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Precision: @neviana.daily on Instagram pointed me out that Vladinova deleted that risk from her routine because the hoop would often touch the floor before she touches it, which would be considered as a loss.
Also I'm considering doing a part 2 but with skills from rg pre-2013. What do you think?
I would love it. Also I am really looking forward to crack RG 2019.
I think it would be awesome. This was like an "antipasto" it gets you more hungry ahahahah!
alwa ys iteresting your videos, i would love one about pre 2013
Love your videos so much!! 💖
Yes please love your videos
The elimination of cap on difficulty scores under the current COP made so many gymnasts remove time-consuming elements which are actually very appealing to the audience. In exchange, they have to stuff all sorts of AD's and risks into their routines just to get higher difficulty scores, at the expense of beautiful BD's.
The current COP is also especially harsh on pivots (my favourite element) and so this season is unfortunately much less interesting to me personally. No one performs perfect backscale pivot like Ulyana anymore, and attitude pivots with Yana's relevé are simply rare.
Thanks for including Agiurgiuculese's attitude + ring pivot combination! It reminds me of my favourite pivot queen Daria Dmitrieva who always performed this. Keep up with your good work!
This code is indeed harsh on pivot. for example to see that 4 penche is basically only 0.2 poitn higher than a 6 penche pivot is very strange. I was wondering why we couldn't have a lower starting value of the pivot and then a point's rise as the number of rotation increase.
And including Agiurgiuculese's pivot was my pleasure!
Vinson
Hi. What is cop , ad and bd ?
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@@catpaws1196 Hello Cat Paws. COP is short for Code of Points, which is essentially the scoring system of rhythmic gymnastics. It lists how many points each element (pivot / jump / throw / risk) is worth, when and how points are deducted etc. Every COP lasts about 3 years, and the current COP started in 2017 and will last until 2020.
A gymnast's total score is the sum of her difficulty points and execution points. For each element she performs, she earns difficulty points. And for each imperfect or mistake she makes, her execution points get deducted.
BD is short for body difficulty, which is what the gymnast performs using her bodily parts. Pivots, jumps, balances, rolls etc. contribute to BD points.
AD, on the other hand, is short for apparatus difficulty, which is what the gymnast does with her apparatus (ribbon, ball, clubs, hoop). Throws, catches, rolls of apparatus over body parts etc. contribute to AD points.
The current COP allocates rather pitiful values to pivots, which used to be an important element to gain high scores, and greatly emphasises on throws and catches, which is why gymnasts in this season performs a lot more throws than previous seasons.
Hope this clarifies!
@@catpaws1196 Hi! New fan here I suppose ;) CoP (Cop, or cop or whatever anyway!) means Code Of Point. It's the rulebook for the discipline which explain how judges can score the routine on difficulty and execution. Like in Artistic Gymnastics!
Ad is the casual abbreviation for Apparatus Difficulty: basically it's a particularly technically difficult synchronization between apparatus and body. No to be confused with DA which stands for ''Difficulty Apparatus'' in result sheets and includes the points earns from ad and risks (risk: gymnast throwing the apparatus doing 2 rotations of more and catching the apparatus. If a gymnast throw the apparatus, do only 1 rotation and catch, it's not a risk, but it could be an ad).
Here is a video about ad czcams.com/video/RaB2iKojjrM/video.html
Bd is the casual abbreviation for Body difficulty. Not to be confused with DB which stands for ''Difficulty: Body'' in result sheets and includes the points earned by Bd and Dance steps ;)
This could help you to recognized some of the most common bd and symbols czcams.com/video/V_irybH-qBo/video.html
;)
Vinson
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me. 😊
The last one is so gorgeous
We need a COP that gives enough to body difficulty and apparatus difficulty!! so each gymnast can take part with their best qualities, as well we need to be honest about the execution, I know it's not easy thing especially to give a score for execution but sometimes there are some things very noticeable for the fans that all we could think is that the judgment is biased
I feel pain everytime Arina performs the AD ball's catch walkover in the video: don't her points hurt when she lands on em? it seems she beats them onto the floor so harshly!! 😝😥
Yes, however it's not that painful in itself (as one element), but if you have injuries and that you need to perform it over and over again, faster and faster, maybe better to remove it from your routine, yes!
as an ex rhythmic gymnast, that skill is definitely not one she probably worries about or feels significant pain over. hitting the underside of your toes into the ground isn't that bad.
the elements that cause the most physical stress are the ones that make u enter really flexible positions really quickly in a kicking motion, especially with the hips and back.
for example, pivots and leaps require u to kick your legs and abdomen into position quickly, so back scale pivots are bad, and split leaps with arch and turning split leaps with arch are bad.
@@dannyjq oh, ok thanks 😊😊 yes and with the "touching required" since 2017 I suppose leaps hurt even worse
@@saem_rg yes, probably. in reality though i feel like the most physically painful part of rg is the stretching and repetition during training. the routine itself has the painful elements, but it's the hours upon hours multiple times a week (or in these gymnasts' case, everyday) of oversplit stretching, kicks, and practicing the body elements over and over that really take a toll on the body
@@dannyjq I can barely imagine how painful and tiring it is, even for one's mind. when we watch a routine we hardly ever think of what's behind those 90 seconds time...
Exactly why I don’t like this COP :(
I have to agree it killed diversity . The best starting point now is speed up routine with series of 4 consecutive jumps.
@@dododimitrov9657 which is very difficult, but as you said kill the diversity
Rhythmic gymnastics never gets props. Always shown at 3am American time. I loved watching it but always had to hunt for it. This is great skill and talent, and the hand/eye coordination alone is phenomenal. I guess because America always fails to place anywhere decent it’s just overlooked here.
Rhythmic gymnastics is indeed very European (Central Asia too) centered: nearly all the big competitions happens in Europe or Central Asia (Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan etc...) and I guess that doesn't help. But America got great talent: USA qualified 2 gymnasts for the Olympic for the first time, Mexican, Brazilian and USA groups are rising, not bad!
Awesome. Great work in this video! I wished the head judges would watch it and think about it. It’s so sad to see when more creative and difficult movements value less than easier and boring ones.
Since time is now an important aspect to be considered by gymnasts (with open-D and limitless difficulties) it true that is hard to take the time to perform new things. Only the quick creative one can have a chance.
Wow.. thanks so much for explaining in such detail that most spectators don't have the slightst clue exist. This video was very clarifying
Thank you, really glad it was understandable ☺️
This is why gymnastics today looks so dull and boring. I miss the days when we see graceful and breathtaking performaces. Now all they care about is scoring high.
And if we think about some elements from Kabaeva's time, which are totally rediculated by now. If I am not wrong some were even banned as too dangerous.
Yes, some element that were valuable are now ''useless''! It's also because gymnasts could performed more BD with limited D, so no need to maximize everyone of them. Some of them are sort of banned nowadays by giving them absolutely no interesting value (Kb balance, balance with extreme flexibility of the back with high touching the leg during a ring for example, ring jump), but with the draft 2021-2024 it looks like some skills (like knees balances) are re-introduced (but the value remain quite low)
The thumbnail is so pretty. Very interesting video as always.
i have to say thi CoP killed pivots, my favorite body elements probably... and lot of gymyanst are not quite great jumper to dare to make spectacular leaps to gain easly lot of points
The pivot now was spectacular, with Kaleyn and all those youngsters push the pivot value so high up
Very cool to see rhythmic gymnastics highlighted. They deserve much more attention!!!
Soldatova is unique in her own❤
She deserved to be in Olympics
When we are talking about pivots(with or without back flexibility), they changed because the body changes and its harder to perform some. Thats why the forms of the pivots or even jumps and balances(balances not that much) get changed...
Yes, excatly. It happens to a lot of gymnasts and that's normal to see gymnasts adapting to it.
This ''not interesting enough'' would only be true for people who know this art inside out. A person like myself who is more familiar with regular gymnastics finds stuff like the back scale pivot amazing! Apparently this art is getting less intricate, and risky all the time now. lts all about high points, and less tricky intricacies. l LIKE that stuff!
I think everyone find the backscale amazing. Even after years watching rhythmic gymnastics a fully rotated 360° backscale still takes my breath away!
I'd say it's not getting less intricate. It's getting less intricate in some areas (body difficulty, especially pivots and some risks) but every periods had their advantages and limits.
@@ClematisRGVideos ~ Cool! l _just started_ watching it, and l already know who lrina the coach is, but learning, and remembering the names of the girls is a bit difficult. l _do_ remember Dina, and Avrina, but l keep forgetting that SUPER pretty girl that dropped her hoop at the hight of her sport. l think she lost out on the Olympics because of it, or something like that. She arranges beautiful shows with many girls at the same time now. Still _stunning_ beautiful!
@@ClematisRGVideos Was there anyone doing 720? I only saw Aliya Yussupova did a 540 in Athens
This was very interesting! Thank you! It would be awesome to see the same concept of video on famous retired gymnasts...
Erica Peri That would be nice to see but I think this is even more interesting because it can impact directly the COP
@@WhatashameMaryJane I would like to know if the cop had always something to do with this kind of choices...and as a comparison I would like to know if and how the old cop changes had a similar effect. Because I remember some gymnasts stopped doing elements but until now I never considered this aspect
@@ericaperi2596 Oh you're right, I didn't think about this aspect. I believe there are countless examples of movements gymnasts stopped doing because of the COP...it happens basically at every cop change! First things I recall: everything (balances, pivots, with of without hands) in grand ecart, the pivot sitting on your heal, entre lace, the simple and beautiful en jambee, the majestic throw with 3 simple identical rolls underneath it, long rolls of the ball along two open arms, moulinet series with clubs, pivots on the chest on the floor in split position...
yes please! Things they did that no other gymnast does now!
For Arina's Walkover, I think it could also have something to do with penalties for connection/rhythm interruption. If the element is not executed at the end of the routine, the transition into the next element is anything but smooth and usually off-beat. All in all, she does a catch for 0.4 in AD, but could get -0.2 deduction for artistic faults. The ratio of real value (nominal value minus deduction) to skill is pushed even lower, which makes the element unattractive as an AD.
I never though about artistic penalty for removing an ad, especially the connection: it takes time of course (standing/floor/standing) but, as you pointed it out, the connection itself could be poor. Great thinking!
Why oh why oh why is the judging for RG so complicated??????????????....So many changed is is hard to follow...........They should just give the medals to everyone..... They are all so good..... So graceful..... So beautiful and charming...
I find interesting that Halkina rotates to the right on the ring pivot, but for the attitude + front split she goes to the left.
Yes! I think it it has to do something with her right leg flexibility being better than her left leg flexibility. And since she prefers to turn on the inside, she will necessary rotate to the left for attitude (left leg flexibility involved but not to much) / split (right leg flexibility involved a lot) and rotate to the right for the ring (right leg flexibility involved and of course back being surely more flexible/muscular on this side). That's also probably why she was not very consistent on this turn: turning left for a gymnast that prefers turning right.
Loved this can u make a video of rare/original body elements, this video introduced me to some i didnt know about i would love to see more
I will surely do another one for sure :D
@@ClematisRGVideos yey cool i will be looking foward love u channel
@@daarlinglovelyy 😉
Excellent performance
I remember Alina yussupova used to do really amazing backscale pivots in the 2000s
Alina Yussupova had one of the best back split ever. Straight, quick reach of the leg and good balance.
Interesting analysis. I think this is just a beautiful sport.
Thank you! It's a very beautiful one indeed :)
Wow oh my goodness!!!...😮😮😲😲🤸♀️👯♀️
#PrayforCOP2021-2024
Amen
As a ballerina, I pray these girls are actually being taken care of. Flexibility is fantastic UNTIL your body pays the price. The only way to prevent damage from over stretching from kicks and other ballistic stretches, is to make sure the muscles and tendons around those muscles and bones are in tip top shape!!! If anyone here is a rhythmic gymnast, are you encouraged to study Pilates? Any of his strengthening exercises would help in sustaining long lean muscles without adding bulk and impeding flexibility.
I think everyone agree with this. Normally (I say ''normally'' because there is no way to check what they do exactly) high level gymnast receive the best treatment. Even with that (and I think you know it too as a ballerina) you can't prevent some injuries (even small ones) with the repetition of the same elements for an extensive amount of time...but yes, everything must be done to avoid that (and sometimes not everything is done for that and I think taboo about nutrition and weight are not helping the discussion)
I miss the rotation on the head by Alex Agiurgiuculese, if I'm not wrong she is not performing it since last year, but I'd say it's because it's quite dangerous for the neck... please do a part 2 ahahah this content is so interesting and catchy!
She performed it in her ribbon routine this season. :)
@@MsInsanelove спасибо за информацию ;)
Absolutely agreed with some conditions of technics how to adjustable and composition of the gymnastics theory!
It’s good to know that this COP his saving gymnasts some time and to something maybe more interesting but the last one was way too beautiful, I love catches like that. So untrue that it is uninteresting,such a shame for the 0.1 points.
Yes, the code sometimes has its own absurdities.
What abaout Triple rolls and catch hope performing by Aline Maksymenko.
i never seen that skill before
ah yes, but here I'm talking about active gymnasts. But I could do a video about retired gymnasts too ;)
"En dehors" is french for on (the) outside, and "En dedans" is on (the) inside.
Yep, this is the ballet term and some school still use the French term, that why I used it too. Thank you for this comment, might help people who find the french terminology difficult :D
I use to do a scramble roll but now I do a triple scramble roll in my Hoop, Ball and Ribbon routines
Good!
It's like they want them to do the basic simple cookie cutter routines.. just to earn points
There are still very difficult skills today, but at the costs of some others yes...
Arina averina's ball trapping
Halkina's hoop catch with head and leg
Alexandra 's head cartwheel
Awsome and unique❤
Yana Kudryavtseva used to do front scale (?) pivots in 2012.
I’m not sure if I just didn’t watch enough of her routines in later years but I think she stopped doing them after 2012.
Yes exactly, she used to a bit (ball routine 2012 in particular). Back then, before 2012 it was more interesting to do a penché (front scale on flat foot) than attitude pivot she did for the following quad. Then in 2013-2016 a 360° penche was 0.8 vs 360° attitude pivot (or ring pivot with help too) 0.6. She preferred the pivot, she was stronger at it.
Dina did the backscale at the Euskalgym 2019.
yes and still very nicely, but not in a competitive routine ;)
@@ClematisRGVideos Yes, but considering it's a very risky element to do, doing it in a gala maybe tells that she is working on it to put it in a 2020 exercise.
@@mysticjc And sadly, we will most likely never see her perform a backscale pivot again, it's now clear that Dina's back is not really capable of handling most elements requiring back flexibility anymore.
Linoy ashram ball's roll and rebound on the back of the legs
Oh yes! She used to do it. Also the roll during a dive leap. Maybe she'll do it again?
Just watching some hurt my back
Калейн просто отрыв. КАК?
Muy bien
they're rare and unique to them (signature) or else in 2020 we will be seeing same/similar moves routine after routines....
The ring pivot in the thumbnail at Budapest is the prettiest one I’ve ever seen, sadly she was really inconsistent, but form wise is to die for
Yes totally! I though about including it, but surely for another video ;) Soldatova also used to do some split pivot in 2013, even back split pivot before.
New to understanding sport. What are AD, BD, COP?
Apparatus difficulty, body difficulty, code of points :)
Thank you 😄
Boryana is the queen of turns ☺️☺️☺️☺️
Je ne suis même pas sûre qu'on puisse compter un passage à travers pour le rattraper d'Halkina, puisque la tête n'est qu'un seul segment et le pied n'est même pas un autre segment. Du coup ça aurait juste été sans les mains pour les R. Dommage que le rattraper mixte ne fonctionne qu'avec les massues et la corde.
D'ailleurs j'en profite, dans la lettre FFG n°1, on nous en a appris une bonne. Les lancers sont considérés comme grands quand ils font deux fois la hauteur de la gym mais en fait, on pensait que c'était deux fois au dessus de la gym mais non ! C'est deux fois à partir du sol, donc pour moi qui fait 1m55 c'est à peine plus de 3 mètres. C'est très peu au final. Donc des DE que l'on voyait à 0,2 valent en fait 0,3 ou 0,4, ça peut expliquer des petites différences en DA sur certaines de tes vidéos. D'après ma responsable régionale, au colloque national Eva Serrano a été très claire là-dessus, donc c'est normalement bien appliqué au niveau international. Je ne sais pas si tu étais au courant de ça ^^.
Oui j'ai beaucoup hésité pour la reprise ''à travers'' parce qu'effectivement, techniquement ce n'est pas ''à travers''. C'est pour cela que j'ai mis ''if considered''.
Pour ce qui est de la taille j'ai demandé aussi à plusieurs juges internationaux (dont certains niveau 1 comme Eva), et ce qui m'étonne c'est qu'ils m'ont qui m'ont dit que la hauteur était considérée à partir du point où l'engin quitte la gymnaste. Mais en pratique, les yeux sont évidemment incapables de fixer précisément le moment où l'engin quitte la gymnaste. D'où la facilité de compter à partir du sol pour une gymnaste au sol.
5:56 wowwww
But some of these moves we saw at 2019 world championschip
This is move that specific gymnast stopped performing, not moves that don't exist anymore ;)
Clematis RGVideos thats true ❤️but that one with arisha’s ribbon? But maybe it is another move
@@julihavlickova3010 She actually didn't performed it in Baku ;)
Thanks for the great video as usual! One element that I liked was the one Dina performed here at 1.00 : czcams.com/video/9GZUSn2SV_U/video.html but she could hardly ever do it and quickly changed it to how she does it now (where the club falls down the other side of the leg). Is there a big difference?
I though about including this one! Yes the points are different but only because she don't perform a backscale balance anymore. The difference of point is not about catching on one side or another.
2016 version: 0.2+0.5 for this skill vs 2019 version: 0.2 only
However you'll agree that the 2016 version of that skill is way harder than the 2017 version (she holds the balance but catch the clubs on the other side if you remember), and yet the value is the same. A big problem of this Code for me.
Since 2018, she's not holding the balance anymore. It was tremendously difficult and she was often loosing her balance/not holding the shape long enough. Now she's playing safe and that's the best for her :D
And honestly Arina and Dina have such an enormous arsenal of AD I could do an entire videos about them ahah
@@ClematisRGVideos Cool, thanks for the explanation :)
Could you do compilation of Alina Kabaeva skills?
Great idea! I was thinking of including her in old skills not frequently performed nowadays.
Alina was next level. 👍
Still so pretty to watch.
I have no expertise... what is AD
To be short: it's a difficult apparatus handling. Not just a regular bounce for example, but a bounce on the back for example.
This should help you for more precision ;) czcams.com/video/RaB2iKojjrM/video.html
That's an idiot COP the one that considers turns en dehors and en dedans of the same difficulty...
I'm waiting for it...
Nothing is impossible to the Russian gymnasts.
Can you please translate into Russian?
I don't like period of kanaeva and mamun.
if they truly want to prevent back injury, RG should be banned all together. This sport is all about back injury. human spine is meant for stability not flexibility.
The elements that makes RG so difficult and interesting are being slowly replaced so that other boring, undeserving and uninteresting countries could have a fighting chance 😒😒😒😒😒😒
the points system is getting lazier by the day! I hpe this changes some time soon or this will stop being considered a sport; stop f*ing dancing ladies!!!