Dell WYSE 5060 Thin Client MEMORY UPGRADE | Homelab Operations Center
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- When I tore down my Dell Wyse 5060 thin clients previously, I didn't notice that it had removable memory because the SODIMM slots are under a metal RF shield that looks like part of the CPU heat sink. A viewer on the teardown video told me the memory can be upgraded, so I bought 3x8GB DDR3L sticks to upgrade these guys to 8GB each. When I tore them apart, I learned that they actually have two slots (and one of them is ungodly hard to access), so I kept the existing 4GB stick and added an 8GB stick to bring the total system memory up to 12GB each, which is plenty of space to do actual virtualization work.
I have more projects coming with the 3-node HA Proxmox cluster, so having more RAM will really help with this.
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you should put the bigger one on the bottom so that you can more easily change the smaller one later on, if you want to upgrade later on.
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Awesome, I’ve got a few of these coming today and I was hoping I could increase the RAM in them. Good to see it’s possible.
It's maddening how tight it is around the front power light pipe, but it's definitely doable. It supports up to 8G per stick with 2 sticks total.
@@apalrdsadventures Hey, I am new to Thin Clients, i need 1 for home office use and home assistant 24/7 use. Which Thin Client is the best ? whats your top 3 of all time ?
A lot of them are good enough for Home Assistant, it really depends on if you want to expand the storage and what the good deals are on ebay. The HP T530 and Dell Wyse 5060 are the two favorites that I own, but make sure you find one with a power supply since that can sometimes cost as much as the unit without one.
@@apalrdsadventures can the memory and storage be expanded on those 2 unit ? if so, can you share links to the recommended memory and/or storage drive ? also, which wifi card can work this machine ?
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Try a Wyse Zx0Q. Those have 2 slots that are easier to get to. Can add a 2nd 2.5 ssd. Some rare models have an additional video card installed. And beware if you want to flash the bios. I bricked my 5060.
I'm definitely looking for more of these (since now I want to *keep* my 3 node cluster + use one as a permanent OBS screen capture box)
i have had 16gb in mine at one time. currently 8gb. also used a sata adapter an installed a 512gb ssd with X64 Win10 & added an internal wifi from a scrap laptop
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these are great little machines, would love to see a video about flashing the BIOS! not too much on the interwebs about it.
Just curious, what issues have you had with the existing BIOSes? From what I can tell, there were never many revisions released for these and in general they all kinda suck
What is the average powerdraw of these machines with max memory?
In my 5060 I have two 8GB sticks for 16G total which is the max, it will see 16GB sticks but only as 8GB. Indeed not designed to put in the second, dimm, you have to loosen the front to wiggle it in. I am running Proxmox on it as well.
Thks for confirming 16G - once apalrd's found the second slot I was hoping he would test 16G (8+8), 12G (8+4) and 8G (4+4) setups.
I only bought 3x 8G sticks, thinking there was only one sodimm slot (I didn't actually take it apart again before buying memory), so the 12G is a pleasant surprise and enough for my next cluster video. 16G would be better, but so would buying a 4th node lol
These are fun.
They are so useful!
I'm trying to run batocera on one of these,would it help if I put an 8gb ram in,some of the late 90's wont run very well
I'm not sure if 4G of RAM would be the limiting factor. It might help, but I wouldn't bet on 4G being a big issue for games and emulators targeting that era
Thankyou so much for this, saved me going she hulk on it.
Glad you were able to get yours apart without too much frustration
What kind of Ram did you need for it. I know ever little about ram, a link to ebay or amazon would be great if you have it?
PCL3 12800 SODIMM
I got these (both the single and dual kits, 3 total):
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0191WAEP8/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Does it have Wake on Lan and Virtualization capabilities?
Yes to both
What type of ram does the wyse 5060 use? Is it DDR3?
DDR3L (low voltage)
The 5060 runs a Minecraft server amazingly!
It's so handy as a mini server
How many virtual machines can you run on the upgrade?
Windows 10? Probably 2-3 max per node. I haven't tried Windows on the cluster yet.
Linux? I usually give them 2G each, so 5 VMs per node. They could probably squeeze a bit.
LXC containers can use significantly less, with Ubuntu/Debian containers are down to a few hundred MB and lightweight distros like Alpine can get down to tens of MB for the OS overhead, plus the services themselves. I'm working on learning Alpine for future thin client projects.
12G is plenty to run all of my home automation services, including Home Assistant and Frigate in separate VMs, although I haven't tried putting my coral AI card in the m.2 wifi slot.
@@apalrdsadventures how do you get 5vm on an 4 core system, How does that work? Can’t run all 5vm at once right?
You can overprovision CPU but not generally RAM.
Guest tasks (virtual CPUs) will be scheduled by the Linux host scheduler, so the 'CPU Units' field is a unitless number that determines how the host scheduler prioritizes guest tasks.
RAM is a bit quirky too. The guest is guaranteed the amount of RAM specified and it's possible it will use all of it in physical RAM. If ballooning is used, the guest can give some of its unused RAM back to the host. Linux KSM ('Kernel Samepage Merging') can also share pages which are identical, so if your VMs are all of the same OS it's likely their pages will get merged and the host will have more RAM available for use.
Can you do one with the 7010 zx0?
I have a teardown video of the 7010, but it uses normal DDR3 DIMMs and there isn't much difficulty in adding more memory
What's bios password first??
Anyone know if this cud work Dell Wyse Zx0 Z90D7 Thin Client DTS AMD G-T56N 1.65GHz ..great vid as usual I wanted this try my hand in pi hole and other home automation tasks...
I don't have a Zx0, but from pictures online of the motherboard it looks like it uses normal DDR3 DIMMs, not SODIMMs
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There's no need to remove the board. The front panel pops off; at least mine did.
My front panel was held in by 2 screws + the two snaps, in the most maddening way
The 5060s look like quite capable little computers and I got mine cheap.
The 5060s are fairly powerful, passively cooled and power consumption at idle is low.
There are a few things I don’t like about them. RAM upgrades are doable but unnecessarily difficult and fiddly. Worse, for anything that requires a storage upgrade the 5060 sucks.
I took the motherboard of my 5060 out because I didn't realize that the back panel with the connectors can come out which gives sufficient access to the lower sodimm slot. (Correction - taking the back panel out alone will NOT allow access to the lower sodimm slot. But it makes taking the motherboard out and putting it back in much easier.)
The 5060 works OK with 8GB storage as a Thin Client, fair enough. For many other applications, you have to upgrade storage - and storage upgrades suck. There is the standard SATA connector, unfortunately, the case does not allow mounting a standard 2.5” SATA SSD drive internally. This means despite the standard SATA connector, the 5060 is non-standard in relation to storage.
The largest SSD’s Dell sells are 64GB, still too small for many applications. I have not tried to get a genuine 64GB Dell SSD for the 5060, but I would expect those are comparatively expensive if you can get one in the first place.
You see people take the module out of 2.5” hard drives and stick them in the SATA slot. In my case, I took the module out of a 120GB APACER 2.5” drive which is so wide it clashes with the RAM shielding. This requires modding the shielding or leaving the shielding out, both not great options. Also, the SATA module sits there at an angle to the motherboard, looks like that puts tension on the board and connector, which cannot be good in the long run.
I’m now thinking of a SATA extension cable but struggle to find a very short one. Coiling up half a meter of cable in the little case cannot be good for airflow. (Update: have installed an extension about 40cm long, just curled up the cables and fixed it to the bottom of the case with a tie. wrapped the SSD in insulation tape. This way the SSD sits lower than the heatsink and there seems to be no heat-related problems. From running this open, the CPU and heatsink do get so hot that you don't want to touch.)
If you ask me, Dell should have gone for standard m.2 SATA storage, similar to the HP T620 thin client.
RAM and Storage upgrades in HP thin clients are super easy. Dell should have a look at those.
Make sure you don't let a mSATA drive touch any metal on the case.
how to increase storage space?
You can add it over USB3 or replace the SATA drive. The SATA drive is half-length but uses a standard connector, but no cables, so you'd need a male to female sata and sata power cable to use a full-length ssd.
@@apalrdsadventures Where would you get the power for the sata power cable? I ordered a 128GB SSD and assume I don't need additional power but....
The header on the motherboard has a standard (female) SATA power and data connector, so you'd need to extend both of them. It's the opposite gender of a normal motherboard header since you plug the drive in directly to it.
The cost of memory is almost as much as I paid for the unit :)
Mine too, almost better to build a cluster of 9 instead of tripling the RAM on these 3