Why do I need this on a Chronograph? 😑
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2023
- What's the most useless feature on a watch? That would be the 24 hour scale aka the AM/PM indicator on a watch. Watches featured:
Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso Classic Duoface Medium
Seiko Speedtimer SSC813, SSC815, SSC819
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Believe it or not, I love having the 24hr reading as it helps me see how far I’m throughout the day. “Oh I’m 60% through today”
Literally same
Haha same
Same, it seems you're not the only one but one of a lot.
Love the way u see things, now I can appreciate the 24hours dial a little bit more
Love this! Makes me even want this feature! We only have 24 hours a day, use it wisely!
It’s super helpful when setting your watch with a date. Otherwise you need to turn until the day change to know you are at midnight.
If you've one watch like me, you'll do it only once.
Disagree! If you’re stuck in a bunker, how can you tell the time is a.m. or p.m.?
Or on a submarine
What about being a degenerate gambler and want to know if it’s day or night, not that it matters since the next shoe is looking hot so you’ll win it all back.
That would help except for the fact that I pawned it to the pit boss to give me a line of credit and now my kid can't get braces until next year 😢
best reason to have it
😂
It's nice to know when the date/day is going to flip if youre setting it and dont want to roll through the whole month/week
I think that’s the only time I’ll actually look at it, but so many watches don’t need it
You need a dial for this? C'mon really?????
I like it as well. It's definitely a nice to have feature, not something that would cause me to buy or not buy a watch.
Also it counts the hours if your using the chrono
@muzza9338 "it's nice to" meaning it's cool but not mandatory.
Glad you made a video on this complication. I 100% agree with your statement. There’s not that many people in Alaska with Seiko’s, the market is small for that. I wish they had put a hour totalizator instead of the 24 hour one, that would be a lot better.
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24 hour face makes it really easy to set up time on a watch with a date 🙂
On an automatic watch, absolutely. There's no date mechanism on a quartz watch that is breakable so it's useless there
@@kaiwilliams141what?
24 hour scale is not useless ! it allows wearer to know if they are long time stuck in a mall or indoor environment or a cave etc.... to know it is day or night , which is the same as a SUN/Moon disc.
Sun moon disc is good for decoration
I actually like the 24 hours dial because it gives me a sense of the day as a whole, like how much did i have left to enjoy or how much I have used. Don't know how to explain better, it is just a emotional perspective about seeing the full day going away
Also people dont understand that world exist outside of US, for example in my country 1 pm is 13 and 1 is pronouncing for 1am etc...
Chronograph watches need that 24 hour feature, itself allows easier setting up of time & date by their own.
Tachymeter on a chronograph is completely useless too.
At least the Tachymeter has connection to racing
If it hasn't got a tachograph it's just a watch🙄
I think that just in general, 3 dials on a face can be an aesthetically pleasing feature to look at in terms of balance, and when you look at a lot of countries where the number 3 is considered lucky, and has significant meaning, sometimes you just need something so simple yet so important for a special wrist piece for it to stand out even among other watches.
All do respect Sir, imho I do not even consider “aesthetics “ when considering a TOOL watch…..not a freaking fashion statement.
@@jazzman5598 eh, you'd be surprised at what people are calling "aesthetic" these days. These people buying expensive watches are the same people buying the MSCHF yellow boot crocs.
My speedmaster mk40 has a 24h sub dial, one half is painted in a lighter shade of blue so you know that’s the safe zone for adjusting the calendar without breaking the mechanism. So I guess most chronographs have it because of that
As someone who does data entry and has to put everything in 24 hour format, it can be a nice little feature. The times between 1500 and 1800 somehow screw with me periodically, so the watch makes a great reference when I check times on paperwork.
That’s another good use function
At my place. 6pm and 6am looks the same. Though.
The 24 hr timer is a useless sub dial.
All of our vehicle tracking and work calendars docs need to be filled in 24 hr time. Def makes it easiers for some of our people.
Probably for Le mans because it's a 24-hour race and I know people take shifts but I think it's still keeps it handy for 24 hours lol
as someone who had to serve in the command operations room on a 24 hour shift during my mandatory conscription National service, I can tell you that it was beneficial to know considering i'm inside the damn room for the whole period and there's no windows or natural light entering the room to tell you if it's morning or afternoon.
When a watch is wound down, to me it’s very useful to find out if it’s in the “danger zone” to change the date. Plus there are so many aesthetic things you can do with a 24 hour dial, like symmetrical dials and moon phases.
I think this feature is important in an explorer's watch, like if you're stuck inside a cave waiting for help. But not so much for a normal watch
Iam a Musician/singer. There are times where i get inside studio and work 40-60 hours. I cannot see sunlight/moonlight to determine if it’s AM or PM
Suddenly EVERYONE’s a spelunker 🙄
When adjusting the date the 24h indicator comes handy to know if he is in AM or PM so that the date doesnt change noon time by mistake
Considering that the rest of the world uses a 24hour clock....... think young brother
Sure - on a GMT or Worldtimer makes sense, but on a 60 minute Chronograph watch? I think you and I both know there are many watches that are universally worn that don’t need a AM/PM indicator
But nearly all analog clocks and watches still use a 12 hour face. If you need to know the 24 hour time you would probably be better off with a digital or smart watch anyways.
@@MinuteMonI think it also has to do on preference in the watch people want to wear. Sure I like my gmt but I love how the my Chrono looks
I think the watch looks more symmetrical with it and thats about it
Yes I prefer the triple subdial layout but I would’ve loved a 12 hour counter for the Chronograph instead of a 24 hour scale
Hidden features of Chronograph watch subdial that has 24, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 markings; If you take your watch off align the little dial towards the Sun you will get compass directions. 12 o'clock is always North. It's a rudimentary way of finding out cardinal directions for your surroundings if you were lost.
Here’s another reason why it’s actually useful: if you haven’t used that particular watch in a while, you need to wind it and maybe set the date agains however, if it’s towards the evening and it’s let’s say 11 pm, you cannot change the time as it will damage the mechanism. So if I know it’s 11 am, I can change the time and date without worrying. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not an excuse to pay more for a chrono but it is another useful reason😂
What you can't adjust the time first before changing the date?
Really? I can't believe some of these silly excuses for a useless dial.... Cosmetics maybe but that's it...
You’re right, the only time I even look at it is when I’m changing the date and setting the watch
It's just a nice thing to know how much is actually left of the day as such. Also helps with approximating e.g. how much sleep im about to get etc. Pp.
I imagine for military or cops it’s useful as well. But then again they’re probably wearing gshock, not seiko
As someone who works in a hospital, I'm rocking the old reliable. The DW-5600 😂
Seeing as how the SSC813/819 is one of my favorite watches, I really do wish that 24hr sundial was used for something more useful.
Bro clearly has never had one of those day time naps into the evening darkness where you’re unsure if it’s night time or the morning
am or pm
"wha?" xD
A day has 24 hours, so the real question is why aren't 24h dials mainstream.
Wherever it's possible, I always set 24h scale. It's not "military time", it's homo sapiens time.
It is bro. The only places that use AM-PM are British influence countries. Most of the world uses 24hr system.
LMAOOO "....what??"
The only time i think a 24 hour timer is useful would be if you lived near the poles where daylight is longer than 12 hours, work on a submarine or something else that doesn't let you see daylight for a while.
Beyond that, its useless to many people, and imo, the argument it helps set up the day/date is pointless. It only takes maximum of two rotations to know when it shifts to the next day.
It makes it easy to set day and date on a watch
Fifth option: in a casino
Hahaha love it
I think it's more important when you get kidnapped and lay around in a dark room or get lost in a cave or something
Hope that never happens
Ever heard of Le Mans ? It’s a 24 hour endurance Motor Race in France 🇫🇷 where NO ONE will give foreigners the time of day !☠️😎😎😎
You're quite right. But what I hate most is a watch with short hands, especially the minute hand like CASIO EDIFICE they make great value and quality watches only to screw them up with very short hands that in some models it's hard for the eye to make the difference between the hour and the minute hand.. This is still an inexplicable secret to me !
Long term timing in a race, such as a Rolex 24 or any 24 hour race
That would make sense if the Seiko could count more than one hour, but it can only display up to 60 mins on the Chronograph unless you can remember the hours
@@MinuteMonWasn't he saying you could use the 24 hour sub dial to time the race?
My logic is that you wake up in a shipping container with no way out and can't see if it's day or night outside, so a 24hr clock would be very useful in that scenario.
Having worked in healthcare settings for my career, 24 hour time is used in hospitals and clinics to avoid confusion with treatment, medication, and diagnostic testing. I absolutely prefer this feature when I buy watches.
I mean chrono is for racing and one of the most iconic races is the 24h Le Mans so I guess that could be a reason
I see where that is going, but my Seiko can only count up to 60 minutes 😆 I love Chronographs, but this 24 hour scale has always puzzled me
Hahaha the added skit for context
It helps me in scheduling the day , it's weird but it helps
if you live on the ISS, you actually go thru multiple time zones very fast so yes, this could be helpful for those orbiting the Earth too lol
It’s called military time. Makes it a little faster when someone tells you to be there at 1720.
Because once I woke up @ 6pm after a very long nap and I was confused of whether it's evening or morning, when I asked it to my roommate they were laughing and nobody answered.
Military time is a little easier with the 24 hour dial if your not too familiar at first 😅
I'm telling you..A threehander with a date is all you need. Unless you're a PAN AM pilot somehow trapped in the 1960's...
I really enjoy the 24 hour sub dial. It's a great am/pm indicator. Mostly, I think it adds interest to the piece. It's constantly moving, in a different position throughout the day. With a 12 hour chronograph only one sub dial is moving. The other two being at 12. I enjoy using the chronograph, for the most part it's not in use. I have other digitals and a phone if I need a stop watch. That being a 24 hour stop watch. A chrono with two sub dials in motion is cool to me. So many people dislike this feature. They usually wish it was a 12 hour indicator.
I have the Orient Sun & Moon as my first mechanical watch, which has the Sun & Moon disk as an AM/PM indicator. It's not entirely useful for everyday use. But for someone who sometime takes a midday nap and wakes up confused about what part of day it is (6am and 6pm light can be confusing), the AM/PM indicator does come in handy.
I believe it's for blind people because they don't know it's day or night
I heard you can change the 24 hr setting and it runs independently of what ever time is set on the watch. That can be useful.
We can easily check the 24hr format without any mind calculation. It is easy when I check the railway time table. Plus it tells how much of the day is left just like a pie diagram. I like the feature anyway.
Ampm or 24 hour mode is useful in a military situation fighting in an underground facility.
I hate it when they put an elapsed time bezel on a chronograph. Like… why? A chronograph already measures elapsed time. Put some other function on the bezel like a countdown or hours or something.
Because it looks really nice and at the price point of this Seiko Speedtimer I am plenty happy with it. Georgia's watch with a ton of value at a $600 price point. I picked one up for $540 and couldn't be happier. Most of these features are never used by wearers, let's keep it 100% 98% of chrono or chrono style watches are about anesthetics and nothing else. 😊
I adore a GMT or solar dial watch because it keeps track of your most valuable resource: The time within your day!
In the summer from 6 to 8 its also useful in the northern hemisphere
The 24-hour dial has nothing to do with tracking secondary time zone or GMT. It does not operate separately from the hour hand. It’s just a n AM/PM indicator and nothing more.
I actually like it, military always goes by 24
The AM/PM is needed when you don't use the watch for long and wind up the spring to full and set time. Now the problem lies after this while setting up date. For example the clock stopped running 4' O clock and now I reset the time to let say 2'o clock in the afternoon but I don't know whether it's 2PM or 2 AM that my watch is set to. This will eventually lead to wrong update of date and day after few hours. It could be that I am expecting the day date to change after midnight but my watch didn't instead it changed date day in 12'o clock afternoon
Haha🤣 This is exactly the reason why I didn’t buy a Seiko Speedtimer! That 3 o’clock sub-dial is redundant!
I still bought mine and love using it but that one feature always puzzles me
Most people I know who wear a diver watch never dive and those who wear a chronograph never use the chronograph.
100%
Just to reiterate what Teddy says about the matter, knowing if it's AM or PM on your watch is useful when setting the calendar date, otherwise you can grind the gear down and damage the watch if the date is about to change to the next day. Makes sense
If you're wearing that watch when you fall asleep, then wake up you want to make sure what time it is.
Seiko 5 mint vintage watch price?
Stuck in a cave. What time is it? Thats why you need a 24 hour analog gauge. On my watch ⌚️ its one of the last features to stop if I dont have a light source.
Medical work, we use 24hrs for documentation
If you need a watch to tell you what day it is….it means you may have dementia!
A watch vendor once told me that one of her clients always praised this feature on his watches becusse it allowed him to know that time of day it was when getting home after a long drinking session. He knew weather it was day or night before entering the home and greeting his probably angry wife 😂
Perhaps the only other useful aspect of a "fixed" 24h subdial is making it a tad faster to set a day/date complication, where you instantly know whether or not you're in the "safe zone" for changing the day and/or date. Other than that, yeah, rather pointless.
I would really prefer if the 24hr time was settable to any time so it acts like a mini GMT
100% agree. As I am looking for a good chronograph with a 12-hour totalizer, it drives me crazy that 90% of chronographs waste one of their subdials on this useless feature.
In quartz there are the ETA 251 movements. 12h totalizer, 1/10 second and small seconds subdials.
I work for the past office and we use military time so owning a Hamilton have worked best for me
Traveling, places like Alaska, jobs where you don't get to see the sun often, I'm sure there are others I'm missing
Medical field would be a good one too. For 24hr scale
I mean maybe it’s for people for whom day and night aren’t relevant
The example that stands out are people in space where that concept is just void
But also people submerged for a long time, maybe military personnel?
I’m not sure myself but I can definitely see it having use
I'm currently trapped in a car trunk in a las vegas lot... would really like to know if it's night out.
Some people find function using Military Time.
I think it is cheaper to do a 24 hour indicator rather than an hour timer
Military time. People who serve or is still serving would understand.
In Europe for example AM/PM doesn’t exist. We use 24hr.
I can tell he's never been in the military.
Yeah, I would much rather this Seiko had a 30-min timer (easier to read) and replaced this 24-hr one with a chronograph hour/half-hour scale, so you could time hours. Still an awesome watch!
As a flight attendant, I need the military time. 😊
24 hour wheel. I forgot about that. It is pretty useless.
What about UTC for pilots? My watch has UTC and 24H.
I fast for 24 hours every 3 days. Super super useful for that.
Actually we have to do alot of paperwork at my job and we use military time so it can help with that as well.
Date, Power Reserve & GMT are indeed useful complications. I do not think any other complication is of any real use.
There are several times a year I need to time something down to the second over a 24hr period. The commenter who pointed out Le Man is correct. There are those who need it and that is why it is there.
Easier to tell military time. 1:00pm would be 1300.
If you think like this, the whole watch is useless. Simply check your phone.
Alarm would’ve been nice