How a Jazz guy improvises VS how a Classical guy improvises
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I've seen classical guitarists that can improvise, but mostly because they have also learned other playing style, like flamenco or fado.
“You played that note .000568342 of a microsecond to soon. Sacrilegious. Practice more.”
It's not a mistake it's just JAZZ BABY
You two would make a good couple
Classical musicians' timing is terrible. They don't use metronome cuz "it kills emotions"
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The classical guy is just reacting to you handing him a steel string
Lol
My thoughts exactly...
Exactly , I'd played jazz for 8yrs before doing a licentiate in classical, gotta know your shit. Guitar is hot thus century
The classical guitarists will hang u on a cross and burn u alive for the desecration...^^v haha
So real. At uni when I was studying composition I couldn't find anybody confident in improvising that had a classical background. Meant I could never jam with a flautist or a violinist because they didn't get it. Which is BEWILDERING because they knew more theory than me
Haha i have that one violist friend and guess what..?
You're right
@@WhiteCranK I've only ever been able to jam for real with 1 classically trained musician and it was a viola player. Massive dork and legendary human
More about music theory or the compositional style of 18th century western musicians
@@Quasarmusic1 yes that is accurate. But that's western harmony, anything diatonic really. So in theory with that knowledge you should be able to improvise like a boss, provided I don't throw them any atonal jazz stuff
@@the_quadracorn I agree. It’s also odd that they would need to count in their head as opposed to just coming in when it’s known for the then to come in.
Reminds me of the adage: "how do you stop a guitarist from playing? Stick some sheet music in front of them. How do you stop a classically trained guitarist from playing? Take theirs away."
spot on
Lmfao
Take their guitars away and they both should stop playing.
@@Ramdas_Devadiga lol
@@Ramdas_Devadigabrh 😅
Bach would be so disappointed..
@@zeppelinfan9360 most classical and baroque musicians improvised on their own pieces, I would rather look at 100 different takes of the Mona Lisa than the same thing over and over again
@@zeppelinfan9360 And he seems to be pointing out the unfortunate state you have explained
Exactly, thanks.
@@x3-LSTR-512
improvisation started even before baroque period. They didn't improvise on one of their pieces, they improvised whole structured pieces...
the thing about jazz being improvised is just a lie, they learn a harmony so they know what works over it...
It can be impressive certainly, but calling that 'improvisation' is not correct at all
@@JulioLeonFandinho This is not a very informed take.
Baroque basso continuo improvisation relied on partimenti a lot of the time which are basically the same as lead sheets in jazz just written with a bassline instead of the melody
Improvising harmony can only be done consistently alone, otherwise people clash. And even then pianists manage to do it without clashing with the band using chord transformations and substitutions on beats where others don't play
Also, "whole structured pieces" are also done following formulaes, like sonata form or others.
As soon as you play notes that were not planned precisely beforehand, it's improvisation
it's because classical music is treated more as a museum than actual performance now.
It was actually a fun entertainment. People make music for fun and money of course back then, ppl like bach, chopin, mozart was improviser, do you really think bach composed all those thousands of pieces every week? No he just improvised it and if he think it’s cool then he writes it down
When i said thousands i’m not exaggerating, also Beethoven literally did so many "jam" with other musicians of his time, you know like showing of their skills in real time situations with no sheet, he literally became popular because of that. Music school just ruined it, same with jazz actually, you need to learn atleast 100 standards to be a jazz musician like wtf jazz was a peasant music no offense, jazz became a serious music since bebop era
@@jamesmiles3341add on top of the insane fact that rock bands are not common classes in public schools in the us and u start to realize how fucked art education is in this country
Ever heard of JS Bach? He could improvise multi part fugues.
Unfortunately, people who study classical music often become institutionalized and there is no room for improv in the current institution of classical music . It used to be a large part of classical music. Mozart could sit down and improvise a sonata on command. Now it's all about pleasing the professor.
Spot on. I'm teaching a few classical students at the moment and my usual discipline is the rockschool curriculum. I'm always shocked at how rigid the abrsm curriculum is, and how much it stunts students in their ability to freely express themselves musically. It's painting by numbers for musicians, basically.
Ive also read that beethoven would mark his sheet music with several bars saying improv here.
Now improv for 32bars here.
It seems to be only modern classical players who are never taught how to improvise.
@@castleanthrax1833Improvising is not improving a song.
Improvising in a classical style would be playing partimento, using rule of octaves, improvising in "baroque style", playing a cadenza, playing in "free fantasia", playing a prelude non mesure, ornamentations, or playing variations on a melody.
You wouldn't be improvising in Für Elise or in The Shape of You (Ed Sheeran), because then you wouldn't be playing those songs.
However, if a song includes improvisation then you could improvise on the song while still be playing it, improvising being playing spontaneously/freely within a certain framework, you wouldn't go from a Jazz to progressive rock and then back to Jazz.
The point of improvising a Bach piece (depending on the piece), could be, playing it as intended.
Based
@@castleanthrax1833what’s astounding about your argument is that the composers themselves DID want players to improvise and add on to the music. Improvisation isn’t about “improving” a piece it’s about making it your own and making each performance of it have something fresh or interesting.
Sad thing is that ppl like chopin and Bach improvised all the time but apparently that didn't get passed down
It did, just not usually taught. Look up Partimento and rule of the octave.
Yep, and Mozart and Beethoven were genius improvisors as well.
Franz Liszt? Maybe the greatest pianist of all time and a great improviser
A friend who was trained in classical music described her experience as "knowing the artists intentions" rather than being trained to produce good music. The kid was trained to follow the sheet music to a T and to be fair, I'd say she was pretty good at her job. But godayum was it limiting because the teachers only cared about perfecting a piece rather than teaching why it is so good in the first place.
@@pondreezy True. The style pf Rameau became the standard way of learning music during the 1900s. Partimento is a better way of learning music.
Every piece of music started out as an improvisation.
This is so true, my aunt could play any song on a piano, as long as the sheet music in front of her, could not and would not play anything without it.
Is the joke about reading sheet music? I thought it was because the guitar was an acoustic steel string. Maybe it's both sheet music and the guitar.
So, because your aunt refuses to play without sheet music, this is the rule?
I never would understand that, I thought the whole point was self expression?
How a metal musician improvises- sweep picking, trem picking, and a lot of random shreds.
Yeyyyyy
The only reason I know this is because I’m a guitarist, and I really like metal.
This is very true, it is fun though
@heela yeah it really is. I like to play whatever I think would challenge me and if that means go full metal on it then I will.
@@NylTheMC exactly metal all the way with a tint of classical jazz stuff
Classical musicians: We don't do that here
As a classical musician I felt offended by being represented with the steel strings
When I heard Classical Musicians improvises I was like-- *HOW?!*
Classical composers: "Let the silence speak just as much as the sound"
Ha I knew the punchline before you got to it. I went to music school and anytime you wanted to talented classical musician to look like a deer in the head lights you just asked them to improv.
I was expecting this punchline lmfao
Classical improvisation is such a niche field and it's a shame because it's really fucking cool. It's luckily still quite alive specifically within organists because they are required to learn and play figured bass which sets the fundamentals for intuitive musical understanding really high, but from what I've heard from classmates, even that is starting to die out...
Was going to mention figured bass but it's niche and fairly obsolete with a few exceptions. Also it was common for composers and musicians back then to improvise as sheet music was written and not perfect (the ability was seen as masterful as the more famous composers of the day would be able to compose on the spot.) Kind of ironic that now it's all about the sheet music and you have masterful players that I would hardly call musicians because they can't/don't compose. I believe in the classical world the focus shouldn't be strictly on technique and sight reading. It's important but musicians should also be able to use their ear and write/improvise
@@DyingBobby I'd say the high artform with modern day classical music is interpreting repertoire. Because all note choices are preplanned, the microinflections get more attention in the improvisational aspect. It's what I love about it and why I continue to study. But I think we should be training musicians to understand what they play and not turn them in to muscle memory robots.
@@DyingBobby classical musicians have highly trained ears. Definitely should be more focus on improv though.
The composition program is a specialized program in music universities and is oftentimes reserved for comp majors. So even if classical performance majors want to take comp classes, they can't.
When I listen to large symphonies I always pay attention to the development sections. Feels like the composer’s written improvisation.
Cool skills classicman
“Jazz improvisation “ *proceeds to only play blues licks*
As a guitarist who started on classical.. I can confirm, this is true
Classical guitarist would probably use a classical guitar too
I never expected the ending part. This really made me laugh harder than I could ever imagine 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Feeling kinda attacked rn ngl lmao
Good. Get better at improv 😂
@@BababooeyYcho66T Lmao 🤣
skill issue
same man, been classically trained but i’d love to learn how to improvise as well
Haha, classical singer when I was younger, and a flautist.. but yeah, never once improvised. Been playing guitar for three years and there's nothing quite like being in a room full of musicians improvising when the magic happens, it's sublime.
I new that was gonna happen🤣
There should be more improvisation in classical music. It can work, especially for cadenzas. I also know that when classical music was big, improvisation was more common.
yeah as someone who got some idea in music, I saw it coming at the end lmao
Organists would like a word with you
I was WONDERING what the heck the classical musician was going to do haha
This is how a jazz musician improvises
plays bluesy lick*
I lol'd but improvisation was all the rage in the baroque era! Bach was a masterful improviser!!
then why don't modern day classical musicians learn how to improvise?
@@methyod Some do, I've seen Pekka Kuusisto go to town with the Toronto Symphony. But indeed it is no longer normal (Beethoven was also a prodigious improviser).
Honestly, if I had the tabs of that, I would obviously learn what Brandon played
Reminds me of school of Rock. The kid that played the piano had been classically trained since he was really little and literally could not improvise.
That’s why I think jazz is one of the best genres ever, I’m not joking. I learned improvisation completely alone and I’m good,but for someone else that can’t improvise is hard to learn without a theacher. I’m a classical guitar player but I can also play electric guitar whit music theory,and almost every riff and solo that I wrote is improvised and then translated into sheet music
classical music education has globally turned into a program for producing robots that can convert sheet music into sound waves with the use of musical instruments
Fully agree. Without improvisation and spontaneity, music wouldn’t be my passion. I swear there is nothing cooler than jamming, you just feel so free and it’s like you’re manifesting your own momentary thoughts and emotions into sound waves in reality like a magician. If I had to be a robot that reproduces the same sound over and over I would fall into depression
Dude you're hilarious!! I'm dead😂
Sooooo true - I think of them as amazing super genius typists
cannot unerstand
my good sir, your fingers dance elegantly across the frett board, i'm so jealous
Wait till bro finds out what a cadenza is
I literally had to stop everything I was doing because that is fucking hilarious OMG
I have that guitar!
So? Improvisationan doesn't indicate talent, nor does it indicate greater musical acumen. The greatest guitarists are still classical ones.
It's 100% true.
Bro wasn’t counting in for when his next bit is absolutely outrageous
As a jazz musician just go with the flow of the music as long as it sounds right and doesn’t mess with or clashes with other parts within the music it should be fine
Needless to say
This was funny as shit
well done!
I love how Brandon stared into our souls
These days you're right! Sad how things have changed from the time of Mozart!
Respect to both!
That's what I was thinking.
Maybe I haven't ventured far enough but I ain't ever heard jazz like that, any other music like that
Jazz musican: improvises
Classical musician: 15 seconds of pure silence
Research the life of Bach and Beethoven to what relates to improvisation and you might change your mind....
I would say baroque composers definitely improvised, later Mozart and yes Beethoven.
Wasn't ready for that one, that's quite funny 🤣
You know that this guys knows his stuff because he stares into the camera devoid of any facial expression
the jazz lines clearly need some work, but the point is completely based
Had a more blues feel than jazz
Improvisation
Classical musician : we don't do that here
Guitar snob final boss
What is that jazz piece anyway? Sounded great
I feel like dis was my choir director
I’ve played saxophone for 10 years, never got to learn jazz, always studied classical in high school, I wanted to learn jazz but couldn’t at the time.
This is so true, I have no clue where to start on improvising but I want to learn
I was waiting "the lick"
Indeed. Jazz sees shapes, classical sees movement. Hard to improvise when the chord of the song moves 6 times in 2 measures.
As a classical mucisian I know how to improvise and I love it
Yay I must be a classical musician.
I had a violinist that was giving some music from a person that wrote it and pointed out to the improvisational part of the music piece. She gave gave him a puzzle look and he decided to just write her out and improv piece in the music. True story.
strong words for someone who play elevator music
better than the same thing passed down for 100 years 😭
@@Eva-oq8kq idk about that man. Jazz is great but this guy’s improv is derivative and lifeless. Completely lacks soul and character.
go back to parroting fugue number 60000 you soulless music box
@@llsnickers2372I mean that's just the nature of a 30 second short. Not much room for nuance and stuff. I like the playing. Plus I see no problem with derivative playing anyway. Is everyone supposed to be some sort of innovator? Some of my favorite players are "copycats."
Classical composers, at least, have improvised to great heights. JSB and Beethoven most famously.
where you get this guitar??? it's look really cool!!
That was pretty cool man. Wan.luv all
I was honestly looking forward to some cadenza 🥲
Classical guitarists improvise all the time. Ever piece is an improvised performance. Only not in the notes bit the whole way a piecs is played which can sound totally different between player to player and performance to performance. Its just a different kind of improv. A fantasia in classical guitar music is also an improvised piece
mediterranean sundance live in sanfransico.
Sounded amazing
cries in winter sonata
So spot on. Close friend: PHD classical guitarist, owns a music school... can't and won't even attempt improv.
Very like your stuff dude
You should do one on how a jazz musician sight reads vs. a classical musician
I had the same bewildering experience at the music academy. My classical guitar teacher who also played some flamenco couldn't play along with a simple blues, just jamming. He needed some music score to look at or he was lost. Spontaneity and improv is litteraly bred out of classical musicians. Paradoxally, in Mozart and Bach times they improvised A LOT, Bach even took part in improvisation competitions. Conservatories have become musea.
I was requited to study both classical and jazz. I can somewhat improvise but it's more like a composition.
True.
Classical musician: Now just leave!
Excellent
Love to see him play a bit of classical
no no no u did me dirty there i have to improv every session and its so fun but annyoing
Jazz: IT'S THE LAW!!!
Classical: We don't do that here...
😂😂😂 you're awesome dude!
Modern classical maybe. Some musicians in that maid some of the classical we listen to today were proficient improvisers
I was like 'wait, classical musician's improvise??' haha nice
I actually laughed so hard from that hahahaa thanks for that brotha
Moment of silence for those who didn't get the joke
That sounded very different to the improv competitions we had at school. Classical music improvisations are far more advanced, and players usually ask for a melody from the audience and then the player proceeds to improvise over that melody in the styles of different composers.
reminds of the breaking bad scene "it's like I'm classical, and you're jazz"
Just worth noting that there are strong improvising traditions in classical music today. Church organists and early music keyboard players are two notable examples.
TOTALLY!
Renaissance and Baroque music has improvisation.
bro starring my soul
Improvising used to be an integral part of the life of classical musicians, especially virtuosi. Also, check out partimento. This is funny though.
Aw this is actually sad:( all my classical musicians be confident in your abilities💪