In this video, I plink around with the 21st Tec Bellator. A multi-caliber bolt action precision rifle that fits into a relatively small box. Well, if you consider it fits the rifle, optic, suppressor, and a different caliber conversion kit. My example is chambered in both .308 Winchester and .338 Lapua Magnum. What are y'all's thoughts on it?
I’d be interested to see you do a 3 round grouping drill several times, pulling the barrel, hand guard, and all off and reassembling each time, to see what kind of impact shift occurs each time.
@@Ac3Mustang read this 3 times have no idea what you mean. Its headspaced like an AR15, except theres no barrel nut. Just cross bolts, the barrel twist, rifling is the same due to bolt face lock up. Even the smallest of headspace issues will cause a serious blow out if the barrel walks, had seen a detachable barrel system loosen up with a .300 BO sub once. Toasted the bcg, and upper on a subsonic round. Barrel alignment has to be good. There’s 0 room for error there.
try zeroing the 338 LM configuration without the can to see if you can get it to group. the 338 barrel muzzle threading may have a concentricity issue with the can. both Sig Sauer and Barrett designs pay particular attention to how the suppressor QD mount screws down to the barrel with a tapered shoulder to ensure the can aligns perfectly with the barrel each time it is screwed on. I have a Christensen Arms MPR in 6.5CM I could not get to group with any of my .30cal. cans. Bullet impacts went everywhere just like they were doing with your 338LM config. Without the can my 6.5CM MPR it grouped sub-MOA per CA guarantee, but none of my the .30 cal cans would let it group, so there was likely an issue of can to barrel concentricity./alignment. My solution was to overbore the suppressor with my 45 caliber can from my 45-70.and now I'm grouping sub-MOA with an over bore suppressor. Wasted a lot of top shelf 6.5CM ammo figuring all that out.
In theory having a left hand bolt for a right hand dominant shooter sounds great . In fact I enjoy it on my predator hunting rigs that will primarily be used on tripods or the night hunting chairs. That said I built a left hand bolt prs rig and did not enjoy it near as much , especially while laying prone.
Would like to find out what the problem was with the 338 setup, too much money for this rig for it to have problems out the gate! I look forward to the follow up, great content by the way!
We sell them, I own one. Something isn't right with that particular rig. I'm sure Skip is already taking care of it. At Triggercon in September people off the street with no training were routinely hitting a steel silhouette at 700. Ryan Cheney was making 700m head shots on steel with it. We all know Brandon can shoot so it's not an operator error. Looking forward to the follow up video.
Why have I not come across this before I’ve been watching Texas Reving for months now and was so bummed that this cool dude only posted every now and then
That looks like a much better, and more affordable system vs some of the others out there like the Barrett MRAD. It would be interesting to hear what's up with the .338 lapua. It's entirely possible it just needs to be played with more. In general, with the scope mounted to the receiver, I imagine there's always going to be a POI shift when reassembled, and certainly a POI shift between calibers. Still, that's a really neat package. How much does it weigh though?
Very cool I have a nemesis vanquish in.308 love it hopefully it makes it your way. I also had a drd tactical kivaari in .338 lm worst gun on the planet! Stay away some still around but the company shut down glad I got rid of that one!
This just looks like a less quick version of the old DRD Paratus. I'm pretty sure I heard they went out of business. The price is pretty insane considering this version doesn't work as well as the Paratus (which was around the same price point).
Skip Patel designed this. He holds patents on the Paratus, Aptus and MCR (multi-caliber auto loading rifle) that made it to phase II testing in SCAR trials. Also several other rifle/mgs....
See Demolition Ranch’s latest video where they use it to run n gun. The .300 Norma needed a hammer to get out of battery after each shot… for a $5k+ rifle. 😂
I’m wondering, you are used to precision firearms and you are experienced on shooting very accurate with firearms but if you now where to pick up an air rifle would that be very different or would still the same principle apply. Also is learning to shoot on air rifles a good way to get a feel for long range shooting to eventually move on to actually precision rifles??? I am wondering that because I live in Europe so I can’t own firearms. I can however own air rifles so I do shoot them. I have become pretty good at pushing my air rifle right up to its limit of accurate range but I hope to one day be able to move to the US to pursue my passion of long range shooting but with actual rifles. So do you think the experience I build up with an air rifle is valuable experience to shoot real rifles?
I'd say go for it. Your biggest difference would be recoil, both in the way it feels and the quantity. But things like trigger control, stability, breathing, ranging, wind calls, etc. should all be transferable between the two.
@@fishymacaroon6 I do have recoil because I shoot a springer and not a PCP, the problem is that the recoil of a springer feels different for what I’ve heard because the piston is being launched forward the recoil doesn’t go into your shoulder like a real firearm. Again I don’t know how noticeable the difference is because I sadly never shot a real firearm. If my air rifle diesels it’s technically a real firearm because a little explosion forms what can with some air rifles make the pellets go nearly double as fast and if you then hold the rifle in a wrong way it can hurt (don’t ask me how I know lol)
Training and practice is valuable either way and you would quickly overcome the learning curve. Recoil is obviously a big factor, and definitely significant compared to what you’re used to but no recoil is really that bad. rifle shooting would probably be a fantastic transition for you as the person above stated, you already have all of the fundamentals down. I hope you get to come over here and try it out!
Why oh why did they go with a AR trigger? One of the advantages of a bolt gun over a semi auto (which there’s not many) is the ability to have a lighter, shorter, crisper trigger with a much much faster lock time (over twice as fast). It’s still pretty cool looking
Shoot the 338LM setup without the suppressor. Some barrels and suppressors setups won't well with each other due to the harmonics. I have had this happen before, but not as bad as shown in the video.
You have not so good luck with really expensive guns. Hopefully they will fix your lapua kit. Side note: have you got you cheytac m200 back and fixed yet?
Awesome content awesome platform: however I would love to see a gas gun, set up like that! With the easy assembly and caliber conversion especially in an AR type platform
Wildly unrealistic. Doable.. ish.. with a lot of compromises made to get a semi-auto 2.95" and 3.9" action to be cross compatible. It'll be a huge .308 or a slightly too small .338L.
Thank you for this video on an interesting platform. I am also interested to see what is the issue with the 338. Based on the cost for the folding stock, is it really worth the extra 600.00??
Not necessarily-- you'll just have to re-zero for the different caliber. They use drastically different amounts of powder, soit's never going to hold zero from one caliber to the other.
YT bedwetters have in the past taken down guntubers vids for showing gun assembly and assembly modifications. Would not be surprised if they take this one down.
It's cool, but I'm not seeing where 4k out of that 5.6k went.. other than their pockets. :) Pretty cheap looking basic rail and the action looks essentially like an AR10 with a side charging mod. Cut out the gas system and simplify the bolt into one piece; no need for a buffer tube in the rear-- you're essentially done. I'm not joking when I say I don't see where the money is going. I could buy a side charging AR10 and weld the bolt to the carrier and boom.. I'm 90% the same as this rifle with a $500 308 build kit. Not impressed with their price. (granted it wouldn't swap calibers; touché). again, it's cool. But where do they dream up these prices? There's almost no R&D on this; everything they did has already been well established on other rifles. Even the swappable mag well is old tech. Cheers :)
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In this video, I plink around with the 21st Tec Bellator. A multi-caliber bolt action precision rifle that fits into a relatively small box. Well, if you consider it fits the rifle, optic, suppressor, and a different caliber conversion kit. My example is chambered in both .308 Winchester and .338 Lapua Magnum. What are y'all's thoughts on it?
If its extremely accurate, I'm very interested
Thoughts? They are going out of business .
I’d be interested to see you do a 3 round grouping drill several times, pulling the barrel, hand guard, and all off and reassembling each time, to see what kind of impact shift occurs each time.
I wonder how much the barrels twist adds or subtracts from the accuracy depending on where the first twist starts on the receiver
@@Ac3Mustang read this 3 times have no idea what you mean. Its headspaced like an AR15, except theres no barrel nut. Just cross bolts, the barrel twist, rifling is the same due to bolt face lock up. Even the smallest of headspace issues will cause a serious blow out if the barrel walks, had seen a detachable barrel system loosen up with a .300 BO sub once. Toasted the bcg, and upper on a subsonic round. Barrel alignment has to be good. There’s 0 room for error there.
try zeroing the 338 LM configuration without the can to see if you can get it to group. the 338 barrel muzzle threading may have a concentricity issue with the can. both Sig Sauer and Barrett designs pay particular attention to how the suppressor QD mount screws down to the barrel with a tapered shoulder to ensure the can aligns perfectly with the barrel each time it is screwed on. I have a Christensen Arms MPR in 6.5CM I could not get to group with any of my .30cal. cans. Bullet impacts went everywhere just like they were doing with your 338LM config. Without the can my 6.5CM MPR it grouped sub-MOA per CA guarantee, but none of my the .30 cal cans would let it group, so there was likely an issue of can to barrel concentricity./alignment. My solution was to overbore the suppressor with my 45 caliber can from my 45-70.and now I'm grouping sub-MOA with an over bore suppressor. Wasted a lot of top shelf 6.5CM ammo figuring all that out.
In theory having a left hand bolt for a right hand dominant shooter sounds great . In fact I enjoy it on my predator hunting rigs that will primarily be used on tripods or the night hunting chairs.
That said I built a left hand bolt prs rig and did not enjoy it near as much , especially while laying prone.
The inline recoil is a super nice feature
I watch these videos even though I know ill never be spending 5k on a rifle. Lol
you're just going to sit on the tailgate of a badass truck, and not mention it? future pre-runner content?
Would like to find out what the problem was with the 338 setup, too much money for this rig for it to have problems out the gate! I look forward to the follow up, great content by the way!
I still like the Paratus. It works well for me, breaks down pretty small.
It is pronounced LAP-Wah.
FINALLY. A left side pull action with a right side eject. Im buying one.
Interesting, I love the concept and when the bugs get worked out I'd like to get one
Phenomenal video as always. Kinda shitty you couldn't do much with the 338 barrel though. Hope they get that sorted
We sell them, I own one. Something isn't right with that particular rig. I'm sure Skip is already taking care of it. At Triggercon in September people off the street with no training were routinely hitting a steel silhouette at 700. Ryan Cheney was making 700m head shots on steel with it. We all know Brandon can shoot so it's not an operator error. Looking forward to the follow up video.
Tell them to add .300 win mag option
Looks like a neat design. Hope you can figure out what is going on with the 338 setup.
Wow was really excited about this for awhile but accuracy seems lacking. Thank you for an honest review as always
Why have I not come across this before I’ve been watching Texas Reving for months now and was so bummed that this cool dude only posted every now and then
That looks like a much better, and more affordable system vs some of the others out there like the Barrett MRAD. It would be interesting to hear what's up with the .338 lapua. It's entirely possible it just needs to be played with more. In general, with the scope mounted to the receiver, I imagine there's always going to be a POI shift when reassembled, and certainly a POI shift between calibers. Still, that's a really neat package. How much does it weigh though?
Lefty bolt? Let’s fucking go.
At least it has something going for it
💯Wow a beautiful rifle! Thank you for sharing.
Very cool I have a nemesis vanquish in.308 love it hopefully it makes it your way. I also had a drd tactical kivaari in .338 lm worst gun on the planet! Stay away some still around but the company shut down glad I got rid of that one!
This just looks like a less quick version of the old DRD Paratus. I'm pretty sure I heard they went out of business. The price is pretty insane considering this version doesn't work as well as the Paratus (which was around the same price point).
Skip Patel designed this. He holds patents on the Paratus, Aptus and MCR (multi-caliber auto loading rifle) that made it to phase II testing in SCAR trials. Also several other rifle/mgs....
See Demolition Ranch’s latest video where they use it to run n gun. The .300 Norma needed a hammer to get out of battery after each shot… for a $5k+ rifle. 😂
I see alot of similarities between this and the Barrett MRAD
Desert Tech! Best in class
Needs a .300 win mag option, idk how they missed that.
Im sure its because its a different bolt head and mag than the other 4.
I’m wondering, you are used to precision firearms and you are experienced on shooting very accurate with firearms but if you now where to pick up an air rifle would that be very different or would still the same principle apply. Also is learning to shoot on air rifles a good way to get a feel for long range shooting to eventually move on to actually precision rifles???
I am wondering that because I live in Europe so I can’t own firearms. I can however own air rifles so I do shoot them. I have become pretty good at pushing my air rifle right up to its limit of accurate range but I hope to one day be able to move to the US to pursue my passion of long range shooting but with actual rifles.
So do you think the experience I build up with an air rifle is valuable experience to shoot real rifles?
I'd say go for it. Your biggest difference would be recoil, both in the way it feels and the quantity. But things like trigger control, stability, breathing, ranging, wind calls, etc. should all be transferable between the two.
@@fishymacaroon6 I do have recoil because I shoot a springer and not a PCP, the problem is that the recoil of a springer feels different for what I’ve heard because the piston is being launched forward the recoil doesn’t go into your shoulder like a real firearm. Again I don’t know how noticeable the difference is because I sadly never shot a real firearm.
If my air rifle diesels it’s technically a real firearm because a little explosion forms what can with some air rifles make the pellets go nearly double as fast and if you then hold the rifle in a wrong way it can hurt (don’t ask me how I know lol)
Training and practice is valuable either way and you would quickly overcome the learning curve. Recoil is obviously a big factor, and definitely significant compared to what you’re used to but no recoil is really that bad. rifle shooting would probably be a fantastic transition for you as the person above stated, you already have all of the fundamentals down. I hope you get to come over here and try it out!
if you can shoot a piston/spring airgun you will be able to shoot powder burners MUCH more easily
You should use this rifle in your 1,000 yard competition.
I have chassis #32 (mine came in a full rifle case). Waiting on the scope so haven't ranged it yet. The hits at 950 with the .308 are encouraging.
Hmmm. For $5600 I can get this (from a company I've never heard of) or I can have the majority of the cash for an MRAD.
Or Cadex, or accuracy international. Seems like an easy decision lol.
@@jacobgardner3101 no first hand experience with Desert Tech but their SRS is pretty close to this.
@@jacobgardner3101 You're right.. 20" 6.5creed DB10 it is.. for 8 hundo
I'm right-handed, but I like left-hand bolt rifles so I don't have to lose as much sight picture when feeding a new round.
Why oh why did they go with a AR trigger? One of the advantages of a bolt gun over a semi auto (which there’s not many) is the ability to have a lighter, shorter, crisper trigger with a much much faster lock time (over twice as fast). It’s still pretty cool looking
this rifle reminds me of that old arcade game, silent scope
Shoot the 338LM setup without the suppressor. Some barrels and suppressors setups won't well with each other due to the harmonics. I have had this happen before, but not as bad as shown in the video.
Can u make a video about mpt76 rifle
If I understand the assembly correctly, no barrel nut? If that is the case, not sure I am loving that.
You have not so good luck with really expensive guns. Hopefully they will fix your lapua kit. Side note: have you got you cheytac m200 back and fixed yet?
I sold that headache after they decided they didn’t want to send back my ct10. Everything they make is problematic and they have zero accountability.
@@TexasPlinking wow! That is crazy. Too bad shooter didnt have a mrad or a desert tech instead of a m200 haha
Wow..interested.. your thoughts compared to other multi caliber bolt guns
Neat design. Did your POI shift after you swapped the calibers back to 308? Looks like it has some consistency issues that need working out.
Awesome content awesome platform: however I would love to see a gas gun, set up like that! With the easy assembly and caliber conversion especially in an AR type platform
Wildly unrealistic. Doable.. ish.. with a lot of compromises made to get a semi-auto 2.95" and 3.9" action to be cross compatible. It'll be a huge .308 or a slightly too small .338L.
Looks awesome but I'm sure its price point is up there.
He said 5600 as configured. Then you know the scope and can are spendy too
@@RcB_1985ty, missed that somehow
Thank you for this video on an interesting platform. I am also interested to see what is the issue with the 338. Based on the cost for the folding stock, is it really worth the extra 600.00??
upsetting 338 is having issues
Not necessarily-- you'll just have to re-zero for the different caliber. They use drastically different amounts of powder, soit's never going to hold zero from one caliber to the other.
So it locks up like a sig mcx
It's just the Infiltrator from Fallout 3 The Pitt
This video was listed for me (bell icon), but suddenly disappeared. I think YT does not approve.
YT bedwetters have in the past taken down guntubers vids for showing gun assembly and assembly modifications. Would not be surprised if they take this one down.
CZcams won’t like this video I bet.
When the crap did vortex release a black gen 3?!?
They didn’t, I painted it haha
When are you going to make your own firearm design?
Jesus Christ… that’s Jason Bourne
It's cool, but I'm not seeing where 4k out of that 5.6k went.. other than their pockets. :)
Pretty cheap looking basic rail and the action looks essentially like an AR10 with a side charging mod. Cut out the gas system and simplify the bolt into one piece; no need for a buffer tube in the rear-- you're essentially done. I'm not joking when I say I don't see where the money is going. I could buy a side charging AR10 and weld the bolt to the carrier and boom.. I'm 90% the same as this rifle with a $500 308 build kit. Not impressed with their price. (granted it wouldn't swap calibers; touché). again, it's cool. But where do they dream up these prices? There's almost no R&D on this; everything they did has already been well established on other rifles. Even the swappable mag well is old tech. Cheers :)
Put a cover on your spare tire, the sun will damage and rot the rubber making it useless when you go to use it. Unless you’re keeping it in a garage, then disregard this PSA.
Then how do the tires on the truck keep from rotting? They are in the same sun
Pass on that rig
Crazy price for crap accuracy