PolarPro Peter McKinnon ND Filter Review | PMVND vs Tiffen ND Filters
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In this video, I will be doing a PolarPro Peter McKinnon Variable ND Filter review.
I will also be comparing the PMVND vs Tiffen Variable ND Filter.
Is the Peter McKinnon Variable ND Filter really worth $300??
Or is there a better budget-friendly variable ND filter to buy?
Watch this video where I show you guys an in-depth test of the Peter McKinnon ND Filter and the Tiffen ND filter!
Let me know what you think the best variable ND filter of 2019 is below!
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Which one was better: PolarPro or Tiffen?🤔
Actually it's hard to compare. Cause Tiffen is up to 8 stops ND filter while Polarpro is limited to 5 stops to eliminate X (cross) pattern. Basically in terms of Color/Tint, Vignetting and X pattern Polarpro is better compared to Tiffen. Unfortunately Polarpro have 2 variants which is 2-5 stops & 6-9 stops wherein you will need to purchase those two variants specially when your shooting in a SLOG profile which has a native ISO of 800 and you will need to overexposed it by +2.0. But if this product has a variant of 4-8 stops that would be a game changer. Because on my test in F2.8 whether you are shooting in 4k/24fps, 1080/60fps & 1080/120fps 4-8 stops is the sweet spots. But 6-9 stops is great when shooting at F1.4 - 2.8 in SLOG, HLG or no PP with proper shutter speed and desired depth of field.
They were literally different rated filters in terms of stops. There is no way to compare them fairly unless you do them at the same stop.
I’ve watched tons of videos on this and you are the only one who included all your settings. Thank you, great explanation!
Dude I really dig the way you explained all of this!
Josh Luciano thanks Josh!!🙏🏻
Great review man! Really loved the time you took to make all of the comparisons! :)
Thanks man! This one definitely took a good amount of time to create
I didn't know branding was an important aspect of Vari ND filters
I was thinking the same thing
Good review! Thanks for the info!
Awesome review man!
The blotch of color you're seeing on the Tiffen is the polarization, most ND's that offer that many stops have them.
Thanks for sharing this helps me a lot.
Another banger and the yeezy flex in the background I love it!!! 🔥🔥
Thanks homie!! haha had to throw it on the shelf 😎
Great test Gordon! Really interesting to see the test on SLOG, which was easy to see the flaws on the Tiffen. Yeh PMVND is totally worth it for those G Masters! 👍👍
Se Park thanks man!! Ya it’s crazy seeing the two compared next to each other. Didn’t realize how much I’ve been missing out on quality NDs lol
Great review! Keep making real life comparisons.
Good stuff, thanks for sharing with us, I wasn't sure what you said towards the end of the video so I have a quick question: I will be shooting with a 2.8 lens outdoors at 60 FPS at 1/125, should I get the 6-9 stops or the 2-5 stops? Thanks again..
Great comparison bro! ...i just have one question, what F stop were you at on the test footage?
Bro, solid review! Thank you for including slog and 120fps in your tests.
What was your aperture set to when you ran your tests?
I believe it was 2.8 but I’ll have to double check
How do you overcome no circular polarization filter option when using a McKinnon ND filter? And, how do you choose between the McKinnon ND 2-5 and the McKinnon ND 6-9? Thanks!
Do you know why there is a magenta ish hue/vignette in the corners but a greenish hue in the center? Curious because im noticing it too
you should have tried to shoot at 120fps both... the 8stops edge of the Tiffen is given advantage so, would it be right to compare them both with the same fps? correct me if am wrong
Loving your Videos G. Big help. New subscriber 👍🏻
What’s up! Thanks for the sub Karen ✌🏻
Hi, thanks to share the interesting video. Out of curiosity: do you not think a variable ND filer is more convenient if it has a lever on the ring to be able to move the lens more easily to shoot videos? Thank you
What was your f/stop for the no pic profile test? Were you shooting wide open with a super fast lens?
The only thing I care about is which one will give me a clear and usable image!
It appears that the camera you are using has no Infrared Pollution, but i’s good to point out that neither ND filters IR and on many cameras, this means the IR pollution will tint the image red and is hard to fix in Post. A good IR filter should be used that will give a slight green tint, which is easy to fix in post. Thanks for your review, it was very helpful in finalizing my selection.
I bought a Peter McKinnon Filter for my sony6400 with sigma 16.
The only thing is I should have bought the biggest one and got some step up rings but either way.
I’m happy. :)
Awesome man, glad you’re loving yours 🔥
Gordon Ly hey bro what’s up.. I have the Sony a6400, Sigma 16 and Sony 18-105. Thinking of getting the PMVND 2-5 stops. 16 is 67mm filter thread while Sony 18-105 is 72mm filter thread.. I’m thinking of getting the 77 PMVND to cover both lenses with the proper step up rings. Base on your video here, it seems like 2-5 stops is not quite enough for the correct exposure on a bright sunny day. I would think more so in a place where there’s a large open space like by the beach 🏝. I will be doing more videos than photos. Should I get the 6-9 stops instead then? Thanks bro!
@@jpinazo31 yo - ya definitely go with the 77mm PMVND! also, if you're shooting @ f.14 with your 16mm lens, id say go with the 6-9 stop. especially if its 4K/24 and/or SLOG2 settings.
Gordon Ly thank you 👍🏽
@@jpinazo31 you're welcome!
My Tiffen was so bad as well so I went with Freewell (97% the quality of PolarPro IMO, but half the price).
The main question is what hair product do you use? Where I live the humidity is high so my hair doesn't stay up like that. You should do an Amazon affiliate for your hair products!
And what kind of helmet do you use when riding ?
What is your aperture for 4k / 24fps with no PP? Thanks
Great video but if you would have tested the tiffen at 120 fps it would have probably out performed the PMVND.
I shoot slog 2 and hlg 2 both at 4k 30fps and 1080 60fps F2.8 with one your recommend ?
Damn the tiffen one looks garbage 💀
Lol ya it does 😒
Just because a product says it has 2-5, or 2-8 stops, doesn't mean it will work. It was very clear that the Tiffen filter was only usuable up to about 5 or 6 stops. At 8 stops, the filter was displaying that weird "X" pattern. Completely unusable picture at that point.
In all honesty when the tiffen was at 4 stops and you said it was still over exposed, you could still recover what very little that was "over exposed" moving 5 stops you started to lose details in the shadows. with slog2 it's easier to recover highlights than shadows.
Hi Gordon, you just convinced me to get the PolarPro PMVND :D. I'm a new photographer/videographer though with some noob questions if you can help me out.
As a starting portrait photographer and fashion videographer, using a sony a7iii with 50mm fe 1.8 sony lens and the soon to come 35mm fe 1.8 sony lens, what size filter should I get? 82, 77, or 67? Automatically shouldn't 82 be the best as it's compatible with most types of lens? And also should I get polarpros step up rings? or is there a better choice step up rings instead of polarpro? If you can give me as much detailed tips as possible, I'd be forever grateful. (i've been looking for answers on this, and nothing helps answer my questions)
Subbed btw!
Hey man! Appreciate you. Yeah if you have the funds to invest in the ND, I definitely love it so far. Just make sure you get the right stop range for you.
I personally haven’t tried their step up rings but I would guess it’d be great. I use the one in my description and that works great too!
Yeah, you can be safe to get the 82mm. I personally don’t have any glass that has that thread size so I went ahead and got the 77mm instead.
@@GordonLy I really appreciate your quick response, thank you. Oooh I noticed the one you linked has a step up of 49 - 82mm which makes it much more versatile. The wider the range though for a step up ring, does that affect it's quality at all? For example, there are step up ring options liek 49 to 58, 49 - 67, etc so why wouldn't just everyone pick 49 - 82?
Also, I read compatibility for the filter thread size between 67, 77, and 82 and was matched on the product link page where it says "Find My Filter Size" at 67 for all the lens I have. I know for compatibility purposes 82 works and is safe like you said, but does that take away from the quality for that?
Just want to be sure before I spend lots of money on this I get your advice. And yes I'm getting both stop ranges and will certainly be broke after haha.
ＡＴ 7 ya I have 67 & 77mm filter sizes for all my Sony glass so my setup ring is just the 67-77mm one!
This is my first time using it and this is the only step up ring I have. I’m not sure if vignetting would play a role if you went from like 49-82, I would think maybe?
So if you wanted, I’d go with the 77mm filters or the 82mm if you wanted to be safe!
Why do you expose +2.0 in S log2?
Aperture?
Can you please tell us what your shutter speed was? Usually its recommended to shoot 2x the actual 'fps' your recording in. So for example 60 or 50 for your shutter speed at 24fps.
Ya my shutter was double the frame rate
@@GordonLy thanks
instead of buying a cheap nd filter, save up for the PMVND filter. how are you going to put a crappy filter infant of a good lens. ( also keeping in mind you have nice glass ) but thats my personal opinion. Also the quality that it offers. you really can’t compare one with the other. right out the back the pmvnd is a winner. if you have to change to the 6-9 its easy just switch it. if thats going to stop you from buying it. I call that lazy, and it shows your work. BUUUUT again. My personal opinion (: thank you for your review brother. love to support reviewers.
*lives in Arizona* *needs 900 stop ND filter* 😂
Great comparison man!
Lmao true!! Hahah didn’t factor in that it’s prob 100+ outside 😅
Tiffen has the problem why you buy more expensive once, it has vigetting and no full cover ND range on the whole picture... still not sure to buy the pmcvnd but as I used a lot of 'cheap' filters I know to never buy it
Does your front element rotate?
And if not, how to you ensure the same level of polarization applied between different lenses?
How the heck did Peter become the guru of photography. Kill me.
Ok do you need the 6-9 version for video?
Joakim Tollerud, it mainly depends on how low your Fstop goes. If you have a lens that has F 1.4 or 2.0 then yes, you will need the 6-9 version.
Do you lose quality when using step up rings? Or any vignette?
stupidfresh305
How does the quality go down?
No, it would be the opposite of what others are saying. What this video suggests is buying the biggest size filter for your biggest lens, then using a ring to step your lens up to the filter. There shouldn't be any vignetting. A step down filter would vignette as you're not using the full surface area of the lens on your camera sensor.
@stupidfresh305 the point they are making is would using a 77mm on a 67mm cause vignetting, the answer is no, your looking at it the wrong way round
I can’t stop staring at your ridiculously tall hair
😏
Gotta love when this guy is getting paid by PolarPro and rigs the whole comparison. Yes, sure PolarPro is better but not this much. Never trust these paid clowns on youtube
Brother, what happened to your hair?
Tiffen doesnt win in stops because its not usable in those stops
wtf is that color grade!!!????
Who cares about the box..... All you need is the Filter... tiffin for the win..
Your tiffen had the blcohes of colour because it was not in the correct position.
Variable nd filter is really not a good. If I have to invest $ 300 then I want super quality.
Too bad you can't get a PMVMD without the stupid box. Makes a piece of glass worth an extra $150 from where it should be priced? I don't think so. Any one want to buy a pretty box? I'll give you a good price on one!
So a premium-priced product next to a cheap filter that most photographers consider junk? Seems like someone has their thumb on the scale. I've been looking for a ND (not variable) filter and I'm seeing a disturbing trend, Polar Pro seems to seek out CZcamsrs and get free product in their hands for "non-sponsored content".
Just my honest comparison between two popular ND filter brands - no connect to Polar Pro for this video 🤘🏻
@@GordonLy Really? Then where was B+W and Breakthrough Photography? They are both VERY popular and similarly priced. Surely you have heard of them?
I’m sorry but this is a very poor example of VND usage on both the PM and Tiffen samples.
First, most people know that you get very little benefit on using a VND with a wide-angle lens, which it appears like you are using in this video.
The wider the angle lens, the less stops you will get out of a VND due to the cross polarization. That means you will see the X-Bar before the max stop value. The benefit of a VND is really for lenses with a 28mm focal length and greater, as you will get the full stop value out of them.
You are pushing the Tiffen and PMVND beyond it’s limits which is why you are seeing poor color and distortion.
Second, a proper test would have the Tiffen at 5 Stops and the PMVND at 5 stops and compare the two for color accuracy. Of course you are going to get worse color with the Tiffen Filter at the full 8 stops… You pushed it beyond its limits.
Lots of other misinformation in this video that isn’t even worth pointing out.
while I agree with your points, I believe I would still be misinforming if I WEREN'T to test and push the NDs to its limits.
There are going to be people who shoot wide and will need the full stops of the NDs, and this is what I'm showing here.
Not everyone who buys NDs will shoot at the perfect focal length and perfect # of stops for the ideal outcome.
I also showed the tests done at each stop, so people could make their judgement on the color accuracy when I showed that.
@@GordonLy You are misinforming your followers then. You SHOULDN'T shoot wide with a VND, as it's not intended for wide angle shots. This is why you are getting distortion and horrible color. If you are going to shoot wide angle then you should be using a solid ND. What was your focal length? 24mm? 20mm? 16mm? On a VND at those focal lengths you would be lucky to pull 3.5 stops out of them. If you are pushing the Tiffen VND to the max point (8 Stops) and pushing the PPPMVND to the max point (5 stops) you are going to see the X bar well before the max points (which you are in your video).
@@michaelcassaraphoto id be happy to do an updated test with a more optimal focal length with the ideal # of stops for each ND
Gordon Ly don’t listen to this clown (Michael Cassara). Excellent video. Thanks for the comparison!
@@glime28 No, Michael is actually 100% correct on every point he made. I own and use a significantly lesser quality variable ND filter (a L.C.W 2-8 stop from like 10 year ago) and I consistently get better results than reported by the author out of my iphone 11 + cheap Variable ND filter combo.
Geez, that Tiffen is garbage.
Both are garbage, difference is one is less expensive and other is very expensive, PM also shows bad vignetting with X pattern.
All stuff coming with Peter’s overpriced ND filters are useless.