out playing wade if they played in 06 nba finals. U expect it
Picasso Julien and still lead a Magic’s team to the finals.
@@r3705 That's because the Western Conference knew they'd encounter Shaq in the regular season and sooner or later in the Playoffs so they stockpiled on big men to defend against Shaq: Portland- Rasheed, Sabonis, Jermaine O'Neal, Brian Grant; San Antonio- Duncan, Robinson, Malik Rose, Samaki Walker; Sacramento- Vlade, C-Webb, Scott Pollard.
The Pacers tried to do the same. They had "7'4" Rik Smits, Dale Davis, Austin Croschere, and Sam Perkins. The 76ers traded a great shot blocker in Theo Ratliff for Dikembe bc they knew he'd was the better defender against Shaq. And after the Nets got swept by the Lakers in '02, the Nets traded for him bc they expected to see the Lakers in the Finals again.
Think about what you just said- the West didn't prepare their defenses for Kobe. They did it for Shaq bc they knew he was the more dangerous one.
"Prime Shaq" -- according to Kobe, Shaq never reached his prime. We'll never know...
Lol 😂 😂 😂
Kobe is my favorite player of all time. I might disappoint a lot of you guys but I’d take a prime shaq over a prime Kobe. This was *NOT* an easy decision for me
Boss you’re right Shaq is so dominant and last to 3 peat and win 3 finals mvp in a row . Only 2 players to do so
When Dwight Howard was at his best he was definitely SuperMan like.
Shaq his hating.
His garbage always has been a soft center.
John Ocampo what kind of ‘soft’ ‘garbage’ centers win 3 dpoys in a row, and been consistently been ranked as a top 3 player in the league in there best days?
@@brosidenbro638 won what now? Last time i checked you gotta win rings to be considered a winner, his the softest big man this game has ever seen.
John Ocampo last time I checked, Dwight did in fact win 3 defensive player of they year awards. And what kinda soft center averages 2.8 blocks and 13.8 rebounds a game
@@brosidenbro638 how about rings!!! Where those at if youre so damn good and dominant stop putting players up there that dont deserve it fan boy.
SHAQ AND KOBE COULD WIN A BIG THREE CHAMPIONSHIP ... LITERALLY RIGHT NOW 🙂...
We all what SAS actually meant when he said Dwight Howard looked thinner 😂😂😂 STAY OFF THE WEEEEEEEDUHHHHHHHH
That ain't weed that's COKE he in LA now... he leveled up lol
Ayyan Bhatti Yoo that’s fukin funny bro lmao
Weed actually increases your appetite, because it lowers your blood sugar.
Max’s argument was flawed from the jump. Kobe was not in his prime when they played together. Kobe’s prime was 2004-05 until 2008-09.
Shaq’s prime was like 96-2001.
Shaq just didn’t work as hard as Kobe. Shaq never made teammates better. Every offense he played in was a “stop what you’re doing and throw the ball to Shaq every time” offense. Kobe as the leader had to force the guys around him to play better. He had to make Pau Gasol play tougher. He had to make Lamar Odom play at his highest level. He had to make Andrew Bynum focus and play like a superstar bigman even if nobody saw him as a superstar. And then for Kobe to have the will power and energy to carry the whole scoring load for weeks at a time? How could you not take Kobe?!
kobe himself said he was in his prime in 03 he averaged 30ppg 6 and 7 and had 9 straight 40 point games
01 Kobe was in his prime or damn near it he just didn't play good in the finals those 3 years but he averaged 28 ppg and Shaq averaged 28 ppg.. Kobe was also second or third in Mvp race that year so how wasn't he in his prime??
Shaq stay getting on Dwight Howard its personal Molly hes not just having fun
A women wont get it
Siam hey man it’s bullshit she is just as smart as any man to get these concepts. I would say Rachel Nichols , Melissa Beadle do just as good if not better than any non-player nba host on ESPN aside from Woj and Bri. So no need to say that shit man. Don’t say that it has to be the end of that kind of thinking.
@@ruchpat1 she ain't gonna let you smash bro
@@ruchpat1 white knight much?
Louis and ur never gonna have a gf. Same deal.
Huge Lakers fan and its quite fun to see all these three (Shaq, Kobe, and Dwight) throwing shade at each other, Dwight is back in LA too lmao.
Well I’m shocked af. Molly did her job and introduced the topic and didn’t interrupt the guys 😱😱😱
Keep it up girl and the hate will surely fall back 👍
Max, you’re incorrect. For a 3-year period, Larry Bird was viewed as the best player in the world & potentially in the history of basketball at the time, winning 3 straight MVPs in the 1980s
He had a greater peak than Magic. Magic has a better team & was great for a longer period of time due to Bird’s injury issues
KingLeo80 Facts are facts. If you don’t understand the proper context of past historical events, I can’t help you
He they say bird at first then magic came along
You're on point
Lou Bizzie Much love. Thank you 💯
KingLeo80 Magic played with multiple #1 draft picks & another Top 5 all-time player. He OBVIOUSLY had the better team. He was greater longevity-wise. Bird was better peak for peak
I think Shaq and Kobe started this new beef on purpose to help Shaq market his new app. He's a master!
Damn i thought they fired molly
We can only pray for a miracle and maybe the espn gods will hear us
Nobody:
Max: KoBe iS oN tHE aLL tiMe wOrSt team of ThE 2010's
Yet he was the first to win the championship in the decade... smh
@@monkeinside That was the 2009 season. The first season of that decade was the 2010-2011 season.
Ultra Gamer lebron had worst team all decade in his first trip to the finals
Frozilla15 It was in 2010 tho so I don’t know what time standard you live on but 2010 is the start of the 2010s
@@monkeinside Kobe's last title was of the 2009-2010 season. The season started in 2009 not 2010. It's actually really simple.
I'd take prime Shaq over prime Kobe. Yall forget that in his 3rd season he reached the Finals. I'd take his dominance and surround him with shooters
kobe's a shooter, people bring up the mixxed shots completely ignoring HOW HARD AND WELL CONTESTED HIS SHOTS WERE.
Bacon Le Skiiwalker naw you forget one of the most memorable things that happened was Kobe throwing a lob to shaq for the win I think against Phoenix. Why did that play happen? Every player on the other team was locked on Kobe thinking he was gonna ballhogg. Also the guts it takes to make a pass like that or shot is why he’s the black mamba
J M lol it was against Portland you bum and no it wasn’t a game winner
And he got swept. And then in his fourth, he got swept again.
steph got double teamed in 2019 finals and lost. KOBE HAD 5 guys on him and made like 40% of his shots
yes Dwight ignore all that negative energy and focus on your goals.
I wanna bash my head in wen I see molly as the host instead of rosgold SMH
Got lavar ball banned over a compliment.yea i remember,screw molly
@@louisstipe7925 She is horrible.
@michael lee man just for being apart of that shit made me hate her.she do other annoying shit but its her job and i respect that but people getting banned im not feeling that...everybody know they just started putting women on espn like 3 to 4 years ago
@michael lee i dont hate molly...dat bitch can exist or not idgaf(big sean voice)!! Ummm you ever thought lavar got banned cause he was right about the lakers? Or maybe he was too real.there's a conspiracy.he still winning though he has lonzo 😜molly aint💩
Prime Shaq is BETTER that prime Kobe in any Era, Period.
No fking way, maybe in dominance but if u have to choose one its KOBE all dat
The Best Player I’m taking Kobe !!
The Best Player You’re the only idiot here
Prime Shaq would not be able to make a free throw even if his life depended on it.
REAL TALK WE BOUT SETTLE THIS BS FUCK PRIME WHO Y'ALL TAKING SHAQ OR KOBE ME IM TAKING KOBE
Didnt stephen a say prime shaq was 2nd to Jordan only this year😭😭
Kellerman once again making more sense as usual. The guys Max named won multiple MVPs. That's USUALLY the M.O. of the best/mvp player.
3:35 - 6:10 mark of this video...Max is spot on with his assessment here !!!
Kobe wasn't in his prime when he played with shaq lol
kobe is Shaq's sidekick
@@dr.shrimppuertorico1282 I'm sorry but what does that have to do with what I said?
Finally some first take on basketball
What if we made CJ 6'6" and Big Smoke 7'1" in a GTA SA mod
3-peat Shaq vs. Prime Kobe? I'd take Shaq all day
Facts. Shaq was unstoppable and unguardable in his prime
Great job Dwight who cares what people have to say just so u. Dont let no one get u distracted.
Victor Martinez dwight howard is garbage
@@llmrwhiskers3546 is that u Mario 🤔
Bruh, Dwight career is over he had a chance to get a ring with kobe but kobe just couldn't hack it anymore
I'll take prime shaq's high field goal percentage over prime kobes any day
This is going to be a great NBA season with a little more parity, health, and a new champ. I cannot wait!
The free throw line argument lol
Dwight wasn't really butthurt about that. He is butthurt from someone else. 🤣
LA Clippers funny
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
More people would pay to watch Kobe play than Shaq. But Shaq was more unique and irreplaceable. Insert TMac instead of Kobe and Lakers could still win a threepeat.
LA Clippers
I would pay to watch Orlando Magic Shaq over any version of Kobe.
@@kcuba2741 😂😂😂😂😂
Insert lebron or jordan and the lakers win and shaq still gets fmvp he was killing those weak eastern conference centers
Shaq clearly won with Penny Hardaway right? And T-Mac clearly got out of the 1st round with YAO MING right? Quit smoking cracks.
That's all objective... Just a thought... We don't know if tmac/Shaq win it all... Lakers had amazing battles with San Antonio... Sacramento...and Portland... Those we're all very very good teams... We don't know how tmac would have handled those big moments... What we do know is Kobe won 2 with out Shaq... To Shaqs 1.
Your forgetting about Tracy McGrady in that time too
SAS said exactly what I been saying for years!
SAS would rather have 2 rings and 2 FVMP over 3 rings and 3 FMVP
Jrock420blam
That’s tough because without Kobe Shaq doesn’t make even get to 1 final in LA. Kobe went to 3 straight and won 2 straight without Shaq.
@@Cpt35 that is debatable Shaq took the Magic to the finals without Kobe and nearly won FMVP even though they lost. He would have compensated without Kobe, just as Kobe did without him. Shaq would have had 4 straight finals and MVPs had Kobe not shot 30% and 17% in 2004
look i was in la when lakers won in 2001 vs phili shaq was a monster kobe was great but not on shaqs level but in the end i feel they needed each other ...if shaq wasent traded im thinking 6 rings each maybe more
c s I mean I love shaq but what great center did he go up against
YFGMBlogTv hakeem? Mutombo? Robinson?Duncan?(if you count him) Ben Wallace? Patrick Ewing? Prime Dwight Howard? There are lots more your comment just shows your lack of knowledge of the game
@@Sam-oe4dt i'm thinking he meant the finals, pretty sure he was. Only claim is mutombo and even then he was old yes he won dopty, no he wasn't the best defender
@@Sam-oe4dt y-ming was no joke either
Why are you lying Max??? Kobe was the undesputed greatest player in the league from 2002-2003 up until even 2009-2010 season when coaches like Alvin Gentry said "He is clearly the best basketball player in the world and its not even close". Lebron was making the playoffs in 2008 and being a 4th seed while his team won only 45 games. While in the west, the nuggets had 50 wins and were an 8th seed. Lebron would have missed plenty of NBA playoffs had he been in the tough western conference and not the trash east.
Anybody else hear after the Kobe tragedy around a month ago
I'm picking Kobe. I'm picking Guard over a center like Steven A said.
kobe is Shaq's sidekick
I'm sure you can think of someone you think can go toe to toe with Kobe. McGrady, Arenas, Iverson, Spreewell, doesn't matter they are closer to Kobe than the next center from that era was to Shaq! Remember people like Hakeem and Ewing were way older than him. Like Jordan was to Kobe. Shaq dismantled the centers of the 2000s. Never close.
I'll take Shaq and T-mac, you've got Kobe and take your pick:
Ben Wallace
Dikembe Mutombo
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Vlade Divac
Ilgauskas
Chris Kaman
Erick Dampier
Good Luck.
That's because u didn't see them play
Prime Shaq is the most dominant player in history. Won more than wilt. He was first option and Kobe was the sidekick until Shaq left.
Wilt had to play against like 8-9 Hall of Famers tho on that stacked Celtics team and every series went to game 7... If you give Wilt that superteam he would have at least 10 rings he's the real GOAT just look at the stats
Zain Casey Shaq was a sidekick in Miami then. And he didn’t do shit in Orlando
Joe Stuehmer his stats don’t really mean much in an era we’re there were fewer rules and like 6 teams in the NBA plus a lot of the players were like part timers. There would be no way in hell wilt could score 100 let alone 50ppg in the 80s,90s, or even today
DJ Envy He was ROTY in Orlando and a multi all star. He just didn’t win a ring mainly due to penny getting hurt
Prime Shaq Wins!!
The two years Steve Nash won the MVP KOBE WAS THE BEST IN THE WORLD
And the previous 6 years and 6 years after that
guacaquio Kobe was not the best player in 2000-2004...
@@darkinferno1219 Who was according to you?
guacaquio well 2000 it was clearly Shaq.
2001-2004 Shaq, Tim Duncan, KG, even Tmac and AI were better than Kobe.
@@darkinferno1219 yeah rite...
He said Kobe was in the mix 😂😂😂 huh??? Lol
Duh! Prime Kobe is tender and juicy 🤣🤣
kobe in his "prime"
05: missed the playoffs
06: choked a 3-1 lead in 1st round
07: lost in 1st round.
kobe is Shaq's sidekick 💯💯💯
@@rapistkobearrestedonjuly4225 bro with that username all of your preconceived arguments are deadweight lmao
SHAQ 🙊
Shinobi-Wan Kenobi
My username is the truth 💯💯💯
MJ-CocaCola Classic
Kobe- RC Cola
Diet Caffeine free Rc cola
Kobe -Mountain Dew
A6 Life Kobe is Pepsi
Lmfaooooo
Ian Harris Fuckin clown smh
"I don't get 5 championships here without him" - Kobe's comment about Michael Jordan 🐐 in the last Dance Documentary
Dwhight had a response to shaq. Great mind-state