Which SILVER Takes The GOLD?...9MM vs 40 S&W Winchester Silvertip Self-Defense AMMO Test!
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The 40 had more energy, more penatration, and more expansion. That equals a larger wound channel for blood flow, and more potential to break through bones and penetrate organs. Clear winner
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People act like dissing the 40 S&W is like virtue signaling. My first Glock was the G22 and it's not going anywhere. There is nothing wrong with the 40, and science proves its effectiveness. Git Some!
You're obviously correct that the 40SW was the clear winner. Thanks for the really interesting and informative channel.
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40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions
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First off, I'm not a fan boy of any caliber, particularly those that travel less than 2200fps at the muzzle. Example: Although it's much more powerful/effective than a .40 S&W or 9mm, the 240gr SJFP .44mag is not as practical as the .40 S&W or 9mm in efficiency. Of those two, both are plenty adequate for defense with the correct ammunition. That said, 9mm is the most popular, most common, and, in my opinion, the most efficient to carry and operate... As if it's a personal dig that the 9mm is better, it's not. 9mm simply rules... The .40 fan boys Crack me up!!!
I like to divide by 4.
I’m a 10mm fanatic and my main edc is a G20/G29, but I have and carry all calibers. They are all good in their own ways, even little 380. Hard to beat an LCP MAX with 12+1 rounds of UW Xtreme Defender/Penetrator for a tiny pocket gun.
But I just snagged a Gen 4 G23C because I haven’t seen them around in a while and they don’t produce them new anymore I’ve heard. The idea was just getting it to have it, but I’m thinking I’ll set it up and add to the carry rotation. It is more power yet shoots like my G19’s, which to me have near zero recoil. I’m so used to 10 and 500 that everything else feels extremely light. 9mm is great stuff but 40 is better (for me) and 10mm is remains king 👑 lol.
@@1958PonyBoy As in 40 / 4 = 10mm? 😁
.40 S&W gang FTW ! Even out of that short barrel he's getting 88 ft-lbs more ooomph and an extra 3.25" of drilling. Pshhhht, and they say 40 cal is dead 😏->😆->😛
This makes me want to switch my home defense pistol from the gen5 Glock 17 and back to my gen 3 Glock 22 in 40S&W.
The 40 is the only 155 grain I'm finding locally. I'm glad it did well.
I find this and the Remington htp at 155 grains locally. Recently I found 155 grain double tap on psa at a great price but you still gotta pay shipping but they frequently have 40sw double tap at good prices. They did have Speer lawman 165gr for 14.99 a box. Great deal I loaded up. Still available to I might order more
When I was in the Army I met a Secret Service Uniform Officer that carried silver HPs in his Sig 10mm. He was very fond of them.
Was his name Van Helsing?!?!😲😲😲
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That 40 performance just looks outstanding! The 9 is impressive but I give the win to the 40.
Silvertips are, as you say, problematical in your "problem calibers" such as .32 and .380. They are quite soft and absolutely will expand at lower weights and velocities - but at the expense of penetration. I used to carry .380 Silvertips in a Sig P230 I used to have. I know better than that now. But in a 9 or 40 this ammo looks very effective! Good video!
Thank you sir. 😎👊
380 Silvertips are only 85 grain...this is why penetration suffers
Silvertips do seem to have made improvements over the years. Wondering how they run thru G19/23 length barrels and maybe then G17/22? Guessing more expansion and less penetration, but still might be in at least the 12-18” zone. Then a run using them in a G20 vs a G21 to compare!
I’d say that the Underwood Xtreme Defender and Penetrator take top spot for 380. A few others did ok, but no JHP rounds seem to match the combination of depth plus wound track. And they are definitely barrier blind lol. They perform well in all calibers, but really help 380 step up to meet more self defense standards. A Ruger LCP MAX loaded up with 12+1 rounds of either of those is potent little package. Great pocket gun or backup.
well tools,heres my 2 cents.
in 15 years of carrying ive fired my gun in self defense once.. it was a 3.3 " barrel 40sw. loaded with winchester silver tips. it wasnt a human however , but the biggest pit bull id ever seen in my life, and thats saying something because he was still huge despite obviously starving. when i took the shot , he was causing me 38 stitches on my right calf..
we live in the woods, and somebody had aparantly threw it out. anyways, the silver tip turned him off like a light switch, and it was absolutley gruesome.
the bullet fragmented and i had a few pieces of jacket in my foot that wasnt fun to get out but im so thankful that i had my gun. i was just walking up to the mailbox and lots of times ive left it.
ill never get rid of that gun, and while ive moved on to better ammo, i would never feel undergunned with silvertip. i also never, ever leave my gun by choice. some places you just cant. but if im on the jon droppin a deuce, im armed.. in the shower? guns within arm reach. keep em with ya folks. it really happens when you least expect it.
Thanks for the info. I've had 3.2" barrel for years that I just started loading with these.
The 9mm had some consistency issues, but in the end, they both performed pretty well! 👏
The .40 probably did a better job than some of the 10mm you've tested 😲
Great comparison vid!
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Always looking forward to that jelly time. 😎
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For me, the greater wound potential of the 40 means more than more capacity with the 9x19, generally speaking. Self defense requires a different plan than GTW/SHTF.
Both would take care of two-legged critters.
Where I live the critters are a bit spicier so I usually carry 40 S&w or 10mm. I carry silver tips in the summer months and gold dot for winter.
They both looked pretty good. I think you will pick the 40 if you're in the energy crowd, or the 9 if you're looking for capacity/less recoil
Good looking rounds. The problem with spicing them up, they may go too fast in a 4-4.5” barrel and under penetrate.
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I think Winchester loads these two rounds just right. Good performance from a three inch and some wiggle room for barrels up to six inches without pushing them to the point of falling to pieces from over speeds.
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Great test with really good results. Thanks for the 40 &W test, it's a good cartridge that shouldn't be falling out of favor.
Wouldn't feel under gunned with either. Both calibers are very adequate.
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As a legal civilian carrier, the threat is going to be face to face literally. I carried .40 for years until I saw cops mag dumping 9's and 40's into drugged up perps who just kept coming. I'm likely to get 1- ONE round off in a self def. situation that decides my fate. Now it's .357 mag with Buffalo bore 158 grain, close to 700 ft lbs. Even an amped druggie is going to feel that. I'd actually carry 44 mag if it didn't have the dirty harry stigma. Lawyers WILL use that against you in court. .357 was a standard trooper sidearm for years. 10mm for auto guys. Great test tho, good defense rounds against non-druggie or 400lb. adversaries.
Had a nice day we’ve been hot down here in Florida for sometime now
Great job from both! 🇺🇸
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Both of my carry guns are 40S&W
I have a boat load of this stuff i bought on blowout when my buddies armory went out of business.
I picked up a case of the Ranger variant of both of these a long time ago. Ended up using all the 9mm as training ammo during the many shortages.
Excellent short barrel performance. Full length barrels would have given 100fps more speed, more expansion, peehaps less penetration.
I had a box of these that were +p 9mm 115 and they felt SPICY
I’d like to see some pre Miami 9mm vs modern 9 vs 40
The old 9mm Silvertips fell short of reaching 12" from a full-size pistol.
Have you ice tea ready. Heatstroke is real. Them is some vampire stoppers for sure. Nice test.
Nice! They did much better than I was expecting. I wouldn’t hesitate to use either one. That heavy clothing barrier definitely separates the gimmicks from performing rounds and these performed for sure. Great test as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
The test tomorrow is a whole different story.😆😆😆
Agreed! The best move was sticking with that clothing barrier on the clear gel. Same barrier on the same gel every time now. It really helps compare the performance of different ammo. Many types of expensive 380 defense ammo were exposed as not being up to the task assuming the potential target irl is wearing clothes. That info led many people to re-examine the JHP ammo they’d been carrying for years in 380. Literally a life saving lesson!
Nice indeed ! I'm glad that these are available locally for a reasonable price. I bought a couple boxes months ago, now I'm definitely going to buy more, in both calibers. Thx Tools for another terrific test review !!
Nice review. 155 is a good weight for 40. I prefer the Gold Dot 155 at 1250fps.
A thought/suggestion; maybe carry a G22 with a conversion barrel and test one of each with the duty length barrel to see what it actually reveals? I think that would be interesting. How much more velocity & expansion vs how these 'softer' projectiles hold up to being pushed. Just a thought. I imagine a lot of folks might like to see that result compared to the concealed carry type performance of the same round
I’m pleased you did this test today! I have both of those caliber Silver Tips and I love ‘em both!! Glad to hear your opinion and see the gel results on both! Glad I carry them! Thanks for sharing brother!!👍🏻
Some good stuff if you ask me.😎👊
Thank you Sir, this is the test I've been waiting for as the 9mm Silvertip is my carry round.
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Good test, nice to see those Silver Tips expanding, I starting carrying that ammo way back when it first came out. I still have a 20 round box of it in 45acp with a price sticker on it for $6.95 from a retail gun shop. I carry Barnes Tac XPD in 9mm & 45acp nowadays, have you done a test on those? I used to watch the Werewolf movies with Lon Chaney Jr when I was a kid until my mom would come in and turn them off saying they would give me nightmares. 🤣
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i like the way the 40 acted in the gel. i hope i can find some where i live id like to use it for my EDC
US Border Patrol was issued the 40 155 Silver Tip in the early 2000s and it was a stellar performer in actual shootings. Eventually it was replaced with various 180gr loads as the 155s were hard on guns and hard for small officers to manage the snappy recoil.
40 SW stands for Short and Weak. It is 10mm without 1/2 the powder. It is a fraud. It was needed because the FBI could not shoot the 10mm. They have such weak wrists and it nearly knocked their silk panties off.
Those weak wrists and weak guns are always ruining a good thing.😆
From what I have seen, the 155 grain bullets are the best for the 40 S&W as far as expansion and penetration go. The 180s expand less and penetrate deeper. Might be good for bear defense but it's less effective on humans.
I have read that the Winchester Ranger 155 gr at about 1200fps was the Boarder patrol loading, I have seen some shot into water jugs and they came out looking like a very short lead mushroom.
@@ToolsandTargets they don't hire them like they used to when I started back in 1988. Back then about half the cadets were ex military or police transfers. Those guys were tough and could shoot anything, Nowadays they watered down the hiring standards so we have what we have and the handgun rounds had to be adapted to the new shooter so they can qualify., Hence the rising popularity of the 9 mm in law enforcement. Plus the bean counters who run the budgets prefer the cheaper 9 mm.
Awsome video as always jelly time i use both the 9mm and 40cal silver tips 115 9mm and 155 40cal. Love the expansion on them especially the 40cal
AH...nice to spend my Sunday evening kicked back and enjoying another of Tools 40vs9 videos. Thanks.
Sunday? Are you from the future?😱
@@ToolsandTargets Yes I am....play the lottery!!!ahahahahah
This is a solid choice for both. I will be looking for both after these results. Thanks.
These did much better than what I've seen in the past with this round, Thank you for your time, sweat and effort In this and all tests, your are #1 in my book, Thanks Brian, have a safe weekend my friend. 👍🇺🇸
I bought 9mm silvertips for my main carry and decided to buy the .380 silvertips for my summer carry. After watching your .380 video I switched to SIG v-crown .380 auto. Thank you
Great ammo test Tools, I have some of that silver tipped Winchester in 9 mm. Both rounds did fantastic in my book. 🇺🇸👊
That was a very interesting one. I haven’t had any “new” Silvertips in a few decades. But would have to say the performance was pretty decent for both even in such light weights. Would be cool to see the 45 and 10 for comparison as well. I don’t think HST or Gold Dot will be replaced by Silvertips any time soon. But it’s always good to have alternatives that perform.
Another video knocked out of the park great job brother.pew pew..
Thank you sir.😎👊
Back in the 1990's, the Winchester 115 grain 9mm Silvertip was my preferred carry round.
Thanks Tools for another good one ! Both did a great job , i have the 9mm and feel good about carrying it .
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Agree with you on 40 ,don't carry one but I'd rather have bigger than a few more extra rounds. Nice test, still waiting for you to try that big 45/70 round!Good on ya 😉
I have the 115 and 147 grain silver tips in 9mm. Def enjoy you doing the testing you do. And the averages. Thanks for what you do!
Thx TnT , appreciate your review 👍🙏 carried 9 &40 over yrs. In 80s 115gr ST later 165gr HST 40 & 147gr 9 HST better 🗽🎯carry on 🔫 🇺🇲
Excellent to see this - both nice ! Good test , thanks !
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Thanks for the short barrels!
If WE expect the right velocity and expansion, RELOAD, RELOAD, RELOAD!!!!!!!!!
Happy Saturday Tools, thank you so much for another awesome test. 🇺🇲👍🏻🇺🇲👍🏻🇺🇲
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊
A couple of nice rounds. Definitely add to my list of acceptable ammo. Appreciate your testing them.
Yessir 😎👊
Always Good Content, Thank You for sharing.
Thank you sir.😎👊
I think these would be great for a carbine test.
I've got the 115 grain silver tips in a few of my 9mm rotations. Seen them tested here previously and thought they were impressive 👍🏻👍🏻
I carry the 9mm 115gn silver tip everyday since your last video on it. I'm happy to see nothing has changed. Thanks again for all the great videos. I always look forward to what you have next.
Nice. Thank you sir.😎👊
Me too!
Both performed well. Thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸
Both good performing rounds, I do have some 9 silver tips and I agree they need to be a bit hotter, Thank You for the review
Interesting....the 9mm Silver Tip...the Miami Dade shootout.. the round that allegedly birthed the .40 S&W ...
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Paul Herrell has a video testing the old silver tips from back then, compared to the new ones. The new ones do perform better than the old rounds used during the Miami Dade incident. No reason to distrust the new production silver tips from what I've seen and tested myself. Old production ones are sketchy though.
@@nerenlivain545 That was a great video form Paul
The 10mm Auto was developed because of the Miami shootout, and the .40 S&W was developed because the FBI agents had problems with the 10mm Auto recoil.
I would prefer the 40 for my own use. Live in rural New Mexico and enjoy hiking. Have more confidence in the 40s deeper penetration and higher energy.
So glad to see this as these are ammo I see regularly see in my area only I prefer a 124 grin 9 mm not sure if available in Silvertip, even in rifle calibers Silvertip is a bullet that’s been around even my grandpa hunted with Silvertip and I am talking back pre 1960
Both performed very well but in a compact pistol like you are using I'll go with the 9 mm every time. Less kick and blast so follow up shots are faster. The 9 mm 115 grain Silvertip got a bad rap from FBI's Miami Shootout for under -penatration but it has improved since then. Thanks for another excellent review.
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Thanks, these look really good. The penetration was more than adequate and expansion was good for both.
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With all the 'modern' 9mm available to me, the ST 115 is what I carry off duty in a Sig 365 Macro X. Just always liked it and it looks good too. It's not the so called king of one shot stops, but that's why I have 15 more to follow the first and shot placement is key anyways. I think it got a bad rep in the FBI shootout and for off duty, where you're likely not going to shoot through barriers, it's just fine. The ST 185 .45 is also a good option for off duty. Another great video. Thanks.
Thank you sir. They did a great job here.😎👍
Love watching your 9vs40 vids! We need to bring 40 back!
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Both of those rounds would probably perform fantastic from a carbine or SBR. Thanks for another great video.
Very good to see. Encouraging results. These are definitely viable options for short or duty size. I really do like a bit heavier in both especially in 9. But not going to try to argue with success. Appreciate the good data & demonstration.
Yessir. I'll take a lighter one if it's a good one.😎👍
Awesome comparison. 👍👍 Good to see some .40.
You do a great informative session. You make it interesting
Appreciate that.😎👊
Thanks for another good test!
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They performed good and I agree, they should load them a little hotter. Another fantastic test brother tools
Thanks brother, I appreciate ya
I like your videos a lot. What gun I carry is an important decision to me, but when you show me what the bullet is doing, I think that's just as important or even more important. Thanks for the video, T&T.
Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊
Glad to see those 9’s performed well considering I picked up several boxes awhile back for $13.99 a box
This one is very interesting to me. One of the few times I have had a chrono available to me, I had some Winchester Silver Tip.👍 But I was shooting 180 grain (I think) 10mm, they averaged in the 1240's out of the 3.8" barrel of my 10mm. So this is one with a confirmed hotter load in 10mm. I will keep my eye open for some of the 9mm stuff.👍 They will be fun in the PCC's.😀
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Great Test T&T
I never "jumped" on the .40 bandwagon but after watching and studying on it I came to a conclusion.
The 9mm and .45ACP was designed 100+ years ago and did exactly what they were intended to do.
The .40 was designed with modern technology to do exactly what it does. 9mm and my beloved .45 was never designed to expand & penetration. New parameters call for a new cartridge I suppose.
Great test.
With the Silvertip on an indoor range you can see the bullet hit the target with good lighting. It is a silver streak.
Nice
The Silvertip usually does pretty good. I just biught some in 45 acp and 45 long colt.
There are two things I wish you would test but are hard to find. That is Winchester Ranger One in 45 acp (I just received a box of those too) and Gorilla Silverback solid copper 230 grain in 45 acp.
When you get a chance check Lost River Ammo Company. They have some interesting rounds.
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Great video 👍 keep em' coming
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Im shooting a bond arms 45 ACP. Them rip rnd did amazing
i carry these silver tips in my sw fpc great content tools!!!!
Silver mushrooms when most folks only find Dry Land Fish, ( Morel ) shrooms.
Nice test.
Keep'em coming!
Love your videos Tools 👍
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
Thanks Tools!
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Just great, useful info!
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Nice test. I like em both
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They both look good. Thanks.
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Silvertips are very good standard pressure rounds. They run in all my pistols including my Hi-Point 10mm. Good penetration and plenty of expansion in my book.
Yep. Usually decent priced too.
I'm guessing they are both bonded bullets. Both are winners in my book. Thanks or the video.
Good test good ammo good video Tools God Bless.
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You should try them again in longer barrels and see how that affects the expansion. I’d say they both performed well.
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Not bad at all! The silver tip has a reputation for shallow penetration in 9 mm. Good penetration this time.
Great presentation as always! And the correct answer, of course, is .357 magnum. 😉
40 S&W... more energy, for the win.
Yep
What use is the energy of an overpenetrating bullet?
@@BillHimmel So you're saying you prefer .380 over 9mm?
Loaded 200 rds 40 today
This video makes me regret selling off my gen3 Glock 22 in 40 for a gen5 Glock 17.
With the 9mm it is the speed that you're after. The Winchester 115gr +P+ That the Illinois State Police used has very good street credentials and a lot of you may not know it is the same 115 gr Winchester silver tip bullet. They just did not make it silver.
My agency we use the Winchester 115gr +P+ to a great extent. Never had any problems putting bad guys down.
The thing that I like about the 40 caliber is it does better against barriers such as windshield, glass and especially human bone where it will break it or go straight through.
The 9 mm is load dependent. I suggest stay away from the heavy 9 mm bullets. You do get the penetration but with the lighter weight and I would not go below 115 grain you get more energy in Target. Also understand you're not hunting human beings to eat them. So the lighter weight bullet destroys tissue better which you're not trying to preserve as if you were hunting an animal with four legs that is.
Our medical examiner noticed brain hemorrhaging and the perpetrators we shot more than likely due to the lightweight high velocity round. So in 9 mm I would say use these rounds.
Corbon 115 +P JHP
Federal 115 +P+
Winchester 115 +P+
Remington 115 +P
This is an interesting comment. So, you're suggesting the 115gr bullets I assume because they will be moving at higher speeds than the heavier ones. Also being +P or +P+ pushes them a little faster. I've heard elsewhere that very fast bullets(such as light .357 Mag) shred tissue more than slower ones. So, perhaps that happens with light 9mm +P+ to some degree too. Though when you mention brain hemorrhaging, was your medical examiner observing that happening from hits to the body with these rounds?
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An unfortunate situation happened with a bad guy holding a gun to a young female he was using as a shield. The officer shot the bad guy with one of the bullets hitting the forearm. The 180 grain Gold Dot deflected upwards killing the female.
It is shot placement that does the job not what speed or size of projectile