#16. Nesodillo sp. Shiro Utsuri : Definitely Genus Nesodillo but NOT species arcangelii!!

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
  • iZOOpod series #14. Nesodillo sp. Shiro Utsuri: Taxonomy, Species Profile and Care video

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  • @mrstcj6069
    @mrstcj6069 Před 3 lety +2

    I love your channel and I keep sharing. I don't understand why more people aren't subscribed!

  • @ricks2907
    @ricks2907 Před 3 lety +2

    Hey Jay good video my friend. These are one of my favs. All my isopods are growing in number and or size. The duckies are doing well and growing. Thanks again Ricky 💃🕺🏼🎶🐈‍⬛🎸💥

  • @peperando8733
    @peperando8733 Před 2 lety +1

    I hope more people find this video. Really really interesting!

  • @mellewedin8221
    @mellewedin8221 Před rokem

    Thank you!!

  • @TheKiwibirder
    @TheKiwibirder Před 3 lety +2

    Great video! I just ordered 6 of these cuties. Can’t wait to get them.

  • @nicos.9473
    @nicos.9473 Před 2 lety

    Great video. Taxonomy matters! Let the world know!

  • @filipo5976
    @filipo5976 Před 9 měsíci

    Great content I subbed! Can you please elaborate on light sensitivity?

  • @amarok1590
    @amarok1590 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey there, the Reddit post you referenced was made by me!
    Also I am not sure if the ID comes from iNat, I read, that shiro utsuri were selectively bred by a japanese breeder. The original colony is supposed to be N. arcangelii. Where that ID comes from, I don't know. Also worth a mention, on iNat, the user agapakisnikos directly references the paper by Verhoeff for his ID. I am currently trying to get my hands on it, but didn't have much luck until now :)

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you for the information. Dr. Keon said that no ones really knows that Verhoeff described in his paper. Him being an authority on Nesodillo thinks that no one can really pinpoint what is archangelii. It’s distinguishing characteristics as compared to other species.

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety +1

      He thinks start we can’t possibly conclude it’s Nesodillo archangelii accurately

    • @amarok1590
      @amarok1590 Před 3 lety

      @@isobelcottageexoticstv3233 So he has seen the paper? If so, do you have it by chance? I'd be really interested in seeing it.
      So in conclusion arcangelii might even be "invalid" because of a insufficient description?
      But very interesting!

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety

      @@amarok1590 yes he has seen the paper described by Verhoeff in 1926. II personally have not seen the paper myself since I am not an academe anymore and no access to old scientific paper. Based on our correspondence I have a feeling that Verhoeff could have inaccurately described the species in 1926 even Schaffus mentioned in his paper im 2003 that some genus has to be reclassified

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety

      @@amarok1590 yea without Dr. Keon properly mentioning it. Verhoeff classification could be insufficient to properly identify the species correctly. Anyone who have worked on Invertebrate Taxonony knows that’s is a possibility.

  • @amarok1590
    @amarok1590 Před 3 lety +2

    I actually managed to get my handy on the paper today. I spent some time looking at shiros and comparing it with the described characteristics in the paper. So far all characters match, I checked the 7th leg, Telson, uropods, exopods/pleopods, head and antennae. I couldn't check the base of the legs because I couldn't get a good camera angle, but so far I am confident in saying that the arcangelii ID doesn't seem to be far off and is rather plausible.
    I also took a look at the observation on iNat which you mentioned is C. murina and I have to disagree. The surface of the pereonal segments is too smooth for murina and theres a clearly visible elevation in the middle of the frontal shield which is absent in murina. Also the overall shape looks too wide/flat.
    If you want to talk outside of this comment section shoot me a message on reddit, I can also send you the paper (it's in german tho) and some of the pics I took of my shiro utsuri :)

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety

      You know you have to publish your findings lol

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety

      I would be interested in the paper too if I have time can u send it to my email jay@isobelcottage.com

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety

      Using the wild type as your control species

    • @amarok1590
      @amarok1590 Před 3 lety +1

      @@isobelcottageexoticstv3233 sorry for misusing this comment section, but i gotta store this information now somewhere public.
      There are issues with the description, probably some of these are what Dr. Kwon was referencing.
      1. his description is based on ONE SINGLE female individual, I think i don't have to go into detail why this is bad
      2. Missing figures. There are no figures relating N. arcangelii
      3. He wrote N. arcangelii are extremely similar to N. schellenbergi. Instead of giving a full description of arcangelii, he just mentiones some differences
      4. So we can assume apart from these differences, that we can use the description of schellenbergi (which in turn shares similarities with N. medius, differences mentioned again). HOWEVER a big part of the characteristics for N. schellenbergi are the male exopods. This wouldn't be a problem, if his whole arcangelii description wasn't based on a single female.
      In contrast, he had about 60 individuals for the description of schellenbergi. I am not sure what he tries to explain with some things he mentions (vague phrasing and no figures) and also I am not sure if some of the things he mentioned are characteristic for the species or maybe just the genus. I would have to look through other Nesodillo species to confirm this, which is quite time consuming I guess.
      That's about everything I pulled from the paper for now
      Edit: sadly I don't have the wild type at the moment, but I know someone who has a small group of them, so maybe in the future

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 3 lety

      @@amarok1590 no worries please use this video to store this information. I appreciate you working to sort this things out. Dr. Keon really did not say straight up what’s wrong with Verhoeff description but I think you are going to the right path

  • @walterphua1192
    @walterphua1192 Před 2 lety

    How big are they compared to the Rubber Duckies?

  • @elijahbracey6959
    @elijahbracey6959 Před 2 lety

    These are one of my favorite isopods that I have yet to acquire and I’m thinking about picking some up from your eBay store I was wondering if you think they could work as a cleanup crew in my dart frog enclosure because they will require a similar humidity level I know a lot of people recommend something cheaper for a clean up crew but that isn’t really something I personally am concerned with would rather have a cool looking clean up crew

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 2 lety

      They are a bit expensive for a clean up crew. Your dart frog will eat them they are very active. Their population will be decimated they are both nocturnal. I would recommend this as a pet in their own vivarium they won’t disappointed you

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 2 lety

      Have you thought of having a smaller vivarium for isopods only? I have known some customers of mine who purchased isopods as their pet. This Isopods wont disappoint you they just wont hide all day long they will be out and about I guess - with the dart frog same enclosure that would be a bad idea lol

  • @ItsAlcs
    @ItsAlcs Před 2 lety +1

    What do you feed them?

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 2 lety

      Dry leaves, decaying woods and sometimes fish pellets

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 2 lety

      Dry leaves, decaying woods and sometimes fish pellets

    • @ItsAlcs
      @ItsAlcs Před 2 lety

      @@isobelcottageexoticstv3233 do they eat squash and cabbage po?

    • @isobelcottageexoticstv3233
      @isobelcottageexoticstv3233  Před 2 lety +1

      @@ItsAlcs not much I have them cabbage before it’s just molded they like dry leaves and fish pellets (just a pinch)

    • @ItsAlcs
      @ItsAlcs Před 2 lety

      @@isobelcottageexoticstv3233 Thank you! I got mine recently and have no idea what to feed them. Maybe I'll just focus on giving them leaves