Why Traditional Chinese Got Simplified | All Talks Productions
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History of Taiwan
Today literacy rate in Hong Kong is 98% and 95% in Taiwan even though they use "harder" traditional characters.
Well, as mentioned in the video, many factors contribute to the literacy rate.
Also worth mentioning:
It has been estimated that well over 1 billion people uses simplified chinese; while Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau, which use traditional Chinese, only have a combined population of around 24 million.
1. Today is not 1950s.
2. How much effort and time does it take to get educated in Taiwan?
3. If they changed hieroglyphs to roman letters their education process could get as twice as more effective and less time consuming.
@@user-vb8iq1bs2v chairman mão wanted to switch to roman characters and use pinyin which is used to type in Chinese using an ASCII keyboard. But Stalin suggested he keep Chinese style characters for cultural reasons so he switch to simplified instead. Countries like Vietnam and Turkey have switched roman/latin characters when previously they used arabic and Chinese characters respectively.
@@abc123fhdi thanks for your answer. I didn't know exact details about that. I knew that Great Stalin and Mao were good friends thou.
China has MUCH more people to teach and more poverty
Seriously, please use some logic to think about it before posting comments
Besides, it was the CCP's idea, however the characters were designed by Chinese linguists, the simplifications actually make sense when you know how they are created.
You're generally correct. However, there is no difference in the literacy rate between the users of traditional characters (Taiwan/HK/diaspora) and simplified ones (mainland/Singapore). Neither is there any difference in the length of practice required to master it, as the overall number of characters remains practically the same. There really is no meaningful difference between memorizing the meaning of 5,000 pictures and 5,000 slightly less complicated pictures (and that is generous, because only a minority of characters were actually simplified, not even 50% by any count). Also, in many cases, such as 导，车，吴，轰 and so on, the logic of the character is lost for no palpable benefit. Basically if you're actually using brain to learn Chinese, it may be EASIER to learn traditional characters as they retain more of the underlying logic than the simplified ones.
The only (minor) advantage of simplified script is in handwriting and less strain on muscle memory, however today even this advantage is largely gone as in almost all situations and places except the school, the characters are typed and not written. Calligraphy still largely uses traditional characters, because they are simply more coherent, and caoshu is actually simpler than simplified characters themselves.
Some of them make no sense at all. Case in point is the 又 simplification. There is no rhyme or reason for which components got simplified.
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勤 is not even simplified desire despite having the same core component (雚) as 勸 (劝). If both characters were simplified using the same principle then they'd be identical, so one was spared. In the case of 乾 and 幹, we have two characters reduced to the previously existing 干.
够 was changed from 夠. Not even simplified, just rearranged!
It's like they left the simplification process up by middle schoolers!
the republic china already had the poan to simplify characters
As a foreigner, it is much easier to learn simplified Chinese than traditional Chinese. Also, I can barely read traditional Chinese characters when they're on a screen-everything is mashed together!
It's mostly Taiwan that made such argument while Hongkong would argue about "preserving Cantonese", both are crafted to create tension & separatist ideology...
As a Chinese descendant, although learnt only Sim.Chi. characters, a built-in automated switch to read Trad.Chi. characters without any issues, except the Zhuyin symbols, that's the same argument by Taiwan in forcing others through the throat that Sim.Chi. is faulty with various excuses but when they wanted to use simplified characters (even mixed with Japanese kanji), they have the exact same reasons... 台灣 instead of 臺灣, 左弯待転区, and these are only the official usage, not yet included various adopted characters that didn't even get into the CJK sets... '光夭', '丰又'...
This is gold-
China : I can explain this
Taiwan : Why you simplified my language ?
China : for developing you know, your one is darn hard to write
During my schooling days in Singapore, we had to learn Simplified Chinese as a second heritage language. It was pure torture, to say the least. My least favourite subject, right down there with PE.
Wah found A fellow singaporean sia
CVPIguy, 你攪錯咗，其實佢唔係新加坡人。
You haven't mentioned the dark side of the Traditional Chinese. Many of them were created at the Qin density, which made it harder to learn and the people will stay fool and uneducated. This is very good for the rulers. The same method had been applied all over the world.
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I am interested in this part, any source material?
@@winiy678 To be precise, it was in 1875 that the Qing Dynasty’s "Great Qing Dynasty Official Characters" stipulated some Chinese characters as standard characters; because the standard characters stipulated by the Qing Dynasty have many strokes, they are called traditional characters. Before the Qing Dynasty, there was actually no distinction between traditional and simplified, only common words. Originally, each Chinese character had multiple ways of writing, but the most stupid and complicated way of writing was chosen for the "Qing Dynasty Official Characters". Qing Huan changed and created characters many times, repeated changes and repeated creations, and it was so tossing. Starting from Kangxi in the Manchu Qing Dynasty, every once in a while, the "Qing Dynasty Imperial Characters" were promulgated to force subjects to obey, otherwise it would be a typo. -- Translated by Google
@@imperioespanol3778 He's too dense.
Underrated Channel with an enormous amount of quality
This was funny and educational 😂
Maybe you could talk about the second round of Simplified Chinese, and how that failed. It would be very interesting.
yea there were thousands of them and only one made it (橘 became 桔, both are official）
@@huahong3447 and unofficially the second simplified character 餐 , that probably count as the 1.5th that made it lol
This is brilliant!
A lot of brands still like to use traditional characters for logos etc most commonly China Eastern Airlines.
As long as it's Chinese, it doesn't matter it's traditional or simplified, or even the ancient "drawings".
...thats false
You are soooo underrated! I think you deserve more!
Thanks for the support mate. 🙏
@@AllTalksProductions no problem
Have you shared all the videos here with all people you know?
@@hyc1266 no
Simlified Chinese characters use for writing quickly such as taking note for lecture but for culture, traditional chinese characters is the best. So any publication or typing for public relations or any art of writing should be used by traditional chinese characters.
So which should I learn to read?
@@AwakenZen Traditional Chinese characters, sir.
@@steamtechnicolor461 Any resources you can recommend!
great video man, hope you do well in the future
Thanks for the kind words👍
Great Video :)
Yes by being simplified it made it easier for the broader public in China to study and increase the education level of the masses, however but under the CPP there was the 破四旧立四新; and even at one point Mao wanted to do away with Chinese characters all together but the Russians convinced him otherwise
Yes, back in the days, the following 3 options were considered:
1. Replacing Chinese with Esperanto
2. Replacing Chinese characters with romanization pinyin
3. Simplifying Chinese characters
In the end they went with option 3 because it was the most practical option.
@@Wuuujihh yea i guess that's why some say go to Taiwan to see the true China (since it still uses traditional)
不造谣，不信谣，不传谣
@@pingranjiang9063 别担心，共产党在中国媒体上已经隐藏了中国的真实历史。。。
@@Wuuujihh 毛泽东没想把汉字废了，这是个谣言。
Another banger video
Awesome new video!
Thanks for the support👍
1927 sping ~ June, 1934, the Ping Church once carried out rural education construction design in Ding County, Hebei. The Traditional Chinese literacy rate already rised from 17% to 61% then.
After KMT came to Taiwan and start focusing on running the country when a brief lull in the Chinese Civil War, Taiwan literacy rate rised from 41.1% to 60% in 2 years from 1952.
So I don't think simplified Chinese is an important factor affecting literacy rates, the main deal is still the stagnation of education level due to the long war. But well, it's still the result
This guys is obviously no expert. The clerical script was during the Qin, not the Han. He contradicted himself by saying the trend is toward simplification when his own example showed how the characters grew in complexity from the primitive oracle bone script to the complex characters of the small Qin seal script.
FYI: The heart （心）and the other component (夂) in the character for love （愛、爱）was replaced with 友 you3, meaning friend.
In terms of literacy, there's has never been any evidence that simplified characters played a role in increasing the literacy rate in China. The literacy rate in Taiwan as a matter of fact showed no less of an increase using traditional characters.
Thank you for your opinions and constructive feedback! We will try our best to improve on our next video! 🙏
@@AllTalksProductions when is the next video???
Thanks for saying what I wanted to say. So tired of people putting out videos when they obviously have no clue what they’re talking about.
Mainland China be removing heart from love. No wonder their CCP members have a lot of mistresses. It doesn't involve heart. 😂😂
They added the friend character to the heart character.
This is very unbiased and fun...
I don't care what anyone says, simplification of Chinese chars. were unnecessary and in some cases you still have to learn some traditional characters additionally.
Do they know there is something called "alphabet"? Like you can create an alphabet that represents the phonemes of the language and you can use it to make things easier. Using it like a Furigana in Japanese would've work. The funniest part is that there's actually an alphabet called bopomofo. And even if they don't use that alphabet, you have regions like Hong Kong and Taiwan where you can see a high literacy rate even if they use Traditional characters, so, the difficulty of those characters were not the main issue.
this whole explantion makes me laugh.....😅😅😅thank you for make laugh today❤
Looking forward to the next video.
Thanks for the support🙏
@@AllTalksProductions No new video for 8 months?
I didn't even mind that the voice was TTS
Need more content! Love these vids. ❤️
Funny out of all the examples you choose Flirting Scholor
Yea, probably not the best example, but c'mon it's Stephen Chow. 😂
@@AllTalksProductions True True especially some of the funniest part in the movie
You’re hilarious lol. Subscribed! Just wondering, what tool do you use for these animation?
Thx for the support! I use adobe after effects.
great video
Good content
谢谢你帮助我学习新事物
a little too politically leaning, but the curtural parts is true indeed. no hard feelings friends, simplified and traditional CAN coexist :)
although most of the mainland Chinese learnt simplified Chinese, they still have the ability of reading traditional Chinese (((
Malaysian Chinese, no problem for us to recognize simply or traditional. When u read enough mostly of the word got the format. It's not an issue to compare which better. 有家才有国，先团结自强。后造福全人类。这是我们几千年的文化智慧。华人持续分裂，只能掉入历史循环。无解无解无的解。民为先的都是强国。伤民的都会没落。这是几千年的不变规律。读文识字，多得是，明白真像，何其少。
good video but you need a better SFX library
Let us work on that, any recommendation?🙏
This video should be more viewed than that one other video you surely know. Truly heartless.
english may be a patchwork abomination of loanwords and contradictory rules, but at least the characters it uses can fit on a keyboard.
Errant was here
The Soviet government launched the simplification process of Russian language in 1918 right exactly due to the ultralow literacy rate of Russian nation. So, the Chinese government did the same thing and they were absolutely right to have done that.
And yeah, in Russia they still use old style letters and words, but just for fun or to imitate a business that takes its root more than a century ago.
To be fair, Japan did a spelling reform as well. Also Portuguese, my native tongue, kept having spelling reforms up until 2009 lol even French has had one, although minor. English is the odd one out, that doesn't update.
So any chance of going back to traditional characters now that literacy is high? It isn’t that much more complex than simplified.
In general, people who only learnt simplified Chinese can still understand 90% of sentences written in traditioanl Chinese.
However, in term of writing, simplified chinese is significantly easier and more convenient to write:
TC: 這遊樂園裡有隻螞蟻
SC: 这游乐园里有只蚂蚁
@@AllTalksProductions sure, but don't most people type pinyin on a computer/phone? learning and writing will be painful during schooling but post-school, most work is done electronically. I get the point of simplified but traditional is more elegant. if taiwan and HK use it, no reason mainland can't.
@@AllTalksProductions But in pulication or typing. I prefer traditional chinese characters.
@@steamtechnicolor461 With computer now, one can convert traditional to simplified and vice versa easily. Just a few clicks.
@@AllTalksProductions 憂鬱的台灣烏龜
What a bu... Literacy rate depends not on the characters themselves but education. I grew up in Hong Kong and we, and people in Taiwan and Macau, are using traditional characters very comfortably. The new generations that are all educated are at 100% literacy rate.
correct
When will mainland China return to use traditional chinese characters?
Never. When will Taiwan switch to simplified characters?
Just use the computer to switch to what ever forms you like.
@@hyc1266 And what's the point of that?
SteamTechnicolor, I also want to know when will Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau switch to simplified chinese characters?
@@user-rq7rv4qm1ewhy should they
2:34 the image is wrong, Mongolia was part of the Republic of China
I "likes" it, come on !
Dude what does it say? I cannot read
Well I know who are the last 3 percent or less🤣
The 80+ years old seniors
1:31 thats a bull
Mao did nothing wrong XD
The problem with Simplified is it breaks logic. Some are fine, some are not.
因为汉字有“六书”，大部分的汉字是“形声字”，简化字破坏汉字的道理。 例如： 饿的字，因为是形声字保留形旁和声旁。 可是别的没有道理。例如： “广” 是 广 ān， 草屋的意思， 但是繁体的字是“廣”， 有声旁的，是“黄”。 因此虽然简化字有的时候有道理，大部分破坏汉字的逻辑。
Majority character they use is character that very old, example 爱 is a very old character, but china make its harder by add xin so become 愛, other like 云 is older than 雲, and use like vulgar character and etc, but really, its doesn't really explain, and its still unlogical
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Chinese characters to not show an overall tendency towards simplification. That assertion was thoroughly debunked long ago. The appropriate word is "modification." The small standard script of the Wei-Jin evolved into more elaborate large standard Tang, both of which are more complex in structure and writing technique than the primitive oracle bone script. Zhang cursive script is more elaborate than its precursor clerical. Standard script characters in turn simplified portions of clerical script, such as the 辶radical, which was previously written using three to four separate strokes instead of the present two.
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It has oversimplified vibes, except Oversimplified is unbiased. It's sad
Yes, we admit that our video is less netrual than oversimplifed, we will work on it more on future videos. Still many thanks for you feedback🙏
Oversimplified is cringe.
Yeah! I don't like the word 'dragon' in simplified chinese character.
Therefore Taiwan is the true china
台湾不是国家。
😂 p̾r̾o̾m̾o̾s̾m̾
Would have been better without the vulgar examples. This is now inappropriate for younger audience, thus limiting its reach.
This is actually a pretty good point. We will work on it. 🙏
Heart was removed from love but was replaced wifh friend.
health is not removed, they use very old character love, 爱 is more older character than 愛
@@eridadues I was comparing it to the 愛 variant.
CPC not ccp
Thanks for the feedback. Will fix it in the future.🙏
it is CCP, chinese communist party