Charles Oakley Says Jordan and Pippen Are “Over” | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Charles Oakley to discuss his reaction to ESPN’s ‘The Last Dance’ and how it affected Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen’s relationship.
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But I don't understand, Scottie legit had almost an entire episode on his backstory and amazing rise, his skills, etc. I thought he had just as much, if not more, praise than Dennis and the others? And the obvious praise from MJ himself about Pip being his greatest teammate and essentially that the 6 couldn't be done without him.
People also forgot what the media said and how they fueled the division between scottie and michael after each episode of the last dance. The shannon Sharpe, Kendrick perkins, jay Williams, and nick Wright. Look at all of those shows on Monday after each episode. It was nothing but mj is wrong he threw his teammates under the bus, he should have help scottie with his contract (which he did). All of the interviews in the last dance were done in 2018, scottie knew what was in them he didn't get upset until he saw what ESPN and fox sports were saying about it. If you noticed everything he has said in his book and interviews promoting the book is exactly what they said on the ESPN and fox sports. Sports media is acting like they didn't create this beef
@@sonnywoods6846 there is no beef, Except in pippen's head
Everyone knows this man. Scottie is just being stupid lol
I almost wanted to comment that I felt pippen was under represented, but yes he had that whole segment about him on the last dance. Maybe it wasn't enough for him(cough) $10 millions reasons
I don’t think it’s about The Last Dance. I think Scottie was always envious and insecure about being viewed as a sidekick and not an equal to Michael. Look at his reaction to Phil drawing up the last play for Kukoc. Checked himself out because he felt it was his turn to shine with Mike being absent. The Last Dance just reopened wounds he never got over. He felt exposed to a whole new generation of people and handled it in the worst way imaginable.
“When they speak Michael Jordan they should speak Scottie Pippen” - Michael Jordan
That's literally how the documentary started
Then slanders him in every opportunity. This is what you call cheap talk.
@@wirelessbrain12 he spoke facts in the documentary. Nothing was made up. A lot of it on video like refusing to go into the game because the final shot was designed for Kukoc. Pippen till this day tries to justify that decision, and Kukoc made the shot. Imagine if he had missed it.
@@GameTime-yj6qv
Yeah, just imagine......we’d NEVER hear end of it.
A documentary where the billionaire got paid $10m while no one else was paid a dime from the bulls. MJ had final say over the doc and approved it the day Bron won in '16. One line from a doc you had complete control over isn't magnanimous, its calculated.
After hearing Pippen, and reading his book, I decided just to go out and buy 3 pairs of Air Jordans just for the hell of it.
You [sir/maam] have won in this comment section.
Lol, you wild.
🤣🤣🤣🤣me too
Lmao
What his book all about?
It's hard to lose a son. It's hard to have your ex-wife leave you and very publicly cheat on you. He's obviously just in a bad place right now. Some people's comments here are vicious.
But no need to take it out on MJ lol
@@GoGetYourShinebox He taking it out on everybody at this point. Dude is prolly in the worst space of his life.
he should target his ex-wife.
Hard to lose a dad toooooo🥺 to murder at that and 25 yrs later admits he didn't send condolences to his mj when he died is wild
Take it out on your enemies, not your friends and team mates … the reason why we know Scottie is because of what he accomplished alongside MJ …
Mj even said, you can't say Michael Jordan without saying pippen. I wouldn't have 6 rings without him.
I’ve commented on other channels concerning this topic, but Scottie’s recent behavior just makes me appreciate Mike and Phil more. That those teams won like they did with all of this mess going on behind the scenes is truly amazing.
And you had Horace Grant and Bill Cartwright talking to Sam Smith all the way before and then after their first chip which caused a lot of friction.
Bottom line is they don’t win without scottie and the last dance seemed like it just praised Jordan.
@@timothyhergert4199 Agreed and played up his worst moments.
@@spunterage Grant tried to say that was all a lie and he wasn’t the one doing that. You believe him???
Do me a favor and read the intro to Scottie's book; just take ten minutes from your life instead of the koolaid of the Last Dance - which MJ approved the day Lebron won the '16 Finals, had final cut on and was the only member of the Bulls to be paid for it
Let's be real.
1) Jordan's father passed and that was his best friend. Cmon now!
2) The documentary actually gave Scottie a lot of respect. I know I have for me. Plus felt bad he was stuck in that contract. At this point, it just sounds like he's both jealous and insecure. Blessings to him though.
Hard to say mj was his best friend when Scottie didn't even give condolences to mj when his father was murdered.
gave a respect and next moment it's changes narrative negatively towards Scottie calling selfish and etc.
@Maurice Ray BECAUSE HE HAD BACK PROBLEMS .>🎤
BS....MJ is a awful person.
@Maurice Ray and Pippen was still overpaid. He wasn’t a superstar and he quit a playoff game
I wish Chuck and MJ got back together. They were golden together.
I think the whole thing is not just about Pippen trying to sell a book, it's more like Scottie once again let his emotion got the better of him, just like what he did when Phil Jackson let Kukoc taking that last shot against Knicks.
Scottie letting his spilled milk control his life; no one thought badly of him in The Last Dance, even today people just letting him slide with what he says, but he's just making himself miserable
I don't blame Scottie he's 100% Right mj was not there.....Didn't have anything to do with him.....Should not have dropped it in the last dance!!!
@@dannymorgan1052 even without the Last Dance documentary, people who were alive watched it happen knew it happened. There was nothing that was shown in that series that wasn't already known at the time, including Jordan's own lowlights.
@@hinika that fine I watched it too!!!
But Jordan didn't Have to throw him under the Bus......20 years later.....Sorry
Totally agree
Michael Jordan and Scottie pippen had a working on the court relationship that was successful but nothing more than that. Happens everyday folks, even in your own lives. Everyone can't be friends and don't need to be friends folks. Happens every day.
This is facts bro
You don't play golf and hang out with someone 20 years after you worked together unless you actually like that person. The Last Dance pissed off Scotty. He threw a bunch of shade at Jordan in his book. Now they aren't friends anymore. That is way different than a situation when they were just coworkers and nothing more.
true, but respect should always be had, Scotty done messed that up
The thing is they were never close to begins with. Not to mention many folks out here have fake friendships. They can hang out but deep down truly don't like one another. It happens all the time. Michael and Scottie aren't the first because everyone goes through something similar and they certainly won't be the last. Nobody says you need to be friends. It's not a requirement. They had a working relationship which was successful and that was it. End of story
Pippen mentioned in his book that Jordan bought him some golf clubs when he was a rookie which was probably a invite to be in his inner circle. Pippen didn't play golf at the time so he basically refused the offer. Jordan probably kept a work relationship with Pippen after that. Probably was a great decision because Pippen has shown how petty he can be sometimes throughout the years.
Scottie is a weirdo, dude Mj literally said their is no MJ or 6 rings without Scottie, no one was dissing him. The stuff about his contract, and not going back in the game happened, so they included it in the documentary, its not like they were lying or made things up.
Pippen had a book to sell so he went in on MJ to sell some copies.
@@empireJSS don't forget the tequila lol
Bro that's not the way it works. If someone asked you about one of your close friends, you don't need to tell them about the lowest moments in their life, wth are you talking about
@@simpudney8191 ? Lowest moments is the last 3 years. Wifey out there smashing ever thing down in Miami. Son passes away! Divorce! The Doc only showed 98. And gave him a whole episode to show his background and his personality.
@@DLOOT11 you very clearly didn't watch the doc if you think it only showed 1998. Why bother commenting on it if you haven't watched it. Seriously 🤦♂️
As far as Pippen refusing to check back in during the playoff game for the last shot, I can’t defend him on that because they gave him the ball and he had 2 chances and missed to seal the game. Phil decided to go back to a designed play for Kukoc that worked during the regular season. Scottie should’ve respected that. He was wrong there.
he was never the guy....he couldn't finish it
@@nikkisixx29 exactly.
Scottie never the same after that.
@@Jjstier if he stayed in Seattle, he would've been 2-3x all star at most....
@@nikkisixx29 he would be Lonzo Ball without MJ pushing him if he stayed in Seattle!
Wow! Excited for this full interview. The legend, Charles Oakley!!
The saddest part is that almost everyone who watched the Last Dance thought it put everyone in a great light. Rodman, Pippen, Jackson, Kerr, everyone. Just a great team, a great time. I just can't imagine someone watching it and thinking "oh they're picking on Scottie Pippen."
People also forgot what the media said and how they fueled the division between scottie and michael after each episode of the last dance. The shannon Sharpe, Kendrick perkins, jay Williams, and nick Wright. Look at all of those shows on Monday after each episode. It was nothing but mj is wrong he threw his teammates under the bus, he should have help scottie with his contract (which he did). All of the interviews in the last dance were done in 2018, scottie knew what was in them he didn't get upset until he saw what ESPN and fox sports were saying about it. If you noticed everything he has said in his book and interviews promoting the book is exactly what they said on the ESPN and fox sports. Sports media is acting like they didn't create this beef
The media was the ones saying the documentary was picking on scottie! In particular the lbj fanboys in the media like shannon Sharpe and Kendrick perkins, nick wrong jay Williams. All of them were saying mj made mj made scottie look bad. Every thing scottie is saying now is what they said on TV. Even Jaylen rose pushed that narrative and he is not an lbj fanboy. The fact that now today these same talking media heads are shocked and wondering what happened between the two? Am I the only one who remember what they said back in 2020?
This guy Simmons proves my point when he said mj quit on his team. When he retired because of the death of his father. It is the media's fault
Totally agree. I never thought bad of Scottie because of it. It didn’t make him look worse it just showed some mistakes he made and that he even tried to redeem himself.
@@sonnywoods6846
Didn’t Scottie have contract representative, advisors, or manager to negotiate for him, or maybe SP didn’t take advice of others? Just wondering....
As someone who is from chicago this hurts so much to see.
Lol little girl
Ur from Chicago u got way way bigger issues
Real bad 😢
Do you want to cry like a little baby ? 🥲
He turned on the man that helped him reach superstar status. Jordan even gave him the upmost compliment that he never gave anyone. He said there would be no Jordan without Pippen.
I don't know how more clear he could be about that. Jordan was very respectful and praiseful of Pippen.
That not a compliment man. It a definitive claim to a sidekick.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 And Pippen wasn't a sidekick?
“He likes to play golf, fish, and smoke cigars. When you get old, there’s only so much you can do.” - Realest thing I ever heard.
Then you need to expose yourself more if that impressed you.
😂👍🏽
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It's not even that...... Who ended that Documentary thinking... "I see Pip worse now"
I would have never thought Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen would be in odds with each other.
it was weird for me, the scottie stuff. the last dance was based on that one year and scottie held out for a large part of that year. so of course you wont be shown as much over the course of the documentary.
If Scott’s dad was murdered no one would hold against him getting away from the game for a couple seasons…
You gotta remember Scotties son died and his ex wife turned out to be for the streets. He probably been going trough it and ain’t thinking right who knows.
I don’t recall MJ saying he was taking “time off”. It was reported that MJ retired for good.
@@frankiebutler2894 Because they ain't gonna let you take two years off to grieve and find yourself. And MJ probably didn't think he'd ever want to play again. But time changes things.
Plenty people told Scottie not to do it. He screwed himself.
Another MJ's groupie. I would beat MJ and his four eyed son down if I was Scottie.
I think Scottie got pissed when MJ said he delayed having surgery because they wouldn't pay him. But when MJ was retired he was wearing his shoes and hoping he came back.
Yes, I can understand why Scotty did that. But Michael was right too. Scotty could have had that done sooner. Especially when he knew it would have to be done.
The difference between Jordan leaving and Scottie quitting on the team was that Jordan left after the season ended whereas Scottie quit on the team DURING THE GAME when the team needed him most. Jordan wanted to pursue other ventures.. nothing wrong with that.
Actually Jordan didn't wanted to quit, he was forced to do so.
They needed Pippen to inbound a ball?
They won the game, no one cares honestly; Scottie making a big deal out of nothing
@@Philly2tall lol 😂
@@JohnnytNatural But lost the series
Love ❤️ Charles O, as you get older your circle gets smaller and it’s only so much you can do, so true.
Charles Oakley has a cooking show?! I'm in.
Oh Man!
So sad two of my fave ball player are not in good terms like forever..
I hope one of them able to humble themselves and save the relationship rather than winning the argument..
Nice Show.
Hi there Sir Charles Oakley 💪👊
MJ left game 1st time after his FATHER was MURDERED he didnt abandon the bulls
Plus Scottie begged him to come back point at the Jordan symbol during a game when cameras was on him was that staged
Why did Jordan leave the 2nd time? When you realize the real reason you're eyes will finally open.
@@seanjohnson1858 wth are you talking about
@@GODislove99999 Jordan only retired the second time because Pippen wasn't coming back. Him saying there wasn't anything left for him to do was a lie. He knew he couldn't win without Scottie, so he tucked his tail between his legs like a coward and retired.
@@seanjohnson1858 im pretty sure the bulls could still acquire scottie, its just MJ wanted phil and that is something that the bulls can't give to MJ because phil and krause have some issue. thats the real reaon why jordan decided to retire,.
For Pip, as great as he was, to be called the most underrated of his generation jus shows you how big a shadow MJ cast over the Bulls and the entire NBA for that matter.
Pippen was way overrated
Nah, he was neither. A perennial all star with tons of respect from his peers, but could never be a number 1 on a championship team. I don't think he's top 50 all time tho.
JORDAN WAS A CHUCKER AND SELFISH. SCOTTIE JUST SPEAKING HIS TRUTH
@@laz0rama your insane
If it isn't 80s Celtics, BS is just that, BS. Pip had the ball in his hand the prior sequence and bricked a 3 off the side of the backboard. Here's a statement nobody has ever heard: "Remember that clutch shot Scottie made?"
Bill didn't say they should have given him the ball, he just said Scottie was expecting to be given that responsibility once Michael left. At least that's how I understood what Bill said.
I remember that dunk on the entire Knicks team 😂 😂 😂
He made some clutch shots, but not the biggest clutch shots, and creating his own shot (and scoring) in fourth quarters was his biggest weakness.
Playoff clincher against the Jazz in 2000 playoffs as a Blazer to win and go against the Lakers
Why doesn't Scottie just put out his own docuseries...🤔🤷🏽♂️
The last dance was supposed to be about the 1998 run of the bulls, which was mostly Jordan carrying the bulls without scottie for most of the season.
Pip, Rodman and even Kerr, had their episodes but only Pippen think its all about MJ
That’s the whole crux for Pippen’s anger. None of that stuff, especially the refusal to go back in the game, had NO business in The Last Dance. Yet, Jordan 🥜 swingers won’t acknowledge that part and it was foul on MJ to have it in there in the first place.
I think “Scottie “ is hurt from the public humiliation with his personal life too ..that doesn’t make one turn the other cheek…
Pippen still made more money career-wise in basketball salary than Jordan... dude still got his money but he didn’t do much after MJ retires..
MJ didnt leave the team. He retired for good!
Just because he came back, doesn't mean that was his plan.
Scottie and Jordan are still the best duo basketball ever seen
Hell no
@@Remy4722 6 rings together, how is that ‘Hell no’?
@@GoGetYourShinebox cuz Jordan is elite pippen ain’t, they dominated the 90s but 6/6 ain’t happening in the 80s or 2000s
@@Remy4722 That’s purely a hypothetical argument lol what happened is they won 6 rings together. Which other duo has done that? Both MJ & Pip hit their primes in the 90s, and they 3peated twice
@@GoGetYourShinebox comparing eras is all hypothetical, everyone played dif comp Kobe shaq magic Kareem Steph Kd mike and Scottie, 1 of these people don’t belong
Pippen did get the ball at the end in that Knicks game and he let the shot clock run down to where he either rushed a bad shot or it didn’t get it off. I don’t remember that part of it but I remember that he struggled dribbling the ball past his defender and was angry afterwards at a teammate who didn’t set a screen. It was the exact same scenario when Jordan had the ball for the final shot against Utah in game 6 of the 1998 finals. Where after he got past mid court he stopped and dribbled for a few seconds before making his move to take the game winning shot. Everyone on the Bulls cleared out and let Jordan go 1 on 1 with Russell. Scottie never got by his defender and blamed his teammates. A basket would of put the game away but after the shot clock expired the ball went to the Knicks and Patrick Ewing hit an amazing shot to tie the game with only 1.3 or 1.8 seconds remaining, can’t remember the exact time left but it left time for basically only a catch and shoot type scenario or a shot on Ehlo play where they can only take 1 dribble before shooting. Jordan actually took 2 dribbles but the play was designed to take only 1 dribble. Whether it’s 1 or 2 the Bulls didn’t have a player skilled enough to do that so Phil Jackson went with a play that worked in the regular season where Kukoc had a catch and shoot at the buzzer to win the game. Kukoc had successfully executed that play more than once in the regular season whether it was a game winner or at the end of a quarter. Also Scottie actually had not 1 but 2 chances at the end and didn’t make a shot either time. So he can gripe all he wants but even though he played great that season and did a tremendous job taking over as leader of the team. Probably did a better job at getting his teammates involved than Jordan did but he couldn’t close out games like Jordan could and was given 2 chances by Jackson but after he failed and the Bulls facing a potential 3-0 deficit Phil Jackson did HIS JOB and put the team in the best position to win. What Scottie can’t apparently get through his head is that Kukoc made the shot so Pippen has absolutely no argument what so ever especially when you consider he was given 2 chances to close out the game and failed both times.
Just because you played together doesn't mean you're friends. Jealousy is something else. Everybody ain't happy for you.
Nobody took advantage of Scottie pippen's bad contract in fact they told him not to sign it because it was a bad contract!
Jordan even said publicly he should get what he's getting. ma9QIVJm1vBB1SjwGLEAAYASAAEgI3ePD_BwE
People fail to realize mj was the most underpaid player before his comeback from retirement. Even as the best player in the world mj didn't complain about his contract. Mj signed his 8 year 25 mil contest back in 88. He was clearly the best in the world by 89.
This is not Michael Jordan fault Scottie need to take up his issues with the people who made the documentary plus Jordan is Jordan there is nothing you can do about that .
The reason Jordan left for 20 months was his father was murdered! It didn’t help that the press was insane. I think most people in jordan’s shoes would have done the same.
Yeah, his dad got murdered, but it's not like Jordan took 20 months off to get his mind right. He switched to baseball and stayed a public figure anyway.
@Thomas he wasn’t a public figure at all after his Dads murder. Ppl came down to see him play ball but he wasn’t doing any public appearances like that. He did show up to support Pippen’s fundraiser game that was held in Chicago.
@@TheSoulstar7 Of course he stayed a public figure. If you start playing another professional sport, then you automatically are a public figure. He was still getting interviewed a lot as an athlete. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend like he suddenly retired for his mental health. He wanted to play baseball, because that was his dad's dream
@@X5J2UY The level of public attention as a AA baseball player was not close to the level of a superstar megastar basketball player. I read all the books concerning this and he did do it partly as a coping mechanism to deal with his Dad's murder. A father being murdered is different than dying from old age. You are right in that he wanted to achieve a childhood dream that his dad had for him. The crowds at the baseball park waned when he played for the Scottsdale Scorpions in the Arizona fall league. He didn't have 100 reporters waiting for him at the ball parks.
@@X5J2UY What you just said about playing because it was his dad's dream in itself was a tribute to his father and his own mental health / coping mechanism.
Pippen can’t blame Jordan the mistakes he made
Jordan retired the first time because of the overwhelming situation of his father’s murder. I would think that would be quite traumatic.
Oakley is Jordan’s best friend, so believe what’s he’s saying.
Love Big Oak!!! Always Been Real
I read the book and its not bad at all. The media probably didn’t read it either🙄
Peppa needs to let go of the bitterness. Life is going to suck if you're going to compare yourself to the greatest basketball player of all time, his accomplishments, his money, his life. You didn't like your contract? Why did you sign it? You wanted to get paid for that documentary? Then why did you participate?
Look in the mirror and realize that you're mad over Bad Business decisions that YOU made.
All I know is Oak and Ant Mason was 2 of the most frightening guys when you had to drive thru that paint
In the last dance. Jordan said there would be No Jordan without Pippen. He gave him credit.
I often wonder if Scottie losing his son has anything to do with some of this....Scottie could feel lost right now and hes lashing out....
Pippen needs therapy. I really like him as a player. But, I can't believe he did this. What a dummy!
Nothing is ever bringing down Michael Jordan
He's a god and a king and will live till 100 smoking cigars with a $40 billion net worth
Something don't sit right with me knowing Mike and Scottie aren't talking. We gotta fix this.
They did NOT take advantage of Scottie...he was a grown ass man who made an adult decision to sign the con tract for that amount of money.
What is Bill on about? How can you frame it as 'MJ left the team for 20 months'?
The reality is he retired and then came back, which we know damn well Pippen even wanted.
They talked about it. In Pippen's eyes, he was getting criticized for not being the "team guy." Meanwhile, there's MJ who everyone loved leaving the Bulls for those 20 months and he's never criticized for abandoning the team.
Bill wrote in his book that MJ leaving could have been a forced suspension by David Stern because of his gambling problems.
@@jasonl7937 that's been a rumor/lore since 1995.
@@empireJSS i agree and I only said it because Bill wrote it in his “Book of Basketball” book. I don’t believe it but Bill may which is why he said MJ left for 20 months.
@@empireJSS maybe because a retirement can’t be viewed as abandonment. Especially given the actual circumstances around his life at the time
Yeah ... I'm bummed about that too.
Scottie clearly said he was watching it with his kids thinking this was a celebration of the team and to see Jordan bringing up him refusing to go in the game and prolonging surgery and the contract was wrong and it was. Because the doc was for the new generation and most didn't know Scottie did that they just knew him for six rings and ESPN. It's been confirmed Michael agreed he shouldn't have allowed that in their and should have been edited out. Scottie took it as Michael trying to tarnish his legacy to the new generation and while building his up more as the ultimate winner and competitor.
Finally someone who sees it from an unbiased view
Facts!!!!!
Thissssss 🤌🏽.
@tronwilliams8781 But he was interviewed on all those situations, so he must know what was being aired. The only people I didn't like after finishing the documentary were the owners and GM. I loved seeing all the flaws and imperfections of everyone in the team including Mike. Scottie doubling down and saying he still would sit out the final shot made the situation bad, not the situation itself.
Jordan got raked across the coals waaay more than Pip did in The Last Dance.
Well I think the book, reading it, thus far was focused more on Mr Pippens journey and life and Team in the NBA as it is on Mr Jordan so I think the right hand and the left hand don't always agree but both are important to getting the job done so lets understand they both had to be different to be the same on the court of success.
Why are you calling them Mr? Are they your teachers or something?
When your family is in dire economic straits you'll sign a contract NOW to help them, even if it's not the best.
Few take this into consideration when criticizing Scottie's contract situation, he had 2 wheelchair bound family members.
The only reason people criticize him signing the contract is because he is complaining today and blaming others for what he did. If he didn't complain then most people would say it was honorable for scottie to sign that contract for his family. He crying and blaming other people
Yeah he needed the security that contract providing in the short-term, even though long-term it wasn't the best idea. But had he gotten a catastrophic injury the next year, it would have paid off. Though Pippen ended up being severely underpaid for several seasons, he might some nice money in the latter years of his career.
Gucci Flip Flops line is about Larsa Pippen 😂
Scottie was never underrated or under appreciated to me. He was/is one of the greatest.
I love Oakley, growing up as a Knicks fan. Ewing was technically my favorite and I still love the guy, I love that whole '90s era, but I have to say looking back now, Charles Oakley and John Starks are probably my favorite Knicks in hindsight now, with you and being third
Oakley kind of hesitated about being one of the guys in Michael Circle
Charles oakley sums up reality of situation with precision.
Pippen and Jordan needed each other to win 6 Finals
Feeling left out
is the worst feeling in the world 🌎
This happens with friends who are really not friends...😮
One year later and Oakley is spot on
It’s deeper then we know.
Oakley ALWAYS keeps it real. I think Scottie and MJ will reconcile down the road. It will end up being a 30 for 30 aboit how the greatest 1,2 combo in NBA history fell apart.
I know this comment is 1year old but nope. Pippen said how he purposefully didn’t give Jordan any condolences when his father passed away and Jordan doesn’t play when it comes to his father. It’s done. Barkley didn’t say anywhere near as bad as Pippen did and till this day Jordan and Barkley haven’t spoken.
Idk what upset scottie from the docu, but from my viewing, it portrayed him as the second best player in the league that they couldn’t win without, that seems pretty good?
I wonder if people believe Jordan would have six rings with Scottie?
Jordan fans are a cult at this point, maybe even worse then Trumpers.
As a Bulls and White Sox fan, I've had my issues with Reinsdorf in the past, but there's a misperception that he's cheap, and he really isn't. He'll spend. He just doesn't overstep his bounds and he lets his GM's do the job he hired them to do. He advised Scottie to try to work out a better deal for himself.
yea, and people always blame anyone except pippen
he spends for the sox not the bulls
i will give up all 6 bulls championships for 1 white sox championship - jerry reinsdorf
@@TheBulls56 Ben Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver, Lonzo/DeMar/Carushow, Toni Kukoc, etc.
@@GrimeBot-io7ho the last I checked how of ten does he go over the cap lol
Charles Oakley sure has a lot to say about every NBA legend he could never beat and wishes he was. Just go away Charles....FOREVER
3:04 -- MJ was dealing with the death of his father, needed a break from basketball and wanted to play baseball in honor of his father. He didn't leave the team in the middle of a season or wouldn't go back in a game.
🙏
Everything has its time. Everything from the present up to the future athletes will have their moment and soon after will also be forgotten. Its the truth. Sad but really, Its just the way it is.
there was absolutely no reason to add the segment about scottie being pissed about not getting the last shot, other than to embarass him.
PIPPEN….man lost his son lost his mind…he has a DOCUMENTED HISTORY of being flaky. The Pistons headache game. The Kukoc shot. His sit out season during the last dance. He’s a FLAKE. Talented. But without JORDAN he’s Stacey Augmon. And that’s not a slight. Jordan GAVE HIM HIS PROPS. It’s PURE JEALOUSY
I love Charles Oakley. the dude always keeps it real. cheers. great interview Bill.
Scottie Pippen was so underrated
Oak said, I'm still one of them. Don't know what else to tell ya! 😁🤷
People also forgot what the media said and how they fueled the division between Scottie and Michael after each episode of the last dance. Shannon Sharpe, Kendrick Perkins, jay Williams, and nick Wright were all saying MJ was wrong for what he did to Scottie. Look at all of those shows on Monday after each episode of the Last Dance. It was nothing but mj is wrong he threw his teammates under the bus, he should have helped Scottie with his contract (which he did). All of the interviews in the last dance were done in 2018, Scottie knew what was in them he didn't get upset until he saw what ESPN and fox sports were saying about it. If you noticed everything he has said in his book and interviews promoting the book is exactly what they said on the ESPN and fox sports. Sports media is acting like they didn't create this beef. The majority of the people that were talking crap were the LBJ fanboys in the media
This clown bill Simmons just proved my point with his little slick remark about mj quiting! He retired because his father was MURDERED in a brutal way they found him in a swamp GTFOH! the media needs to take responsibility they broke up their friendship
Tellum bruh! Bill Simmons is a 🤡! Straight facts bro!
They've been doing that for years on hopes of discrediting mj and bringing lbj up. Scottie bought into it when they kept saying he was lbj before lbj which is ludicrous.
@@Ali-fo4uv mj fans can be toxic also lol also bill Simmons isn’t a bron fan
@@sulwhale3171 MJ fans don't have to lie on lebron unlike his fans in the media like Shannon Sharpe. There was an LBJ Fan in this comment lying on MJ and boosting scottie. They say Scottie Guarded Magic in 91 which is a lie, the MJ was only a Scorer which is a lie. They claim MJ couldn't carry the bulls past the first round without scottie. Scottie Stats in the 97-88 season proves that is a lie.
@@sonnywoods6846 Pippen guarded Magic much better than Jordan and it's not close, even Magic himself said that he had problems when Scottie guarded him, Jordan ? Didn't say anything about his defense, Yikes ! 😬😬😬
Oakley has always been 💯
Scottie mentioned Jordan being condescending and here is an example of what he means by that. Jordan left, and Scottie led the team to Game 7 against the eventual East Champion Knicks, in the semi's, while leading the team in every major statistical category. That feat could have been portrayed by Jordan as, "Scottie was so great that he took the Knicks to 7 without me and they were the East Champs that year'. Instead, Jordan portrayed it as, "I could see that they needed me". For all of the praise that Jordan gives Pippen, if you pay close attention, the vast majority of it is to reinforce Jordan himself and his own greatness. For example, "There would be no Jordan without Pippen" "I couldn't have done this without Scottie". It's rarely ever with a true focus on Pippen the individual, without inserting himself (Jordan) into it.
The 94 Bulls had the benefit of being an almost complete championship team without any pressure to win. They got to be the only multiple time champ that was still a hunter. It was a really nice achievement in a year where the East was WIDE OPEN...people forget the Knicks weren't the #1 seed...the Atlanta Hawks were (why they traded Dominique Wilkins for Danny Manning I'll never know). In 1995, reality set in. No Horace Grant, no Cartwright, no Paxson and they were a .500 team before MJ decided to comeback. That's where they were headed for good without MJ. No one was going to Chicago to play with Pippen.
Nailed it
I mean. They did need Jordan. I’m a warriors fan and I’m not going to act like we didn’t need KD. The raptors series showed that
Stop it! Leading them to the Eastern Semis? 1 of the final 8 teams? Big whoop! In the Kukoc game winner, lazy people forget the prior sequence. Scottie dribbled the clock down and launched a brick 3 off the side of the backboard. Ewing came down and tied the game. Then Scottie throws the tantrum, where's the leadership down 0-2? I saw The Last Dance twice, everything was portrayed as it happened.
Pippen could have left the bulls. It wasn't his team anyway. Pippen had the team for 1 year, he could have let people recognize him. But what did he do?
People gloss over the fact that pippen said he INTENTIONALLY did not condone MJ on his father's murder, INTENTIONALLY didn't even acknowledge it, MJ was probably so heart broken that he didnt even notice. But not that Pippen snitched on himself, that relationship cannot exist, like just can't. The feelings behind the action shows how much Pippen hated or envied Jordan.
Sorry Bill, stop with the myth, my man Pippen should have taken the last shoots bc "he was the man on the team" (while MJ wasn`t there). Pippen was never ever the go-to-guy on the Bulls. And in that game, which is talked about in the last dance, he proofed it: he had several posessions designed for him in the last quarter, missed many of them. It was 100% the right decision by Phil Jackson to give Toni the ball for the last shoot. He was clutch all his life, proofed it in europe, proofed that saison on the Bulls several time..
From Scottie's perspective Kukoc was an NBA rookie, albeit a pretty good one, & Scottie had just come off of being a top contributor on 3 consecutive championship seasons for this team; & having an MVP caliber season. Its no secret Jerry Krause was invested in Kukoc & sang high praises a bit too much for MJ & Scotties liking & Kukoc came into the Bulls with the red carpet. Pip felt slighted that in a 1.8 second, tie game you make him TAKE THE BALL OUT. Scottie was a big reason the Bulls were where they were & you give the glory shot to the rookie? If you miss, you get OT, if you make it, you win - it was a no lose situation really. Pip felt he deserved the opportunity to at least be a threat. Kukoc was a sniper, made the shot and the rest is history but there's many perspectives - unfortunately Scottie has gone about things poorly.
@@dmac5108 one year later, your last sentence is even more true than ever. Sad to see Pip right now, hope he will come to his senses some day soon.
A late replay to your Toni-Rookie-Krause comment: i agree 100%. But Pip would have been a even greater player/legend, if he would have had the awarness to let Toni take the shot, knowing, he was the right guy to take it..
@@scottipippen6554 Agreed. Pride aside, Scottie's attitude in moments like those probably haunt him to the present. History confirms, the right man took the shot. Unfortunately, once the lights fade & the athletic gifts diminish, character is what continues one's legacy. Tough to watch.
What is Oakley talking about with the comparison with Magic???
Oakley plugging cooking show immediately, and drunk talking bout magic Johnson, and not only that, everyone knows he’s biased since he’s bffs with MJ
Not advocating what Scottie saying, but I don’t see why people are freaking out, it’s pretty obvious he’s lived in the shadow all this time, and been screwed over, and not gotten his due 🤷♂️
He held it in so long and blew up, pretty simple stuff
Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan.
Oak can be on my team anytime
I am with Jordan: " You can't please everybody!" Golf ( Tranquility) Fishing ( Tranquility) Sipping on some Yak and relaxing smoking a cigar ( Tranquility) And by the way....Did I mention I have money making money! Life is OK and yes if you get in my way I can be a Asshole!
George Koehler
Ahmad Rashad
Charles Oakley
MJ's closest friends.
Don’t forget his old pal Isaiah Thomas.. what great friends they are… buddy buddy
@@TheSands83 Isiah
Steven A Smith 😄
LOVED Big OAK! He's 1 of those in the Top 20 that Didn't but Should've WonBeen on a Championship Team!!
I wonder if something like this will happen with Steph and Klay in the future.
Lol nah bc Klay is more much secured in him self. Not to mention their is no over glorification of Steph or any attention mongering from Steph. Their name is the Splash Bros. Nobody on the Warriors will act like that bc Steph shared success with everyone. Iggy FMVP, Dray Dpoy and is allowed to be the vocal leader/PG. KD finals MVP.
@@coachwane true
@@coachwane It could definitely happen in time. They call them the Splash Bros, but Steph is way higher. And Klay's bad play as of the last couple of years is hurting things, as well as him wanting a big contract. I think Steph has his back, but sticking up for Klay and Dray may keep Steph from winning another ring in Golden State.
Pippen ain't mad at MJ for stuff that MJ did. He's mad because of media stirring shit up. Well, Klay could easily get mad because of the media stirring shit up, and if he gets in his feelings and ego.
@@shorewall fair points
That is so true without scottie mike wouldn't be who he is without scottie
Bill needs to let his guests talk.
MIKE LEFT BC HIS DAD WAS KILLED!!!! Ppl keep saying MJ left for 22 months like his dad wasn’t killed. SMH.
The book praised Jordan mostly and actually defended him a lot I think scotty was aloud to get out his feelings he was overlooked underpaid and used for a longtime he says some of the things he feels and people freak out because it was about mj if there is anyone who is aloud to have a opinion about mj its scotty
Good.