These Advanced IR Missiles Are Coming to War Thunder
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Some advanced IR missiles have been spotted in the files so I cover which ones those are and what other missiles will likely come in the future.
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I sure want to dodge a Fox-2, so it can turn 360º and hit me regardless.
Nah trying to dodge a fox 2 by preflaring just for it to datalink lock you is crazy
Bacically yes, because they will follow you until the runt out of energy
Fun fact about the R-73M, the AAM-3 we have in game should actually have very similar performance to it, even without the thrust vectoring it has similar offboresight capabilities and range.
Edit: Also on the aam-5B, the reason the seeker has better flare resistence is due to it having a dual band IIR seeker, which is as far as i know the only IR missile currently to exist that has one, so its flare resistence wouldnt just be a bit higher, it should in theory be almost completely unflareable, the only way to do so with any hope of success would be to have your engine off for prolong periods of time, however even then, the missile can actually be guided in via datalink, sure its not as accurate, but it is possible (japan's native datalink is significantly better then the US datalink 15)
Yeah I at least new about the range of the AAM-3, mostly due to its low drag and it has pretty good energy retention
@@Will_Is_Awesome honestly its energy retention in turns should be a fair bit lower then it is in game, due to it pulling more AoA in turns then is modeled in game, so it really only competes in either range or offboresight, not both at the same time
@@user-Xx0xxxxxrange and the capability to maneuver is mostly separately designed by Gaijin in game and while they do have to do a lot with the how much range a missile can pull, it still depends on the scenario the missile is launched.
Overall though the booster range and thrust are also designed separately and also have to do with the maximum range and effects how much range the missile will have depending on the scenario it is launched. There are a lot of parameters that have to do with the modeling of these missiles but AoA doesn’t follow dictate the range in which these missiles will have.
@@user-Xx0xxxxxalso in mention to the R-73M to the AAM-3 the key difference with the thrust vectoring is that it can pull its maneuverability almost instantaneously off the rail vs having to accumulate wing/fin AoA from gaining speed.
In stark contrast you have the R-73/M simply turning its motor nozzles in the direction it’s wishing to maneuver to, it don’t need fin authority and speed to maneuver more because it’s simply being thrusted in its proper vector.
The AAM-3 can’t adjust its nozzle so in order to achieve the desired maneuverability compared to the R-73, it needs to achieve a certain speed and then have it’s fin AoA at maximum plane, this takes distance and while it “can” possibly have similar maneuverability due to speculation, there is just such a big difference in capability in having thrust vectoring or not.
@@KozenX I mean yeah it won't pull as hard off the rail, but the AAM-3 is actually a bit special compared to basically any missile that came before it, so when i said it has high AOA, i mean like, really high, like it turns the entire missile to face the direction it wants to turn, instead of applying a force to change it's direction and having it face in the direction of travel, this means it honestly performs closer to a thrust vectoring missile then not, outside of the like sub 150 meter range, but like... most missiles IRL have an arming distance longer then that so that doesn't matter, but gaijin doesn't really care about arming distance except when they do
Dont forget the iris-t has been touted to shoot down other a2a missiles, and is one of the few missiles to use a 128x4 fpa scanned by 60 degrees, giving it virtually unparalleled resistance against lasers and spectral flares, since the seeker blocks out the interference from flare blinding!
there are tests of backward firing r73 to intercept other air to air missiles. i dont think irist is the only one with that capability.
@@hemendraravi4787aim-9x's can also be fired backwards
@@oofdotcom by backwards i meant an r73 that has a backward facing rail , its placed in the aircraft looking backwards not straight like they are , like how a tail gunner is i a bomber the missile is backward
@@oofdotcom it can but not they way you think, it is pure american marketing, literally every modern missile can turn back after firing but missiles need a lot of time and space for that, so successful backwards shots are very unpractical and unreliable
I'm really curious about when they'll add these kind of missiles, at this point top tier is gonna play out a lot more like DCS than current War Thunder Top tier and I think that's a good thing.
Yeah I still think the current top tier will exist, likely in a compressed state though. But in a few years I think we will see something quite different from what we have now.
Not with 16v16 and a single nation single handlely dominating the rest
Datalink Locking is crazy💀💀💀
Some of your info was slightly off. The MICA IR has a reduced from the MICA EM because of the thermal imager having a curved nose instead of the EM's cone which results in higher drag and a range of 60km rather than 80. The IRIS-T has G pull estimates everywhere but the only reliable number is about 60G. As for the 9X it doesnt have lofting in its software but can be manually lofted by the pilot using the LOAL on the blk2.
From what I’ve been able to find the 9X Block 2 had a software upgrade in 2017 that gave it lofting. Didn’t know about the IRIS-T but the only sources I found were saying 100G, but we’ll never really know I guess
Most sources don’t really throw out the right information, most is speculation or rough estimates from the brochures the manufacturers have released.
For the most part the manufacturers give out information of the capabilities and some specifics like 360 degree attack/launch capabilities and maximum range. For MICAs the range is 60-80km due to altitude, the IRs and EMs having different cones doesn’t really change much in range due to drag but frontal drag coefficient but this doesn’t take away much and only comes into larger effect until the missiles in maneuvering heavily.
As for the IRIS-Ts overload limit, there is no reliable number, there’s only ever been articles in mention of IRIS-Ts full specifications but these are just speculation, even most articles don’t mention the specific G limitations of the missile and just mention that it has 360 degree of launch capability.
I figured that the figure of 100g was a way too high. What changed in engineering for missiles that for around 50 years had a max g pull of around 40-50g to suddenly get double that ? Sounds like a lot of marketing fluff to me...
I have seen some of your videos in the past but with this video, you sir, have earned yourself a sub. This was some quality content with backeble information and I love that you gave us a disclaimer when talking about the details of the PL-10
Really great informative video, if I’m to be honest I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video like this!
I just want python 4s before we get aim 9x
Another quality wt CC, I look forward to your channel growth, sucks to be me cause I main china with Israel and Sweden as a secondary.
what do you mean suck ?
@@ferrous3262 no real info on modern Chinese weaponry, making it hard to get my favorite nations weapons realistic.
@@theycallmetray396 guess so even tho it was dev server pl12 had the worst fox performance
@@ferrous3262 that’s not very modern, also it wasn’t the worst, but it did have a problem with lofting to much, hence the fact it’s a dev server, jaek and this guy went over the performance of the missiles if you wanna see the rankings
About the python-4, the reason it has code is cause during the sons of Attila test server it was implemented (granted only in user missions) along side the 9m and r73 buff
700th sub. I fear to see the day of Aim9X level of missiles in the game.
Thank you! It sure will be an interesting day when it’s announced
I think gajin is gonna have to make the irccm of these missles a bit worse or otherwise top tier is unplayable
Probably, but also by the time most of these missiles are added I feel like top tier might play differently due to other factors, guess we’ll have to wait and see
@@Will_Is_Awesome Yeah, i hope they make the teams like 8v8 or smth
Problem is you can't realistically do that, see, as Will said, those missiles use infrared imaging sensors, pretty much like modern anti tank fire and forget missiles they lock on to the shape of the target, not the strongest heat signature, therefore flares are out of the question when it comes to countermeasures, modern day approach consist of either jamming the wez (weapon engagement zone aka being too far or too close to your opponent) or beat the missile cinematically.
TL:DR your countermeasure in future top tier matches should be to fly good and fire first :/
@@Certified_MoaiGamingthe thing is there is also IR jamming equipment and the new found capabilities of Fox-3s, if Gaijin makes these missiles all essentially strong where you don’t wish to get close to the enemy’s side or position badly then that isn’t a bad thing.
Positioning will be more important and Fox-3s can still have a place if multipathing isn’t implemented into their parameters and you will definitely not wish to get hit by those then. Overall keeping distance and taking map authority when possible may slowly become the main objective of the match.
No you will just have to change how you play. No more lame furballs basically
3:40 says f/a 18 super hornet but proceeds to show us a picture of the legacy hornet
Have you turned on "empty wepon containers automatic jettison"?
Acording to the site the IRIS-T is able to overload up to 60G
I was also confused why he said 100G
Python 4 is aim9m and r73 gen its shouldve been added with the barak
Sure wish the MIg29A (for Sov) gets R73s like it was supposed to, I guess it can go up to 12.3 for it but I rlly would rather have the A version with better missiles than a slower version with them...
bro said these missiles are coming in a few years when we've gone from the 60s to 2013 in a little over a year and we already have the planes carrying said missiles lmao
R73M against 9x is crazy
(As in r73 will get annihilated)
We need atleast the R74
i'm staying at 10.0-11.3,,,, no way xDD
I think the iris-t and aim9x will be the Top dogs and it’ll be nice to have different nations use their own individual weapons
9X would hands down be the worst IR missile in game
the biggest issue is the lack of scramblers that are on pretty much ALL of these jets in question (china not so much cause they're really shit at actually having working stuff) which was made to scramble and jam missiles, thermal and radar.
ASRAAM could also be fired from Tornado F3 and Tornado GR4
The Spanish f18 carries irist
the tornado ecr can carry irist aswell
And M-346 master
its not in wt tho, and i dont see anything in adding the m346@@FifingFossil
Bro we are very very very very far from seeing missiles made in the 2000’s…. we’re only just barley getting into 1980’s jets
I think the AIM9X will be added in December of this year.
nah lol wayy too early for those , i have a feeling that gaijin will take a break from top tier air ,after adding 90s a2a missiles. they will probably move on to anti radiation missiles or anti shipmissiles.
@@hemendraravi4787 eeeh, I’m betting on it with a friend of mine, we each have 50 USD on it. Let’s see what happens
for me they have to make the magic2 50g
They need to model BTT (bank-to-turn) for missiles first. Right now all missiles are medelled in single plane maneuvering which prevents certain missiles from reaching their max dual plane maneuvering limits. The main ones that suffer from this are the Magic 2s and AAM-3s
@@PerciusLive r73 should be 60Gs aswell. but with the way how they are modelled in game they barely pull any Gs due to thrust vectoring so idk how it will benefit it , i just hope they atleast fix the r73 from roleplaying as a beyblade.
nonononono NONONO WAITWAITWAITWAITWAIT
ithought the 9x has a max g of 80g?
From everything I’ve been able to find it’s 60G but that could be wrong of course though again I didn’t find a source saying anything other than 60
@@Will_Is_Awesome I‘ve heard it could be anything from 60-80 or even more. But im pretty sure i heard that it can pull 80gs. I know that it has a much better turnrate than the r73 but if its 60 or 80gs…
it has a max overload of : Yes
If the us government say 60g its most likely way above it
I hope the IRIS-T gets added soon, mostly to get some new SPAA.
Putting it on SPAA would be fine, but for air-to-air combat there’s no way it’s coming for at least a year
@@downwindfish1dont think these loop-around missiles should be added to any aircraft tbh. They should remove that capability on any aircraft if it is added
@@ligma-balls9252 I think they could find a way to add them and have it not be ass but it'd be really boring for them to go "Yeah we're adding these super modern undodgeable missiles" and then they're just glorified AIM-9M's. But I'm trying to think of ways they could add them at their full capacity and have it be fun but I really can't.
@@ligma-balls9252 But i think that with more advanced active radar missiles that IR missiles will generally fall out of favor and be reserved just for dogfights, where since you're literally within half a kilometer of your enemy the missile doesn't have time to pull in no matter how maneuverable
Can we get aim 95 for balence
for balance ? it wont even be good , why would you want a missile with worse or same flare resistance of aim9L at 12.7 ? by adding a missile that was only tested , gaijin will be forced to add missiles that were tested by the russian (r27ea/ep/s172 etc)
If Aim-9X drops Russia will just get R-73M and R-74/74M
not a problem
we need aim9x now
No we don't its still to early for them yet the aim 9m is just fine
100% aids missles yeee 😅 w vid
I think FOX3 missiless will be good and fun unless gaijin made Air RB from 10+vs10+ players to maybe 2v2 or 3v3.
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Should add the AIM-260 JATM and Peregrine Missile if they dont want to add the raptor with these missiles
fun fact the python 4 can loop around to hit a target if it misses.