Forced to play Devil's Advocate
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2023
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I think the "devil's advocate" should be wearing devil horns or something so people can't clip things out of context. Maybe a banner to put on screen and a timer as Dan said. Definitely worth keeping the segment around.
That's a great point
I'm looking forward to seeing all the out of context clips going around in the future 🤣
Good Idea, I think having the wheel on the table like they have during the samsung argument is also good
This times a billion.
I was thinking the same the entire time! People will use it against them
That's one heck of a concept, ruining decades of friendship between Luke and LInus within half an hour.
@@srijita_6_9 stop your spam pls (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻
@srijitia 🥺 you should turn it on and off again
I like it 😂
Luke is the only one who could possibly get away with doing that with Linus.
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Linus is the boss, but Luke could kill him by sitting on him, so I guess the power level is ultimately balanced.
Luke tried his best to legitimately argue it and did a better job. Meanwhile, Linus became the embodiment of Samsung with all of their awful arguments. It was scary
I had to remind myself he wasn't Samsung PR at some points 😂
As someone into gamedesign, I actually found myself agreeing with Luke, because diversity of user options is not always good or desirable.
Not saying it will absolutely make Twitter better, but having a designed and curated experience can be superior if executed properly.
I couldn't listen to it because it was too much like apple's policy
Yeah Luke clearly won that one. Honestly first time Linus' smug "that's a cute argument" attitude got on my nerves. Does he have a hate boner for Musk or something?
They need a chess clock to prevent them bulldozing the other person and going on too long
Smart
This is a great idea. They would be fighting over the clock trying to create counter arguments around each other
When I was in speech and debate we did this thing called SPAR and it's like 30 sec prep 1 min opening 2 minutes each like 2-3 times then 1 min close
Good idea, hope Linus sees this
Evidently needs some refinement so that everyone can get their points out, but I enjoyed this new segment. The banter between Luke and Linus is a big part of why I keep watching the WAN show, so I'm all for adding in some new fun bits interspersed between tech news and merch messages.
Ya not letting each other make their arguments was not fun to watch. Great concept though.
I'd take a whole show of just playing devil's advocate. That was some funny stuff!
Same, this is the best LTT content this year
I love evil corporate Linus, he really does sound like a company when he's playing devils advocate
Love this segment! IMHO you should make the devil's advocate wear devil horns to make things more visually clear / dissuade people from taking clips out of context :)
@srijitia 🥺 put water on it, usually works
That would be a great idea.
The _/10 ratings should be based off of how mad you make the other participants and how much you play into the evil characters. And you need a "Defend the Indefensible" sign that hangs during the segment or pops up digitally 😂
I dont have the attention span to watch the full WAN show, but i do enjoy watching segments here on LMG Clips very much. And this one was very entertaining to watch, i really hope we will see this again.
Gotta get that attention span up friend!
I believe one of Twitters argument, and a big one, was that of monetization and ad revenue. Those APIs can display twitter content but not the Ads and therefore Twitter was not making money. This is pulling all those third-party eyeballs back to Twitter so that they can monetize them. Not how I would have done it, but I think that's the biggest reason.
Don't they get money for using the API?
@@HentaiNat no
@@HentaiNat even so, advertisers won't be happy to know some users don't even receive the ads that they paid for
Another thing is "probably" thay want to include those 3rd party API feature directly into their tweeter blue subscription
I think Casey hit what is likely the reason for this change, which is control mainly on user experience.
I'd also argue from their point of view, having absolute control around how their API is consumed will allow them to make optimizations for cost and experience that would go against the standards for open APIs
Playing devil's advocate is super fun because your "defense" usually makes the company/argument look terrible. You should 100% keep this segment, it gives us a window into a universe where Luke and Linus are capitalist sociopaths.
We had to argue for our opposing political ideology in a debate class so I ran with it and focused on "anchor babies" the entire time (it was the latest conservative insanity at the time). The conservative professor was _not_ amused, but I got an A lol
My favorite one from the other side of the isle is demanding EV’s when we don’t have enough supply of lithium in the US. So in the spirit of reducing environmental damage, they’re now having to argue in court to mine out a sacred Native American land in Thacker Pass.
@@TechnoGeek18023 Do you mind elaborating on this or pointing me in the direction I can find more about this? Ive come to believe its a unique mix of fear greed and self righteousness but would love actual details.
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-Would ypu let me finish?
-No
That exchange of words on that tone was the single most based thing i have ever seen. Long live Luke
I like this a lot. I'm always playing devil's advocate because it's just part of critical thinking in general. 'What are the reason I could be wrong?' Nobody ever seems to want to do that or even listen to the other side
the way Linus attacked Luke about twitter was as if Luke owned twitter and Linus was the only user of twitter and the changes would ruin his life
Luke's defense of Twitter isn't as bad as Linus made it sound. He is right that Twitter is changing and so keeping 3rd party apps down isn't bad for now. Linus did end up misrepresenting Luke's argument a bit too.
According to musk it’s also to combat bots and scammers. Don’t know how much truth to there is to that.
It's wild listening to this *in* Wyoming and just hearing your state out of context in a soft Canadian accent.
That said it would basically just boil down to "Oh no! I guess I have to buy my cars in Colorado now!" which to be fair is also how a good chunk of people do here anyways because we have sales tax.
This segment is great. No matter how black and white some of these items seem (or are), I think attempting to hit both sides of an issue is important.
This was amazing! More devils advocate please! I hope people dont take this out of context though
Yeah that would be very bad, which is why some sign or devil horns as someone mentioned, on the advocate would be nice lol
Seeing these 2 get genuinely kinda mad at each other over it is entertaining
Y'all gave Luke an impossible task and he fully committed. Kudos.
I love "debate club" competitions as an intellectual exercise. It really helps you settle on good arguments.
If you do this again, I'd like to suggest the addition of a "Devil's Advocate" hat so people don't misconstrue the clips out of context.
More of this! One of the bigger issues in WAN was you two being so agreeing and on the same page lmao
Please make this a recurring thing. It's interesting to hear the arguments and also kind of amusing to watch The Strain on your friendship
More than 20 years ago, I used to play this game with my friends. It's a good way to break friendships, and make people mad.
Please do more of this.
Not only is this VERY entertaining, but it might bring more discussions by arguing non-popular sides of an issue.
This was a great edition to the show. Keep it going
I actually really like the segment! Do more of it please!
I really enjoyed this segment and hope you make it a regular segment.
That was a great segment. I hope they do it again.
Guys, this is one the best segments you have ever done please keep it up!
Excellent. More of this please! It might be neat if you prepped for all the options before hand.
Luke really got given the worst possible one the first time around. lol
Cool segment, I hope they do more of this sometime
I really like this new segment. I think yall should keep doing it.
love this! we need more!
Very good segment. All the thoughts of how to improve it are all great as well. Would love to see more of this
Amazing! Dan's anger at the end is just perfect!
Timed responses are baby-tier. The back and forth is what makes a conversation fun to listen to.
Love the concept...keep it going
Thanks, I watched the whole show and thought this was a nice concept.
Great segment
good concept. This was enjoyable.
i love this. i ask why questions all the time and i love getting into different perspectives.
luke is dangerously good at making an argument, I was believing him for the twitter stuff until 4-5 minutes in when linus started pokling holes in his argument
him and his honeyed words..
I like how they get fired up but they both are the type of people who seem to be able to keep their real friendship and understanding of each-other separate from the "fake" arguing lol
I love this concept!
Compiling the biggest stinkers and playing devils advocate is such a good idea, really enjoying it so far
This is a great segment.
Great segment. Should be a staple of the wan show.
I want more of this!!!
i love this new segment 😍
i love this segment
love this concept
Please do this more
This is my favorite segment ever.
This is awesome. You should just do this as a separate show every week.
new favorite segment.
This is actually great
Please make this a dedicated playlist or even a podcast.
I really like that new segment
Linus vs Luke debates would be a great addition to the WAN Show.
This is a very entertaining segment.
I don't know if you read these but I gotta say this segment is great and you should consider doing it more. It's a fun way to dissect events in a more thorough, and joyfully combative way.
please keep this segment
This is fucking amazing. Please PLEASE so more.
I loved it! Also you should totally put on capes, devil masks and the timer has to be on-screen all the time.
When Linus said "Are you gonna let me finish?" I could just FEEL the shut the F up Luke XD
great concept with a bit of refinement and planning this would be a great 20 to 30min section for after the sponsor spots
Ok I’m loving this please do more for the main channel
Honestly, Luke's defense was solid. Like 9/10 solid. I also really don't get the problem. Twitter doesn't want third party apps... Isn't that just their choice? Like, anything really, can say that. "We don't want third party apps of our app/service."... That seems entirely reasonable to me. Especially if those third party apps are literally taking money away from you (By not displaying ads).
This is great, you can see the frustration it oozes of my screen.
I give this segment a 10/10
Loved every second of it
Very entertaining
Twitter argument should be is making the api more strict to reduce bots and spams. Using their app will allow to go gather more user data for advertising. And twitter is working on features that companies like hootsuit offered so they can get those profit as well.
As someone who works at UbreakIfix, the authorized repair centers for almost all of the US, most non OEM Samsung parts are awful. There's plenty of places that make quality aftermarket parts for Apple products, but for some reason that just hasn't happened with Samsung yet, also the screen is essentially part of the frame on Samsung devices, and repairing them without the frame is less cost effective from the perspective of labor costs. All in all I'm very pro right to repair, and would love to see quality aftermarket Samsung parts and more 3rd party, and affordable repairs
Linus you are doing the thing
The best patent argument would be something like "if you think the patent is a bad one, you should take that up with the patent office. As long as we have the patent, we need to defend it."
I love how Linus isn't just defending Samsung, but is doing that in the tone that he is Samsung. A good move to try explain his point.
I like this wheel. This is a good segment. This could its own show.
I love this segment :D
That's a really fun segment.
Oh my god I love this!!!! Please please please bring this back Ahahaha
Love the wheel. Awesome idea.
I like this kind of conversation between you two. Ironically old friends are at their best when debating.
This new segment really shines on Luke and shows how essential he is as a differing opinion to Linus. I enjoyed the back and forth very much.
If Linus was using floatplane & the lab to present product comparisons in a new way while also figuring out how to monetize it so that Linus can continue to provide this product comparison service far into the future -
He also wouldn't want people ripping off his comparison videos & monetizing their own version of his work (along with not updating their third party app with the features that he is adding to the Lab)
Luke would also clearly bring up the fact that
"LINUS - WE NEED TO MAKE MoNEyEYY"
If looked at closer - Linus is being hypocritical in this argument against twitter...
Well, the whole idea of Twitter, why it was adopted over other microblogging sites, was that it was a completely open website. The api’s were open, and people could do fun and interesting intergrations with data on Twitter. This open policy had costs to Twitter, but that was the cost they paid for relevance. After 2016 Cambridge Analytica, many websites began pulling back control of their API’s. Twitter’s approach was to not add certain features to their API, like polls or group DMs. Twitter, as it has gotten older, has tried to capture more of the ecosystem which it created, which relies on its servers yes, but which only grew because of their open policy towards the API. Nobody criticizes Facebook for having a closed down API, which is mostly because they got hit extremely hard by Cambridge Analytica. But the big difference is that Facebook posts are meant to be semi-private, but Twitter was meant to be an open platform which anyone could interact with. Twitter is within its rights to close their platform, but ultimately (along with many other things they have done) kills what made Twitter unique.
I loved this defend the indefensible. Great addition to this format!
I liked this segment. It's healthy to look at all points of view.
This is an amazing concept 😂😂
I love this section of the show. Two people relatively unpreped to defend an argument they likely oppose. It sounds like a Twitter agument without devolving into insulting each other's moms.
Seeing Luke's arguement evolve as he thought more about it was actually really cool, just from a pure arguement perspective.
I'm loving this segment. 10/10
Linus: Are you gonna let me finish?
Luke: No
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this sounds like me and my brother arguing. I love it.
This segment is gold. We need more wheel of pain + defend the indefensible.
The devils wheel could be a fun name for this segment
Also good place to get idea for this segment. The escapist slightly civil war and their older civil war series.
I had to upgrade my perfectly functional s10 because I could no longer buy a screen for it online. I have disliked every phone I've had since, more and more.
I miss when the fingerprint sensor was on the back of the phone. I also miss the notification led old androids had.
I like this segment. Do it more often. Make a little devil/he'll theme to the video or background.
"Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please."
Linus: "are you going to let me finish?"
Luke: "No"
🤣 😆 🤣 😂 😹