Andre 3000 Is Wrong & Finally Sounds Old
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- Andre 3000 stated in an interview with Complex that "“Rapping is like being a boxer,” André equates. “No matter how great you are or were at a certain time, the older you get, the slower you get-I don’t care who you are." Is the most innovative rapper ever sounding old? Jude and Justin debate.
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But if it's Andre y'all is just gon have to make amends...
Krishnan Sen best verse ever
Krishnan Sen my mind warps and bends floats the wind count to 10
highsociety Meet the twin Andre Ben welcome to the Lions den
Krishnan Sen original skin many men comprehend
I extend myself,so u go out and tell,sin all depends,on wat u believing in faith is wat u make it that's the hardest shit since MC Ren
Black Thought is 45. Just gonna leave this here.
Aubin Dyer facts and him and 3000 are in my top 5
Aubin Dyer Thought my sec fan mc of all time. Nas is 1 thought is 1a. Crazy he's 45..Wow
black thought is lowkey greatest of all time
Is black thought also Andre 3000? It's gonna happen to thought as well eventually just happened to Andre sooner man get over it. Basically all the man said is Father Time is undefeated which is true. As far as when one individual succumbs to that and how compared to another whatever man everyone gets their turn eventually and it's not optional. Maybe Black Thought lives a certain way that enables him to maintain what he's doing. Maybe Andre don't feel like doing all that just for YOU. He want to get this money and enjoy being older and more relaxed and I don't blame him one bit.
Calm the fuck down dude. Where in my comment did I say that Dre "MUST" continue rapping. I understand why he doesn't wanna do it anymore. If his heart's not in it he shouldn't keep rapping because it wouldn't be genuine. I agree with him on that. I just thought his comments seemed kind of generalized and blanketed. So all I'm saying is people like Black Thought and Method Man are in their 40's and still killing it. Hip-Hop shouldn't be a strictly young man's sport. You made a huge assumption of how I felt based on a 9 word comment.
It's so obvious: Rappers don't get worse because of age, they get worse cause they're not hungry anymore.
Basically
My mind is blown😵😵
Agreed. Big Boi still hungry and creative. Based on that (as well as his 4 solo albums): Big Boi > Andre 3000.
@@Mr.Majestic77 💯💯💯💯
@wings of a butterfly Dude what André said was just his opinion. You are talking as if everything André says is facts, which is a fallacy. It's not about hip hop knowledge. This guy is right, as rappers gain success the stop being as hungry, it's not because of age. Pusha T is 43 and can still rap his ass off. Black Thought is fucking 48 and he can still rap his ass off.
I find it funny that people just won't leave Andre alone lol. The man doesn't feel like he should be rapping at 40, let him be. He wants to do other things with his life, not be in the limelight all the time and spend time with his family. He enjoys rapping as a hobby now and I think it's cool. If he wants to only release a verse or feature every 5 year, so be it. But if Outkast releases a project soon that would be cool to. Let the man do what he wants.
He is doing what he wants. People just wanna drop their funky ass opinions because he isn't doing what THEY want.
I hear you. This is good.
Yeah true that, 40 is way out of today's game, there's bigger and better things
3000 spoke facts. As you age your interests change. All he's saying is rap is taking the backseat to being a father or an employee to a company. Rap is on the back burner and I commend him for not putting out trash and watering down his legacy.
"Youth is over valued in Rap Music"
Youth is over valued in American Society in general.
Too real
Japan and other countries have it right.
It's stupid Bc I can't even vibe with trendy young kids. Where's the artists for us.
We can't keep worshiping kids and start realizing older ppl are the best ppl we have. It's delusional. I'm 1000 times better than I was at 20 yrs old. I couldn't fuck, I couldn't play an instrument, why are we looking to infants to solve our problems like were helpless past 40? This shits ass backwards.
@@MavidG “I couldn’t fuck” what a strange thing to start with
@@nathanmcchristie3997 what would you have started with? I wasn’t good at it.
Andre's own ATL homie, Killer Mike is 42 and only getting better and better, Run The Jewels is the fucking TRUTH.
Exactly, I think El-P and Killer Mike bring out the best in each other. The way that Dre and Big Boi always brought out the best in each other.
Galactic123 and Big Boi been holdin it down
Andre is right, what the fuck is big boi and killer mike doing, they embarrassing themselves
Mike Marion so you haven't heard RTJ?
ladydontekno yes I️ have, it’s EDM rap trash
Stankonia is better then Aquemini? Justin smokes that good recreational.
Dante Fiero I Do!!! Ha!
The Company Man I agree
The Company Man completely agree tho, I've been debating this a lot with friends but stankonia is easily their most creative too
@Trevour i'm going to have to totally disagree Aquemini is Kast at their creative peak!
Dante Fiero yea man. Dude bugging lol
"It never really mattered too much to me
That I was just too damn old to emcee
All that really matters is if your rhymes was ill" -MF DOOM
Milo Hempel *Great Day
Means you should listen to both more
ThePyronator I've listened to madvillainy to death man 😆 rookie error is all
How you gonna say Stankonia is better than the first 3 OutKast albums
It's just too inconsistent. Aquemini has Mamacita, but otherwise it's straight fire from start to finish. Stankonia has its share of misses.
Justin is clueless
Moving Mamacita was slappin
No word about it...Southernplaya, ATLiens, and Aquemini are no brainers....easily three of the best hip hop albums ever....lyrics were clean and relatable, but still creative, witty, profound. Southern opened our eyes, ATLiens was ahead of its time, and Aquemini was its peak, the other albums were extensions of those....to me.
bobby seale Well said my man. Could not have worded it any better.
I don't think 3k means he is getting slower or wacker , I think he meant that the older you get the more the younger demographic can't relate to you. The spotlight will eventually fade away with age and ppl won't look at you the same way they did b4. fans constantly want to hear something new shit. everyone likes the new kid whose full energy doing wild shit. its not about getting slower , its that ppl some ppl eventually will lose interest.
MazlTV the way Justin explained the quote it sounded like a direct remark on the individuals's ability as they age, not really an observation of the culture and the youth's interest
It sounds more pessimistic to me. I mean, Jayz haven't slowed down but changed his angle. He works with the mewer generation. He keeps experiencing and therefore continue to have more to say. I get where Stacks is coming from but that pessimism is a real killer. People would've wanted to hear him. But I wont say he isn't justified in his decision.
donnell outlaw He’s going through shit
Only ppl that have no real value and substance lose interest. The greats are TIMELESS... It’s just ppl with low standards of quality that hop on new shit simply because it’s new. That’s why we have this fuck shit that is supposedly music now.
Andre 3000 got that "Eddie Murphy" curse. He doesn't want to drop a project because he fears that it's not good enough. The same as Eddie who quit stand up in fear that he'll bomb. I've heard him say this in an interview.
Jamma* Wun word
You were right 2 years ago! Dre just confessed to exactly what you said!
Shawn Kemp Eddie Murphy is back baby!
@Shawn Kemp around most? Duh. Around any rapper one can name? Nah.
the rap game is oversaturated... to many artists, very few art. I understand why someone wouldn't want to be in an industry full of clowns. and the people who run the industry are evil and weird. Andre made classics...... enough for us to enjoy and appreciate. He has a life outside of music and entertainment. my fav Oukast albums are Aliens, Southernplayalistic.....,Aquemini, then Stankonia. You can miss me with the rest of it (love below)........
Billy Woods Know Unknow.
Check it out one the very rare creative hip hop albums
The love below is guan greatest work in my opinion it's worth a listen it's unlike any other hip hop album
Love Below is a top 100 album bruh
I went to a DJ Premier concert 2 weeks ago and the crowd was anywhere from 18 to 55. It was a beautiful thing. The 50 year olds were turning up just as hard. It gave me hope as an aging hip-hop nerd
A Tribe Called Quest is a perfect example of older artists that still have it in hiphop. They hadn't made a new album in almost two decades and they came back with straight fire!!!
Duals We got it from here 2016
ATCQ and Andre are timeless, I still havent heard a bad verse from 3 stacks
Rap is like golf, you get better with age, not worse. Andre's just not hungry anymore.
Not necessarily. A lot of hip-hop artists eventually run out of steam when they get older and their lack of hunger usually causes them to put out subpar music like Eminem, Prodigy (R.I.P.), Mos Def, DMX, Snoop Dogg, or Jay-Z (at least until 4:44). There are some exceptions like Royce da 5'9, Scarface, Black Thought, and Killer Mike, but hip-hop is mostly a young man's game and the youth (for better or worse) determine which direction hip-hop is going.
If u stay working u stay sharp period
This make me sad....
Nothing left to prove. His run is over and he's satisfied at what he accomplished.
Ronnie White I disagree. If you're considered a top 5 hip-hop artist, you should have some solo material to prove that you can do well as a stand alone artist. Big Boi already has 3 solo projects and has proved that he can do well without Andre, but Andre still has yet to put out a solo rap album. Andre is definitely a legend and has great verses on all those Outkast albums, but can he carry an entire hip-hop album on his own? We'll never know until he puts it out.
Compare Q-tip's rhymes from the first tribe project to his flow on the latest, his latest solo work or his feature on Thank You. I'm not saying one era of q tip is better than the other but there's a clear improvement in technical ability.
Felix Thank You saw impeccable performances from all tribe members.
Justin you the homie but in what universe is the love below better than Atliens? Atliens is the best outkast album
TreFKennedy you have too lool at emotional depth, instrumentation and how risk it is. The range of their later albums were more universal because they made art for a bigger fan base. Their earlier projects were more so for hip hop heads and the sheltered culture that was indie hip hop. At the time at least.
Views Media you aren't wrong either lol
TreFKennedy no no no no no no no no no no no no aquemini is their best rounded album,the album that made niggas go "dayum andre just might be the greatest ever"
Lol decatur psalm is so underrated that shit like a gritty southern crime narrative presented in a realistic way
MF DOOM is a grandpa and dopest rapper alive
9 classic albums he dont need to
Oceanrust4 try out k-rino the dude dropped 7 albums last year all of them are worth a listen
let me guess those 3 madvillainy mm food and operation doomsday
all of his most mainstream albums
Oceanrust4 Vaudeville Villain, Take Me To Your Leader, and Born Like This are all fucking fantastic as well
great doesn't mean classic
*I always looked at Rapping like Martial Arts, so age isn't really a factor cause what you lose in raw power you gain in technique and enlightenment*
RJ Foyles homerun
Love that bro
Andre 3000 went from I'm hungry let me eat the rap game to my belly hurts I ate too much rap it tastes like shit.
Perfect analogy
I'd say he's full.
Spot on
Mr Ortega omg you made me laugh
Lol
Andre 3000 has obviously never heard of Royce Da 59. A 40 year old in the game, potentially one of the current best rappers on the planet. Being old in the rap game has nothing to do with declining quality, case in point 4:44. One of the best albums of the year, made by a nearly 50 year old man. That's my verdict. Keep it coming Justin.
potentially the best*
Run the Jewels is killing it and Killer Mike and El-P are both over 40
ConnorPB andre just dont want to make a solo album cuz he know that shit would be booty af.
ConnorPB Dont forget E-40 guys!!
Andre is Andre, he's not Royce.. he's his own man. Thats how he feel about him in the rap game. But he does feel every artist don't get better when you get in ur 40s. We all know Jay is not better than his young things.
"When white people discovered Outkast" - Rude Jude
1. Aquemini
2. ATLiens
3. SounthernPlayaListic
4. Love Below
5. Stankonia
6. Speakerboxxx
7. Idlewild
Edit: I had to reorder Stankoinia
Antoine Ferrell i agree with this list so much!!!! Exactly
@Antoine Ferrell, hit the nail on the head my exact ranking!
Black Thought [aka possible GOAT) Royce, RTJ ALL prove this dead wrong. Andre is just worried he can't keep pumping out super dope bars. So he stays where it's comfortable..
Joe Joey Spilzwell Volpe I don't think he needs to worry about being amazing. It's a quantity over quality game these days. He just doesn't want to do it anymore.
Seriously, Andre has nothing left to prove. He's legendary.
Black Thought doesn't have a SOLO album out either...Always been so loyal to the Roots and collabs with other MCs...I always felt he had a dope story to tell and hope he can drop a solo project to just highlight him. He is underrated because of his social commentary and loyalty to the group effort!!! Integrity and constant improvement is a rare trait in this rap shit, and BT is one of the few. Royce has did a complete 180 for his career. Let go of the drugs addiction and is really crafting better songs to complement his lyrical ability.
Black thought the goat?☠
Joe Joey Spilzwell Volpe .nah bruh i know him personally its far from that on any given he could blow ya mind (atomic bomb) . like the bro said he wants to focus on other things he just made a stargate type movie for the sci fy channel. Its nothing even when it comes to the rappers of today he stated and i quote " I remember when they thought what we was doing wasnt hip hop enough, But what is hip-hop? And expression of self and representation of your city neighborhood etc( rep ya hood) that we did so i dnt deny these young kids coming out this is what they going through and this is where they at wit it. I believe there's room for every1". These are his exact words on the state of hip hop right now. He's gracious and humble but he will never be put in any type of box.
Busdriver is 39 and putting out his best albums yet.
Aesop Rock is 41 and putting out his best albums yet.
Jay-Z is 47 and just put out one of his best albums.
Killer Mike and El-P are both 42 and Run the Jewels is taking off in a way neither of them ever did when they were younger.
Kanye West is goddamn 40 and still commanding critical and commercial attention.
Ghostface Killah is 47 and still putting out great albums.
Oh and if Andre meant "slowing down" literally, Twista is 43 and still going fast as ever and doing a million features.
And this is just the shit I listen to, as a 26 year-old. I know there's old-school guys still around who people still love.
Word
Preach
I'm 11 and I love 80s and 90s rap!
I see Jude's point that he doesn't want to see 3 Stack's trying to make some money by rapping about some bullshit or collabing with Lil Yachty to remain relevant. To your point though this is art. In my opinion Andre 3000 doesn't want to continue rapping due to personal reasons. Something has changed his mind to the point that he doesn't want anything to due with the music industry or rap game period. It's too bad since his music is the soundtrack to my 7th grade life. Speakerboxx/ Love Below going Diamond was justification that I was listening to some dope shit at a young age!
i would actually love to hear a Lil Yachty and 3 Stacks collab
Scott Markotich Andre LOVES Yachty and vise versa don't joke on this. Yachty when he actually tries to rap uses a 3 Stacks flow. It would totally happen if they wanted to
each sale of that album counted as 2- they didn't REALLY. sell 10 million
smokythecameraman 2 albums sold 5mill that were released together. So what?
smokythecameraman I can't remember because I wasn't thinking bout buying albums or album sales at the time but, if it was distributed like a double disc then it counts. If fans had to buy them separately then that don't count. But I remember it being a double disc.
You're right Justin. It's not boxing. It's art. In every other art form , especially written form, pen game, poetry and novels, their celebrated. Some of the best works are often at the end.The same reason I listen to what Nas had to say at age 19 is the same reason I'd listen to what Nas has to say at 70, to hear his observations of the world. What it is to be a grandfather, and a black man growing old in America in 2042. or Jean Grae's last rhymes describing an America we haven't seen yet. I want to hear great MCs, talk about what life is like at the end. They don't have to stay stagnate or even tour. If knees, and polyps make it hard to tour, just create. They just have to create and express their vision and observations. David Bowie created his last album released at age 69, transcribing how he was dealing with dying of cancer and showing us the afterlife. I'd love to hear what Rakim would write on his death bed, about his final thoughts on the world, and whats next..A great MC is a great MC no matter the age. You're right Royce and Killer Mike, are only getting better. 3 stacks is burned out. He's given us plenty. I don't an album from him or an Outkast album. I am fine with occasional guest verse. The idea that he feels theirs a time limit to his thoughts is depressing, because he is timeless. You don't have to conform to trends, just create, from the heart. If mumble rap can be an offshoot of hip-hop, their can be a more mature, articulate Hip-Hop looking at the passage of life. As long as your still thinking about the world, and observing, their is no reason your best album can't be your last one. The idea black art shouldn't age and black artists shouldn't create as they age, is a dangerous thing to propagate. Why survive past 25 then? When you dont want to hear what Tupac had to say at 70, your saying its better to be silent or die, then stay alive and share what you've learned. Love your videos, and insights Justin.
Exactly. Hip hop isn’t just for young people, and their viewpoints shouldn’t be the only ones heard in hip hop. I don’t know why hip hop should be considered competitive when it’s really an art form and a culture.
Stacks didn't say you can't rap anymore, he said you slow down. Slowing down in the sense of growing in a direction opposite of the commerically accepted industry. In Stacks' case, the substance per bar and shear passion that he has given is truly unparalleled and frankly under-appreciated. Offering 5 times the content and delivery than the excepted industry standard and your value to the culture is up for debate? How long can that continue to go on, or rather how long should it? With virtually nothing left to prove or challenge yourself with regarding rapping for the past 10 years or so, when is one able to exit or change lanes. There is still a body of work there of substance to delve into. Just because he's still breathing doesn't mean he owes anything else to hip-hop, regardless of whether or not he has it to give (and he does have it). As mentioned in the discussion, hip-hop is scrutinized far more by it's "fans" than other genres. It's almost like being expected to serve a 5-star meal for a 2-star price and receive no tip, no appreciation. Who wouldn't be exhausted from that over and over?
Xavier Oliver I feel u and I agree. But we can't forget how hard andre reps Atlanta. Its easier for an artist from another region to release mature records. But for andre to want to fully embody Atlanta right now he may be too old for "trap/migos" type shit
Xavier Oliver u know what, I'm replying to the wrong comment lol
Andre is what I call an evolutionist. Andre dropped so much 🔥 he burnt it out, and has gladly accepted the evolution path he’s taken.
And Bra absolutely OutKasts albums 1-3 are epic.
I think rap is much more comparable to punk rock as far as the live setting goes. Both feed a ton off of energy to make the show entertaining. That level of energy is just tough for some 40+ to do (though I think there are rappers who can definitely do it just as good, or better, than when they were young). They just have to have the hunger, drive, and passion. Killer Mike is the best example IMO.
Rock n' Roll and RnB live shows can get by on the technical abilities that make them entertaining, whether it's a ripping guitar solo, drum solo, or soaring vocal performance.
I like how you articulate your point. Good thing Hip-Hop and RnB has grown and has it's own sub genres. i'm sure 3 stacks can find a place in the music
Skygooose Andre 3000 just doesn't want to make music anymore... people are reaching to far
We arent talking about Andre specifically. We are just talking about hip-hop in general and why there are less touring 40+ year old rappers than other genres.
Skygooose Lmao stop acting like you made up that opinion yourself you got that shot from Fantano
Tech N9ne is the King of the live performance in hip hop imo, impressive as hell especially at his age.
I think what Andre meant was that he doesn't think older rappers can consistently drop dope albums. For example, do you think Royce's next 5 projects are all gonna be great? Probably not. All artists, regardless of age, can make a bad project but as you get older it'll be more difficult to maintain an audience and still grow artistically.
Ok Justin first time I disagree. First three outkast albums killed period.
But I agree with the older you get the better you get. Best example is Jay z or Royce.
zislec I don't think Jay is a good example, maybe replace him with Black Thought or Elzhi
tropojay1 i Said jay because jay dropped 444. and everybody is talking about it. But sure when you look at it from straight bars perspective I agree with you.
zislec lmao if u honestly believe that the average rapper gets better at making music with age then you are definitely mistaken
King Kwe elzih, black thought, jay, Royce average? Nigga you tripping
😂
"The average rapper" as in, only standouts get better with age.
Come on justin, love below can't touch aquemini
Omar Diál your crazy it's closer than you think
The Love Below is like TPAB before TPAB. Just take away all the political themes from TPAB, replace it with an overarching theme of love and sex, take away a tiny bit of the small Funk and Trap influences and instead place some more Prince influences then you've got The Love Below.
The way it mixed Hip Hop with Jazz and live instrumentation like that was dope. Not many albums sounded like that at the time. Plus the way Andre stepped out of his comfort zone and went real far left with his use of his voice could definitely be compared to Kendrick. Anyway fuck the TPAB comparison, it's a dope album in its own right. Maybe I only feel so strongly for it because I really like music that scrutinises and explores the emotion of Love but imo The Love Below is a masterpiece and Andre 3000 really meshed into that sound perfectly without sounding like an imposter. Dope album only overlooked because of its timing and because it wasn't the album as a duo fans had wanted for Outkast.
Omar Diál I strongly disagree...
That's interesting to me. Hip Hop head since age 14, 44 now. Seen & heard many of great MC's & rappers that gave me a lifetime of fond memories. De La Soul, A.T.C.Q, Cormega, Wu, Redman, Masta Ace, ...etc...just a few that found their niche to keep pushing. I recall hearing similar words from Q-Tip about having nothing new to write about when Tribe parted ways. Maybe the pressure of not knowing what people may like & one want it to be organic, despite feeling the need to oblige contracts & force the art.
Big Boi still holding me down & he expanded his boundaries but that core still shinning to me. He starts his "Boomiverse" album off w/Big Rube finishing the 1st track. Always dug hearing this man's thoughts, refreshing. Big Boi plus Organize Noize, live musicians, mixture of genres, & the only thing missing from this is atleast an Andre feature. Dre been killing these other features but so called contracts & creative differences keeps them separate, man who knows. Andre kind of reminds me of a Lauren Hill & I could see one major solo album from him reaching similar heights & range.
All I have left to say is, the first three OutKast albums was & still is, classics to me. The rapping, singing, live instruments, scratching, lyrics, & Big Rude spoken words(my all time favorite is hearing insightfulness from this cat perspective, highly regarded.) ...etc...My words can't convey my full thoughts but that Dungeon Family click is my top favorite collective. Always wish Andre & Cee Lo would bring a little more of that fire from their hay day. I fully overstand artistic growth. Thanks for sharing all your talents as an collective force, got damn shit was out the park. If your art ever comes out I'll support(CDs/DVDs/concerts & otherwise). All I ask is just love what you do, own your art, & don't sell out ones soul...Love out to all true arts & artists...
Justin looks hurt on this one...I feel his pain though, Andre's excuse doesn't make sense.
Ahmed S.A I AM HURT!!!! 3Stacks has always been ahead. On this point, he's way behind.
I respectfully disagree. It isn't about art it's about desire. That, "chip" isn't there. I'm hurt too Justin. He's in my top five it hurts that he doesn't want to make music. Cee-Lo doesn't rap. Lil Wayne isn't rapping. Tupac is dead. I feel your pain bro. Tears dropped today. BTW, Snoops album newest stuff in very bad.
Ahmed S.A When has Andre ever made sense. We want Andre to, make the ART again. Because we're not ready break up. Myself included
Most artist, rappers included, are most creative when they first come out. This is because they have been struggling, hustling, preparing for this moment. Unless they are truly invested and look for inspiration and motivation they don't get better as time goes on. They may get more technical and learn a few new tricks but the creativity level typically goes down. There are obvious exceptions of this.
What Andre is saying is he doesn't have that motivation and doesn't have any new ideas for creativity. It's a young persons game because they are hustlin trying to be new and different (typically) than the people before them.
Yeah true, but the issue here is that he said rapping is like boxing and EVERYONE gets slower with age. If he's unmotivated he should just say so and stop disrespecting those still doing it.
Has anyone took time to consider Andre's statement is coming from a place of insecurity. He may have thought about releasing new content, but never did due to the overwhelming changes and trends of hip-hop. This might be his way of telling us he doesn't know how he fits in with today's culture. Just a thought.
Yeah it's a new style and he's a realist , he won't change himself for anything
Outkast: first 3 albums are the best, PERIOD!! JT is outta his mind!!
Andre was talking about touring and putting together an album as an older man, Andre knows he got bars...but bars are just part of the package. You got promotion, business dealings...who wants to do that if they don't have to?
Imma quote his Solo verse
"So low that I am no rookie but feel like a kid
Lookin' at the other kids
With astonishment while I'm on punishment
Watchin' the summer come close to an end
After 20 years in, I'm so naïve
I was under the impression
That everyone wrote they own verses
It's comin' back different and, yeah, that shit hurts me
I'm hummin' and whistlin' to those not deserving
I've stumbled and lived every word
Was I working just way too hard?"
he doesnt sound like hes in a great place and confident in his musical ability anymore to me, perhaps even feeling cheated out... quite ironically, hearing him rap about those type of feelings and whatever else hes got roaring inside of him on an album would be the most amazing stuff ever
I dont know, maybe Dre didnt hear Hovs album yet when he made those statements, who knows, he might get some inspiration from it
What if Kendrick said that. "I don't wanna be a 30 year old rapper."
TATERxTOT then he would've retired a little over a month ago.
Thats exactly how Im thinking, like nobody is gonna be like "his old ass is dropping another album? what is he like 31?" when Kendrick announces his next album, it will actually be his most hyped album ever with all of his mainstream success now
TATERxTOT he's like 29 right now if he said that id catch a asthma attack 😫
Nelson Charles nah he in his 30s now
Nelson Charles he's 30
15:10 he's starting to sound like Andre 30
I think my neighbors heard me laugh at that
Does Andre really think he's slowing up? His work says otherwise. All of his features are incredible. Any time he drops a verse it could be argued for verse of the year.
13th Floor/Growing Old
Justin clearly never never heard "Babylon" talking bout emotional depth smh.
Andre has definitely gotten better as he has got older.
Aquemini lacks emotional depth?! That is one of the BEST albums of ALL TIME!! It's easily their best and, arguably, hip-hop's best.
am i the only one who looks at Speakerboxxx (Big Boi)/The Love Below (Andre' 3 Stacks) as solo albums? justin smoking on something to say The Love Below is better than ATLiens.i agree the first 3 kast albums are their best works which one is "the best" is interchangeable just depends on the opinion of the individual, in my opinion "the best" kast album is Aquemini but i can see why others may like ATLiens or Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik better i wouldn't argue with them.
Vinyl&Kicks86 on itunes i have them as separate solo albums
@dannio m, i wasn't really to crazy about Speakerboxxx but i think The Love Below is a classic i also don't consider it a Hip Hop album.
@PowdaToastFace Killah, naw we can agree to disagree like i said i look at it as a 3 Stacks non Hip Hop solo album.i really enjoy The Love Below and highly praise it but it doesn't compare to ATLiens in my opinion.
The Love Below is a pretty decent and creative Pop/RnB album. ATLiens is a Hip-Hop classic. There is no comparison.
Im 37 KRS-One is one of the best performers I seen when i was younger and my current age
HELL NO. Stankoina can't fuck with Aquemini or Atliens (super dark and moody definitely emotional depth.). Stankonia (although an amazing album) was actually the album where you could hear the tension of creative conflicts starting to rise and felt less cohesive.
NOWDAZE decatur psalm alone proves yo point that shit is a masterpiece maybe not a fun club hit but atliens had more depth than a volcano LOL
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And everything that we took from the warehouse, I heard somebody talking bout it at the white house
Biggins YOU TELL HIS FOLKS THAT IM SORRY ABOUT THAT LEXUS!
NOWDAZE stankonia was very deep. Humble Mumble.
ATLiens is my favorite,it was lyrical warfare between Dre and Big Boi
That phone call sounds crisp as fuck. He's got like a 7G phone service.
you telling me i can be king of hip hop, but they wouldn't give it to Andre 3000?
Elzhi is 39 years old and arguably dropped his best project 'lead poison' last year. He's an artist that's progressed throughout his career and the newer stuff sounds the best. Imo.
1. Aquemini
2. ATLiens
3. Stankonia
4. Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
5. Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
6. Idlewild
It's all about subject matter and approach. I mean you don't rap like your 20 when your 40 . You have to speak about more mature things.
This is blasphemy. I didn't even watch this video I just had to say this. Andre 3000 is a legend and beyond! Fact. 💯
You say that 3stacks saying being old most likely means you're going to slow down...yet right in the title you're using "sounding old" as if being old is synonymous with bad. Which is it?
Andre is known for saying the opposite of what he means in interviews. If he says he's done Outkast is probably working on a new project.
Rappers use to reach their prime in their early to mid twenties now it seems to be there late twenties to early 30s drake kendrick cole Ross Danny Sean you have to age with your audience rap your age as long as the content connects
I hate that Andre3k keep sayin this negative shit all the time about aging in rap....rap is an art form....don't stop painting because you age..if anything you should be better at it and explore more topics and come up with more concept albums.
if u or someone going through something rap about it...even at 45....make a story around it....
The majority of the population that's not over 45 grew up on rap....so age is not going to exist in the next 10 yrs for rap cuz dudes gonna be performing at 50 like how metallic perform heavy metal now at 50!
it's important that they perform because we need to embrace our genre history like other people do the other genres they like.
Now i will say..if u feel like somethin aint up to par....drop a little somethin on the fans and see what we say and go from there...if u feel like u are going to drop a dud and pull somethin over ur fans eyes...DONT DROP IT lol
Create Alot most relevant comment of this discussion.
Create Alot you got it twisted you see andre is right just like any other sport the young prosper the old typically lose it. you think football players dont wish they were young and still able to compete. Now andre may be able to write forever but the drive to perform and be the greatest just isnt there as you get older and mature you move on from things that are for the young people. Doesnt mean he has to stop making music but he knows he will never be what he was and 90% of old people cant accept or understand that message lol. He's always been wise beyond his years and I'm glad he tells it how it is. Rapping is for the youngins pass the torch.
You summed it up right there "Doesnt mean he has to stop making music"
I don't care about him being the greatest to other people...let the kids fight over that...I just want him to continue making music..that's all. Andre was going to STOP making music because of his age...i dont want him to stop. Compete against who? I'm getting older and have my own style i dont compete against these young guys no more I dress like me...some ppl like it...some ppl dont. Same with Andre 3k and his music. Big Boi ain't stop making music. Big Boi 3 solo albums deep and from the looks of it he just pleasing his fans and doing shows from it...nothin wrong with that. He ain't trying to beat younger guys like Kendrick.
I'm tellin u this rap shit need a change...ur going to turn 30 one day ur going to turn 40 one day...lol...music grows like u. Ur fans grow like u...and when someone doesn't know what to do in certain life situations when u got no father, mother, siblings, or friends...it's good to hear someone else take in a song....I think people still look at rap as a gimmick in a way...especially now since these younger guys in it like uzi vert.
I don't see how a older rapper cant make a song about losing his daughter to a dude that aint about shit? And put a funny twist on it at the end so it like the official father love for daughter anthem??? it dont gotta get crazy radio play...but it's real and fathers can relate to it...It can have like some Flashing Lights beat, it doesnt gotta be wacky and goofy like a SNL skit. Open ya mind...this our culture and yall mutha..acting like yall cant get down cuz yall aging lol...yea we went to clubs in our 20s..but people 40+ yrs old go to cabarets...same damn thing..almost lol
So glad I found this channel. You make great content, Justin! I 100% agree with you on Andre. He could do something totally new and fresh. A solo album would be amazing but I guess he just doesn't have the drive. It's sad from our perspective but if he's enjoying a different lifestyle, not much else to say.
DMX is the ONLY hip hop PERFORMING ARTIST !!!!! That's why bono told Kanye, you have to make ARENA MUSIC or your career will be short..... rap is YOUTH!!!!! If you want to become a rapper at an old age you have to come in as an Orchestrator.... like DIDDY or DJ KHALED or DRAKE...... Hip POP records that are timeless ...
Just realized this video was 30 minutes...been chilling on the toilet for about 20 lol keep up the good work.
Did this fool say that stankonia is better than the first 3 CLASSICS?!!!! ATLIENS is the greates ALBUM of all time.....not just hip hop but best ALBUM FROM ANY GENRE!!!!#
He said rappers get slower. Thats 100 percent true. but we as grownups grew with these artists and we have slowed as well in my opinion.
Black Thought disproves this. On the subject of the interview, Andre is starting to get on my nerves. The way he speaks on hiphop like it's kid shit is disrespectful to the culture. The reason why people won't consider it a legitimate form of music is because of people who have a thought process like him
TheAngryj André never said anything in that vain. André talks about himself as someone who doesn't have anything to add to the game and how hip-hop is for the young people with fresh ideas.
It hurts even more because he's got potential to create and even spearhead the creation of a section of "grown-folk" rap, like Jay-Z's "4:44". Killer Mike goes against what André says because he's bigger than he's ever been with "Run The Jewels". Even 2 Chainz is getting buzz despite going into his 40's.
TheAngryj Andre meant that like any other profession, you gotta eventually pass the torch to the coming generations, never said anything about it being a "kid's game"
TheAngryj nah its the lyrics in hip hop
He sounds like he outgrew int or some shit, and I respect his decision, but I don't like him just now saying he doesn't want to be an old rapper, that would have been fine if you had been rapping with any consistency for the past 15 years...btw 3 stacks is somewhere between 1-4 on my all time list, it's all love
Writers in any genre usually get better with age. I think Andre just doesnt want the pressure of competing with his own past material. It seems more like he doesnt want to sully his legacy at this point. He put off making another album for too long.
It ain't just the age, 'Dre. It's the inactivity. In your prime years, you were pretty chiseled as an MC. But then you decided that you outgrew this rap shit, so you stopped working out as much. Now you're back in the rap game, and metaphorically speaking, you got a bit flabby. It happens.
This type of shit isn't exclusive to the rap game. You might start off with a massive vocal range, but then as years go by, some octaves wound up getting shaved off. Ask Mariah Carey. Ask Maxwell, who had to re-key "This Woman's Work" because he lost some of his range, too (and was also inactive for a bit like 'Dre).
You're telling me Aquemini doesn't have emotional depthhhhh. My useless 2 cents as a 17 year old who only listened to Outkast in retrospect, but Aquemini is their greatest album. And that's with the love below being the only one album I even have any living connection to. I mean of course I still think he's capable of an amazing album if he's up to it. In my opinion the dude is the greatest rapper of all time, but if he thinks he should never release an album, then so be it because the features he's giving us are still amazing and I would never want to see his catalog sullied.
Josh a no ones telling you that.
The debate makes Andres statement true, there is an era that your fans say are the best years
I recently watched N.E.R.D live. Pharrell is way over 40 and he worked up the whole crowd in a way that I’ve never seen before, he danced on the stage, got us all to sing along, it was phenomenal! And although it’s not pure rap, N.E.R.D songs include a lot of rap elements
EMOTIONAL DEPTH
Shout out to the production crew. The sound quality of Jude's voice is incredible for being a call-in. Great episode!
This Emotional Depth just gets funnier. Its good Jude has someone to really challenge his ass on shit now. Sear never did that. Keep it up Justin
The getting old reference is geared more toward the drive to do so, rather than any lyrical deficiencies manifesting within his skill set... His hunger to dominate the game has morphed into other realms of creativity, so the massive amounts of energy he once dedicated to the booth are now earmarked for elsewhere, and he's more than cool with his legacy!!! A person of his critical acclaim & accomplishments need not chase the dream anymore, because he has lived it!!!
30:14 this girl is so lost haha KRS1 still rocks the shows. My cousin went to one at the Observatory in OC and he was rocking crowd like I have never seen!
Everyday Flex Point saw him 2 years ago. I concur. He's still a beast.
21 always listening to old Rap more than new. Half these old rapper still showing up the young . Never to old to spit Fire
Aquemini and ATLiens have WAYYYY more depth than The Love Below. Is this dude serious? No song on The Love Below touches Liberation or 13th Floor/Growing Old.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 YES!!! Liberation is arguably my favorite song of all time. I STILL get chills every time I hear it, even after listening to it at least once a week for the past 20 years.
Needless to say, Aquemini is my favorite album of all time, across every genre. It is a MASTERPIECE. 🎤
Your energy changes! That's what slows down. It's not that you lose skills. That's what 3 Stacks is saying. Considering Andre never liked touring and all that, I can totally see what he means.
i love you justin but Stankonia over Aquemini? nah dude haha
Big thing in the culture too is Hip Hop trends change so quickly. Something can be hip right now and played out 6 months later. Hip Hop is the NFL when it comes to youth. When you're not in your prime you'll get cut with no guarantee contract
Dude you both high
Bro I swear I was thinking the same thing haha they just seem off today ya know
@the company man... Nothing about the quote is stating that he can't write well after 40.. the quote used the words "getting up there".. is it possible that he's simply talking about performing and putting together a full project. .
aquemini
ATLiens
stankonia
love below
southerplaylist
idlewild
Matt Traverso speakerboxxx/love below
EL MF JEFE i know
Matt Traverso i can't believe southernplaylist is not rated high. Man almost every song on the album is classic.
Jose Luna ill admit i haven't listen to it enough
Matt Traverso man d.e.e.p., ain't nor thang, hootie hoo, players ball, and the title track are all fucking gold.
I don't like how he saying that he doesn't want to be rapping in his 50s when he wasnt even rapping in his 30s
Yeah, but too bad Andre's claim doesn't apply to himself
On Andres defense, he has being saying this since like 2005. He is actually being consistent. The problem is that while he was clear that he wouldn't be making Hip Hop he said that he would still be making music.
rap is the only genre where as long as you can breathe speak and think you can keep going...rappers dont need to hit the right note and pitch they dont have to play instruments they just need to be able to speak and walk the stage. Rappers should still make music because their fans age with them and our lives change yes you wont make young music but your music will fit your age bracket as long as life is relevant and I think your music will touch the younger people as they grow older. rap is the only genre that can stay consistently parrallel. the other genres basically only sing of love and heartache..hip hop is like having a convo in a barber shop it can be on anything
Harvi Dent fucking facts yo
Except the older generation doesn't have the time and energy to find your music, go to concerts, etc. Also if you stay parallel for long enough people get tired of the repeat.
Tony Schimmoeller thats actually not true..I have more money now than I ever had as a younger me and time is not an issue to find music bc we all find music the same way no matter young or old. We find music through word of mouth or we hear something as we stream music while at work or on satelite radio or if luke me still through regular radio. So those point you speak of is actually not true.
And how old are you?
Tony Schimmoeller plus the beauty of growing older is you have more experiences to pull from so you wont have to repeat as much as the younger people who's song topics are limited bc their experiences are limited. Its seem the industry frowns on older rappers bc they are wiser and can actually to the world against the industry if people follow and really listen...look at how lupe fans made the record label release his music..thats power from the voice of the fans and older rapper with support from older fans who now have financial power can change the game and the labels dont want that. Somebody with the respect of 3 stacks could cause problems for record execs..even that lil line from the story of o.j. got people lookin at things differently...thats the power if older hip hop and no other genre of music
Using boxing was the worst analogy that 3000 could use. If Floyd Mayweather could box at 40yrs old and dominate, then 3k can rap at 40 and do the same.
The thing is Hip Hop is a young man's game. There's a big drop off of longevity from the # of Hip Hop artist touring/making quality albums in their 40s compared to Rock bands.
I know Hip Hop is younger but most great rapper dies young for some reason.
Long side story:
Like I went to an Ab-Soul show in ATL and the line was long af and there were an abundance of old heads like 40 50 year olds. Told my cousin damn didn't know Soulo' s fan base was this broad. Security comes out and says "Doug E. Fresh line over here" all the older people went in that line. He was performing in the venue next door. That was the day I really realize that there's not many rap artist that can tour when they get older. But salute to Doug E fresh
It’s hard to let go , when God bestowed the art of poetry. Upon you..🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Slick Rick, Rakim, and Eminem all got iller when they left rap and came back older.
I think Dre is being real with himself. He is saying he feels like he's reached his personal peak but I don't think he is saying he can't rap anymore he still does features and kills them. His life has change and he is a creative and he has found other ways to create. Making new albums with a fresh perspective and voice is difficult. What does 2017 Dre have to say in an album format. Let people grow plus naming rappers who peaked late shouldn't really count like Royce in his later work. 4:44 wouldn't be as good if J didn't have anything new to say. BTW Atliens is the best album....💯💯💯💯
I think Andre is seriously thinking about retiring, feeling like he doesn't have the energy to do this anymore with the current generation. Maybe its a mid life crisis, and he needs a fresh change creatively but he can't or won't admit it personally.
This nigga really just implied that Stankonia is better than. Aquemini and Atliens? Can't expect this channel to blow up with those views.
Do an episode on Tyler the Creator
The best OutKast conversation I haven't been a part of, this is refreshing to hear. Dungeon Family is untouchable. Rico Wade said the album is done on VLAD on they're waiting for 3000 to cut a single. Anyway, the peers & eye have these debates all the time... and they sound the exact same as you guys. Stank you. P.S. Kendrick satisfies that creative itch we all want from Andre 3. IM (HUMBLE.) O
BUSTA RHYMES IS PRIME EXAMPLE. SO SAD TOO
Danewon man just was thinking of that Kat bus he tried to change with the new wave and it wasn't him , trying to fit in and I get it trying to stay relevant appeal to the new wave crowd and check a bag but we all know that wasn't busta I'm a busta rhyme fan and I knew the new wave thing did not fit him at all coming from the golden era on the 90-99 bus was illmattic
@aurelius rule, part of the reason busta is a legend is that he is able to stay relevant & still make dope music.this is coming from a day 1 fan busta's early stuff is classic and of course his '00s era stuff isn't on the same level but it's still really dope, these rappers can't fu*k with busta's flow.
Vinyl&Kicks86 lol agreed I rock with all the era big hats these new Kats couldn't mess with jay, rule , nas , big , rule , meth , x , thought , just entire east coast even if their life and career depended on it and yes bus and every era rapper I just name legends Kat legends sad where the hip hop era today but it's still good rap out here on the after pac them wave , actual proof , clear soul force , rap sody , hazit theory , 3d natee , Elizi , king magnetic , just a bunch on that circuit , skyzoo , rexs , etc but not to get off track lol busta one of many best to ever touch the M.i. 🎤🎤🎤 on life
yeah i agree with most of your statement but if the rule you're referring to is ja rule i can't get with that he is straight garbage.
Vinyl&Kicks86 lol yeah but I listen to every single 90 Kats and the real hip hop music everyday all that good stuff hip hop you tubing 24-7 lol and def bus anarchy , level extinction , flipmode all that good music from good ole Dayz
This nigga said SLOWER not worse. When u get older them all nighters in a studio take a toll. You work slower. It takes longer. And artists don't feel like doin it.
I agree with Andre