Meet the Mennonites in Peru
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Hundreds of Mennonites, a secretive Christian community, have started three new colonies in the Peruvian Amazon. Members of this austere group recently migrated to Peru from Bolivia and Belize, where they have long-established populations. But now they’re being investigated by prosecutors in Peru, accused of illegally deforesting more than 34 square kilometers of rainforest over the past five years. CGTN’s Dan Collyns reports.
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they sell 26,000km of logs, and blame the mennonites who use 30km for agriculture. wtf.
Yes but though they should have reforest as much as possible to avoid the deforestation
In an earlier documentary we can see them arriving in their new land, it was still pretty much forest even without the greater logs, they really made a huge hole in the forest...
It was 4000 not 26000
Dime cómo surgieron los pueblos? Igual tuvieron que derribar árboles. Los menonitas no están construyendo favelas o invasiones como los cerros de lima sino pueblos agrícolas van a sacar provecho de la tierra. Tampoco es que destruyan la amazónica, sólo se les regula hasta dónde y ya. Son colonos productivos, lo que Perú necesita. Nos traen mas diversidad y riqueza cultural, déjenlos en paz.
And they grow food to sell to the residents.
Odd... my comment got deleted, where I pointed out that loggers cut over 26.000 km2 of rain forest in the past 20 years.... saying the Mennonites are the major contributor with 30 km2 is like saying I contribute to the majority of national water consumption by showering.
So you are justifying one wrong with another wrong?
@@motherearth517 Who said they did anything wrong? They're using that land to survive like it's the 1700's but without guns and they cultivate it. I just don't understand why everyone is beating up on the Mennonites.
There's probably a 0.0001 % of Peru that are Mennonites. Just a ball park figure. Just do the math using common denominators and let me know what you come up with. It's not rocket science.
It's really just another example of anti european prejudice...
@@motherearth517 there's nothing wrong with taking a small plot of land and using it for agriculture. weirdo
I think it's crazy that people are complaining about deforestation. These people took one bit of land in the most secluded area possible to farm and cultivate for their livelihoods, and get complained about. But when I look at JUST California on google maps it's COVERED in so many deforestation patches that at a certain zoom level it looks like a very low resolution and pixelated picture of something green. The hypocrisy is truly beyond words now.
it doesn't matter how secluded it is. monocrop fields like this might look green but they are ecological wasteland. i'd much rather farmers from california and peru and everywhere share their produce so we can preserve jungle that is critical for biodiversity, the soil and the atmosphere
@@Riotdrone
@@mightyredstallion No kidding, if they're not allowed to exist then no one is! They are the most productive people I've ever seen or even read about. Native Americans did more damage to their environment.
@@mightyredstallion these dudes are cutting down thousands of square miles of pristine forest and jungle to plant soybeans or whatever. that's one of the least 'green' things you could do. monocrop fields are the least sustainable form of agriculture possible and we need to preserve the ecology of the planet for everyone's sake
@@TiddlyBlinx the relationship between 'productivity' as we currently understand it and the environment is a hostile one. we are literally destroying the means that sustain our own life, and the life of every other species, in the name of productivity. true productivity would include living in harmony with the world that sustains us and not spending our lives in a cancerous mindset of infinite industrial growth on the back of absurd wastefulness and shortsightedness that sterilizes the world and drives us crazy with work.
also indigenous americans are literally a bulwark against this sort of thing. in the north and the south. to say that they do more damage is very ignorant. it was estimated that indigenous resistance has cut carbon emissions in canada by a third of it's potential. they get slaughtered in south america for resisting deforestation
I like that the Mennonites seem to have preserved a good sense of humor and general optimism.
A week ago, I saw 50 mennonites at Peru’s Jorge Chavez airport coming from Belize and moving permanently to the country. They will be a great asset to the rural communities in the Ucayali region. I told them “WELCOME TO PERU”. And they said “THANK YOU”. PERU has vast extensions of undeveloped land that need to be farmed. Mennonites are the best at turning them into farmlands. It seems that many mennonites are moving to Peru from not only Belize but also from Mexico, Bolivia and Paraguay.
Do you think they will genetically take over one day? Like in Bolivia in 2013, there were 70 thousand mennonites, and in 2023 its 150 thousand
@@eatinsomtin9984 es muy poco probable
undeveloped land doesn't need to be developed. monocrop fields like this might look green but they are ecological wastelands. if every plot of forest and jungle was 'developed' we would sterilize the earth of plant and animal life and ruin the atmosphere. and it's not like humanity needs more food.
@@eatinsomtin9984They do have large families.
theres a good reason why we are not farming that land
The environmentalists are just targeting them while ignoring the more substantial reasons of climate change or biodiversity loss. Should we then prosecute everyone living in cities because most of the agricultural or urban land comes after deforestation?
exactly. The ecological footprint of these mennonites is nil compard to the average american or hipster blogging about the environment on their mac and iphone.
what are environmentalists ignoring? deforestation is a massive problem. especially for these precious places that remain untouched by industrial society.
@@Riotdrone Mainstream environmental discourse tends to ignore quite a lot of the major problems, and there's even a term for it "green washing". A lot of supposed "environmentalists" also support development policies like New Urbanism, which has grown very popular in recent years especially on CZcams, and which advocates for eliminating zoning laws and deregulating the housing and construction industries to allow developers and landlords to build more housing, more quickly, at higher densities. They call this process "upzoning" and it is often justified by highly questionable appeals to environmental or social justice concerns. Needless to say, eliminating zoning laws and building regulations would greatly increase the volume of construction and deforestation, while reducing the precautions taken during such projects. Some scholars and environmentalists have criticized these practices, but they've gained a lot of ground amongst the general public and less scientifically informed individuals who might genuinely be concerned about the environment. There are plenty of similar examples too. E.g. a lot of environmental activists claim that eating meat is a huge problem and one of the main drivers of climate change, but we have tons of data on these matters and it's quite clear that cows and goats are not the problem. In fact, if you look at government reports and scholarly research on the issue they tend to echo that position, but the fossil fuel lobby and other greenhouse-intensive industries that produce a lot of pollution have been really successful in convincing the general public that it's not huge skyscrapers, and factories, and jet engines, and shipping cheap products thousands of miles across the globe that is the problem, but rather the cows. Don't get me wrong - there are significant problems with modern farming but those problems are mainly related to factory farming and the used of pesticides, herbicides, growth hormones, etc. Factory farming absolutely should be eliminated and replaced with more sustainable forms of agriculture, but the idea that cows or meat consumption are one of the main problems is just ludicrous, is not supported by the actual scientific data, and is being used by multinational corporations and billionaires to push the blame for environmental destruction onto individual consumers, and thereby eliminate corporations and the government from blame or scrutiny. There are many other examples too.
I too watched a previous documentary about their move my first thought was how they were going to be allowed to clear the amount of forest to farm without conservationists raising 🚩
Porque son rubios y de ojos azules el gobierno del Perú los apoya y lesda tierras a mitad de precio porque según ellos hay que mejorar la raza
@@JORGE.687 el gobierno no tiene capacidad para controlar la selva, es la zona mas problematica del país, no es porque sea "rubios y de ojos azules"
@@Mayalovestosleep el gobierno peruano es racista investiga qué es lo qué hizo en el pasado para recibir inmigración europea ofreciendo tierras gratis o amitad de precio
@@JORGE.687 eso fue brasil, aqui solo fue un par de gente que se convirtio en lo que hoy es pozuso
@@Mayalovestosleep no es cierto los presidentes peruanos tenía políticas para recibir inmigración europea
Most of the local people love having them there. They are respectful and their values are compatible with the values of the rural people they settle near. They bring hope to the locals, often doing more to improve their communities than their own governments or the elite foreign conservationists who are so offended by them. Because they are “white,” and “Christian,” they are an easy target.
But Mennonites unfortunately are too pacifist and non violent and don’t fight or join armed forces or keep weapons or take part in wars 😢😢 .
That is contrary to the teachings of Christianity .
Christianity is a warrior Religion and encourages bravery .
They also grow and sell food to the residents.
Meh, I'd think they'd be valuable to keep in any country... if electricity suddenly becomes completely disrupted, international farming is interrupted, those "backward" people can teach others how to survive.
Leave these poor people alone.. Living their simple lives. Come on they only go to school until about the age of 13. If more damage is done yeah but chill..
Some lady said below she was from Peru and it was one of the best things that's happened..
It's a cult.
Los menonitas son muy respetados en el Perú. Son un ejemplo de decencia y esfuerzo.
@@MsBrittanyykk Yeah Peruvians in the area love them because they improve the economy and offer cheap and varied food and they are also learning from them. AND they don't make any trouble.
It's nice to see a Chinese Government funded TV station being concerned about people's rights.
I look forward to a program about Tibet and another program about the Uighers.
I saw that, too. The facts, although not in depth or complete are fairly accurate, except the Mennonites did not deforest the land they bought. The trees were already down from prior owners. The Mennonites are just an easy target of a corrupt government with a history of cheating it's citizens out of money and land. Read about the land washing scheme and how they cheated their residents out of 80% of the value of their land. Land that wasn't even owned by the government anymore. Makes me sick.
BRAVO to the Mennonites in Peru
❤❤❤ At least they follow the true god and not the false idol of "climate god" a.k.a. Tammuz or Baal
how do you know who is true god or false god?@@rainhartwenkler8408
These people are considered to cause deforestation but in reality none of the people around them is doing a better job .... literally nowadays cities almost have no spaces between them and no trees
Literally cities are so compacted together that only parks have trees or any greens
Europeans understand how to dominate and possess the Land. Be fruitful and multiply. May Yahweh Yireh blessings be upon them.
Europeans understood how to be resourceful and to build instead of just accepting the status quo. Unfortunately this is changing as Europeans are becoming lazy and self-hating.
No, Europeans hunted them and expelled them and don't let them live according to the bible. Most Europeans are evil because of their pact with Satan and/or demonic posession. Mennonites and Amish and alike are the only beacon of light from Europe (Babylon)
Now that it is pretty awesome great job on this report also
So, the Mennonites were supposed to get a permit for something that happened before they arrived in country? Wonder if this was their first experience with environmental extortion? Or maybe that is why they left their former countries?
No, the government is just corrupt and looking to target them for money.
Since 2011, the Canadian multinational Iamgold has owned the Rosebel gold mine, the largest gold concession in Suriname. With an area of 170 km2, any comments?
Surinam should try hard to get that back in their hands, before the chinese destroy land and population..... The surinam government is doing a real poor job...
They will have trouble because they are prospering
Meanwhile there are still Aramaic speaking Christians in Syria.
I like these people. There might be some issues, like with the deforestation. But for-profit deforestation is no doubt a much bigger harm to this planet. The mennonites just needed some space to live and work the land, they are not going to tear down the whole amazon like modern society tries to do. Seeing the tremendous obstacles they tackled to find a new place to live, it's kind of idiotic eco-warrior nonsense to say that "it doesn't work like that", as if they couldn't just accept that the damage has been done (unintentionally) and to work it out cordially after the fact. Isn't legal action just another sign that for modern society it's all about the money, not about the rainforest ?
Presumably, if left to its own devices, "secondary" rainforest would become "primary" rainforest in a few decades?
Yes, but governments are only elected for a few years at a time, so they don't often design policies that will be beneficial in decades' time. They make their money off of selling secondary forest and then get replaced in the next election. Repeat over and over
I love Mennonites. God bless them and multiply them ❤
Peru needs to step off these hard working people, they are an asset to the community and country
Bro for like 4 years 😢i tryd to see what all had transpired cause i saw the start i love how manly and uncaring for tech
They should be arrested and deported.
cope
Amazon forest
Is not suitable for extensive agriculture
Of course it is. Any forest south of the arctic circle is.
@@raraszek Yeah at a cost to killing our planet which will eventually lead to the death of us.
@@LittleDogfan101 right 😂😂😂
It's only suitable when people with the right skin colour live off of it, right?
Que bonito se ve. Los terrenos todos ordenados,la grama cortada, cultivados ;al estilo Americano y Canadiense. Diferente a l estilo de el campecino Latino Americano
Peru has 600 000 km2 of Amazon, the Mennonites can use 40km2 maybe 400km2 in 50-70 years, its fine.
Typical Government over-reach. These people have done nothing but improve the land. Leave them alone!
They may be thriving but the state of the forest they have left it in is terrible really they need to change some ways to be a bit more sustainable so native animals can survive and the old forests
They will manage.
How can 100 family needs 30km2 of lands for farming?
@@MA9ELLAN Be fruitful and multiply and work the earth...is god's command...unter the sweat of your body. It's not THEM who should have to worry, it is US who are living in constant rebellion against god and his commands.
The Mennonites in South & Central America are more like the Amish in America. The Mennonites in the US drive cars and have phones, etc.. These folks are really more like the Amish. These people came from Bolivia, are the Mennonites that came from Belize in this community as well?
they drive cars too, a year or two ago i saw them when i went to the beach, dressed like they were reasy to farm that beach too
@@Mayalovestosleep
I guess they have different rules for different Mennonite groups. In the US they are fairly modern, especially compared to the Amish.
@@notsosilentmajority1 The communities that came to Peru are the most conservative, but it seems that, as the pop grows they become more liberal and modern. Then the most conservative move again to a new frontier. For some reason there were no Mennonites in Peru until 2014 even though they have a HUGE rainforest.
@@celdur4635
I always find these types of people extremely interesting. I don't fall into the trap of romanticizing their lifestyle though. I realize just how difficult it would be and I don't pretend that I could do it easily. I am not a person that uses or needs a lot of modern conveniences and I don't use social media at all. My biggest thing is liking to learn things on CZcams and learn about different people and places.
I wish these fine folks all the best life after the WEF ravages most of humanity
I know right, when they originally fled Germany and the Netherlands in the 1600's......they were fleeing the "English". Which we now know was the very beginning of the control center of the WEF and others involved with globalization, globohomo, masonic secret societies, etc....
Amen to that. Mennonites and alike are a modern day Ark in a sea of sin and destruction
I watched the video of them leaving to live here a moment ago. There were a lot of trees. But yes it looked clear cut but not that large of a plot. Such a hard way of looking at it. Stop chopping down the trees!!!!
Did you ever try to grow crops under a tree?
They lie as it is convenient for them.
God please be with the Mennonites.
It's too easy to bribe Peruvian officials. This is a shame and a heresy.
Founded 500 yrs ago? All the fault of Luther. How sad they never ask what about the previous 1500 yrs? Everything stops for them back to 500 yrs ago. They seem to be nice people.
I saw the documentary of when they bought that land and it was completely forested. Why didn't leave some patches of trees for shade and and Help retain Moisture in the soil ,stop run off etc. I was excited to see how theybuilt their community, But this only looks sad to me.
AGREE'🍃
Is not how it works, not all trees are economically viable, loggers take the few that are worth and leave 95% of the rest. This is secondary forest already.
These are such beautiful people.😍😍🤩🤩
The Mennonites, a religious group often associated with organized agricultural activity, have started three new colonies in the Peruvian Amazon. We have documented the deforestation of 8,500 acres (3,440 hectares) in these three colonies over the past four years (updated October 2020).25 Aug 2023
GENTE MUY TRABAJADORA 👍🏻👍🏻
they should just farm in America. huge lands with nothing on it
Tech moguls own most of the farmland in the US
Always picking on Mennonites no matter what century or continent.. I'd know I'm partially descended from Chortitza Mennonites who moved to Canada in the 1920's after being run out of Russia by the Commies...
Enviros always attacking production orientated peoples while they have no skills themselves.
No, "enviros" that go to school and study the land as their discipline protect the land that's supposed to protect all of us while you ramblers who don't go to school keep supporting horrible practices that will be downfall of our species.
@@LittleDogfan101" professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." That sums up your comment.
The Mennonite’s ways of thinking needs adjust to 21st century realities. . Clear cutting jungles /forest for short term agricultural needs no longer serves the long term purpose of reducing global warming . You can farm smaller land with greater productivity .
Russia could use them
Mennonites were in Russia after being expelled from Western Europe. But then came communist scum to Russia and they had to flee again...
Did he say India?
Bienvenue au zoo !!
this makes no sense to be alone in the rainforest, with such a small population size
I can imagine how sinfully to you could seem many of your who knows with whom intermixed fellow mennonite people
nevertheless come back to Chihuahua,Durango where your homeland is since 1922 - or let come 10 000 of your kind to your new land. Join another small community in Colombia and with them go to Bolivia where already 100 000 of your own are
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
THE GOOD LIEF .LA VUENA VIDA . ES .VIVIR TRAVAJAR EL CANPO .⭐
your spanish is so......
They need to cut down so much rain forest for their farmland everything else is good with them
This green hell needs to be cleared and plowed and populated with godly people ❤ 💟
They don’t want integrate to Peruvian society and the feel we need, they teach us how to live in pues country.
Pónganlos a bailar los pasitos del Delfín, y ya verás 🤣😝
@Alden Horwitz diversity work in both ways and they don’t want be open and change, you claim for something you don’t want to give.
@Alden Horwitz stop be a white supremacits bigot they migrate to other country , thy have to accept the reality.
What is Peruvian society? Many people groups don't wish to assimilate to their surroudnings. Look at India, Iran, Middle East, North America (ghettos of various cultures). Why so ignorant?
@@ML-ov7wo what about to learn the language of the country or be educate in the government program ? Tell me any community around the world don’t assimilate this two things …. Who the orthodox Jewish or the talibán maybe only fanatic have this behaviour they feel the special better of the others and you remember the behaviour of the pioneers of North America with the Indian tribes in the beginning and how finish after now because you no are “ignorant” can you give a explanation of the topics what I mentioned.
I think it was extremely selfish of the adults to completely remove the children from society. They are now imprisoned, i in a rain forest, within their father's dream.
Hay ciudades allí.
They do not know that true Christians are vegetarian
What verse in the bible backs up your statement?
True christians are vegetarian? Nonsence! Read GENESIS 9: 3-6.
@@5dancingnoses106 let's say at creation and in the wilderness of Sinai but also Paul was a vegetarian.
Religious people😂
As someone previouslty stated, Genesis 9:3-6 you dullard@@johnsavel5995
😭 save Amazon
Dear menonites Move to europe
If u move to europe
1-christian europe will survive
2-Amazon will survive
Stolen land.
it's nice to see them, but how many animals died because of them? also they are cutting alot of trees!!
in less than 100 years how many mennonites they will be? how many (more) land they will need? if each of them has minimum 7 childrens
and? If you dont like it then have children yourself
Why are yall blaming menonites for one stretch of land..you know how much of the Forrest has actually been destroyed by Peruvian natives,poachers and ect?? Yes they cleared land to live on vut you act like they're constantly expanding taking more
@@eatinsomtin9984 when I will have children's, I will teach them how to respect 🌎. How to respect animals. And I will teach ur children's how to behave and accept wild animals
@@tfrd1701 The Mennonites are doing more good than bad for the local people unlike your corrupt government.
@@tylersheppard9601 In my case, I'm not complaining about they established there; but Mennonites must abide the laws from the country who brought them haven. If there appear a Catholic priest settling in your backyard and proclaim that your backyard is now property from Vatican - and not yours -, how would you feel like?
Hello, how can I private message you?
Are u peruvian?