For you to give all (most) of your trade tips and knowledge is outstanding. High praise from a service manager who has been in the field a long time (marine repair)👊👊👊
Excellent Coverage NaptownTuner! It's nice to see you're back into detail on explaining this 2.0tfsi engine from Audi and its share of problems from 2009-2016. Duane, Michigan
Thanks for doing all of these videos! I just got done pulling the motor and replacing the pistons/rings on my 2014 allroad. It was up to 1 quart every 150 miles / 8 days. I did the head at the same time also. Imagine my surprise when I found the Gen 1 rings in my 2014! So far only have 20-25 miles on it after getting it back together, so haven't put many miles on it yet.
Totally agree on those oil pumps looks like they are all cast from the same mold.. very clever how the aftermarket guys are grinding off the VAG part number and logos.. but I’m not sure about the oil pump gear seals and the reliability of the pumps.. that’s the critical function of the pump. I don’t care about the casting of the housing but I think there is no difference there.. so I just pulled my upper timing cover and see the older style cam chain although I have the updated full spiral tensioner.. hmmm not sure why that is?? Anyway my cam is now at -7° adaptation and I’m not driving my B8 until I get the rest of my parts. Doing the full timing job.. FCP full kit, and doing the rear coolant flange and water pump.. waiting for a little bit of a warmer day haha.. great lesson video here.. I agree on what is most critical for replacing.. and when to preemptively replace things that are on borrowed time
Yes they grind the logo and part number off of the part that they are using for the mold so that they don't have to go and grind it off of each new part that they cast lol
good suff right there. it's a good engine, but oil leaks and chain issues can get pricey. I work on these too, but prefer the belt driven 2.0t. mine's well maintained and dry with 258,000.
Hey Bro, so I'm in a pickle. I've broken down my long block, heads been reworked (bent valves and replaced the valve seals). Seen most of your videos if you have a min for reply would be more then appreciated, my question now that my engine is out should I replace the rings on my pistons now that I know the problem was with the cylinder head? Thanks and awesome work with all of 2.0 info GREAT AND USEFULL 👍
Those parts with the ground down logos are basically original parts to be sold outside dealer networks. They are identical to the originals, just cheaper and, of course, without the carmaker branding.
My 2010 did over 2 liters per 1000km, got the piston fix and since then it doest need any oil between oil changes. It was a warranty job so they said they werent allowed to do anything else than just the oil fix stuff which is silly since just a few miles after I had to do carbon clean and get it to the shop again... And it was a stressful time before they fixed it, one time they said it wasnt warranty and it would cost $10k...
When you see oil on the top of the block where is the leak coming from usually? Happened to me on 2 engines now and no mechanic has figured it out. Upper timing chain cover gasket?
I'm getting the p164d 00 on my 2010 q5 any idea on that one. Red oil light is intimitend and will go away if you rev over 2000rpm. Changed switches already, my next part I want to tackle is oil pump, but don't want to keep buying unnecessary parts.
Question, have audi used same piston design for diesel engines as well, which caused excessive oil consumtion? I have 2.0 TDI, motor type CJCA, 2012 year model. This engine currently likes oil, 800km/1liter
I’ve got a 2013 a5 2.0t has 210k with low oil pressure Issues. Have changed oil pressure sensor. Still got Low oil pressure light coming up when stopping at red lights and idling at operating temperature. I went to multiple mechanics and no one seems to know the reason. All of this happened after a oil change.I’ve add a little Lucas oil stabilizer but not much changes I’m use 5w40 liqui moly now. Any idea what’s going on? I’ve been driving it daily. It’s about 3000km after the first low oil pressure light.
Have any idea why my low oil level light comes on at rpm? it was running fine before changing the timing chain very light rattle if i did a high rev. Now im getting rattle at low idle. And start up. Sounds like lack of oil lubrication.
I used a complete timing chain kit from borsehung on an 1.8 tfsi b8 euro avant, its close to 60k and still goes strong, so far i read that they are an oe subcontractor for vag group
Yup, I realized that when I bought a Borsehung oil pump and it had the vw/audi logo grinded out. 😅 Even the chain kit, original had JWTS on it and I found it to be Borsehung.
From my experience with parts Audi will outsource the parts to be built on all high value items. They rely on their own Service and repair data to see how well they perform and often act to improve it over time and also build it cheaper which is why they switch makers. When they superceed a part, the builder must grind off the current stock tags which they hold in stock and sell it as pattern. The problem is these pattern parts may be inferior in design as Audi has made a change to improve something or just save money. It may also be rejected stock as Audi tested it and found something wrong but this doesn't happen that much now as they rely on warranty requests to pickup issues.
could you make a video laying out all the possible reasons a CAEB would have low oil pressure? Mine is at 5psi once warm at idle with 5w40 oil, and noisy. i just want somewhere to start, and you expertise about how likely each possible cause could be... your videos are much appreciated!!
@@gedaniel2210 I'm going to try the pcv (even though it looks fairly new) and the oil control valve in the upper timing cover first. Those are sub $150 in parts aftermarket nd worth a try first before everything else which calls for part way disassembly of the motor
I have a 2010 a4 premium cvt and I have oil like blowing out the top timing cover and just today it started smoking... I mean like a train but only at low idle and heavy load on engine😫please help
Can't confirm, but I've heard that batches that don't meet Audi spec, bearing runout etc will get grinded the logo's off and then sold as OES. All I know from my experience is OEM and OES are NOT always the same part - dont listen to those that say its the same part, because its not always. Is it most of the time? probably...but on a critical part that is difficult to replace, thats a decision you have to make.
Is this a common problem? I’m really looking to getting my hands on a 2011 Audi A5 with the 2.0T and 93k miles… at 1st the only thing worrying my was the timing kit and now you bring oil consumption problems with pistons rings & new oil pumps 😅
Hey Naptown, My father has a b8 2011 just below 100.000 kilometres it surely seems to need piston rings. Oil consumption is ridiculous. I'm considering selling it cause of the cost to fix. (If I had the tools I would consider doing it on my own.) If he doesn't agree and wants to keep it could I send you an email for some quality parts name.?
I really enjoy your content... just a quick question, what are your thoughts on using thick oil on high mileage cars? My car has 340k kms and I am using 5w40 buy someone said I should consider 15w40. Your thoughts? Thanks
Every single time I remove the screen in the camshaft bride. Nothing bad happens when it’s gone but when it comes apart oil restriction in the camshaft can and might happen
From someone who works in OEM manufacturing i would guess those were all mad at the same factory on the same line. When OEM parts are made if they fail the OEM tests they are put to the side and tested under "warehouse" standards. The windows are opened up a bit and then if they pass they go to "aftermarkert" suppliers like Oreillys or autozone under a different name. Same part same process, just looser standards.
Just curious but how do you know when your timing chain is starting to stretch? Been having slight problems with my 2.0 TFSI when I accelerate out of corners it hesitates to catch the right gear and bucks when it finally does.
If it hasn’t had it and it’s over 100k it probably needs it despite the year. 2009-2016 I and others show how you can also check it with obd11 or pop the inspection plug off and see how far the tensioner is pushed out.
@@NaptownTuner Thanks! Yea its a 2014 with just over 100k, i was going to send it to the local Audi dealer that i have work on my car and have the upper cam tray resealed since its leaking on cylinder 3 and was gunna see if they could check the timing and everything to see if it needed re-done or not with those issues ive been having.
@@shivermetootoo he won't be able to see it with a scanner like that unless it's like a snap-on or high-end scanner. And I forget what the measuring block is named that you need to look at
Naptown? Didn't Audi test these engines before going on the market? They pay employees to drive them 500,000 miles or more I thought to see what fails, etc. I'm really confused as why they ignore this problem for so many years? They had a lawsuit back in the early 2000's on that 30valve v-6 that had major issues and here History is repeating itself . I'm paying a shop $7500 for a 60K mile CPMA engine and I'm still screwed because the timing chains probably need replace soon. He works on Audi's but never does the balance chain when he does a timing chain job. He doesn't fully understand this engine.. I'm waiting for him to tell me the engine swap is done. I can't even sleep knowing my 2013 A4 Premium plus is up to $17000.00.(Under water) and still the original chains at 60k. I'm just sick about this mess. I don't want him to touch nothing, just the swap and he will double check the water pump.
I guess more people need to have me do it. I’m gonna start putting everything together and testing it in my own vehicle before doing mobile out of state repairs
@@NaptownTuner Yes, I think you would corner the market with your skills Naptown! I think you have realized lately you're in more demand with the B8 B8.5 series. I could've uhaul my car to you if I was to know this other Import shop wasn't as knowledgeable as he said to me on the phone. There were 2 other reputable Audi shops around Detroit. But with this stupid Covid, things are backed up for months. I don't even know what went wrong with my engine at 101k. It sounded like a rod knock at 1400rpms after warmed up. That's why I ask you about the Balance shafts and symptoms over a week ago. I just turned 50 and I have did engine swaps on the Audi 90 B4 AFC engine 6 cyl because of oil leaks and oil consumption. You showed that engine on your video at the salvage. yard. Anyways, keep up the good work. You have a nice group of followers lately. Also, I do get my original engine back. So, me and Father will tear it down and see what the caused is. I'm just upset. Paid $10,500.00 for the car last February 94,000 miles and never made it pass the first oil change from a Audi Dealer. $1200 on new Conti pro tires and now $7500. :(
Forgot to mention high pressure fuel pump
With lifter?
For you to give all (most) of your trade tips and knowledge is outstanding. High praise from a service manager who has been in the field a long time (marine repair)👊👊👊
we love your videos on the 2.0t . your knowledge and tear downs are amazing keep it up 👍🏼
Excellent Coverage NaptownTuner! It's nice to see you're back into detail on explaining this 2.0tfsi engine from Audi and its share of problems from 2009-2016. Duane, Michigan
Been watching your vids for past few weeks now, bit of a legend aint ya, subscribed, i have 1.8 polo gti 2016. You have helped a few times, bravo bud.
Love the channel i own a 2015 q5 an all this stuff helps … keep the videos rolling! 👍
I own a 2015 as well and I’m getting ready to have my mechanic do the upgrades for me.
Thanks for doing all of these videos! I just got done pulling the motor and replacing the pistons/rings on my 2014 allroad. It was up to 1 quart every 150 miles / 8 days. I did the head at the same time also. Imagine my surprise when I found the Gen 1 rings in my 2014! So far only have 20-25 miles on it after getting it back together, so haven't put many miles on it yet.
I’m having the same oil consumption issue, how have your new pistons held up over time?
@@NickV2k9 I’m 10,000 miles into the rebuild and I haven’t burned or used a drop of oil since. It has been 100% perfect.
@@tracymckinley5919 what rebuild kit did you use?
@@koronkatv3339 no kit. I bought the individual parts I needed. Only thing I bought as a kit was the gasket set.
We love the content Naptown 👏 let's get you to 100k subs. Wish I could subscribe everytime I watch a video.
Totally agree on those oil pumps looks like they are all cast from the same mold.. very clever how the aftermarket guys are grinding off the VAG part number and logos.. but I’m not sure about the oil pump gear seals and the reliability of the pumps.. that’s the critical function of the pump. I don’t care about the casting of the housing but I think there is no difference there.. so I just pulled my upper timing cover and see the older style cam chain although I have the updated full spiral tensioner.. hmmm not sure why that is?? Anyway my cam is now at -7° adaptation and I’m not driving my B8 until I get the rest of my parts. Doing the full timing job.. FCP full kit, and doing the rear coolant flange and water pump.. waiting for a little bit of a warmer day haha.. great lesson video here.. I agree on what is most critical for replacing.. and when to preemptively replace things that are on borrowed time
Yes they grind the logo and part number off of the part that they are using for the mold so that they don't have to go and grind it off of each new part that they cast lol
Very well Explanation
good suff right there. it's a good engine, but oil leaks and chain issues can get pricey. I work on these too, but prefer the belt driven 2.0t. mine's well maintained and dry with 258,000.
Thanks so much.
Hey Bro, so I'm in a pickle. I've broken down my long block, heads been reworked (bent valves and replaced the valve seals). Seen most of your videos if you have a min for reply would be more then appreciated, my question now that my engine is out should I replace the rings on my pistons now that I know the problem was with the cylinder head? Thanks and awesome work with all of 2.0 info GREAT AND USEFULL 👍
learning slot from you thmks man shde tree here i come
Those parts with the ground down logos are basically original parts to be sold outside dealer networks. They are identical to the originals, just cheaper and, of course, without the carmaker branding.
My 2010 did over 2 liters per 1000km, got the piston fix and since then it doest need any oil between oil changes. It was a warranty job so they said they werent allowed to do anything else than just the oil fix stuff which is silly since just a few miles after I had to do carbon clean and get it to the shop again... And it was a stressful time before they fixed it, one time they said it wasnt warranty and it would cost $10k...
When you see oil on the top of the block where is the leak coming from usually? Happened to me on 2 engines now and no mechanic has figured it out. Upper timing chain cover gasket?
I'm getting the p164d 00 on my 2010 q5 any idea on that one. Red oil light is intimitend and will go away if you rev over 2000rpm. Changed switches already, my next part I want to tackle is oil pump, but don't want to keep buying unnecessary parts.
What is the Part # on the newest Timing chain tensioner? They have made so many updates, which one do you use now?
Question, have audi used same piston design for diesel engines as well, which caused excessive oil consumtion? I have 2.0 TDI, motor type CJCA, 2012 year model.
This engine currently likes oil, 800km/1liter
I’ve got a 2013 a5 2.0t has 210k with low oil pressure Issues. Have changed oil pressure sensor. Still got Low oil pressure light coming up when stopping at red lights and idling at operating temperature. I went to multiple mechanics and no one seems to know the reason. All of this happened after a oil change.I’ve add a little Lucas oil stabilizer but not much changes I’m use 5w40 liqui moly now. Any idea what’s going on? I’ve been driving it daily. It’s about 3000km after the first low oil pressure light.
How many crankwalk issues have you encounter. And have to rebuild?
Does the 2009 CCTA engine in the A3 not have these same issuesMy understanding was that its essentially the same engine...
So for the fuel savings will eventually be overtaken by maintenance cost.
Have any idea why my low oil level light comes on at rpm? it was running fine before changing the timing chain very light rattle if i did a high rev. Now im getting rattle at low idle. And start up. Sounds like lack of oil lubrication.
I used a complete timing chain kit from borsehung on an 1.8 tfsi b8 euro avant, its close to 60k and still goes strong, so far i read that they are an oe subcontractor for vag group
Yup, I realized that when I bought a Borsehung oil pump and it had the vw/audi logo grinded out. 😅 Even the chain kit, original had JWTS on it and I found it to be Borsehung.
@@cebondlela how is that oil pump doing,any problems
From my experience with parts Audi will outsource the parts to be built on all high value items. They rely on their own Service and repair data to see how well they perform and often act to improve it over time and also build it cheaper which is why they switch makers. When they superceed a part, the builder must grind off the current stock tags which they hold in stock and sell it as pattern.
The problem is these pattern parts may be inferior in design as Audi has made a change to improve something or just save money.
It may also be rejected stock as Audi tested it and found something wrong but this doesn't happen that much now as they rely on warranty requests to pickup issues.
I used je pistons on my old B8 2.0t original pistons drank 1.5 qrtz a week. Je pistons didn't burn a drop
Do you have a shop to rebuild engine? Car still running oil consumption is high.
could you make a video laying out all the possible reasons a CAEB would have low oil pressure? Mine is at 5psi once warm at idle with 5w40 oil, and noisy. i just want somewhere to start, and you expertise about how likely each possible cause could be... your videos are much appreciated!!
Same problem here
@@gedaniel2210 I'm going to try the pcv (even though it looks fairly new) and the oil control valve in the upper timing cover first. Those are sub $150 in parts aftermarket nd worth a try first before everything else which calls for part way disassembly of the motor
Do you rebuild engines for people? My 2009 2.0t is using 1quart/150mi. Car drives great and l would hate to junk it.
How much to have you do a rebuild on a 2011 CAEB?
Do you rebuild the Audi V6 3.0 T
I have a 2010 a4 premium cvt and I have oil like blowing out the top timing cover and just today it started smoking... I mean like a train but only at low idle and heavy load on engine😫please help
Can't confirm, but I've heard that batches that don't meet Audi spec, bearing runout etc will get grinded the logo's off and then sold as OES. All I know from my experience is OEM and OES are NOT always the same part - dont listen to those that say its the same part, because its not always. Is it most of the time? probably...but on a critical part that is difficult to replace, thats a decision you have to make.
Is this a common problem? I’m really looking to getting my hands on a 2011 Audi A5 with the 2.0T and 93k miles… at 1st the only thing worrying my was the timing kit and now you bring oil consumption problems with pistons rings & new oil pumps 😅
Block bore to +0.5mm and rebuild of the head 550€ here in Finland. No need to get new head here 👍
Any chance you could give me the parts list? I'm about to be replacing 90% of what you mentioned in the first part of the video
Hey Naptown,
My father has a b8 2011 just below 100.000 kilometres it surely seems to need piston rings. Oil consumption is ridiculous. I'm considering selling it cause of the cost to fix. (If I had the tools I would consider doing it on my own.)
If he doesn't agree and wants to keep it could I send you an email for some quality parts name.?
I really enjoy your content... just a quick question, what are your thoughts on using thick oil on high mileage cars? My car has 340k kms and I am using 5w40 buy someone said I should consider 15w40. Your thoughts? Thanks
What car is it?
@@varunyogarajah8070 2009 Audi A4 B8 1.8T
@@varunyogarajah8070 1.8t a4 b8
Is Chinese aftermarket pump ( which will still sale OEM in China ) so when they sale US they can’t have the Bran on it.
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do you pop every oil filter (strainer) on cam bridge ? i have done rebuild and left that inside
Every single time I remove the screen in the camshaft bride. Nothing bad happens when it’s gone but when it comes apart oil restriction in the camshaft can and might happen
Good Morning! I have leftovers 0W-20 Motor oil and wondering I can use that one shot for 5K miles and then go back to 5W-40?
No
I just pulled my engine apart , I had a balance shaft sieze up and oil pump failure, 🤦 2011 A5 with 110k on the clock
From someone who works in OEM manufacturing i would guess those were all mad at the same factory on the same line. When OEM parts are made if they fail the OEM tests they are put to the side and tested under "warehouse" standards. The windows are opened up a bit and then if they pass they go to "aftermarkert" suppliers like Oreillys or autozone under a different name. Same part same process, just looser standards.
Just curious but how do you know when your timing chain is starting to stretch? Been having slight problems with my 2.0 TFSI when I accelerate out of corners it hesitates to catch the right gear and bucks when it finally does.
If it hasn’t had it and it’s over 100k it probably needs it despite the year. 2009-2016 I and others show how you can also check it with obd11 or pop the inspection plug off and see how far the tensioner is pushed out.
@@NaptownTuner Thanks! Yea its a 2014 with just over 100k, i was going to send it to the local Audi dealer that i have work on my car and have the upper cam tray resealed since its leaking on cylinder 3 and was gunna see if they could check the timing and everything to see if it needed re-done or not with those issues ive been having.
VCDS engine measuring blocks or obdeleven is the easiest way to monitor stretch
@@theGinthebuilding Thanks! I happen to have an OBDII scanner but didn't see an option to monitor the stretch but ill check again.
@@shivermetootoo he won't be able to see it with a scanner like that unless it's like a snap-on or high-end scanner. And I forget what the measuring block is named that you need to look at
I was given a 2010 A5 2.0t with 175k on her
They ARE authentic Audi pumps but they’re previously broken pumps, turned in as cores and re manufactured.
The internal parts are the question!
So to do it properly, rebuilding the engines cost outweighs the vehicles value as a whole if its over 100k miles
Differentiation between piston revisions: 0:42
Please, czech subtitle 🙏
hey do you have a spare engine you can sell? i need one
What are you trying to spend because gone through engines cost more than used junkyard engines you’ll buy from lkq etc
3000K+ to get it solved? much better buying a new engine and swap it...
Naptown? Didn't Audi test these engines before going on the market? They pay employees to drive them 500,000 miles or more I thought to see what fails, etc. I'm really confused as why they ignore this problem for so many years? They had a lawsuit back in the early 2000's on that 30valve v-6 that had major issues and here History is repeating itself . I'm paying a shop $7500 for a 60K mile CPMA engine and I'm still screwed because the timing chains probably need replace soon. He works on Audi's but never does the balance chain when he does a timing chain job. He doesn't fully understand this engine.. I'm waiting for him to tell me the engine swap is done. I can't even sleep knowing my 2013 A4 Premium plus is up to $17000.00.(Under water) and still the original chains at 60k. I'm just sick about this mess. I don't want him to touch nothing, just the swap and he will double check the water pump.
I guess more people need to have me do it. I’m gonna start putting everything together and testing it in my own vehicle before doing mobile out of state repairs
@@NaptownTuner Yes, I think you would corner the market with your skills Naptown! I think you have realized lately you're in more demand with the B8 B8.5 series. I could've uhaul my car to you if I was to know this other Import shop wasn't as knowledgeable as he said to me on the phone. There were 2 other reputable Audi shops around Detroit. But with this stupid Covid, things are backed up for months. I don't even know what went wrong with my engine at 101k. It sounded like a rod knock at 1400rpms after warmed up. That's why I ask you about the Balance shafts and symptoms over a week ago. I just turned 50 and I have did engine swaps on the Audi 90 B4 AFC engine 6 cyl because of oil leaks and oil consumption. You showed that engine on your video at the salvage. yard. Anyways, keep up the good work. You have a nice group of followers lately. Also, I do get my original engine back. So, me and Father will tear it down and see what the caused is. I'm just upset. Paid $10,500.00 for the car last February 94,000 miles and never made it pass the first oil change from a Audi Dealer. $1200 on new Conti pro tires and now $7500. :(
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Best advice, never ever buy this engine.
Such a horrible engine.
Hi, you email please