Is Piracy Over?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- The President of the Motion Picture Association has announced that they will be working with the American government on legislation to force ISPs to block piracy websites.
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Short answer: No
Long answer: Hell No
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Pirate answer: NAY
@@yyny0 narr
Yar har, fiddle de dee
Being a pirate is alright with me!
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate!
Ar yar, ahoy and avast
Dinky-dink-dink-a-dinkadefast!
Hang the black flag at the end of the mast!
You are a pirate!
Arrr, copyright holders ain’t going after AI , just the little guy. I had some sympathy but no more.
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.
F A C T S
So original but i love it!
Piracy never was stealing, just copyright infringement.
I downloaded a car recently.
I was expecting to see the same copy paste comment. Even if it’s completely true
They tried this in Australia. It cost a metric-fuck-tonne. And was defeated by changing your DNS.
Unfortunately, Telstra's routers don't let you change the DNS for the whole network, so you have to take the annoying option and do each device individually.
@@Roxor128 use pi hole as dns and dhcp
@@LolSho0orTs Can't do network-wide PiHole if you can't reconfigure the router to point to the Pi. Still have to individually reconfigure every device.
@@Roxor128 you can't turn off DHCP on the router too wth ?
@@LolSho0orTs Nope. Stupid thing won't let you change anything important. Telstra clearly want to minimise the possible avenues for customers to have reasons to call tech-support.
Let me tell you something. Broke guys who get drunk and high in their 20s and cant afford video games will ALWAYS find a way.
They probably wouldn't be broke and could afford games (and other commodities) if they weren't blowing so much cash on booze and weed. That stuff isn't cheap and people rarely pay attention to how much they spend on it.
@@rawwrrob9395 (that's why he said 20s)
@@rawwrrob9395I pirated as a kid,nowdays i would buy games but dont have time to play so it doesnt matter,no company gets my money
@@rawwrrob9395I don’t blow my money out I’m just saving it for a motorcycle 😂😂
@@rawwrrob9395well you can't pirate booze...
Remember that piracy is a result of poor service, poor quality, and poor pricing. I've spent a LOT on games because Steam and GOG make it so easy to find and buy.
Some games are literally only available through torrents now too. I'd gladly buy Driver San Francisco or Freelancer (2003) if they were available through steam or GoG.
@@Flyon86 Man I never thought I'd see another fellow Freelancer. One of my favorite games growing up. I got it running on my linux box and still play it from time to time.
I can't even remember the last time I pirated a game. At least a decade.
Steam has really good sales often enough that I can just wait a year or two on some game to be $10 with all DLC that would have cost over a $100 when it launched.
And Ubisoft is asking for their every published game to be pirated
I hope they aren't stupid enough to try going after rom sites here.
TBH the best way to destroy piracy is reduce the studio’s profits and stop going after infinite profit growth, so you can make content cheaper and more accessible. That would absolutely destroy piracy. Netflix literally almost killed piracy when it first came out, because you could literally get everything you wanted to watch in one place for an affordable price. Nobody wants to pirate things if they don’t *have* to because it’s Janky AF.
Yeah but the only reason old Netflix could have basically everything at an affordable price was that it was trying to scale, and losing money while it did. Going after infinite growth, as you said. Good movies and series can't be made without people paying for them, and a ~$10/month subscription for everything under then sun just cant fund the type of big expensive productions or medium sized niche films that were common before streaming
I didn’t pirate and paid for Hulu and used my Parents Netflix
Now I would need my own Crunchy Roll, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Stars, and HBO on top of a $70 internet bill.
I’ll pay for a subscription if I like a show and am watching it while it’s coming out but $75-90 a month in subscriptions is absurd.
@@eggyparrot3844 good movies and games could be made with way less money, and that was the case some years ago. the problem is that higher ups and suits take most of the cuts, while the devs put in all the important work. then there are way bigger marketing costs that most of the time arent really that necessary, and bad decisions by people on the board that dont even understand the product they are directing, since they arent working on it and arent in any way invested in it, other than seeing green numbers.
Brazil pirates games more than any other country. That's because games in Brazil cost so much it's like spending £/$300 on a game - it doesn't make sense to pay for them.
That's why you should localise prices.
@@eggyparrot3844 It absolutely can though. The only thing that has to happen is big budget productions need less influence from the bean counters so that the productions are actually good and therefore remain profitable. Notice how Netflix created some excellent shows that they cancelled because they didn’t increase subscriptions. They were still making loads of money on the production, they just didn’t like that they couldn’t instantly increase their profit instead of merely making money on it.
Something many people don’t actually know is that right before Tom Scott took a NordVPN sponsorship he did also briefly release a video saying “don’t trust our sponsors”
Time for Tor Browser to rise
7:45 Thanks for bringing this up. Another hole in the "piracy = lost sale" argument is that just because someone downloaded a piece of media doesn't mean that they even used it. I have around 12TB of pirated material and I've probably only even looked at a single digit percentage of it. A lot of my downloads have been entire comic characters' bibliographies or entire gaming console libraries in bulk.
I downloaded a GBA collection with 2437 games in them and I think I've only ever booted around 5. And only one of them I've played more than a couple hours.
"Is Piracy Over?"
Gabe Newell:
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."
yep and thus why steam took off it had the same business model as piracy but for little cost which for most games is the cost of paying for a VPN and their data plan anyways. The 70 USD games yeah those are more than the cost but the convenience of it is still there. The problem the theaters are having is everyone in the USA was told to not go to them for 3 years straight so people got out of the habit of going to them. When told they could again even less people returned and the theaters had to provide something having it on blu-ray and/or streaming it will not do.
I really wish movie studios had followed the Steam model instead of this bullshit thing of 25 streaming services with ever increasing anti consumer practices.
I would gladly pay for content I actually care to watch, instead of having a vertical slice of every genre produced by each studio.
Gospel from our lord and saviour
The most important thing to remember about piracy... is that people pay for pirate streaming sites.
Something tells me people willing to pay a piracy site don't have a problem paying for a legit service.
@@SherrifOfNottingham Likelihood is that most of those people get content from all streaming services in one place and they are paying for convince IP holders aren't providing. Movies and shows don't need complex porting process like platform exclusive games and it's making it hard to enforce something being exclusive to any single streaming service.
You know what causes actual job loss? Corporate greed.
Can't repeat that enough!
I love when they claim that piracy causes job loss. Pirates weren't going to buy the shit to begin with. That's why they went and looked for a pirate option.
@@Unethical.Dodgson OR when they believe people who use those sites are actual lost customers. Most who use those sites either wouldn't buy the product or cant afford to.
I'd give room for some might but most likely cant.
@@Unethical.Dodgson And if they like that thing, they might buy it in the future, resulting in actually more sales than without it. But hey, we all know how smart these companies are.
companies showing utter disdain for their customers doesn't exactly make their customers feel like going out and buying their product.
Piracy will never go away and my wallet will stay closed to any company that hates me or will not allow me to own what I buy.
The problem is that ticket prices in theaters have gone through the roof and is absolutely unattainable for the normal human. if I was a teenager and wanted to take a girl on a date to the movies I could do it for 20 bucks all in … now you can’t even buy a popcorn and a drink for 20 bucks .. teenagers have to ask their parents for it at minimum $100 just to go to the movies so why not just pirate the movie at home on a 4K TV screen and make your own popcorn for a dollar and order a pizza .. they have to make movie theaters a place that people want to go not a place that feels like a casino where you’re just going to lose all your money
Buying != Owning
Piracy != Stealing
If the button says buy and the license says something thats not BUY, its bullshit.
IMO if the button says "buy" or similar, it should automatically legally invalidate every single EULA and TOS and whatever fuck that says otherwise.
companies should be legally forced to turn the buttons into "rent, and we can remove your access anytime" (have to include that exact long text with same font size)
if the button says "buy" and the company removes your access without a good reason (going out of business) you can sue them and they should lose automatically and forced to pay for all expenses
@@hornattila rent long term lease and you pay property taxes on it every year because ownership means paying property taxes
perpetual subscription doesnt exist, steam needs new sales to keep their service alive otherwise without new sales the platform collapses otherwise valve would need to charge a yearly fee akin to property tax to keep your account alive and active a keep alive, otherwise the account would become dormant, keeping games active and full disclosures this game no longer works and has an expiration date of xx
@@hornattila how do you sue a company that is out of business? 😅
(but I agree with everything else you said!
@@joshallen128wtf are you talking about? do you pay property taxes on your clothes? do you pay property taxes on your books?
No, owning stuff doesn't require paying property taxes, that's only reserved for certain types of properties.
The fact that the CEO of the MPA is trying to convince people that pirated movies are the direct cause of layoffs as opposed to their greed and need to keep costs down is a colossal joke...
Ding ding ding!
We have a correct answer, and not enough other people saying it 👍
the employees: layed off by the thousands
the ceo: millions of dollars annual salary raise
Yes, millions of dollars lost. It's lost because it's not in their pockets
But they are not keeping cost down. Almost every movie now has 300 million dollar budgets. Shows cost millions per episode.
Yeah, the layoffs are not at all related to the unsustainable growth from the c o v i d era that they are now trying to cut back on because there's not as much digital traffic as when everyone was locked up at home... Or the fact the industry has been on a profit-driven overdrive, doing everything they can milk and dime their costumers while also cutting corners in their quality standards.
Or that we're going through a recession and a lot of people simply no longer have the money to spend on non-essential goods and services, like movies and videogames. Or that most big movies in these past few years are costing upwards of hundreds of millions dollars in budget, with mediocre results at best, and this over-expenditure combined with poor reception means they lost a ton of money they want to recoup.
But sure, let's imply the reason why these people are losing jobs is because of piracy. Yet another "things are going to hell and it's your fault" excuse card. They sure love to blame everyone but themselves...
Let's see what moves faster:
- Government Bureaucracy
- Piracy
NZ has a three strike rule. ISP's pushed back saying hey this will incur us costs to process all these requests. This was taken into account and the law requires the rights holder to pay $20 NZ for each request. It essentially makes the cost of pursuing piracy higher than the cost of the actual piracy.
Its the Gaben Quote. "piracy is a service problem" i will pay for it when that is the more convenient option
And that's not to say that i dont pay for it now. But if there is a chance that I will lose access, I'm going to take mesures against that
@@roflstomp9836dont also forget that if you bought the product you got the worse version.
anyone remember when Pirated copies of game ran faster ran better and did not cause masive security issues on users PC.
because installing Rootkits on peoples PC when they install a game they paid for and need a CD/DVD to run.
is completly legal and there is no du diligent on the rootkit aka it was so badly written that after like a day someone had figured out a way to hack any PC that had put the CD/DVD into the computer drive (the rotkit was installed at that point even before the user had seen the license agreement that did not even mention the rootkit) it was worse if you had somehow manage to get that ting to run on the more advance CD player stuff as that would just brick it permanently).... this was after the redbook CD audio on the other half of the game CD days.
what was the order that the game devs/publisher was ordered to do.
post a note on there site (that they hid really well no post on there social media or on the games news uppdate system about this.
and a link to download a rootkit uninstaller several months after the game was out that requires that user gave them a Email address that expicided was stated would be shared by third parties (hope you gave them a burner Email because if you did not well hello even more spam).... also the uninstaller was so shit that anti virus would complain 3 times over on it, first over that the fact that the signatures was both outdated and missing.
then the fact how it removes them was written in the worst way possible aka it trigger the any antivirus in existence because that is not how your supposed to do it since late windows 2000, there was more but I dont recall what clown show number that was so I will just mention that there was more.
meanwhile the pirated copy perfectly fine you could install and remove the game and there was zero crap left after.
the paid DVD oh the amount of junk was insane it was so bad that some other game would have problem getting instaled because of how shit the official installer/uninstaller was.
the only positive thing was that it did not brick the system no mater where you installed it... something some old win95 game had (example I think some version of Casar 3 where if you for some reason installed it in C:/Ceasar3 would nuke the whole C drive.
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While some people say he is refering to Russia specifically, it still applies to other things
@@bumblebeegamerreal Russians are people just like the rest of us. its a no brainer to assume we will behave similarly
Movie tickets at my local theatre are $22 per person. Piracy existing or not, there is no way I'm going to take my family to see any movie for that price.
22 per person, assuming a family of 4, is quite literally 4 months of 4k hdr Netflix.
Rent, Wage for the Staff, Insurance, Cleaning Crews. What would be ur Solution to cut down prices? Reduce Staff wages?
There is no solution for a dying industry. Movie theatres are kinda dated basically. If people aren't willing to pay the price, then the company either lowers them or shuts down.
Crazy that movie theatres are still around. Paying money to share a crowded room with people?
When you can for the same price rent a movie on your own HD Tv, or hell go to your friends place with a better Tv. Coordinate a fun movie night with some nice food with a group you know. What my family does, my uncle and grandma come over every friday to watch a movies or tv with my dad.
Only reason my dad goes to movie theatres is to see a marvel movie that came out in theatres before the average consumer can. Wow actually to think that is kinda of a sad reasons movie threatres only exist, because they get access to movies a bit sooner. Which I think has recently changed a lot since streaming so yeah, just not really a point to theatres.
In my country(europian country) it costs around 20-30 usd for vip movie ticket with infinite popcorn and other refreshments and a very comfy adjustable seats with armrests xd.
@Illiminator31 Most theaters make their profit off of concessions, not ticket prices. Some theaters have shown they can make more money by selling cheaper tickets and making the difference up with more concessions.
Lobbyists should be held responsible for their words. If banning pirate sites won't provide the promised benefit, and it won't, someone's got to compensate the waste of budget
In Australia they block them. Sometimes you get a “the federal government has declared this site illegal” but most of the time it just goes to an error because the cbf
We just use proxy sites
Piracy is taking precisely zero monies from the economy; that money is just being spent of groceries and other stuff instead of movies.
This is a very valid point. I dont think those pirating go ohh that’s another $60 I can put into savings. No it goes to other things. So what he needs to say it’s possibly taking money from HIS pockets not the economy haha.
When I was a teen I pirated everything because I had little money, if I would not have been able to pirate, I would not have had it. But it’s not like it was for free in every regard, the freaking hassle involved in getting some cracked games to run- I would sometimes waste multiple nights on that.
@@zazuch too bad this guy is the one who can afford the lobbying to get laws in place
@@mabey8048 who Linus? He has money but he doesn’t have any money compared to global corporations money when it comes to lobbying lol
@@zazuch no the film guy who wants piracy gone. Linus isn't even American
There would be less piracy if public domain stayed at 28 years from creation.
how?
@@oari1150things like old video games where you literally can’t even buy those games anymore. In the term of movies there are plenty of old movies where you can’t watch it without pirating it anymore. If public domain wasn’t 99 years (thanks Disney :/ ) then it wouldn’t be like this if you want to watch a literally 60 year old movie you can’t watch it without pirating as the chances it’s not even on any steaming site
@@jevans3375Right, and you just know that not enough people are watching 99% of 50 year old movies and TV shows to make them profitable. Heck, it's probably closer to 99.999%. There's absolutely no reason for such lengthy copyright laws except for corporate bigwigs wanting to hold onto the handful of profitable franchises from a few decades ago.
@@jevans3375 You know, trademark is use it or lose it. It would be nice if something similar is done for copyright. If it's not made digitally available(at least 50% of the time within a year) AND have not met a certain minimal physical print requirement, it should become public domain.
Now, this could be a bit complicated when there are regional licensing matters to consider. But at least for country of origination, there should be use it or lose it enforcements.
@@jevans3375 Yeah i got caught years ago by my ISP for downloading The Godfather even though at the time it wasn't even on any streaming services. Stupid schmuck of a system we have here. Luckily they gave me a slap on the wrist and told me not to do it again.
1) people who pirate usually don't ever intend to pay anyways
2) it can't be defeated
3) piracy isn't stealing because buying isn't owning.
I can't say for the USA, but in France there have been several instances (and even one last week) where the government has ordered ISPs to block illegal download and torrent sites.
The only thing is, they're always a step behind, because the sites change hosting often enough (and the law only applies to the site before it moves), and it's easy to get around this by switching to another DNS than the default one.
You don't even need a VPN.
Sometimes there's a series that is just taken off streaming services, and essentially erased from existence. There's no way to access it anymore other than piracy. No way to pay for it legally.
Yyyup, that's true
Most Metroid Prime games rn
True, hail piracy
Did you know that one in 1337 pirates quit piracy just before they find a treasure?
Clever
All the rest of the pirates find their treasure at The Pirate Bay
Don't forget the King Pirate Yify
I see what you did there
THE ONE PIECE IS REALLL
They block Piracy websites in Australia. Works as well as you expect lol.
Predicted sales are not actual sales. Actual sales can be even in minus. If we look at other industries where copying something is nearly impossible. 95% of companies and their products fail anyway. 95% of workers will gain nothing if copying is somehow removed completely.
"Is Piracy Over?"
OH HELL NAW, IT'S GETTING BACK ON THE ROAD, BABY!
Yharrr mi m8y! We're going to explore the consequences of companies having high subscription prices
I mean go Pirat, I happy take your money when you download yourself a Malware and need a Security Company to fix your shit :)
@@Illiminator31
Those in the known which sources to trust and download from.
Also, you say that as if there's no legit software out there with their own version of bloatware and malware...
@@Illiminator31 pfffft please, anyone with half a brain can reinstall windows in 45 minutes or less without the need for a security company to fix anything. Sincerely, a regular pirate.
@@Illiminator31 I guess Virtual Machines don't exist.
Remember when things like Spotify came out and pretty much killed music piracy? It because it's affordable and convenient. All these companies need to do is make their content affordable and convenient, and when streaming turned back into cable, with all the different services breaking out and spreading the content out everywhere, you see a rise in piracy.
this is actually such a good point, i literally can't remember the last time i pirated a song because i just use youtube music.
The problem is that you can't just make content affordable. Spotify is famously still not profitable while musicians complain that spotify is paying them jack shit for the number play they get. And the funniest thing is that people still yet complain that $10 dollars a month is just too much. Why pay at all when you can get it for free, right?
When Netflix came, I pretty much stopped pirating.
Now it's easier to pirate a movie than to find in which streaming provider it's available.
For a good series I usually try to get the streaming to help keep the episode count across devices
I don't necessarilly know if that is the answer, because things like Gamepass are super convenient and affordable and allow you to essentially play the games you want when they come out and throw out the old - the difference being that many gamers want to OWN their products and not have them taken from them under stupid circumstances.
But music streaming is famously not profitable yet while they continue to pay the artists less and less.
People are just so depleted of dopamine no piece of media is good enough to pay what it costs.
The everyday people already got paid during the production of the film or television show.
The only people hurt by piracy is the shareholders, the actors getting paid a cut off profits, and once from royalties.
Not sure a near hour long segment should be called a "clip", but sure 😂
it was over 4 hrs long in its original format... but yeah a clip should be maybe 10-15 minutes tops.
Maybe rename it to "LMG Segments", it would be more accurate.
this was really 4 similar topics that could have been clipped individually that make more sense as a single segment.
It's like Techlonger over Techquickes. Cliplonger
Is it the whole show?
If yes, then it's a show.
If no, then it's a clip.
😉
Stopping Piracy has less chance of success than stopping warfare.
After getting the s95b and being excited to watch more movies, i've watched like two over the course of a year, because renting 4k hdr movies is ridiculously hard and absurdly expensive outside of streaming services, like in the order of 30-40 eur for a single movie.
In my opinion if a movie costs over twice the amount to watch at home compared to going to a cinema, there's something wrong from a consumer standpoint.
We went form Cable to one or two streaming platforms, and we are going back to so many streaming platforms that its just time before a conglomerate appears and bundles bunch of streaming services into basically just internet cable.
I've been saying this for years. Piracy follows the business cycle. When times get rough and users are exploited for profits, piracy rises. Times get good again, companies become better and more friendly (or get overtaken by competition), and piracy dwindles.
In other words, "it's the economy, stupid!"
I'm brought to Gabe Newell's quote on piracy "Piracy is almost always a service problem.." Personal case: I've pirated software I own because the company made it so inaccessible or bogged down in DRM that it became unusable.
Or it's not available in my Country (or in lower quality only , looking at you STAS)
Right? You can't even steam in 4k or 5.1 from a windows device on Netflix, and I use my home PC as my primary device for viewing content. I've got a 5.1 system calibrated for my room, and an Oled. I've got an RTX card with VSR and HDR upscaling.
Why the fuck would I pay for a lesser experience when I can just torrent a Netflix show?
And in the case of games, a lot of the more reputable repackers will give you better optimized games, mainly because they remove all traces of DRM
First one of these I have ever watched fully. I can just say thank you!
🙌
they did this in the UK and it stopped piracy overnight. oh wait, no the opposite of that.
"really hard time believing 10's of billions of dollars from the economy lost"
I dunno man theatre popcorn is pretty expensive.
plus soda and candy
true, but I don't think the movie studio companies see any of that popcorn revenue. Maybe there's some underground license agreement where they do, but I always thought it was just the actual box office tickets that they got money from, and the overpriced popcorn was the theater's way to make money since most of the ticket money is just going to the studios
@@Brixster They were commenting on the article saying money going into the economy. Not to the movie studios.
@@Styrak Then 0 dollars would be lost from piracy.
Only because the theatres are getting screwed by the studios. The deals with the studios leave them with bugger-all from the ticket sales, so they make up the difference with snacks. If you really want to support your local cinema when you go, buy some popcorn.
If purchasing digital content that can be taking away from you isnt theft, then piracy isnt stealing
@@mrn234 The way to change that is to operate like it doesnt' make sense. Company takes a movie from you? oh well, find a way to not need that service and go on about life. They will feel it in their profits.
@@mrn234 Which is exactly why people say "that deal sucks" and pirate it instead when they use the ridiculous deal terms as a justification for screwing over their customers.
@@mrn234that is true, however it's marketed as buying a product, not a license. The TOS are often predatory and bait and switch is becoming increasingly common.
@@rkhale02like piracy?
@@mrn234 it's still theft, because the companies are lying to the consumer by using words like "purchase" and "own" when in reality you're only renting. You shouldn't *have* to read the fine print, just force companies to be honest and punish them for abusing their customers.
I'm sure my situation still exists but in a different way. When I started college in '00. We were required to use, Photoshop, Illustrator, Maya, and 3D Studio Max. The student cost of any of these pieces well exceeded the possibility for a student to afford them. Min wage here was about $5 to $6/hr. Photoshop being the cheapest retailed at $649us. The most costly was Maya $7500 later marked down to $2000 in 2001 or 2002. I could not find the student costs but it was about half. Everyone I was with in class was passing around Multipurpose Zip drive with copies of these there. Maya used a dongle key at this point too so the school had limited licenses.
I would say it has only increased recently. Years ago it started to decrease as things like Netflix, VRV, steam, etc. were giving users cheaper, easier access to things such as games, TV shows, and movies, but over the last few years all these services have gotten worse while simultaneously increasing costs and has started pushing people back into piracy again.
I really don't think piracy is the movie theater's biggest problem today.
As an avid movie goer, you're 100% right. It's the trash they push to the theater.
@@wesjaguar its like that cuz all of the money and big stories are going towards high budget tv shows
nah... it's the movies these days tbh 😂
@@OMG-si3wnthats just plain wrong 😂
@@Mikael-jt1hk i mean just use ur eyes and see that all the big budgets are going towards tv shows
Main reason most of us do it is the sheer push from purchase to rent, even now it's being retroactively applied, you bought this item, but we are going to revoke access and delete it from your library, you can't stop us and there is no replacement.
I don't buy a licence, I buy a product, and I will keep using that product, so don't sulk when your "profits" are on the open sea.
Thank you, Linus, | Luke. Enjoyed this one..
Absolutely not. People are 100% still pirating. If things keep going in the anti consumer direction like they have I expect piracy to get worse.
I do reckon that piracy would massively decline if people could actually buy content, I don't see people wanting to pay that much to rent it.
From the people pirating especially movies and music, I hear more often than not how many actual releases they buy. The reason they pirate is a service problem: worse quality, not owning it, way too expensive too subscribe to all these services.
Lots of them won’t let you buy the shows or movies they want you to rent them or get them bundled with streaming services. Look at how much stuff has been on Netflix once and never to return.
A bunch of my piracy is simply due to the things not being able to purchase it physically or digitally.
I bought 1 Blu Ray. Then I found out you can't get a drive to play blu rays on Linux, because they need a bunch of DRM to prevent piracy. I'm probably never going to buy another blu ray.
Those "lost revenue" numbers are such bullshit. Those numbers assume that every pirated film is the loss of a theater ticket or Blu-ray sale. In reality, if a person can't pirate the film, they just won't watch it at all or they'll see it when it appears on a streaming service eventually. There's a few movies coming out that I really want to see. I didn't have the time or money to see them in a theater so I'm going to download them when they appear on one of the torrent sites I use. If they appeared on a streaming site before the torrent is made available, then I'd watch it that way, but either way, I'm not paying for a ticket or for a digital/physical copy. They were never going to get that sale and I highly doubt I'm alone on this.
Exactly!!!! I've always said the same thing. The people that buy fake Louis Vuitton bags are never buying a real one.
Those lost revenue numbers are simply for tax write offs
I stopped buying long time ago.
So no, piracy is stronger than ever.
That means something is seriously, seriously wrong with the world.
Before i pirated because i either had no money at the time or i was trying the game before deciding to buy.
But today, corporate greed made it feel completely wrong to pay and completely morally ok to pirate, even though i have money to spend.
Is piracy over? No. as long as companies continue to not allow you to own your purchase piracy will continue and rightfully so.
I will die on the hill that says: "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing!"
You steal the work hours and income of those people working in the creative sector.
You don't respect their work.
I hope that hill as a nice view, at least.
@@mondodimotori How do you stesl their work hours? They still get paid in full for their rolls. The company is what suffers if the product flops.
Even if buying is owning, piracy is not stealing anyway. It's just copying files and manipulating them on my own computer.
So u think buying isnt owning?@@mondodimotori
You haven't stolen anything. You made a digital copy of their "intellectual property".
If you take a photograph of a loaf of bread or make your own loaf at home that doesn't mean you stole the loaf from the store to do it.
Nobody is deprived of their property and nobody even knows other than yourself that the copying even occurred, therefore who is the victim?
I love being a 🏴☠ of the high seas, when I got a job I started paying for everything from software I used to TV Shows, and then when subscription models go rolled out for everything and still included ads while jacking up the prices, I said screw that ill go back to being a 🏴☠. The media industry can collapse for all I care 🤷♂
Yep
Maybe if they didn’t double the price of streaming services every year I would pay.
Fly that crimson jolly roger!!! Yo ho ho, no quarters given!!!
how does piracy steal from theaters?
pirated movies are usually ripped from bluerays; don't think anybody's watching movies recorded with a camera during the projection.
they are stealing from themselves when a movie is available on platforms a week after theatrical release
idk how it happens but like ive seen high quality rips of movies online that aren't even out in cinemas yet
I have seen that people are doing just that. Using a shitty phone camera to record live footage of movies as they are played in theatres. Hilarious thing though, is this is usually in Chinese theatres.
@@williampearce5757this used to happen in the US, but worse because it was shitty camcorders
Release prints do get pirated along the supply chain, whether it be from the theatre or somewhere before reaching the theatre, that's how high quality leaks can happen on or before release. Idk how common this is for American movies though, but not unheard of in developing countries like India.
@@synthiandrakon i think that's cause they've been released in some other country
Pirate bay basically just showed that it’s not possible to shut these things down.
On paper there is no legit pirate bay anymore, but it has tens of mirrors. It hard to beat the Balkans and Russians on piracy
@@GiJoe94 pirate bay has basically always been mirrors since they tried to shut it down, it’s the ingenious structure of it, that quite literally anyone could host it if they want without breaking a sweat
The beauty of streaming services is that you can pirate the entire season on day 1 of release. In the olden days, I would have to pirate each individual episode week after week.
Doesn't matter now, you can have Sonarr handle it automatically either way.
I’ve stopped pirating the moment I started working in tech and my company owned computer had minimal to no personal info collection such that I didn’t feel the need to own my own laptop.
That caused me to prefer buying content rather than buying a computer to switch back and forth from.
"100s of thousands of jobs" I would argue there's hundreds of thousands of jobs BECAUSE of piracy. What of all these organizations that scour the internet and slap DMCA requests and stuff for IP holders?
High paying jobs too. I can assure you a DMCA lawyer makes way more money on avg than a theatre worker.
Also VPN companies lol.
They tried this in Australia and it's still in effect. At worst you'll get a letter from your ISP telling you that you're naughty for torrenting, and will get cut off if you continue
They've been doing this in the USA for years, I got one of those letters too about 12 years ago
@@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle This was a while ago for me too like 10 years ago.
@@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle same, ever since that day I use a VPN + Seedbox
im in au ive been pirating since 99, still going hard too with tv shows movies games music ect and nothing ever happens torrents, p2p ect and i dont use a vpn
Mullvad VPN. It's the best and fastest and most anonymous VPN bar NONE.
The fact that internet providers already know what the files are & didn't bother to try & block files should really tell what they're capable of.
We've had similar legislation in Australia for a few years - they do a DNS poison here, so you get redirected to a "blocked" page instead of the actual website, so using another DNS not provided by your ISP (from a VPN, Google, Cloudflare for e.g) would get around the block.
Honestly i think piracy is going to make a comeback.
A huge dent was made in piracy numbers due to easily accesable and cheap paid offerings (i started buying games on steam and getting paid online streaming services as it was far less hassle for me to do so)
But now we're getting a reversal: (especially for video streaming) where prices are getting out of hand alongside reductions in service quality... Piracy is looking the better option again.
I think we're right on the cusp of seeing a huge piracy resurgence here, all because of corporate greed...
Tbh, if you knew where to look, piracy was always the best option, even during the hayday of netflix. Now, the difference is so ridiculuos that you have to think why some people pay to get a worse service than piracy.
Not sure for that. I can see it for VOD services but I know Video game piracy is pretty rocky right now because even though Denuvo fucking sucks (for paying consumers) and I hate it, it actually works. Look at things like crackwatch and you will see many modern titles that use the most recent verisons of denuvo number of cracked titles is pretty small compared to the old days. I think at best 30% have been cracked and this leaves many titles that are several years old with no cracks in sight for instance Total War Warhammer 3 still hasn't been cracked and it has been 2 years now. The only person who cracked Denuvo titles at the cost of $500 per title has basically been MIA since September. Like PC Video game piracy at the moment is basically dead in the water, you may have better luck if you played emulated cracked console games but yeah if you are a PC gamer which I think most of this audience is, you are sort of SOL.
It already made a come back as most modern games are shit when compared with older games.
@@TheSpoonyCroy When it comes to PC games, about the only ones I do pirate are old games that aren't on Steam. Hell, it's had me un-pirate games I pirated back in the day. Pirated Doom when I was on DOS, but bought it on Steam years later.
Piracy never died with streaming services. In the beginning there was less offer and less choice of platform and content, meaning you didn't have options for lots of digital content, except piracy.
Now we have several platforms with combined huge libraries for every taste. We have it much better now.
But morons on the internet will prefer a mnopoly...
Imagine you're in a mall, imagine that your movement around the mall, each second spent at this store and that store and so on, now imagine that you get a notice/letter from the mall saying "You spent x minutes at this store, please don't visit that store". Wouldn't that feel messed up that your movement where tracked and that the mall/ISP was monitoring your activity for visiting "illicit" websites?
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Weren't there a few institutions that published a report, that suggested that the percentage of damages resulting from piracy was between 5% to 7%? However, it appears that the report was disregarded because it did not align with the narrative that piracy was causing losses in the millions, or in some cases, billions of dollars.
5% of the American movie and tv industry might amount to billions. Especially if they don't specify billions per year.
No it isn't. Pirate will a way through this, one way or another.
I don't think this is the end of piracy, but given what Nintendo has been doing to emulators recently, I think this is the beginning of piracy becoming Beyond something the average person will be able to do without completely destroying their computer
Come SpongeBob! We're going to be pirates!
@@the_undead Nintendo didn't come out on top because it was an emulator. They came out on top because the devs got too greedy and profited off enabling piracy by locking a software update for a game that hadn't even been released yet behind a paywall.
Had they not done *that* then Nintendo would have had *no* legal standing to shut them down.
@@the_undeadYes piracy is not easy and its becoming more complex so that will keep people out of it.
@@Kevin-oj2uo it's incredibly easy lmao
12:40 "I don't know if I'd buy it," on a conversation regarding piracy. :P
34:39 I appreciate the guy in the white T-Shirt making a thudding motion on the floor.
100% about Vegas! I had the same experience. I put a few dollars into a cute cat themed machine, because it looked funny... and cute. Before I knew it I'd had two free drinks and I was nearly $200 down. I won $200 dollars and ran away. When leaving for the plane, I put my last $20 on red. It landed on black and I felt nothing.
I’ve been using IRC bots to download everything since 2003. This method of acquiring media flies completely under the radar, and if you set up your client correctly it’s also encrypted.
The way it works is that you join an irc chat channel and send a message to a bot with the packet you want. The bot makes a direct connection to your PC via IP address and sends you the file that you want.
Peer to peer downloads are virtually invisible to law enforcement. They have no way of knowing what you’re downloading even if they subpoena the traffic records from your ISP because it’s encrypted via SSL.
That sounds like Napster 😂
Ive not used irc for 15ish years, I remember xdcc bots offering packets and used them a lot, then I remember as bittorrent came around and even before tpb etc I was getting the .torrent files from an irc bot.
>This method of acquiring media flies completely under the radar
Won't be for long, if you tell everyone here. Although using irc is a big issue for most.
Seems excessive I'd rather just use my $3 windscribe vpn and pull through that. Audio for me usually comes from cracked Spotify downloading or batch downloads w/ youtube-dl on yt playlists.
The entire film industry is only $95.45 Billion in 2022. NA was 34.5% of that amounting to $32.93 Billion. You would have to project a 60% increase in sales if piracy were eliminated to justify the figure "tens of billions of dollars". Yeah right.
That figure doesn't seem accurate lol
Even if the numbers weren't BS it's hilarious to hear these types fret about money being withheld from the economy while they hoard Scrooge McDuck piles in offshore accounts.
Here in Brazil we don't even bother with a VPN, one in a million chance of getting a notice and it has no court validity anyway
Can't even remember the last time I pirated something. It's been so long since buying something meant you actually own it...
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing
they did it in the netherlands, specifically piratebay is blocked from about half the ISP's. it's just good business for VPN companies and solves nothing
Getting Rid of Physical Media is their downfall. If their movie 💣 in theatres, they would usually make up their profit from DVD sales. This was also a huge incentive for creators to take risks by being more creative & not having to stay in the "safe" popular series lane & only spitting out sequels & remakes.
Antipiracy ad of the 90's: You wouldn't steal a car!
10 year old me: You can't download a car.
Sim racing enthusiasts: "Hold my beer"
Like a few years ago finding the classic doctor who from the 60s to the 80s was almost impossible in italy. It wasn’t on streaming, the dvd were uk only and most of the out of print. Now i need a vpn, but i can stream it or i can importing the blue ray. It’s worth remembering that finding the files was a nightmare and is way more convenient and cheaper just buying the bloody bluerays or dvd with everything than spending and wasting hours upon hours to find the file with a decent audio or the animated version released once and never distributed again.
I love how they've framed it as piracy is stealing jobs now. Pirated content is not money stolen from the economy.
Let's call it what it is: Unauthorized copying.
Is not stealing as you are not preventing the owner from using their property.
As is not piracy because there is no one stopping a ship to steal their cargo.
Is Unauthorized copying. You copied something that someone else didn't want you to copy. Not stealing and not piracy. Since you didn't enter into a contract to copy it, is not even a breach of contract.
The fact that they called it stealing and piracy removed any moral high ground that they ever believed they had. As knowingly calling something for what is not is mislabeling and thereof FRAUD!
Want your software to be bought instead of copied? Offer a better product than the unauthorized copy version.
I've been saying this for years!.
You steal the work that people put into that content.
If you don't pay for that content, they'll have to find other ways to make a living.
"Pirate" actually comes from "pirate radios" operating from ships out in international waters I believe, but yeah, "stealing" is a bit much.
@@rexsceleratorum1632 that came later. In short pirate, comes from pirateering, basically running small business on a ship, I think it's a pidgeon of cajun french. Priveering radio for saftey and ocasionally radio (for land) wasn't around untill the 1800s (a little past caribean pirates). lol either way, perfect, unauthorized copies isn't exactly theft or stopping anything. Your not holding a BFG to someones head and demanding they not sell photoshop or whatever else. No one told a C-suite to enshitify adobe with renting (subscricribing to) photoshop. no one putting a gun to a exec suite in nintendo to tell them to stop selling games.
@@mondodimotori depends on the product. But in the gaming/film industry specifically? Nine times out of ten, you're not taking from the developer/director's pockets, you're taking from the greedy studio execs who don't care about you or need your money.
The scarier part is that if this law passes, once they realize that you can easily just use a vpn to bypass restrictions, vpns will be outlawed.
Businesses at large wouldn't allow that to happen - they rely on that for teleworking and site-to-site communications.
Its all about control. With this law they can this way ban any website they dont like under accusation of piracy.
The reality is that there is finite consumer dollars available for movie tickets, finite consumer dollars available for streaming subs. If you make legal access easy and offer a good value then you'll get those dollars.
Mentioning SOPA brought back the memories of Aaron Swartz. You know it's been just over a decade since he passed?
It's less about what they are doing now, and more about what they may do next.
These companies absolutely have the means to sway any government to do their bidding. Making such a new law syphons time from other important matters as well as costs great amounts of money. And if your government is willing to do this only for the benefit of these specific people, maybe you need to wake up. Ask your representatives why your money is being wasted like this.
Sometimes I wish these corporations won against piracy for like a year, only to discover that their income doesn't increase. People would just move on to other things. And it would be even funnier if the income went down, because people using piracy as "demo" would stop buying crap altogether.
Vpn has great use against tyrannical political regimes
In North America, ISP's will absolutely stop your service if you get a cease and desist but continue to pirate. VPN's are an absolute required thing here.
you won’t get a C&D. honestly it really depends. i’ve violated my AUP with an old ISP atleast 6 times, and the only threat they gave was terminating my service. not that i really cared, and yes during the times of getting those violates I was using a VPN, so the ISP somehow can figure out if you’re pirating
Some US ISP's like Mediacom only give you three notices before they turn off your Internet for life which you can't really get around in many cases since they're usually geographic monopolies. And even worse you can't even fight the notices as not yours until they remove service and then if you fight it they say your open to lawsuits. Robo notices that don't even list what was supposedly pirated are also sent and treated as if they're legitimate.
Not in Canada, unless they've changed something recently. I got a DMCA letter about two years ago, and my ISP explicitly told me nothing would happen, they just pass them along.
@@xorxpert It depends on where your VPN is a lot of VPN sites still hold your info and your ISP or police /gov agencies can get a warrant or just ask for your data. I know some people that only use VPN based in China for that reason.
No they won't. I've been ignoring those emails for decades. They're a joke, even in the US.
the people who pirate weren't going to pay for any thing and in most cases cant buy things. with the huge rising cost to just live. it makes it harder and harder to afford basic items. so being able to play all the games or watch all new movies would cost more then rent every month.
You put a great deal of focus on the nefarious purposes that anonymized VPNs without logs can be put to, but what about the nefarious purposes to which mass surveillance of internet traffic is put?
Piracy does not "steal" jobs. There is too much money in the industry for piracy to hurt it
No, piracy does hurt some business in the industry to some degree, there is no denying that.(I can imagine some indie devs etc. feel it)
But by far not as much, as some/most want to make it to be in general.
100 pirate DL's ain't 100 sails they missed out.
@@ebhaenger8246 Adding to the point many sites that sell codes for games are piracy and seen as worse by many indie devs
In all fairness. Most people who pirate are not the type of people who would pay for a service or pay to go to the cinema if pirating was taken away as an option.
Businesses shouldn't penalise actual paying customers for theoretical lost money from pirates (eg SKY/Now TV raised prices due to pirates.... their infrastructure does not change at all. They are just charging customers more for no good reason).
Of course many people who pirate would start paying for services if they systemically couldn’t pirate anymore. They’re still incentivized socially and personally to watch new shows and movies. In what world would people just stop consuming if they couldn’t get the content they wanted for free?
@@CharlieQuartz A *huge* number of them would just watch free stuff, like CZcams, and play old games they already have. Traditional TV has been dying off for years, and no "social incentives" are changing that.
@@ImminDragon “Traditional TV” hasn’t been dying off, it just switched platform from cable to streaming. The same highballers (Warner Bros, 20th Century, Universal, Sony) are producing movies and shows the same as they have been for decades, and they aren’t making any less money. They just moved from televisions to tablets. Nobody who makes content on free platforms can compete with their production values, and still don’t get views like traditional movies and shows do. People far over-value the strength of independent creators to the general audience. They wouldn’t hold 90% of viewers’ attention against the marketing forces that convince everyone to see the latest Nolan film.
Games are a totally different issue, as many have spelled out here. Steam and GOG managed to all but eliminate the incentive for piracy in the game market so everyone would play the latest Battlefront.
@@CharlieQuartz go go gadget, region lock!
@@CharlieQuartz "In what world would people just stop consuming if they couldn’t get the content they wanted for free?" In the world where people just don't care that much. A lot of people consume media to kill time. If it isn't available they'll just find something else to do.
The sheltering of the ne'er do wells also allows allows for dissidents or even just regular people to communicate and learn.
I live in SEA and government tried that. Didn't quite work out. I've never expected in my life that Canada is that intrusive with user privacy.
Piracy does not have zero damage-but the amount of damage it does cost is in my opinion so negligible as to be a non-issue. The amount of people who "would have bought it if there was no piracy option" is tiny compared to the number of people who would simply not obtain a copy without piracy as an option.
I would disagree. Sure, if piracy was not an option that existed, people wouldn't buy 'that' specific piece of media, but their individual expenditure in the entertainment sector would raise by orders of magnitude. Simply because people are addicted to entertainment. There are societal pressures to watch newest show, the newest movie. Piracy is big, so is the lost revenue in entertainment.
@@oari1150 yeah no. People would just share games/movies by hanging out or buying in group like it was done before piracy was widly available.
@@Destilight or watch more content CZcams
Citation needed. I wonder if someone could devise some kind of experiment that could test this once and for all. I feel like I'm pretty much in the clear, personally. I don't think I've pirated anything that I would have paid for if piracy was not an option. But I don't think that's true for everyone.
piracy acts like advertisment it helps you find stuff you would never buy if you really like somthing you want a proper copy of it
Oh the party is just getting started. You can't legislate your way out of this one. It's profoundly stupid to think that you can.
Getting completely off topic and discussing Letterkenny instead is something I am 100% here for.
This is why I love to watch Canadian creators.
I'd love a blu ray copy of some Disney + shows but they don't exist so...
This isn't about piracy. This is about blocking Free Use and legitimate criticism under the guise of anti-piracy.
Our Lord once said “privacy is a service problem”