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    0:00 Intro
    1:18 The Western Schism
    5:16 The Catholic Monarchs
    6:32 The Spanish Inquisition
    8:35 The Fall of Granada
    12:17 The Alhambra Decree
    14:48 The Ottoman Empire

Komentáře • 253

  • @Artur_M.
    @Artur_M. Před 3 lety +189

    It's crazy to think that the community that lasted for a better part of a millennium, and just got a new reassurance of relatively secure and seemingly bright future, could be gone in a matter of days.
    The triumphant Ottoman music at the end was a nice touch.

    • @itayeldad3317
      @itayeldad3317 Před 3 lety +14

      i just hope nothing like this ever happen to another thriving jewish community abroad that has been declining recently due to antisemitism and a few months ago got sliver of hope things will get better. please

    • @TheTastefulThickness
      @TheTastefulThickness Před rokem

      ​@Itay ELDAD no matter what time it is jews always say "recent antisemitism"

    • @cv990a4
      @cv990a4 Před 7 měsíci

      It's a lesson for us all. Just because something has been going along for many many years, even centuries, doesn't mean it can't be abruptly destroyed.
      It takes years, decades, sometimes even longer, to establish institutions. They can be destroyed in a blink of an eye.
      Most people don't think about it - they take the existence of institutions for granted, sometimes dependent on institutions and systems that they do not even know/understand. Populists and demagogues are skilled in making unthinking populations hate the institutions on which they depend...

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem +1

      My critique answers this:
      Very good video. 1 criticism by omission:
      You didn't mention the blood libels that run in the Spanish villages and parishes. The populace and low clergy believed all that crap.
      The monarchs couldn't stop the populace and protect the Jewish everywhere, that was an impossible task. Many of the main assistants and direct scribes, secretary, etc, were Jewish.
      But Isabel wanted to protect the Jewish from the wrath of ignorant people. If she could not, then the next best thing was expulsing them (also doing business with this, for sure, and calming down those who wanted a country with more homogeneous beliefs).
      This is said and written by Luis Suárez, serious historian and member of the Royal Academy of History in Spain, in his book Isabel I, Reina. A work that is imprescindible to take into this account.
      Thanks.

  • @janmelantu7490
    @janmelantu7490 Před 3 lety +147

    I love how Bayezid said “Fernando, you’re an idiot”

    • @nilveege
      @nilveege Před 2 lety

      Who is idiot... Sephardic Jews destroyed Ottoman on 1908 by II.constitutional coup!

  • @agan1551
    @agan1551 Před 3 lety +100

    Jews were thriving in Bosnia and Sarajevo until the Holocaust happened. In fact, one of our greatest historical trasured - the Sarajevo Hagada is from those Jews that fled from Spain and setled in Bosnia under Ottoman rule.
    Thank you for spreading the historical truth about the relationship between Jews and Muslims, which is especialy important in this age, when those realationships are at the lowest point in history.

    • @davidschalit907
      @davidschalit907 Před 2 lety +5

      What? That Ottamon Islamic rulers decided to use Jews for their benefit as Christian rulers had for the same reason?

    • @TheTastefulThickness
      @TheTastefulThickness Před rokem

      The jews let the muslims in to slaughter everyone dude

    • @GeronimoLogistics
      @GeronimoLogistics Před rokem

      Germany made Joos rich beyond belief, in fact Hitler signed the transfer agreement, an elaborate scheme to tranfer money to Palestine, mainly the rich class. Hitler financed Israel

    • @Verity888
      @Verity888 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Until the holocaust when the Bosnian Muslims helped nazis exterminate the last remains of Jewish life in the balkans 😢

    • @user-uy6ug3nf4t
      @user-uy6ug3nf4t Před 2 měsíci

      If that is true then why did all the Jews in America (Congress) sat quietly while the Serbs were bombing the national Museum in Sarajevo in which allegedly your Haggadah was being kept? How come? Why did they allow that?

  • @jorgeh.r9879
    @jorgeh.r9879 Před 3 lety +161

    Fun fact: Spain and Portugal have actually offered citizenship many times in the last few decades to sephardic jews that want it.

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +150

      It's a very popular way to for Israelis to get an EU passport. Unfortunately, my Sephardic ancestors traveled too far afield (Moldova) to hold onto their Spanish names and qualify.

    • @matthewbrotman2907
      @matthewbrotman2907 Před 3 lety +36

      Setting a standard for proving descent from 500 years ago had to be tricky.
      By contrast, Germany and Austria restoring citizenships revoked by the Nuremberg Decrees was very straightforward. It’s only 2-3 generations back, and documentation should be readily accessible.

    • @furrywarriors
      @furrywarriors Před 3 lety +35

      @@SamAronow for many years I thought my Moldovan and Romanian Jewish ancestors were Sephardi, until I learned they were actually Romaniote Jews from Greece

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +18

      Did they perchance live in Bălți?

    • @jorgeh.r9879
      @jorgeh.r9879 Před 3 lety +17

      @@matthewbrotman2907 Not really. If you had a sephardic name, practised the sephardic branch of the jewish religion, either as an observer or as as an active practisioner, spoke Ladino, and/or practised sephardic culture and traditions, then it shouldn't be too difficult. I mean, the whole point is that ethnic sephardis should be allowed to get citizenship, if someone has only a little bit of sephardic ancestry but doesn't identefy as ethnically sephardy, I don't think they should get to get have Spanish citizenship so easily.

  • @mattzager4879
    @mattzager4879 Před 3 lety +40

    I just went back and rewatched some of your first few videos from this series. I certainly enjoyed those, but these newer videos are just soooo good. Keep up the great work.

  • @rcambida
    @rcambida Před 3 lety +35

    I love the “plot twist” in the end. Another nice video from this channel. Learning a lot about Jewish History and its implication to the world at large. Kudos to you sir and stay safe 😄

  • @ffreeze9924
    @ffreeze9924 Před 2 lety +52

    My great grandmother and grandmother on my mom’s side were Jewish and fluent in Turkish and a strange Spanish-like dialect as it was always told to me. I assumed this was more of my mom’s usual complete lack of knowledge when it comes to geography and just mixing up things. Thanks for unintentionally teaching me a part of my family history that I might not have learned about otherwise.

    • @yvonnesimpson5785
      @yvonnesimpson5785 Před 2 lety +12

      The Sephardic Studies department at the University of Washington celebrates Ladino Day every December. It's so fun and interesting!

  • @nick-jo3hy
    @nick-jo3hy Před 2 lety +8

    I am moved to say a prayer for the sultan Bayezid the second. God bless him !

  • @pedroledoux9779
    @pedroledoux9779 Před 3 lety +18

    The Alhambra Decree had a great impact in the history of Brazil.
    After the expulsion from Span a lot of Jews went to Portugal. The arrived in Portugal in the moment of maritime expansion. It is estimated that during 16 and 17th century nearly 1/3 of all the people Portugal sent to colonize Brazil were Jews. Today it is estimated that in Brazil there are 40 millions of decedents of those Jews who were expulsed from Spain.

    • @joaoribeiro5938
      @joaoribeiro5938 Před 3 lety +3

      And the discrimination they faced are huge.

    • @pedroledoux9779
      @pedroledoux9779 Před 3 lety +3

      @@joaoribeiro5938 After their "convertion" they were knows as Cristãos Novos(new Christians).
      Those conversos were seen for a long time as second class Christians.

    • @joaoribeiro5938
      @joaoribeiro5938 Před 3 lety +2

      @@pedroledoux9779 yes. The discrimination only ended when the Marquis of pombal intervened.

    • @vulpes7079
      @vulpes7079 Před 6 měsíci

      I am descended from one of them. My family kept his family name for generations until its origin faded from memory, but by complete coincidence, I was born with it

    • @paulmaroli605
      @paulmaroli605 Před 5 měsíci

      im certainly interested, im a Sephardic jew from those that didn't go to the ottoman empire, but that instead came to the american continent and founded cities like Monterrey en Mexico, and im interested in learning that.

  • @nathanseper8738
    @nathanseper8738 Před 11 měsíci +12

    I didn't expect this video...
    Just like nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.

  • @HadiM-rb7yo
    @HadiM-rb7yo Před 3 lety +18

    Welcome back Sam ♥
    Hope you're doing well

  • @arenasnefi
    @arenasnefi Před 2 lety +5

    In 1486 my (multiple times) ancestor Moshe ben Levy Ben Gabay married Solvella in Tudela, Navarre by a with a ketubah. A little over a decade later he had to convert into Catholicism, and his grandson migrated to New Spain.
    Three generations later, the granddaughter of that immigrant married a descendant of the Ha-Levi family.
    We have remained in what today is Mexico for over 4 centuries.

  • @Yitzhak480
    @Yitzhak480 Před 3 lety +16

    Great video as always. I'm guessing that in one of the next proper videos (not a recap) Sultan Suleyman will conquer Palestine and the golden age of Safed, Rabbi Yosef Karo and the Ariza''l will begin.

  • @Antipius
    @Antipius Před 3 lety +19

    I am always impressed and amazed at the detail that goes into your maps. Any chance you have a gallery of all of them? They're such eye candy!

  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek Před 3 lety +49

    God damn it Spain I thought we had something

    • @robertobonano6930
      @robertobonano6930 Před 3 lety +16

      As a Puerto Rican 🇨🇺 I'm bewildered to the fact I might be more Jewish than I ever thought about. I can't wait to find out more about my past. Thanks Sam for all your hard work and praying for your safety as Israel is dealing with the Palestinian conflict and the pandemic. Interesting note about myself, my father second name is Bonano which I found is Sicilian. LOL I'm a Siciliano that speaks Espanol. 😏

    • @robertobonano6930
      @robertobonano6930 Před 3 lety +1

      @@micahistory That WILL change when the Messianic Age starts and for the way this world is behaving it seems we are closer to that point than ever. Shalom. 😏😁

  • @AG_KEMPER
    @AG_KEMPER Před 3 lety +39

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition (to be not as anti-Semitic as we were taught)!

  • @camronconners5915
    @camronconners5915 Před 2 lety +5

    This is absolutely a fantastic resource. As an IB teacher covering the fall of Granada and the edict of expulsion this is a great summary of the demographic changes within Iberia and the treatment of the Spanish Jews. Thank you!

  • @therenewedpoet4292
    @therenewedpoet4292 Před 3 lety +17

    From sans Pope to 2 Popes! Then 1 Pope again...

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +13

      And from 1409-1414, there were three. You can see that for just a moment at 4:53.

    • @therenewedpoet4292
      @therenewedpoet4292 Před 3 lety

      @@SamAronow o ya. Those crazy cardinals. And one day 4 Popes? A man can dream.

    • @sdelmonte
      @sdelmonte Před 3 lety +6

      Pope and anti-pope. If they ever met, both would explode.

    • @therenewedpoet4292
      @therenewedpoet4292 Před 3 lety +1

      @@sdelmonte true

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@sdelmonte HAH! love that physics reference :D

  • @willowbeaudet1431
    @willowbeaudet1431 Před 3 lety +11

    Listening to my history like this always fills me with emotion. It’s more than reading it in books, you bring this story to life in a way that never fails to make me sob at the bad times and and smile at the (increasingly rare) good.

  • @ThisNinjaSays_
    @ThisNinjaSays_ Před rokem +3

    European Christians must have viewed Judaism as a direct challenge to their doctrine.
    Jesus was born Jewish...Paul...James...etc.
    They must have wondered why Jews did not believe in Jesus if Christianity had come from them? Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion with a Middle Eastern Jesus who is somehow illustrated as European.
    Islam on the other hand came through Mohammed, Arab, Middle Eastern etc. The message comes directly from their own brethren, it's homegrown. So no hang-ups about Judaism.

  • @markt9805
    @markt9805 Před 2 lety +3

    A great and informative video. As a teenager I studied in Spain, there was a small portion of history lessons that mentioned the Jewish presence on the Iberian peninsula.

  • @general2109
    @general2109 Před 3 lety +2

    Just finished binging your whole series. It’s become a part of my routine the past week and now I’m sad! Im looking forward to more!

  • @GeneaVlogger
    @GeneaVlogger Před 3 lety +4

    Great video, as always! I'm especially excited to see your upcoming videos about the Sephardi communities which grew after the expulsion.

  • @pedroledoux9779
    @pedroledoux9779 Před 3 lety +7

    Abravanel was the most important Jewish Rabi by this time.
    432 years later one of his descendants has come to Brazil running away from Otoman empire in total poverty. One of his sons, Senor Abravanel has become one of the wealthiest man of Brazil.

    • @joaoribeiro5938
      @joaoribeiro5938 Před 3 lety +2

      Yes. Silvio Santos, the owner of the television channel "SBT".

  • @hroman5
    @hroman5 Před rokem +2

    Thanks!

  • @abba4383
    @abba4383 Před 3 lety +9

    I knew Don Isaac was wealthy and powerful. I knew he was my ancestor. I did not know he was also a mensch.
    Thank you Sam!

  • @thedemongodvlogs7671
    @thedemongodvlogs7671 Před 3 lety +7

    7:45 wow that was... unexpected

  • @jonyprepperisrael60
    @jonyprepperisrael60 Před 3 lety +19

    last time I was this early konstantiniyye was still constantinople

  • @bobmcbob9856
    @bobmcbob9856 Před 2 lety +4

    Speaking of Ottoman Jewry, a series on the Sephardim of the Balkans would be cool. I do particularly want to see stuff about the community in Sarajevo, which includes a few of my parents’ friends & other people I know but obviously the larger communities like in Thessaloniki would probably make more sense to focus on.
    The Jewish experience in the major late Ottoman & post Ottoman Balkan conflicts like the many revolts, the 2 Balkan wars, & WWI would be interesting. The Jewish suffering in WWII which includes all areas under Axis occupation and influence, including the homes of these communities, is obviously something I don’t need to suggest because no self respecting series on Jewish history that gets to that era would avoid that topic

  • @YaaqovShenkin
    @YaaqovShenkin Před 3 lety +10

    Its kinda weird we're still in the period of the Achronim. I wonder if we'll get a cool new title soon

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +8

      Probably, retroactive to the 1940s. HaHozrim? HaHadashim?

    • @theklorg305
      @theklorg305 Před 3 lety +3

      @@SamAronow Who decided we're in these ages (or rather what group), I can't find info online.
      And its funny its called the last ones being its become so obvious we'll not be the last ones, if we can survive the Shoah and attacks on Israel.

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +3

      @@theklorg305 Well, the term also means "current" or "latest;" it doesn't perfectly translate.

    • @theklorg305
      @theklorg305 Před 3 lety +2

      @@SamAronow Ok (though we're still doing pretty good living forever by my calculation lol). Why'd you choose to use that one as your translation?

  • @juniorjames7076
    @juniorjames7076 Před 3 lety +1

    Greetings from an American teaching English in Istanbul, Turkey. Subscribed!!

  • @sdelmonte
    @sdelmonte Před 3 lety +19

    Never saw a number put in how many conversos there were. Now I get why there are so many Latinx who still have some seemingly random family tradition to light candles in the closet Friday night. 100,000 begets a lot of descendants.

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +12

      I actually got a little confused with the numbers- 200,000 is the number of conversos in the Spanish Realms *and* Portugal, the latter of which forced almost all the Jewish refugees who fled there to submit to baptism. That they did not have the option to flee while those in Spain did made a huge difference in how the rest of the Jewish community perceived them- and how many of them ultimately returned to Judaism over the following centuries.

    • @furrywarriors
      @furrywarriors Před 3 lety +8

      Many Iberia Jews likely also converted to Christianity in the Late Roman Empire in the rise of Christianity, many more Jews were later converted by the Visigoths, and there was conversion to Christianity throughout the Christian rule of the Iberian Peninsula. Also Conversos were represented heavily in the Spanish colonization of the Americas.
      all together it amounts to a lot of descendants

    • @joaoribeiro5938
      @joaoribeiro5938 Před 3 lety +3

      These lighting of candle tradition is from Catholicism. And please, stop that "Latinx" thing

    • @joaoribeiro5938
      @joaoribeiro5938 Před 3 lety

      @@SamAronow yes. They called "New Christians" . Many in my region have Jewish ancestry. A lot of Jews came with the Dutch when they invaded Brazil.

    • @denizalgazi
      @denizalgazi Před 3 lety

      Our people have a fascinating history! Many Sefardi also arrived in Jamaica at the time of Columbus. The oldest congregation in the Western Hemisphere is there in Kingston. The synagogue openly livestreams their Friday night/Saturday morning shabbat services on YT at "UCI Jamaica" from Sha'are Shalom Synagogue. Though not always the case, often the -ez and -es suffix (meaning Israelite) for Iberian surnames denotes Sefardi descent. Perez being one of the more popular Sefardi surnames. Mexico has a huge population of Sefardi descendants as well. I was very surprised to meet many Mexijews when travelling there. Though the population was initially our Sefardi people since the time of Columbus, many Ashkenazi arrived in the 20th Century. Cleaning the home and lighting candles at sunset on Friday has always been a tradition of our people. And for Catholics who grew up seeing this tradition performed in their home probably don't realise that their families are converso descendants of the Sefardi and that this tradition had been passed down for many generations. It was never a sabbath tradition of their church, as many families lit the shabbat candles in secret.

  • @TRIPLEMMM770
    @TRIPLEMMM770 Před 3 lety +1

    I have been looking for a channel like this for a long time, amazing content 👏

  • @forthrightgambitia1032
    @forthrightgambitia1032 Před rokem +2

    2:55 Antipope Benedict XIII (known as "Papa Luna" in Spain) ended his days holed up in Peñiscola, a castle built on the hill of a small peninsula jutting into the Mediterranean sea up the coast from Valencia. It is these days a popular sea side resort but worth a visit for those interested in this era of history.

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      eh? wait i don't know who benedict the thirteenth is.

  • @user-ye6nn2cz7v
    @user-ye6nn2cz7v Před 3 lety +11

    Hello Sam. Since you have finally reached the point where Sephardic Jews would dominate the Jewish communities outside of Europe, I thought that you might be interested in the evolution of the cursive Hebrew Sephardic handwriting outside of Iberia, the same handwriting that was used to write Judeo-Arabic, Ladino and other Jewish languages.
    If you don't already have sources about it and you're interested in the subject, I found a thorough thesis work by Dr. Yael Baruch about it and I would love to share it with you.
    שבת שלום

  • @OliveOilFan
    @OliveOilFan Před 3 lety +5

    The ceddin deden did give me goosebumps lol

  • @mariabartolomerodriguez7150

    Speaking of the Isabel and Fernando's hypocrisy for establishing the Inquisición & expellimg Jews, meanwhile they had Jewish people on their service, they were some Jewish physicians whose knowledge and services helped the Catholic Monarch's family.
    For example, Fernando's father, Juan II de Aragón was completely blind several years because he was an old man and suffered catarats, but in 1468 a Jewish Catalan surgeon named Cresques Aviatar operated the King, the surgery was very successful and Juan could see again.
    Moreover, the Jewish converso Aragonese physician Lorenzo Badoz was Isabel's ginecologist, who helped Isabel with her pregnancies, her fertility problems and giving birth to her children (Isabel got into 6 pregnancies, in which of 7 children, 5 reached adulthood, the other two were stillborn, and her last kid was Catherine of Aragon, born in 1485)

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem

      You didn't mention the blood libels that run in the Spanish villages and parishes. The populace and low clergy believed all that crap.
      The monarchs couldn't stop the populace and protect the Jewish everywhere, that was an impossible task. Many of the main assistants and direct scribes, secretary, etc, were Jewish.
      But Isabel wanted to protect the Jewish from the wrath of ignorant people. If she could not, then the next best thing was expulsing them (also doing business with this, for sure, and calming down those who wanted a country with more homogeneous beliefs).
      This is said and written by Luis Suárez, serious historian and member of the Royal Academy of History in Spain, in his book Isabel I, Reina. A work that is imprescindible to take into this account.
      Thanks.

  • @andrewstirling2051
    @andrewstirling2051 Před 3 lety +6

    So are we just going to ignore that the illustration of Queen Isabel looks like Lois from Family Guy?

  • @matthewwallack601
    @matthewwallack601 Před 3 lety +2

    7:36 “Let’s face it-you can’t Torquemada anything!”

  • @silveryuno
    @silveryuno Před 3 lety +1

    I will, now and forever, believe there was a band playing "Ceddin Deden" on those ships in the morning of 3rd of August!

  • @andresmiguel8233
    @andresmiguel8233 Před rokem +2

    As a spaniard, I consider this as one of the darkest events in our history. See, in history class the only thing we study about sephardic jews is the expusion of 1492, resumed in less than one paragraph in the textbook. Considering the fact that there once lived here one of the largest and more influential community in the whole western world i think it would be interesting to learn more about the sephardic jew's history, as it's part of the jewish people history, and also part of spain's history.

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem +1

      Necessary mention to the blood libels that run in the Spanish villages and parishes. The populace and low clergy believed all that crap.
      The monarchs couldn't stop the populace and protect the Jewish everywhere, that was an impossible task. Many of the main assistants and direct scribes, secretary, etc, were Jewish.
      But Isabel wanted to protect the Jewish from the wrath of ignorant people. If she could not, then the next best thing was expulsing them (also doing business with this, for sure, and calming down those who wanted a country with more homogeneous beliefs).
      This is said and written by Luis Suárez, serious historian and member of the Royal Academy of History in Spain, in his book Isabel I, Reina. A work that is imprescindible to take into this account.
      Thanks.

  • @marcello7781
    @marcello7781 Před 3 lety +2

    Great video! I don't know if you have already made one before but it would be nice to see the origins of ghettoes and particularly the one in Venice.

  • @the_major
    @the_major Před 3 lety +8

    Forgive my ignorance and I apologize if this question sounds stupid but why was it that more than a third of Jews stuck around Europe when they could have migrated to other areas outside of Christian control where they would have been much more tolerated? Was there something about Europe (besides being home) that justified the risk of living in such a hostile and volatile environment? Was migration difficult back then? Fantastic episode btw!

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +25

      Well, as I've covered in previous videos, and will cover in future ones, persecution was not exclusive to Christian domination. The Almohads had driven the Jews *into* the Christian north by demanding conversion or death; and during the events of this video, many of the same persecutions that had led to the Spanish events were taking place under Mamluk rule in Egypt and Greater Syria. Likewise, there was nothing like these kinds of persecutions going on in Christian Poland.
      Transport, especially for passengers, was relatively rare and expensive compared to today, and nobody knew how these events would shake out any more than we can plan for the outcomes of events today.

    • @chnsm
      @chnsm Před 3 lety +7

      @@SamAronow could you cover more about what was going on in the Muslim world? This part of history is alot less known, like the Jewish king dhu nuwas or pogroms like events in the middle East, or the persian the Muslim equivalent of the inquisition, and the creation of the Anusim of mashhad ( אנוסי משהד )

    • @the_major
      @the_major Před 3 lety +1

      @@SamAronow Thank you for such a concise answer! I appreciate it.

  • @davidcohenboffa1666
    @davidcohenboffa1666 Před 3 lety +5

    Great video!! I hope you also make a video on the inquisition and forced conversion of Jews in Portugal. And also on their arrival to the Americas the Anusim.

    • @pedroledoux9779
      @pedroledoux9779 Před 3 lety +2

      The Alhambra Decree had a huge impact in the history of Brazil. In 16th and 17th century nearly 1/3 of all the people Portugal sent to colonize Brazil were Jews.
      During those centuries each great city of Spanish America had a tribunal from inquisition. Brazil did not had it at the beginning because of the presence of Jewish entrepreneurs was very important at the beginning of colonization.

    • @pedroledoux9779
      @pedroledoux9779 Před 3 lety +1

      It is ironical but today one of the most wealthiest men of Brazil is a descendant of Isacc Abravanel. His name is Senor Abravanel, his family arrived in Brazil in 1924 completely poor and he was abke to get rich.

    • @davidcohenboffa1666
      @davidcohenboffa1666 Před 3 lety

      @@pedroledoux9779 I am not sure if Silvio Santos is a direct descendent of Rabi Don Itzchak Abarbanel zt"l. They are surely from the same family, but I doubt a direct descendence, because Silvio Santos' family is from Turkey, and the Rabbi stayed and died in Venice.

    • @pedroledoux9779
      @pedroledoux9779 Před 3 lety +1

      @@davidcohenboffa1666 Silvio Santos is one of the very few Jews in Brazil recognized by the Jewish community as belonging to King David lineage. In Brazil among the Jews there are only 2 families who belongs to David lineage.
      Silvio also told in TV that he is a descendant of Isaac Abravanel when he talked about his family.

  • @danadavis1754
    @danadavis1754 Před 3 lety +3

    I was watching a video where the creator went through time showing older and older forms of english and answering the question how far back in time could we go and still understand others. I was wondering, how far back in time could we go and communicate - even poorly- with local Jews?

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +1

      Classical Hebrew pronunciation wouldn’t be that hard to understand, but you’re assuming that medieval Jews would have been conversational in Hebrew in the first place. Even most of the minority who were fluent I don’t think would have been conversational. And classical verb structure is quite different as well. That said, classical Hebrew would still be much more similar to modern Hebrew than you’d expect after 2,000 years. Somewhere between Icelandic/Old Norse and Italian/Latin in terms of mutual intelligibility.

  • @leanderbarreto6523
    @leanderbarreto6523 Před 3 lety +4

    I would like you to cover Jews in India we have a garden dedicated to Garcia de orta in Goa,he came here to avoid the Inquisition

    • @theklorg305
      @theklorg305 Před 3 lety +1

      I would to, I know he had a Jews in India episode before too.

    • @mikhailv67tv
      @mikhailv67tv Před 3 lety

      Have a look through his content he has some.

  • @muazzamshaikh2049
    @muazzamshaikh2049 Před 2 lety +2

    14:42 what do you mean reconquista failed? It's the most successful crusade... For almost two centuries Spain was a global power and was seen as the champion of christendom in Europe

  • @jvgama
    @jvgama Před 2 lety +1

    I would really love if someday you get the time to explain what happened in Portugal at the time with more detail. I know some very sad and absurd parts of the story (involving a false miracle that was no more than an optical illusion, and people getting mad for having their fantasies proven false), but it would be great to know anymore details.
    I have only shown my appreciation for the series so far by liking all videos I've seen (from the beginning up until this one), but this is a good opportunity to say I am really loving it. Thank you very much for your work!

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 2 lety +2

      czcams.com/video/PYX1aYwjxAg/video.html

    • @jvgama
      @jvgama Před 2 lety

      @Sam Aronow, I was just watching that same video when I received notification of this answer! Thank you for the answer.
      The next 2 videos (or the 2 before the one you mention) also go into more detail about what happened in Portugal, which I could have guessed. I was my enthusiasm for the series that made write that suggestion without checking it first. Sorry for that.
      And while some details about the pogrom of 1506 in Lisbon are vivid, ironic and telling, I do believe your choice in the way to present events was actually better.
      Together with Historia Civilis, this seems to be my favorite History channel on youtube. Thank you very much for your work.

  • @TheMichaeldt89
    @TheMichaeldt89 Před 2 lety +1

    Some things missed, what about Navarre? Everyone remembers Portugal, but it is theorized almost as many went to Navarre, some say it was an escape route, others say they stayed and converted and were hid by the basques. Also, not all the exiles spoke Ladino, many spoke Judeo-Galician, Judeo-Aragonese and so on.

  • @multanprarie2600
    @multanprarie2600 Před 2 lety +2

    In Arabic, Akhar means last. Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages.

  • @Fatherofheroesandheroines
    @Fatherofheroesandheroines Před 10 měsíci +1

    12:23..they altered the deal..pray they don't alter it any further....oh wait...

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem

      Understanding the social environment and the fact the Jews couldn't be protected by the Queen (as she wanted) is important in this matter.
      Worth mentioning the blood libels that run in the Spanish villages and parishes. The populace and low clergy believed all that crap.
      The monarchs couldn't stop the populace and protect the Jewish everywhere, that was an impossible task. Many of the main assistants and direct scribes, secretary, etc, were Jewish.
      But Isabel wanted to protect the Jewish from the wrath of ignorant people. If she could not, then the next best thing was expulsing them (also doing business with this, for sure, and calming down those who wanted a country with more homogeneous beliefs).
      This is said and written by Luis Suárez, serious historian and member of the Royal Academy of History in Spain, in his book Isabel I, Reina. A work that is imprescindible to take into this account.
      Thanks.

  • @thefisherking78
    @thefisherking78 Před 2 lety +1

    It's sad how easy it is to get people to do horrible shit to each other, under the right circumstances.

  • @fernandogarcia3957
    @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem

    Very good video. 1 criticism by omission:
    You didn't mention the blood libels that run in the Spanish villages and parishes. The populace and low clergy believed all that crap.
    The monarchs couldn't stop the populace and protect the Jewish everywhere, that was an impossible task. Many of the main assistants and direct scribes, secretary, etc, were Jewish.
    But Isabel wanted to protect the Jewish from the wrath of ignorant people. If she could not, then the next best thing was expulsing them (also doing business with this, for sure, and calming down those who wanted a country with more homogeneous beliefs).
    This is said and written by Luis Suárez, serious historian and member of the Royal Academy of History in Spain, in his book Isabel I, Reina. A work that is imprescindible to take into this account.
    Thanks.

  • @multanprarie2600
    @multanprarie2600 Před 2 lety +1

    Muslims saved 200,000 Jews from Spain; eventually, perhaps the majority of the converted Jews also escaped tp Muslim lands. Thus, at least a quarter of world Jewry was saved. The Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula began to save the Jews too. Musa bin Nusayr sent Tariq bin Ziyad to Spain because a Jewish delegation from Spain came to Morocco seeking help from the Muslim arab armies there.

  • @royxeph_arcanex
    @royxeph_arcanex Před 2 lety +3

    13:35 this is an outstandingly ingenious move. By moving it to Tish'a b'Av he basically tattooed that day as not only a deeply negative event, but as a *collectively remembered* deeply negative event from that point to eternity. Tish'a b'Av is quite a big deal for practicing Jews, and the association of the Alhambra decree made sure that the Jews will not forget it. Just so you get the impact, we had the largest empire in Europe brutally slaughtering roughly 99% of its Jewish population just a century earlier during a pandemic and it's not remotely as remembered today as the Alhambra decree among most Jews.
    This man made sure this event would be remembered as a dark day for the rest of time, even today almost exactly 530 years later, and all it took was a bribe of 30,000 ducats.

  • @tekaklk928
    @tekaklk928 Před 3 lety +2

    Make a video please on the Bosnian jews and the Sarajevo Hagadah. It survived the world war and is arguably thr only muslim country outside of Azerbaijan to have good relations historicly with the Jewish people

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      oh just wait a minute. it'll come soon buddy. we've just came out of ww1 and entering interwar. it'll take sam aronow some more vids to get to ww2.

  • @denizalgazi
    @denizalgazi Před 3 lety

    Excellent presentation!

  • @gedgar
    @gedgar Před 3 lety +1

    Wow. I found this video to be actually Epic. not epic as in cool but like... awe inspiring how important these events were and wow what a story

  • @gaslightstudiosrebooted3432

    Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything.

  • @abdelrahmanwael2551
    @abdelrahmanwael2551 Před 3 lety +4

    Why not also mention that the muslims were also expelled?:D

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +7

      That actually happened a bit later. I’ll cover that in the recap video.

    • @abdelrahmanwael2551
      @abdelrahmanwael2551 Před 3 lety +2

      @@SamAronow ah so it technically wasnt the same event

  • @WreckageHunter
    @WreckageHunter Před 2 lety

    Trivia: Issac Abarbanel is an ancestor of Senor Abravanel, founder of Brazil's second most successful TV channel.

  • @eugenecoyne7814
    @eugenecoyne7814 Před 2 lety +1

    Fun Fact Torquemada was also from a Jewish Convert family

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      a study in 2020 disproved this.

  • @benjaminromm8184
    @benjaminromm8184 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video as always! Loving the population charts and numbers.
    I am interested to know if there is any documentation of Jews using Maimonides's position on forced conversion to justify their conversion for personal benefit. Certainly it is not something Maimonides himself would have supported.

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +2

      I was more implying that that was the *inquisitors'* thought process rather than that of the conversos themselves.

  • @sh6361
    @sh6361 Před 3 lety

    I love this!

  • @jasonstewart7834
    @jasonstewart7834 Před 3 lety +1

    I can't wait until you arrive at the Dutch Golden age in the 17th century, that was really started by Sephardic refugees! Great video

  • @tonybambridge3667
    @tonybambridge3667 Před 2 lety

    Excellent thank you

  • @herculanodepe1026
    @herculanodepe1026 Před 2 lety

    Hey thanks for the, as always, super informative and captivating work! Would really be interested in seeing one about the expulsion of the Jews from Portugal and those who fled there in 1496 and the ensuing horrific years, as well as Cryptojudaism in Portugal which is super interesting. I must say it always also makes me angry to learn about those events. Important knowledge, and interesting to see how both Portugal and Spain issued (different) "laws of return" for sephardic jews in the last years.

  • @pedrojuano1906
    @pedrojuano1906 Před 2 lety

    Great video! Something interesting about Torquemada is that he was a descendant of Jewish conversos

  • @talink6867
    @talink6867 Před 3 lety +2

    13:39 Shit, I didn't know that.

  • @chrisr6142
    @chrisr6142 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Ottoman ruler: "you have impoverished your kingdom!"
    Hispanic empire: *laughs in global silver currency and global empire dwarfing ottomans*

    • @MrMaxLions
      @MrMaxLions Před 5 měsíci +3

      Dwarfing Ottoman empire? I don't know what sources you're reading but if you look at a map, your eyes will show you who's empire dwarfs who's. The Ottoman Sultan was the richest man in the world at the time. The Eastern Mediterranean was totally dominated by the Ottomans and was the main reason Columbus HAD to sail west trying to get to the east. So, the Hispanic empire was not laughing, Beyazid was :)

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      Spain: *Kicks out their own Jews, which constituted quite a lot of their upper middle class, and also somewhat part of their own government*
      Ottoman Empire: "HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAH! You *FUCKING* idiot!"

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem

      Not dwarfing, even if it sounds nice. But no.

  • @crazysarge9765
    @crazysarge9765 Před rokem +1

    Reconquista did not fail what lol

  • @CinHK
    @CinHK Před 2 lety

    Fascinating!

  • @multanprarie2600
    @multanprarie2600 Před 2 lety

    Over 500 years, a 100,000 yahood would mean at least 5 million today considering the disproportionate increase in population.

  • @alterklausner3885
    @alterklausner3885 Před 3 lety

    Maimonides didn't speak out against the tradition of death before conversion. The quote you give just says you receive no punishment. the lines right before your quote say this "And whosoever, concerning whom it is said that he shall die and not transgress, did transgress and did not die, blasphemed the Name of God, and if he did this in the presence of ten Israelites, he blasphemed the Name of God in the presence of many, violated the mandatory commandment of the sanctification of God, and transgressed the prohibitive commandment of blasphemy."

  • @trzy
    @trzy Před 6 měsíci

    I stayed at an AirBnB in Alhambra and found it pretty convenient. Highly recommended if traveling to LA last minute. Great vid!

  • @dablobookeepingservices1033

    Thanks the information is so much to.me

  • @patrickrankin3150
    @patrickrankin3150 Před 2 lety

    I'm curious where you get your demographic stats on jewish population throughout history? Was it compiled by rabbinic scholars or are the stats estimated?

  • @jorgeh.r9879
    @jorgeh.r9879 Před 3 lety +2

    Bayezid and the Catholic Monarchs are all on my list of best rulers ever and of people I admire.
    Excellent video, I wish the Ladino language could be revived and that more Sephardic jews returned to Spain.

    • @leanderbarreto6523
      @leanderbarreto6523 Před 3 lety

      Languages die all the time it's wiser to save those at risk of extinction than to revive what was lost

    • @jorgeh.r9879
      @jorgeh.r9879 Před 3 lety

      @@leanderbarreto6523 I agree and disagree at the same time. First of all, Ladino is still spoken so it fits your argument. Second of all, I agree it's more useful to save endangered languages than to save others that went extinct thousands of years ago and whose ethnic group it belonged to doesn't exist anymore. However, an extinct language whose ethnic group still exists, and especially if it has gone extinct recently, is very much worth being revived.

  • @awepen1596
    @awepen1596 Před 3 lety +1

    Why the thumbnail look like taht girl from family guy ?
    Louis ?

  • @kingkonut
    @kingkonut Před 2 lety +3

    bayezid the based

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      *ceddin deden intensifies*

  • @yosef5276
    @yosef5276 Před 2 lety

    My family the Escalante’s where one of the first in the new world to be killed by the inquisition so it is a big deal

  • @ryanmoon4125
    @ryanmoon4125 Před rokem

    Beltraneja did not have a more valid claim to the Castillian throne

  • @leiderdawg
    @leiderdawg Před 3 lety +1

    Oh no! My birthday is August 3

  • @blugaledoh2669
    @blugaledoh2669 Před 3 lety +1

    5:53 wasn't she illegitimate?

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +1

      Probably, but it wasn’t certain; they didn’t even have blood tests back then.

  • @SandyRiverBlue
    @SandyRiverBlue Před 2 lety +2

    A great description of the Spanish Inquisition, in Spain. Their colonies did not fare so well. Also the public processions to execution, as theatre for close to 200 years, is enough to cement the reputation.

  • @calicoixal
    @calicoixal Před 3 lety

    At 4:53, there are three colors on the map, while earlier there were only two. Who's the third color, and why?

    • @matthewwallack601
      @matthewwallack601 Před 3 lety +2

      There were briefly 3 claimants to the Papacy

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      which is, basically a whole massive can of worms. idk, three popes fighting each other diplomatically by denouncing each other like anti-popes, it's a whole nother story.

  • @cuidatrava1
    @cuidatrava1 Před 2 lety +2

    I really enjoy your videos, and this was no exception! However, I would take the whole story of the Bayezid sending the Ottoman fleet to rescue the Jews of Iberia with a large grain of salt. Joseph Hacker, for one, points out that there is actually no documentary evidence to support claims about the explicit policies and attitudes of Bayezid and his successors regarding the Iberian Jews. Also, Minna Rozen, citing Rozanes' earlier work, points out that there may have been only 7,000 to 8,000 Jews who arrived in the Ottoman Empire between 1492 and 1497, and even among those, many didn't come directly from Iberia. As Rozen writes, "Hardly anyone reached the shores of the Golden Horn with his nuclear family intact". The total number of Iberian Jews who eventually made it to the Ottoman Empire was much greater, but it seems best to characterize Iberian Jewish migration to Ottoman lands as a process drawn out over several decades. Events in Portugal (1497 expulsion, 1506 massacre, 1536 establishment of inquisition) as well as in southern Italy and North Africa were likely as impactful or even more impactful on pushing the scattered Sephardim towards the Eastern Mediterranean than 1492 itself. Then there's the question of whether Bayezid even said what he supposedly said about Ferdinand and his lack of wisdom (see, for instance, Marc David Baer's deconstructions of these romanticized versions of Ottoman Jewish history). Also, just a detail, but although Izmir/Smyrna was a hugely important Jewish community, that didn't happen until the early 17th century (it was not among the initial centers of Ottoman Sephardic life in the years following 1492).

  • @formulaone07
    @formulaone07 Před 3 lety

    Europe-based Jews needed another Bayezid before WWII. That era was an opportunity for Spain to make amends for the expulsion of 1492 but they had Franco the fascist in charge.

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow  Před 3 lety +8

      There were Jewish citizenship laws passed in Republican Spain; I don’t know if they survived under Franco; but they would not have applied to most of Europe’s Jews at the time, and those to whom it did were either too far away like in Greece or largely out of harm’s way in Vichy-controlled North Africa.
      Meanwhile, the British closed Palestine off to Jewish immigration just in time for the war, Canada’s government did the same, and the US blocked refugees (and my family, who were already all in the US, never forgot it).

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem +1

      Franco wasn't friendly to Jewish influence, but his regime helped many thousands of Jews and they weren't delivered to nazis. Also Franco for the most part was not fascist, he took advantage of the mild fascist party Falange and used it for its own purposes diluting that ideology. Revise JJ Linz works on the differences between authoritarianism and totalitarianism...

  • @h.l.asolomonov7674
    @h.l.asolomonov7674 Před 2 lety

    The benefit of being hard working and good at math yup

  • @avishaybm6222
    @avishaybm6222 Před 2 lety

    What the name of the Turkish song in the end?

    • @avishaybm6222
      @avishaybm6222 Před 2 lety

      @İshak Pastırmacıyannisoğlu great thanks very much

  • @silence6605
    @silence6605 Před 2 lety +1

    Where do you get your maps from?

  • @axi271
    @axi271 Před 29 dny

    Granada was a Jewish kingdom and Moor

    • @yasminmacia5045
      @yasminmacia5045 Před 19 dny

      Granada it’s spanish🇪🇸 and people there eat pork ❤

  • @SpineBuster
    @SpineBuster Před 2 lety +2

    This is rife with historical inaccuracies. Off the top of my head, here are two: the king and queen were Ferdinand and Isabella, not Fernando and Isabel. Second, while non Christians were technically supposed to be immune to the inquisition, Jews were typically accused of having converted and turned back to Judaism, even if they’d never converted. That’s how they got around that rule and included the Jews anyway. Documents released by the church in 1998 confirm this fact.
    ETA: Ferdinand, Isabella and Torquemada were all Jews by maternal lineage, no more than three generations removed from a practicing Jew.

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci +2

      uh...?
      buddy you do realize fernando and isabel is the spanish way to say it, right?
      also a 2020 study disproved that torquemada came from jewish lineage.

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem +2

      Their name was Fernando and Isabel. In Spanish. Also only Fernando had Jewish ancestry by the familly of the Admiral of Castile, concretely Juana Enriquez. Reread your info about it.

  • @owenb8636
    @owenb8636 Před 2 lety

    Must have been tiring to pack up and move to a new country every 100 years or so as some new king decided Jews were unacceptable and had to go, one way or another

  • @leanderbarreto6523
    @leanderbarreto6523 Před 3 lety

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcia_de_Orta

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 Před rokem

    I never expected you to say the Spanish Inquisition wasn't that bad.

  • @vcab6875
    @vcab6875 Před 3 lety +4

    Spain became super wealthy Global Superpower after 1492. Spain help defeat the Ottomans in Vienna 1529 and vaporized them at Lepanto 1571. In 1534, Ottomans bled 6 to 1 against the Spanish Tercios casualties at Castelnovo.
    Ottomans were a Second Tier tiny Empire compared to Spain.

    • @HalalHistory
      @HalalHistory Před 2 lety +1

      Even with the whole of Europe against the Ottomans, they could not kick them out

    • @vcab6875
      @vcab6875 Před 2 lety +1

      @@HalalHistory
      The French were the Ottoman's #1 amigo in Europe. But for Spanish blood and gold sacrifice, Italy today would be a Muslim Bosnia / Albania.

    • @naps_878
      @naps_878 Před 2 měsíci

      @@vcab6875 eh, no no no. france was against the ottoman empire during the napoleonic war.

    • @fernandogarcia3957
      @fernandogarcia3957 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@naps_878not in the 16th and 17 century. They were allies.

  • @trevor1667
    @trevor1667 Před 2 lety

    A real downer…

  • @mikeoxsmal8022
    @mikeoxsmal8022 Před 3 lety +3

    First

  • @bobmcbob9856
    @bobmcbob9856 Před 2 lety +1

    I know this is a series on Jewish history, so presenting the Jewish perspective on the ottomans makes sense but I have to bring up that, for all the modern praise of relative religious freedom and it’s excellent treatment of Jews, for the majority of people in the Balkans, who were Christian, Ottoman rule represented the complete loss of their freedom.
    Again, people like to emphasize that Christians were allowed to continue to live there, but the cost was enormous. Your firstborn son to be taken from you by the army and raised to be an elite and very notably Muslim soldier, detached from his native culture, especially in a time when religion was so personally important to people. Just because it was only applied to a portion of non muslims, doesn’t negate the fact that the devshirme system was one of forced conversion.
    Also the idea of a dhimmi contract is kind of bullshit in this case. The Christians & Jews are not agreeing to pay taxes to a Muslim ruling class for the right to live on their land, a foreign state is coming to their land, taking it, and forcing them into this “contract”. It’s not just additional tax, it’s being a second class citizen, being a lesser person in your own homeland. Something Christian powers did all the time of course, most states in the past were horrible and Christian ones are well known for their intolerance towards minorities, it’s just something that is often ignored in the context of Muslim powers in modern historiography.
    Don’t get me wrong, the Ottomans weren’t the devil, they certainly are a military power worthy of respect and made great contributions to science and art, they were certainly lovely towards Jews in comparison to the rest of the world. They just sometimes get depicted as too wholesome and angelic in a well intentioned attempt to show people in the west the many good sides of the Islamic world throughout history. I get that there is a need to show certain people that muslims aren’t monsters, and as I already said, in the Jewish perspective that this series focuses on, the Ottomans were saviours, I just bring this up here to an audience which seems to me smart enough to not misunderstand my point as a black and white “Turk bad” or “Muslim bad” statement because I’ve seen the romanticization of historic Muslim powers in other places.
    The other funny thing to me is that the focus on the good aspects of the Muslim world seems to end in the 1800s, which really just creates a narrative where Muslim countries and their people used to be pure good but then became pure evil, both of which are obviously idiotic ideas

    • @Duiker36
      @Duiker36 Před 2 lety +3

      The difficult thing is that, if you present all sides to something, you're effectively trying to summarize the entire history of the known world. And moreover, the narrative threads become fundamentally broken, because narrative relies on sharing a specific perspective or it risks incoherence. It is not impossible to do, but it is very difficult. A huge part of teaching history is about ignoring massive amounts of information in favor of a specific throughline explaining the experience of a specific group. In the American mainstream, that tends to be Greece, Rome, England, and America... because that is the lineage that America claims. A lot of what videos like Sam's do is provide different lenses that aren't otherwise easily available to that mainstream. It relies a lot on personal expertise and non-exhaustive research. The advantage is that it provides alternative narratives at all, which for the discerning student, can be a thread woven into their overall knowledge.
      And Sam has made his biases pretty clear, I think, which helps the individual viewer figure out how they'd prefer to weave that thread into their own understanding and also set it against any other sources they might have. Never rely on only one perspective to understand a thing.

    • @victorien3704
      @victorien3704 Před rokem

      The jizya is not a special tax only imposed on the non Muslims. You and a lot of people completely forget the zakat, a sort of tax imposed on all Muslims till today that even sometimes is more than the jizya.
      And in islamic law, as said by the quran and hadith, High taxes on anyone is forbidden.

    • @houseofsofia6650
      @houseofsofia6650 Před rokem +1

      @@victorien3704
      Zakat and jizya are very different: the first is charity, the second is protection money.
      Some Islamic rules would even try to prevent mass conversion so not to lose jizya revenue.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Před 8 měsíci

      @@victorien3704I would certainly call the Devshirme a “high tax”.

    • @MrMaxLions
      @MrMaxLions Před 5 měsíci

      I see your point but you miss a key detail. Fact is Muslim Spain looked after their religion minorities as did the Ottomans. Yes, devsirme was a tax of Christian first born's but Jews were not allowed in devsirme. Some Christian families enlisted all their boys into the army as it could lead to promotions all the way to Grand Vezir.
      I take your point about romanticizing history but as yourself would you rather be a religious minority in Catholic Spain, or Ottoman eastern Mediterranean? The fact that the expulsions and mass executions began after the reconquista should tell you something about where the people at the time would rather be.
      Most would rather pay a tax or enlist their first born in the army than have their whole bloodline executed.
      Feel free to argue otherwise