Another Typical French vs English Debate
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2021
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11:18 "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but once there is nothing left to take away." -Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
Très bonne vidéo comme d'habitude
now you see i would agree with your argument however you are french so if i did that, i’d have to be executed for treason against the crown. that and the fact the bowl exists means i have to support him.
As an American I would like to request that you would kindly refrain from lumping us with the British.
@@Sixty___Four that makes two of us
@Gaming Time agreed that’s why i’m british
There's only one way to stop an Englishman and a Frenchman from fighting and that's to bring Germany into the argument
Or Minecraft...
@@Feu_Ghost so Sweden
Or shit talk about USA
@@Feu_Ghost Or Mein Kraft
Or the USA or even Belgium, that's a way to calm all parties involved. Another way is to put them in awe in front of Japan, because for some reasons (that make sense to be honest) most seems to love Japan.
I fucking lost it when FC pulled out a gun and shot in the tribunal when bowl called a "pain au chocolat" a "chocolatine"
That's kinda a meme at that point that there is a debate about that while the debate never existed to begin with ^^
But so damn funny, I was not expecting that and was not disappointed!
At least bowl didn't say "Le Fishe au Chocolat.".
Yeah its basically France's version of the debate about hot dogs being sandwishes or not.
@@kuroblack794 Yes and no, basically a region (small region) of France call that "Chocolatine" for whatever reason, but it's called "Pain au Chocolat" , 95% of France, all country where French is spoken and even country where people don't speak French call that by his real name
Honestly, i think there are more people in the world that think the earth is flat that people that call a pain au chocolat "chocolatine"
"Son, always remember: *Never let a woman with big teeth near your carrot."*
words to live by right there
While the silly antics of this group never fail to amuse, this one was something special; mostly because of how much the editing as improved. The seizures and gunshots caught me so off guard.
I know and it actually adds to the shall we say, Comédie
FC was more convincing, but Bowl murdered him with the pomme de terre paragraph.
The winner: us for getting to witness this
FC should have brought up "pomme de pin" (literally "pine apple", means "pine cone"), seeing how "pineapple" in english is "ananas" in every other language.
I would like Bowl to explain how the word "butterfly" was created...
@@elosaybonjour4250 Butterfly can be explained: butter spoils extremely quick when not in a cold place, given that most butterflies die of old age in a week or something, and that they are extremely easy to damage (soft as butter), the butter comparison makes sense.
@@yoster39
Wow, that actually makes sense.
@@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear what I don't get is why he didn't mentioned that we actually use "patate" and "pomme de terre" is just an old term we still know but don't use. Also english use to call it the same thing so the only difference is that it's not a forgotten term in french
"Sounding like a microwave and a cow having a conversation" is the best phrase I've heard used to describe something
MGR enjoyer, have a great day, Minuano.
is that the only thing you know for real
Mfs took my right arm and sword cant have shit in metal gear
@@bigmoeceooftheboppers3380 all they gave you in return is some weird Desperado brand mouth armor
@@bigmoeceooftheboppers3380 Then you took another man’s hand, eye, multiple chunks of their body.
I cannot wait for an ending, when Bowl and Fuck Cares acknowledge their differences, Bowl learns French and they start both speaking on the mix of two languages to gang up against other’s bullshit :)
Pretty sure Bowl will never learn French out of spite XD
They'd be too powerful then
I’m alright with them just fucking
@@priestoffern1608 Why do you think one is Phoenix and the other Edgeworth? There is no coincidence...
I was full of dreams, then I read "Bowl learns French" and my dreams died because I know this is never going to happen xd
When the Great Ace Attorney truth theme kicked in, I knew headassery was about to ensue.
Bro you like this channel too?! Nice
Huh, I just stumbled upon this channel, how small the world is. xD
As a french who can speak both languages, this is exactly what I want
As an Italian who also speaks both, I agree with you
Same
Play Minecraft ? I see you are a man of culture as well (I'm french too obviously)
As a French that also speaks both languages, I can only agree with you, mon pote
Je suis français et anglais j’aime trop ces vidéos mdr
Also, to further your argument about English royalty using French, ask Bowl: "why are the name of the farm beasts in English: Ox, pig, sheep, hen, etc; while the name of the MEAT is in French? Beef, Pork, Mutton, Poultry?"
Because peasants spoke English and generally saw only the cattle, while nobility spoke French and only saw what was on their table: the products.
Damn thats cold bro
Very smert man
Being snotty nepotism babies isn’t a bragging right … eat the rich! This is why the French Revolution happened
As an American, you guys make me proud. French-British rivalry is what gave us our independence.
And the result of your independence heavily influenced the French Revolution lol
**USA Citizen
@@bk_3775 american is still correct there
@@popojelly1895what the fuck do you mean
If Bowl realised that he probably would start saying sorry to FC
Bowl is outing himself as an American traitor in the first two minutes.
Lots of people in England unironically say "X-thousand and Y" or even "X thousand, Z-hundred and Y", and any proper Englishman would maintain that. The only exceptions are for time - we'll say "twenty twelve" because it's faster, not because it's uncomfortable, and people who use the 24-hour clock might say "Nineteenhundred" to mean 1900. And I think the former might be an American import.
It's hard when your language is the bastard child of Latin, Germanic and a little Celtic, then your own bastardised child eclipses you so thoroughly your own bastardised language changes to be like their bastardised bastard language.
Too be honest, I use the X hundred and Y when using the one-nine thousands. As people saying Nineteen-Hundred to refer to time, that is a military saying; oh-six-hundred hours to mean 6am.
True Brits always use 24 hour clocks unless they are simply saying an obvious time. Like when one of my students asks what time it is ‘it’s 2’ - they don’t need me to add ‘pm’ because they can work it out themselves
True, I'm Australian and I've never heard "fifteen hundred" except in American media.
I think I had a stroke reading that last part
And some Greek roots too
The only time one should say "fifteen hundred" is if they are talking abt 1500AD
Big Brain Bowl is pure nightmare fuel.
Also, as a French, can confirm : we're all mimes with baguettes and MOUSTACHES !
Yes we are, et fiers de l'être !
Et le gun que FC a sorti à la mention de chocolatine 😂
@@galaad8978 IL Y AVAIT DES RAISONS. ON NE DÉCLARE PAS UNE GUERRE SANS CONSÉQUENCES.
Il faut dire pain au chocolatine, comme ça tu enerves tous le monde d'un coup.
@@solarstorm5242 tu crois que j'ai attendu pour le faire !?🤣😂
Yay ! And for the info, we don't say "hon hon". We're not goose. We say "e e" (because we make fun of the ones that think that).
Bowl is one of the most complex and puzzling humans in history. Only a few months ago, in the first French Baguette Intelligence video, he was taking the debate seriously, making and countering arguments, and talked about as much as FC. From then on, he'd quickly spiral into someone who only chipped in every two minutes, and would focus less on making compelling arguments in favour of an irrational but funny statement. Most people's personalities take at least a year or two to change so drastically. What could have triggered such a quick descent? Did the trauma of repeatedly forgetting his password crack him? Did he develop a crippling addiction to snorting powdered sugar? Did he suffer side effects from his brain transplant? Or is he aware of this CZcams channel's existence and has altered his Discord persona to the liking and amusement of the viewers in a (successful) scheme to become the most beloved FBI debater? If so he is a genius and the only true winner of any debate.
He just argues better when he’s drunk, that’s all.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence damn
Honestly as Italian: both French and English speakers shouldn't even talk about phonetic consistency.
I mean, why do you make them so hard to speak? Come one guys, look at Spanish, it's so simple, they write a word and they pronounce it the same way. Spanish speakers are intelligent, be like Spanish speakers- WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY FIFTEEN HUNDRED WHAT THE HELL IS THAT
YOU TAKE FIFTEEN AND TIMES IT BY 100 ITS LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE FRENCH ONE
@@Alonzi. I am not saving the French either but "fifteen hundred" makes my ears bleed. Anyway who am I to judge other langu- lmao it's the whole point of this video
Yup. And don't get started on the "teen" and "ty" numbers.
"fifteen" and "fifty". Do you really have to do this?
I'm not sure about spanish, though portuguese, italian and spanish all came from the latin language, which is a non-existent language nowadays. Anyways, in português, instead of saying that mess of letters, or the overly complicated french way of saying those numbers, all you say is "quinze" and "cinquenta".
Quinze = 15
Cinquenta = 50
Not hard and isn't a huge mess of words. It's simple and gets to the point.
And the infamous "fifteen hundred"? Simple:
"Quinze mil"
@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world
Spanish: quince y cinquenta
Italian: quindici e cinquanta
Wait, fifteen hundred is 1500, isn't quinze mil 15000?
@@kermitthefrog4830 yeah it is. Sorry but i got confused there.
It's true. Quinze mil is 15000. I got confused.
Fifteen hundred is cento e cinquenta. In english, this would mean one hundred and fifteen or "fifteen hundred", however, we love to do the math and then pronounce the result. A bit like the french i guess :p
Edit: wait, 1500 would mean it's mil e quinhentos. Jesus i really need to get my head straight.
I am firm in the belief that a lot less people would be complaining in the US about the complexity of French and other languages if they were consistently taught at a young age. Where I grew up, they didn’t even offer foreign language classes as an OPTION until adolescence. It’s baffling to me. I struggle to think of a more practical and attractive skill to put on a resume. That’s not even bringing up how many immigrant families there are who lose their languages from home upon coming here. It’s a serious problem. It’s why my mother (she’s a teacher at an elementary school) ACTIVELY encourages her kids, most of whom are Hispanic, to keep writing and speaking Spanish.
cant force a kid to learn a language because part of learning a language is going out to learn it more forcing a kid wont make that happen thats partially why language classes in the states fail hell anywhere they fail in japan they have english classes and they fail because the students dont care for it
I learned french from 4th grade to 9th grade. I hated it and I was still so bad after 5 years
I mean you can encourage them
To do that but the chances they do are pretty low considering how often they’ll actually need to or want too. Like ya sure they could speak Spanish with Spanish speaking friends but would probably write more in English. Got a friend who literally only speaks it when talking to his grandma because other wise there’s no need and it’s easier
Americans don't have the opportunities to naturally speak/practice foreign languages like Europeans do. However, the US has the best language leaning centers in the world, such as the Military one and the Mormon Missionary one. Europoors btfo
I had Spanish in elementary school… but i feel sorry for the teachers who had to try to teach 95% of the students who didn’t care and weren’t going to learn.
I remember talking to a guy on discord who was salty people didn’t talk about the spanish conquests as frequently as the british colonisation, this reminded me of that argument, in the ways of, Nu-uh, *we’re* the biggest assholes around.
That reminds me of how in the West pretty much everyone talks about the Atlantic Slave Trade but no one talks about the Arab Slave Trade despite it lasting for much longer period of time.
@@MormonDude
In Canada, the last "pensionnat" (too lazy to translate, but it's a school where you sleep there too generally) a place to force young native americans into the society, was brought down late 90s
Also, we recently found "a public cemetery(i think a place where they buried corpses to hide them)" with hundreds of children corpses near one.
Also, the entire Canada is based on native americain territories that they own legally (wich is problematic since, like, a lot of people live in Canada)
@@poledra4153 yeah Canadians and Americans like to point fingers and say that one is better than the other but we’ve both got problematic histories and problems that we deal with currently.
@@MormonDude thing is the arab slave tradewasnt that diferwnt from.usual classical slavery, youwould remember at a point the ottomans were run by effective slaves , no such thing in the west.
Spain has a fuckload of people who actively try to deny that there was anything wrong in Spanish colonization. It's tiring.
I also love how this went from "your language sucks" to "you're short and that's why your girlfriend left you" jesus lol
Y'all should legit *write dialogue for TV* or something. The comebacks are so savage and creative 🤣
Seeing Edgeworth and Wright have seizures and little happy dances brings me so much joy. Why won't my eyes stop watering.
I'd like to add, I love how most of the time that members of these debates have emotional responses, they rein them in and regain a steady logical train of thought.
FC nice content.
It's really funny to me that out of all the insults and slurs in the English language, there's nothing that stings worse than being called an American.
You're getting too good at this.
Ace attorney was *never* meant to be this expressive
Thanks to the people in the community who make custom sprites like these.
France: Has some of the most important mathematicians in history like Poisson, Laplace et cetera
Also France: What the fuck is an eighty bro? we have four twenties
12:55 funny thing is, i can say as a native spanish speaker, he actually said "Si" wrong. Its meant to be "Sí", not "Si".
This difference is made because "Sí" is YES, while "Si" is IF.
Don't know about you, but I don't see a weird I button on my laptop
Don't think Bowl knows how to use accents in his keyboard.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence hmm fair enough.
Estoy bastante seguro de que la RAE reconoce ambas como correctas.
@@Cabesandia No, no es correcto. Tiene que haber una forma de diferenciar ambos signifcados y esa función cumple la tildación.
You somehow managed to increase the production value of an objection.lol video while keeping the same absolutely hilarious material. Mad props.
okay well basically both french and english are messed up in the way they are due to their orthography not having changed and updated to fit the language, which explains the backward seeming words in english like lead and read, and the stupid spellings of others; this also explains why there are so many silent letters in french, though french always had a relatively standard spelling and therefore is still just a couple of consistent rules that don’t appear as logical as they actually are. The numbering system in french is by all means inferior to the english, but not entirely due to the math involved. french pulled an english and took some influence from other languages in certain parts; the odd base twenty number thing is from celtic languages, specifically the previous gaulish language i think. this also explains english’s weird use of do- it’s similar to only the celtic languages of britain from before and is one of the only celtic influences on english. overall, if you want to criticize them, it’s really easy for both due to their outdated orthographies and odd influences (another big influence i haven’t mentioned is germanic languages on french but yeah), but they’re both beautiful languages except french is beautifuler.
The thing is the numbers are only illogical if you compare it to other language. English is just inconsistent in it's pronunciation
Another reason for English's messed-up orthography is that the Latin alphabet (the one you're using to read and text right now) was not created or optimized for English use. French has a leg up on this one since the Latin alphabet was optimized for use of the Latin language, and as a descendant of Latin, French has the advantage of having a perfectly usable orthography graphed to their sounds.
Thing is, English *used* to have a perfectly serviceable orthography before it was shoved on our linguistic ancestors, and it was an alphabet called the Futhorc. It's descended from the Elder Futhark, which was used to write a grandaunt language, Proto-Norse. The Elder Futhark went on to make the Younger Futhark, the orthography used by Old Norse speakers, and the Futhorc, the orthography of the Anglo-Frisians. Thing is, with Proto-Norse being more similar to Anglo-Frisian than Latin was to Old English, that was a recipe for weird choices (did you know we used to have two separate letters for the th in thin and the th in this?)
Blame the French for screwing our orthography up and forcing their stupid alphabet on us. We could've been using RUNES to write, dammit!
Okay, actually, that could have been cool to do. Also, to those people that are scawed by a few french numbers: You can take the coward way and do like Belgium and the Swiss: "Septante", "Octante" and "Nonante" (respectively for 70, 80 and 90.) It's faster to say, makes sense of latin roots, and overall don't feel out of place. Even a froggie can understand that, and froggies (like me) are the absolute worst when it comes to a slight change of word.
Also, you may think that it's dumb to name them that way, since September, October, November and December are the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th months. Let me reassure you: it's not dumb. The calandar is. Sept means 7, Octo means 8 (think of an octogon), Novem means 9, and Decem means 10 (a decade is 10 years.) Just thought I'd point that out as well.
@@prophetedubaroque5136 i meant that it was inconsistent in comparison to itself- forty isn’t deux-vingts
@@inkylynx2777 yup- thorn (þ) and eth (ð) which is much more logical than th but yeah. in old english i don’t think they were used correspondingly though, either could be used for any th sound
16:29 The quick draw was funny enough, but seeing Bowl's position immediately afterwards was the icing on the cake.
5:37 "French is a language of ROYALS!"
Didn't your royals get fucking annihilated or...
We annihilated them ourselves.
Did the english ever fought against royalty?
@@minignoux4566 Apprently you haven't heard of the English Civil War
@@antoninuslarpus7107 My second sentence was a genuine question, but thanks for answering.
@@minignoux4566 oh then sorry for sounding hostile then
@@antoninuslarpus7107 Sorry, it's hard to understand the intention just trough text, and i just assumed it was hostile because i saw a lot of hostile people using the same formula.
Ah yes, the sequel I needed. Also, I love the effort with all the custom expressions in this video.
Esta experiencia fue como ninguna otra.
I'm a native speaker of Portuguese. I've never studied French in my whole life.
I undestood that sentence on my first try
@@Bruno_Noobador What sentence?? “Esta experiencia fue como ninguna otra”?? That’s in Spanish, not French.
But yeah, those 3 languages are kinda similar. It’s hard for me to understand Portuguese and French when spoken, but written they aren’t that hard to understand.
@@Gaogull The same thing applies to Italian, as a matter of fact. But anyway, yeah, that last bit I said was in Spanish, not French.
@@Gaogull I told you I've never studied French
@@snomflakes Ik. I’m learning Italian (with Duolingo, but it counts (I think?)) because a big part of my family is Italian (even though there are like 2 people that actually speak Italian in my family). Is kinda hard to me when my brain compares it with Spanish, because some words are written and pronounced the same but mean completely different things (like burro (in Italian means butter (if I’m wrong blame Duolingo) and in Spanish means donkey (you probably speak Spanish, so idk why I’m explaining this part)).
As a Spanish speaker living in the USA's backyard i learned English at a very young age by myself, i knew the language as a second nature, but i didn't knew 100% of its rules, as i began a relearning process i noticed the inconsistencies, the things that didn't made any sense, such as the irregulars words that to me were stupid, in the end i found a greater love for my mother tongue, as i now see it as something solid, simple and to the point, even though it lacks in the rythmic nature of portuguese, it has a nice flow considering it is a very rigid language. Unlike English were everyone with enough influence can change the language without any kind of opposition
Portuguese >>>>>>>>
Lo siento...
_Catorce, quince, dieciseis..._
@@arthurius_3022 brazilian portuguese>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When i began noticing inconsistencies, it made this language all the more interesting to analize, though i *did* get confused to hearing that some teachers say that it's " *I* before *E* except after *C",* though (but i guess they were *once* correct...)
How i hate the irregular words
"French people are mimes with silly mustaches running around with baguettes."
"Yes. So what?"
Damn, FC won this one.
*Marcel Marceau rises from his grave to sing the French national anthem*
English do be treating other languages like vocabulary expansion packs though.
True but now EVERYONE uses English as a vocabulary expansion pack.
@@arrowslinger2460
English _is_ a convenient thesaurus, having mugged so many other languages in dark alleys for loose grammar and spare vocabulary.
The sequel we all needed.
Yet no one except bowl deserved.
@@bowlmrbowl5503 Excellent.
As a mostly spanish talker, I fell honored to see the language I use being praised by a French.
The little I know about French, Italian and Portuguese makes me ask myself how they have those accents and our language don't, but then I remember that Latinoamerica has at least 5 different accents and word elections that are different enought to deserve a different dub in some movies, but gramatically, it is true that Spanish at least makes you pronounce what you write, with a really few exceptions.
Even the ´ is easy to use and useful.
Bowl es español honorario, ese discurso dios mio: "Si... Señor."
Sublime.
Fino señores
Lo mas bonito que mis ojos han visto en esta puta vida mia. Magnífico 👏👏👏
Fino señores 🍷🍷
Es una pena que Bowl haya usado el "Si" equivocado XD.
Es perfecto
"French people are mimes with silly mustaches running around with baguettes" I lost my crap there, good conclusion.
Then they became friends again and decided to play Cubic Capitalism
I fully believe that Bowl has recreated Buckingham Palace in loving Minecraft detail and will not be persuaded otherwise.
Ultimately, English is a discordant language spawned by the clash of two cultures that then spread across the world. Thousands of isolated groups formed their own dialects and variations, which were always changing. There were, relative to other languages, very few successful attempts at standardization, and even today English lacks a universally accepted set of rules. In many cases, standardization is left up to school systems themselves, which will once again vary vastly from one legislative body to another. For the majority of English's time as a language, there was ZERO spelling standardization, and people generally spelled things however the fuck they wanted, and our modern spelling standardization comes from a bunch of scholars all arguing and comprising over things. This resulted in our, "rules," being more like a guide to understanding spelling rather than a structure for it. Unfortunately, many things in the English language are shitty holdovers like this one. It's doubtful it can ever be fixed.
Edit: Which is not to say I don't think it is an elegant and useful language! I just recognize its flaws. I love English and all of its inconsistencies. I write in English for a living and wouldn't have it any other way.
English is fucked, that’s why I’d rather learn and speak in German and French (Spanish is another language I’m learning, but it’s also fucked) because Deutsch and Français actually *MAKE SENSE.*
A great deal more than two
@@olorinmagus4479 initially it was just two, the language becoming a union of Celtic and Latin.
Honestly, I love English because you can just say what the fuck ever and as long as you loosely follow the terms of the language, other people will know what you’re talking about
Literally saying “apple tree” can be butchered into “the fucking red ball plant thing” and most people will know what you mean, it’s just such a shitpost of a language and I love it specifically for that
English spelling got influenced by the fucking Flemish, THE FLEMISH, when a flemish publication changed the spelling of words like ghost to what they are today. Literally every single culture in the world has had a turn with English.
I guess I'm a weird English-speaker, but I find myself saying numbers as "one thousand five hundred" rather than "fifteen hundred" during math. Makes it easier to visualize for me. Except when dealing with years/centuries, in which case I say "fifteen hundred" as is more common.
As a native brazilian who speaks Portuguese, used to teach English in Brazil and now lives in the UK: I'm with FC.
I never really properly studied grammar. I just knew things were right or wrong instinctively cuz I'm mostly self-taught... But when I started teaching it, I noticed how fucking inconsistent English can be. Anyway, sometimes I wish I could participate in this kind of discussion, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to keep up. Anyway, thx for reminding me to perfect my Spanish.
Yeah, my little brother is learning English and i am helping him, and it's so inconsistent, everytime there's a rule there are at least a hundred exceptions to it
Debate aside, the editing on this is stellar! Nicely done! 😎
We're back to the war!
"British people are just Americans with funny accents"
As a non-American, can confirm
As an American, can also confirm
as a south-american, I can also confirm
As an American with a funny accent, can confirm
We are all American, comrade
I love all the videos on this channel, but these Bowl-centered videos are always the funniest.
Yessir another typical French and English debate video 😫
Omfg the chaotic energy in this video has me dying 💀💀💀
I swear lmao
These videos keep getting better. Ace Attorney has got to be the best formula for showing arguments.
2:55 "Below The Belt: The Best Place To Hit Physically And Mentally: A Book By Bowl"
11:59 As an English speaker who barely scraped by spanish class I can say: Spanish is the perfect language, the only reason I failed it is because the school I was learning it in sucked and thew me in on my own and said "good luck, we'll be grading your self learning very harshly"
So now I fear it.
But from what I salvaged from my panic, it's pretty efficient.
damn there really is an editing stepup
"Behold! The Mighty Earth Apple!"
I need chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth immediately, for my heart has stopped from an overdose of ROFLMAO
'French people are mimes with silly mustaches running around with baguettes'
'Yes'
The whole "independence from uk is the most celebrated holiday" broke me. And the real nuclear basedness of France is its use of nuclear power ngl.
I'm french and a teacher, and I can say that both french and english are as bad for very different reasons, 70 80 90 are a nightmare for a lot of children age 6 to 10 to learn especially the ones that struggle with reading in the first place (and we should adopt the septante, huitante and nonante found in other countries), same thing with silent letters and don't let me start on the verbs and their forms. English is "easy" to speak (though some sounds like "th" don't exist in other languages) but written english is utter nonsense, with the same letter or combination of letter making totally different sounds. In general both are highly inefficient especially french which can take up to 9 years for a native to use correctly and I'm of the opinion that we would be better off with a language like Esperanto which is way easier to learn use and actually make logical sense.
I do agree with you, but never in my life will I say huitante, it's fucking disgusting. I love my Quatre-vingt, and wont drop it for anything less than octante. I will die on this hill, if I have to
yeah like saying 'grammar' is the problem is generalising the issue, both languages are somewhat similarly difficult to learn to the same speaker, as they are both hm similar
if you start by mentioning read-read-lead-led, orthography is the issue
english writing is a double trainwreck where 1. reading aloud a word at first sight and 2. writing down a word you hear for the first time are both actions that require you guess a pattern between that word and others that you know, or outright knowing its etymology constantly
french is fine for the most part fine for reading, but for writing down what you are hearing, the exact same problem arises as in english
especially (but not only) with conjugations and declinations
I would argue that it's not even easy to speak, as it has a ton of confusing tidbits. IE, you have "ar" which can be pronounced as "er" or "er" which can be pronounced as "er" and then you have "ir" which can be pronounced as "er" or "or" which can be pronounced as "er..." That's absolutely idiotic. Even more ridiculous is when you see words like "colour" (the non-American spelling makes this readily apparent why it's dumb). It's pronunciation is "kuh" - "lr" but then you see a word like "tour" which isn't pronounced as "tir" but rather "toor." And that's just one of many examples of the language doing crazy things.
Language is beautiful. To change it can make it lose that beauty (wtf is beauty spelt that way?). I would love to complain about Japanese kanji, and i will, but it makes the language cool to look at and provides an artform in calligraphy.
@@cybieck8690
Octante sonne bien
Huitante sonne affreux
The editing in this one is exceptional!
Absolutely loved the desk smashing animation from Fuck Cares
''Canada acts as the USA's lapdog''
Never before have I been offended by something I 100% agree with.
As a french speaker my favorite hobbies are complaining about how complicated french is and cramming the most french word in English class while still technicly be speaking English to annoy my teacher she cant fail me if its technicly English I also like learning words from Australia or Scotland to mess with her
That "Yes. So what?" at the end made me laugh to death
I'm sorry FC but within the first 5 mintues you had already lost the battle, Bowl's roasts were legendary
Who would win:
• FC, intricately verbose slayer of SJW thots and alt-right racists alike, often at the same time
• One based Bri’ish troll Bowl
I fucking love this channel.
@@astraldirectrix FC’s arguments are well constructed and ultimately superior… but Bowl simply doesn’t care… and not because he’s stupid and doesn’t understand the conversation, he just doesn’t care and goes for irrelevant roasts XD
Thankfully, I’ve never been in a situation like FCs - most arguments I lose are because the other person is too dumb to understand what’s going on, so they just walk around thinking they are the best. The only way I stay sane is knowing that these people will show their ‘victory’ to their friends and one of them will realise ‘wait a minute… you got destroyed!’
Bowl's arguing is so all over the fucking place... it's headachingly beautiful.
honestly bowl is totally right about french numbers man... i get it sounds right to french people but so does "noventa y nueve" to spanish speakers and it is so much better and optimal. on the other hand, one thousand is just "mil" in spanish. spanish is perfect 🥰🥰🥰
I already know English and Spanish, but your videos are making me interested in learning French lol
Same
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as a native hebrew speaker i can unfortunately confirm that the french arent the only one who say "earth apples"
English sucks ass sometimes. I do not speak French so I cannot speak about it, but it does sound elegant when spoken properly. The only French I know is from ratatouille so that's probably not enough but eh, I've done worse.
Another fabulous video, the newer editing is amazing lmao. The little dance had me rolling. Bowl mixing MMM of microwave and Moo of cows to form French is the funniest thing ever, I'm sorry FC. I have changed sides. Bowl is my new master (which is kinda ironic with me being Indian and all but whatever)
Also, I'd like to know your thoughts on the best version of le festin there is.
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Tbh I can’t bear to hear French I try to learn it, then i hear French conversations and I’m baffled why people speak this bullshit
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And tbh I can't bear hearing English in general. Not that the language is shit, but because there is so many accents and they're really different from one another when comparing two of them.
Like, I know we French people got some accents too, but they're not an obstacle to understand what a person might say, whereas a British guy skipping the Ts in the pronounciation (because he drank all of them) might not understand at all what an American with a half thick accent might say, let's say that famous guy who said "Naked grandma" in Family Feud.
@@clemente3966 lol YES.
@@clemente3966 But what about the Quebecois
@@TheRenegade...
I've got no problem about understanding what's said behind the accent, iirc what I've heard one time it's in fact close to the old accent French people had or smthin.
But there might be expressions and words unique to the Québécois that I wouldn't understand, and I would bet that they could use some English words that we don't use, like 'soccer' instead of 'football'. But I'm basing that claim on an ad so don't think much of that assumption.
So in general French and Québécois people would understand each other, there's only a few times when there would be a problem and it's not even because of the accent like with English speaking people, so they're completely fine.
A language doesn't need some kind of governing body, the natural progression and flow of a language over time is part of its beauty. Languages naturally change with time, refusing to accept this will only lead to other, more accommodating languages surpassing them in popularity. French absolutely has beauty in its elegance and complexity, but unfortunately its strict rules that have been enforced throughout history have led to less diversity in accents, dialects and other languages spoken within France. English on the other hand may be an inconsistent mess, but it's a more forgiving mess, wearing its history on its sleeve and allowing variation to a much greater degree. There is beauty in this as well.
I assure you, the natural progression of french speaking isn't beautiful
This channel is probably the best thing i've come across in 2021, the editing is stellar and i love the dynamic you guys have, of not getting actually butthurt over these discussions. Personally a problem i have with learning languages is the memorization, it never really sticks with me which makes the whole process really frustrating and disheartening.
If you find it difficult to remember something, try taking notes; it is far easier to remember things if you actively try to remember them. This is called active recall.
@@Harry_von_Karma Is this how you memorize your recipes when cooking?
@@abbysun9333 Not exactly, but actively doing things has the same effect.
@@Harry_von_Karma Noted
"Another typical French vs English debate : The return of the most complex geopolitical relationship in human History" Vol.2
English is the language of PEASANTS, French is the language of ROYALS!
Aye, and we all saw what you did to Royals, mate.
(Sidenote, I'm honestly surprised you didn't rub in that Lingua Franca was a french word)
"Native english speakers are the worst english speakers." I agree with the frenchman.
English is such a weird mix of all sorts of language structures, there is no inherent "English" structure of its own. Any rule in English grammar or spelling is full of contradictions.
Just like the country that spawned it, and proud of it
As someone who is currently learning Spanish, I fucking lost it when Bowl just said "Si."
I fucking love the dance Bowl does when he’s bullying you, nicely done.
Honestly I'm glad I learned Spanish while I was still like 7 years old. Growing up with two languages is so much easier than learning an entirely new one in your late 20's as I am now.
As a Spanish speaker, I actually prefer French. I find its complexity beautiful and elegant. In any case, I just hate when people that know absolutely nothing about the language, even if they are native speakers, try to change it for ignorant reasons, like it's happening in Spanish with "Todas y todos" and the weird "e" that serves the same purpose as the neutral "o". It makes my blood boil. So I really admire the French for forbidding the gender-neutral language in schools. I wish they would do the same in Spain, but what I see is teachers transmitting their own ignorance to their students. I'm losing so much faith in Spanish-speakers that I might as well become a full-time French-speaker. Thank you for your videos.
PD: Thank you all for commenting and sharing your points of views in such a polite and open-minded way. It has been very enlightening.
Spain momento
Bruh, imagine giving up your language because people who speak it don't agree with you.
Also the same thing is happening in France so you might want to choose another language
@@anelkia27 Obviously, I don’t really mean it. I’m just speaking in hiperbole to illustrate how much this matter annoys me and my appreciation of the French language.
Moi, je vis en France depuis ma naissance, et j’y vis désormais. Et cette langue n’est pas jolie en mon opinion. C’est complexe, je viens d’écrire au moins 23 lettres qui sont même pas prononcées ou qui font un son avec plusieurs, et c’est décevant de voir les autres langues romantiques, si belles, et puis la France, le contraire.
2 things, I am Bri'ish, but I do think that English should've had an authoritative source similar to Spanish and French, I try my best to annunciate my Ts and explain the colloquial words I use whenever I talk to foreign friends, but that can't be said for a lot of other Brits (also also Americans and Australians). It would probably be a lot harder to implement now seeing how much more varied the language has become all over the world, but it would be nice for all people to be able to speak the same language and not have to go through hoops about certain words.
Secondly, 10:32, absolutely this. I have this one friend who, whenever I complain about a game or an*me, says that I should "Stop watching/playing it". Maybe other people value their time more but I like to have an informed opinion on media, it gives me a greater appreciation for the good that the particular medium can bring, which is sadly lost on a lot of people.
For the first point, I quite disagree, and for the second point I couldn't agree more.
For the former, I am happy to have regional distinction. That is, after all, what makes different regions interesting. For an example, it is very interesting for me, as a native English speaker, to listen to a Scots speaker. Different regions should be able to develop different ways of doing things that suit their specific circumstances, and this includes language. Yes, it makes communication more difficult, but this is a cost that is necessary to bear for the benefits.
For the latter, it is good to examine the content we consume. Otherwise we end up with the classic "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products", which is an abhorrent position. There are some things that, while good, are simply not suited for a specific person, but there are also things that are rather simply just bad.
Having a council of people who dictate how a language is spoken is ineffective lol; nobody in France pays heed to the prescriptivists, only the dictionaries, which are descriptive
In regards to an authorative force for the English language, even if there was a single variant, I think the USA and the UK would not agree on who should be that authority.
The British would argue that, since they used the language the longest, they should be in charge. The USA could argue that their larger population is why they should be in charge, as they have more English speakers that would be influenced by such authority. In either case, the general public of one nation would disapprove the outcome.
As an addendum, French does have an issue today with English words being used by French speakers. I would attribute this partially to the decentralised nature of English compared to French. In French, words may only enter the language through official approval of a word, whereas in English words may enter upon sufficient usage. To restate, in English words enter the language because of usability, while in French they enter the language because of perceived usability on the part of a bureaucracy. It is an unfortunate issue that France has, and I am sympathetic with them. I do want the French to continue speaking French, not some pidgin of French and English.
Honestly, I the first part of your comment amusing. English had all the contradictions built-in specifically to trip up commoners who didn't have access to expensive grammar schools
Excellent channel. I think a lot of us envy being on this server with such fine lads.
I’m from Brazil (yes, we’re everywhere), and i believe it is known that Portuguese is basically a mix of Spanish and French, and taking classes on French (which god was it hard), and learning Spanish during my time in Brazil while now knowing English by living in the US, Portuguese does feel like a “prettier sounding” Spanish, so it has the simplicity and to the point Spanish with the pretty and phonetic sounding words from French, plus I feel like there’s a lot of creativity to create and make words in Portuguese, which i haven’t yet seen in English, but Ive seen in Spanish and French :) love your videos and I’m a big fan of different cultures and languages!
And yes I know there are plenty of mistakes in my comment :) my point is from experience Portuguese is just the best of both worlds thing
>Portuguese
>Prettier Spanish
Pssst
Yeah, the thing with English is that we don't usually create words, we just take a loanword from someone else's language and call it a day. This is the power of a non-gendered "the" and the verb "do" that FC was ranting about at the start.
If we have to make a word we usually make it an ugly compound word in Greek or Latin and then say "but it's English now!"
Almost 20 min of debate... To ask "wanna play minecraft?" just killed me instantly XD
“I just roasted your relationship in 2 languages froggy”
Let’s agree that, despite our conflicts, we’re both great. We have civilisation as old as Europe itself, amazing and dominant history, and great culture.
And also we're not Yanks
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I just want to add that as a Spanish writer,Cervantes was so good that he basically had a diccionary's worth of new words that basically he and only him knew,only letting us mortals see them through "El Quijote"
So yeah bowl,at least one of those DID revolutionize their languages
This was more in a vocabulary sort pf sense rather than a complete overhaul but i still found it funny
Potatoes are called "Erdapfel" - which literally means "Earth apples" by Austrians and some Swiss too, it is not really unique to French.
Isn't it Kartoffel?
I suppose it's the same thing as with French where we have "Pommes de terre" and "Patates".
@@minignoux4566 It IS “die Kartoffel”.
@Fairfax Oh ok.
I only really learned about germany and barely anything from Österreich and Schweiz
@@minignoux4566 Yeah... that might be the subject of a German vs Austrian debate -although Austrian is German anyway, it speaks German, change my mind-
I am absolutely loving these new sprites and animations. Y'all seem like such a fun group to just shoot the shit with sometimes.
I FUCKING LOVE THE EDITING ITS SO GOOD AND FITS IT SO WELL
The godwin's point has been reached when bowl used the word "chocolatine". But joke apart, thank you for it. It was very funny and interesting.
Sooo going to make a comment here, if I'm not wrong, in French it is "pomme-de-terre" because apples were quite tasteless by the time potatoes were introduce to Europe (it is not even close to the sweet apples we have today), so even when it's not the same consistency, a potato without being prepared is quite tasteless, as it was originally for the apple.
I thought it was because everyone called every fruit apples. Oranges were call the apple of the orange tree.
Also to note the English word "Pineapple" being equally as ridiculous, if not even more so.
Tho "Patate" is also used, at first there was a difference between the two ("Patate" was just the short for "Patate Douce" = Sweet Potatoes, while "Pomme de Terre" was for standard potatoes) but nowadays people can use both to speak about normal potatoes
@@IncitatusConsul I mean, it's a fruit that looks kinda like a pinecone, I can see how they got there. It's stupid but it does have some logic.
Bowl’s arguments are always so valid and true!
6:57 Funnily enough, French people actually tend to roll their eyes more often than others when talking
As a spanish speaker, I´ve talked with my brother (who also knows english) about how sometimes we feel "limited" when using english compared to spanish, since there are way *more* ways to express something that falls into de details on how you say it... however... it also annoys me this trend that it´s happening globaly that people simply want to *think less* which really affects everything for the worst...
Great video as always
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Bowl: "You're 5'7, I'm not. You lose."
FC: *dies*
My favourite bit of the video, got me chackling and wheezing in surprise! I am LOVING the additional animations for the characters!
bowl is legendary. he is literally not caring about the debate at all
On royalty - they were french-cultured vikings. It slowly transitioned back to germanic and celtic monarchies (Stuarts, Hanoverians, Tudors)
Oh fuck yeah another upload
4:32 Even if those were relevant, there's also waterfall.
Ei, FBI, você está conseguindo entender essa frase? Eu sei que é meio bobo mas eu estou curioso lol
Great video, can't get enough of these discussions. Both sides make good points whenever you aren't dunking on some random person, and it reminds me that arguments and discussions do not have a clear 'winner' by any means, and they're not confrontational by default.
Edit: okay, that ending was very funny lmao
"Ey, FC, do you manage to understand this sentence? I know it's silly but I am curious"?
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence okay now that's cool
@@cl0p38 Was that catalan ?
@@parasaul_ Portuguese. They're kinda similar tho, so many confuse them
@@cl0p38 Ah, shit, i'm embarrassed. Thank you anyway.
It's cute to see a pair of dwarves debating about why their inferior language is better than the other... At least FC aknowledged the better one *laughs in spanish at 2m*
Now for real, I also think french is overcomplicated grammarly speaking, as both a spanish and catalan speaker I see too how french could transition to use first catalan grammar (we also use diferent vowels èéòó) and then to spanish to add simplicity. And I agree with FC about the past tenses in english make no sense at all.
In the end, the more languages you know, the better tools you have at your disposal to communicate with foreign people.
Quien
@@lunevoleur8912 I would like to know if that's a question or an example of something.
@@Protosilver97 Nah, I was trying to make a "who asked you" in spanish because Im very mature
@@lunevoleur8912 You are, be proud.
Catalan grammar is just as complex as French grammar. I'm not sure how adopting Catalan grammar would really make that much of a difference.
17 minutes de pure plaisir.. Merci énormément à toi je suis heureux de voir du contenu aussi bon produit naturellement par des discussions discord et un montage de qualité sur un format de vidéo génial.
T'es vidéos sont toujours très drôle ou très enrichissantes n'arrête pas bg.
Les punchlines de Bowls et les tiennes sont absolument parfaite (même si t'as été plus dans l'explication que dans la punchline face à ce gamin de Bowls) et les nouvelles animations que tu utilises quand Bowl te taunt avec chocolatine ou comme même c'est juste génial 😂
En bref, force à toi et respect
I love how they actually can't deny any of each others' arguments about their country and language being shit so they just answer with another argument saying "yeah well, yours is worse because...". They just show why French and English are both shitty languages LMAO
well, said by a man who's only known for pizza...
eh
@@nilsmuot632 hei!.. We're known for pasta too
@@drakored1892 and paramegiano and pesto sauce (one of my fav sauce actually)
@@nilsmuot632 at least we are known for something good lol
@@riccardocirielli Yeah, like the famous ITALIAN EMPIRE lol.
ps: stop autolike your com, it's cringe af
Language is a tool meant to convey ideas. Add too much subtlety and ambiguity, and you get errors that render the language useless. There's a reason we transitioned away from analog computers to digital.
I love how it went from the consistency of each language to who's country has the biggest army.
Anytime I mention to people what nonsense English is and they don't believe me, I just ask them to explain to me why it is that love, cove, and move don't rhyme.
Lmfao these random strokes that FC and bowl has in the middle of talking when they slam the desk numerous amounts of times causes me to bellow in laughter.