Sir, that's nothing against you, but you are wrong. It has nothing to do with the foundation of the school or what Otake-sensei wrote in his books (besides, you should try to read other books on shinto ryu which might give you a broader understanding of the complexity of the school). What is important is what Soke says. And from this position it's clear: What Sugino-sensei does is officially Katori Shinto ryu, authorized by Iizasa Soke. If you doubt me, ask Soke.
Says who? What is your qualification to judge wether or not this is Katori Shinto ryu? Are you a member of that school? Do you speak Japanese? Do you live in Japan? State your position or refrain from telling stories you read on the net. Thank you.
Good. So I suppose you're living in Japan. You might want to ask the person sitting in the centre of this photo for his opinion on Sugino-sensei. You know him, right? lifeforasword.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cimg2505.jpg
sir this is not personal to you or Sugino, well it's my opinion on the historical data of Katori Shinto ryu foundation, you can be documented in the books of katori shinto ryu where it let you know the root of the school, the of the book is Katori Shinto Ryu warrior tradition by Risuke Otake 香取神道リュウ
+sinister blade So, you actually practiced with them "hands on"? You are basically jugding them based on an enbu video, with no insight into their actual practice.
In Sugino dojo when practicing, it is faster, but that is not the key thing - most importantly you are always trying to win over the opponent in each move, react at correct moments and make the techniques so that the opponent is forced to react in the way he does in the kata. I have no experience with Otake teachings, so I cannot compare. :-)
Hello I hope this comment reaches you M. Cronsen. I would like to know a bit more about your experience with Sugino Sensei. I practise Katori Shinto Ryu taught by Sugino Yoshio and I would like to share our experiences. Please get back to me. Best regards
Good evening ! You studied with Yoshio's second son am I right ? I would like to know what is the atmosphere during a lesson. As a fellow student and "teacher" (I have no better word since English is not my main language) I am interested in the teaching ways you experienced over there.
Is there any way to discuss this in private? If you are using facebook, please look for the page "Bugei Books" and contact the site administrator. He can refer you to me.
Says who? What is your qualification to judge wether or not this is Katori Shinto ryu? Are you a member of that school? Do you speak Japanese? Do you live in Japan? State your position or refrain from telling stories you read on the net. Thank you.
miguel ochoa Otake and Sugino schools are both Katori shinto ryu. Even Otake sensei or somebody else(you for example) just cant say that Sugino school isnt true Katori Shinto Ryu. When Otake Risuke just has started studying Katori shinto ryu in 1942 Sugino Yoshio already was master of it (even wrote a book in 1941) and had his own dojo authorized by Iizasa Kinjiro(dad of todays soke).
Sir, that's nothing against you, but you are wrong. It has nothing to do with the foundation of the school or what Otake-sensei wrote in his books (besides, you should try to read other books on shinto ryu which might give you a broader understanding of the complexity of the school).
What is important is what Soke says. And from this position it's clear: What Sugino-sensei does is officially Katori Shinto ryu, authorized by Iizasa Soke. If you doubt me, ask Soke.
Cronsen i learned otake style, but sugino style look soft and flowing, awesome..
Says who? What is your qualification to judge wether or not this is Katori Shinto ryu? Are you a member of that school? Do you speak Japanese? Do you live in Japan?
State your position or refrain from telling stories you read on the net. Thank you.
Good. So I suppose you're living in Japan.
You might want to ask the person sitting in the centre of this photo for his opinion on Sugino-sensei. You know him, right?
lifeforasword.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cimg2505.jpg
一人一人の太刀のクセは、変わらない様です？
sir this is not personal to you or Sugino, well it's my opinion on the historical data of Katori Shinto ryu foundation, you can be documented in the books of katori shinto ryu where it let you know the root of the school, the of the book is Katori Shinto Ryu warrior tradition by Risuke Otake 香取神道リュウ
Its different from Otake's. Somehow slower, and I feel no battle spirit into it... It is like Iai just for show.
+sinister blade
So, you actually practiced with them "hands on"? You are basically jugding them based on an enbu video, with no insight into their actual practice.
+Cronsen Is the actual practice very different from what is displayed in this video?
Azurel777
Yes, it is. This is purely for demonstration purpose. Nothing particular special.
In Sugino dojo when practicing, it is faster, but that is not the key thing - most importantly you are always trying to win over the opponent in each move, react at correct moments and make the techniques so that the opponent is forced to react in the way he does in the kata.
I have no experience with Otake teachings, so I cannot compare. :-)
Looks like sugino ha, mine is ootake ha.. :)
Leonardus Carol You are correct, it‘s Sugino sensei‘s group, although the term „sugino-ha“ is not correct (same for otake-ha).
Cronsen thanks sir, hope u always blessed with good health. Im sorry for my bad english, love katori shinto ryuu from indonesia. :)
Leonardus Carol No problem :-) happy new year and greetings from Japan!
Hello
I hope this comment reaches you M. Cronsen. I would like to know a bit more about your experience with Sugino Sensei.
I practise Katori Shinto Ryu taught by Sugino Yoshio and I would like to share our experiences.
Please get back to me.
Best regards
sega7293 Good evening. What would you like to know?
Good evening !
You studied with Yoshio's second son am I right ?
I would like to know what is the atmosphere during a lesson.
As a fellow student and "teacher" (I have no better word since English is not my main language) I am interested in the teaching ways you experienced over there.
Is there any way to discuss this in private? If you are using facebook, please look for the page "Bugei Books" and contact the site administrator. He can refer you to me.
Sure ! this is the best way. Thanks for your answer.
This not the true school of Katori Shinto Ryu, this one is Sugino school.
Says who? What is your qualification to judge wether or not this is Katori Shinto ryu? Are you a member of that school? Do you speak Japanese? Do you live in Japan?
State your position or refrain from telling stories you read on the net. Thank you.
Yes Iam member of Katori shinto Ryu sensei Nobutoshi Otake is my sensei.
I am student of Katori Shinto Ryu.
miguel ochoa Otake and Sugino schools are both Katori shinto ryu. Even Otake sensei or somebody else(you for example) just cant say that Sugino school isnt true Katori Shinto Ryu. When Otake Risuke just has started studying Katori shinto ryu in 1942 Sugino Yoshio already was master of it (even wrote a book in 1941) and had his own dojo authorized by Iizasa Kinjiro(dad of todays soke).
Devoti
You are refering to MG Martal Arts?