Should You Bow Your Wrist At The Top Of The Backswing?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2023
- One of the latest trends is to bow your wrist at the top of the backswing. This tip explains if you should be doing this or not.
So you're watching golf on TV and you see the swings of Dustin Johnson, Collin Morikawa and Jon Rahm and you see them bow the lead wrist at the top of the backswing so you think that maybe you should be doing that too or someone has told you to do bow your wrist like them.
Think about it for a second. These players are tour pros. You are not. These players started as kids while most amateurs started as adults. This is a major difference between them and you. Over my career I have fixed countless kids in this bowed wrist position at the top of the backswing. Listening to interviews with Dustin Johnson and Collin Morikawa both said they did not have lessons at kids. So with their bowed wrist position the learned how to make this work for them.
As an amateur trying to get this bowed top of the backswing position is never going to work. So instead of wasting your time watch this tip to find out why you shouldn't be doing this and start learning a square position at the top.
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I’m in phase 2 of my chemotherapy doctor won’t let me do anything but walk so I keep watching your videos doing mental reps it helps keep sane
Mental practice. This can be just as good a physical practice. Get better soon.
What a great message. Best to you for quick recovery Mike.
You’re one of the few people on YT that speaks exactly to my age of golfer. Thanks Paul
Glad you see that. The great majority of golfers are older and average players. Too many of them are trying to do moves that will never work. This has to be simple and allow you to develop a swing for life. Many of these tips on YT should have warnings on them. Stay focused and stay loose.
Yes! Another great video that is realistic to 'our' bodies and thus our capabilities. I too have been trying to bow a bit -- after this video -- No More. Thank You!
Very good. This will save you potentially years of trying to get it (which you never will).
This even reaches out to me ;- ) Thanks for sharing Paul!
Very good. Tricky to do and unncessary.
Thank you! Took a few lessons last season and the pro tried to get 57-year old me to bow the wrist. Never felt natural and I developed some tendonitis in my forearm. I had been cupping severely previously so a correction was needed but this was too much. I now focus on a flat wrist, which feels natural and has helped my strike tremendously.
Yeah, hopefully you are never going to work on that every again. As I said in the tip this is a waste of time. It is not dominating on tour. As for the over cupping this is you holding the club too much in the fingers of the lead hand. This allows it to over cup. Follow my neutral grip tip where it runs across the lead palm. If so, you can't over cup:
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53 and I have bowed mine for years. I still focus on it, today.
When did you start playing?
I have to say that your instructions have changed my golf game forever. After posting my lowest score in my league last week, today, I just hit my first ever hole in one. All thanks to the body swing, I feel like I can attack pins without much strain. I have a swing for life and I cannot thank you enough. I’m telling anyone who hasn’t gone to Paul’s website, to just do it. The cost alone has paid for itself and I’m way more consistent with my shots. Even my league manager said that I’ve had the biggest improvement in my game. Do yourself a favor, buy the program, practice properly and follow these tips. Paul has made me a lifelong golfer! Thank you!
Sorry I just saw I hadn't answered this. Wow! Hole in one. That's great. So fun when you get one. So glad you did the work and saw results. Hopefully you are still working on it. Thank you for the promo to others. I appreciate all the help I can get. Let me know if you have issues but typically people lose it because they get greedy.
THANKS FOR BEING REALISTIC PAUL. A SQUARE POSITION AT THE TOP HINGING OUR WRISTS KEEPING IT NICE AND LOOSE YOU’LL HIT IT LONGER AND STRAIGHTER WITH MINIMAL EFFORT 👍🍀😊
You're welcome. Stick to the tried and tested basics. Just do the Nicklaus, Hogan, Byron Nelson and Tiger Test. This will tell you if you should be doing certain things or not.
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I loved that instruction on avoiding the wrist action on top of the backswing, I’m 80 plus big time and it will help my game 🏌️♂️
Glad you liked it. Thanks. At 80 you need to keep your wrists super loose and turn your body. This is as simple as it gets.
Lessons last winter had my local pro put me into a strong grip, in the fingers, then actively bowing my wrist on the take-away. He did this to accentuate a feel and to get me to to pull/draw the ball. Then, I reverted back to Paul's neutral grip and now I hit dead straight 90% of the time, or with a slight draw. I only hinge my wrists up then let centrifugal force naturally unhinge them at impact. Guess I just described hitting with my body, not my arms??!!
Love the channel paul , i have a natural bow in the wrist from starting golf im now 47 and still have it played off 2 for over 20 years now
Thanks so much. I appreciate the support. Just as I said, you started as a kid and did it as a kid. I would have fixed it but you went with it. At a 2 hdcp do you change it or go with it. I would go with it. Just release that as you get older and can't rotate your hips as much you may start hitting it left. Your still young now but I am telling you this day will come. At that point you may way to change it. Otherwise you will have to hold it off to stop it going left.
@@paulwilsongolf my natural shape is a draw , but for me hitting fades is difficult I need to lay the club off with the face open ,I understand what you are saying totally and till that day 🤣
For sure. Just go with the draw. I keep wondering who DJ and Morikawa are going to be in 20 years. Might not be around to see it but there is no way they are going to have 60 degree hip rotation as they are older. I really don't like people working the ball. Only work it if you absolutely have to.
Hi Paul. Agree 100 percent. My hips have definitely slowed down. The good news at 76 I would have go out of my way to bow my wrist at the top of my swing. Tried it done it; Ouch! Cheers 👍
Glad you are never going to try it again. Truly mind boggling how things change in golf looking for the magical answer. The answer is in watching what the best of all time did. Other than Trevino (he bowed a little) none did this bowing move.
I admit i tried the bowed left wrist. Beyond everything you said i would add that the risk for injury seemed exponentially higher. When the ground got hard, i had an uphill lie, or God forbid there was a root i didn't see, that left wrist is in a very vulnerable position.
For sure. I tried to really bow and you are right it put serious pressure on my wrist. I couldn't even make contact doing it loke Dustin.
Very true... I use to do this a few years ago then stop doing it..... Now my ball flight is straight and a bit higher... My 7 iron average carry distance is 180m
Glad you stopped. I'm sure there are tons of people out there trying to do this and it's serious hurting their game. Hopefully, people will see this and comments like yours and stop doing it.
Paul your right I tried it. Reason was that I have trouble squaring the club face and flipping at impact. This becomes more pronounced with the 9,W, GW,&SW sculling the ball. Any suggestions?
I am hoping Paul addresses your comment or does a video about it. It is outrageous how much better I strike the ball using Paul's method. It feels completely natural for my longer clubs. Shorter clubs I just don't seem to get it for some reason.
Flipping is lack of body rotation. You are hitting with your arms so it releases early. Watch:
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Just do my hinging and rehinge/ roll over drill. Get the wrists loosened up. czcams.com/video/SfIM2GWj9Cs/video.html That will unlock the wrists. Once you do you start switching to body rotation to power the swing.
This is because you need to stand taller with shorter clubs. Everyone bends over. When you do you can't coil circular. Instead you seesaw which is exactly what I don't want. So stand taller (not too tall) in a short stop position looking at the batter. Then coil and uncoil as opposed to seesawing the shoulders and you will be able to do my swing. Also, be sure to hinge and rehinge with shorter clubs.
I’m a 55 year old guy. Went out and played today and tried that bowed wrist for the first time. My front 9 was horrible. For the back 9, I went back to what I knew before, and played a whole lot better!! I wish I’d seen this vid earlier! At least I know now.😅
Well, you can say you tried it. Funny I get a few people saying "why would you tell people not to do that?". Mind boggling how a few good golfers (who never had lessons do it and now the whole world is teaching it. I give thinks the Nicklaus, Hogan, Nelson test. If they did then do it. No of them were bowed. Why would you teach something the best of all time didn't do. Stick with what you were doing. Loosen your arms and wrists and you will be hitting it amazingly in no time.
@@paulwilsongolf I ordered “The Body Swing” a little while back; I think I’ll stick to it!!
Nothing is easier. Just need to follow it which seems to be difficult because people just want to whack balls. It's about the move. Reduce the balls and learn 4 positions. If so, you will look like a pro as you swing. Look like a pro and guess what? You hit it like a pro.
I'm 54. I've been playing for 2 years. Despite lessons with several PGA pros I was still slicing, thinning, and fatting most everything. Terrible. I almost quit a month ago. That is, until I started watching videos about flattening/bowing the lead wrist. Now I hit most everything straight and have added 20% distance to most every shot. I'll add that I golf right-handed but am left-hand dominant, so flattening my lead left hand is natural. Maybe I'm a mutant, don't know.
So not sure what you are saying here. You are or are not bowing your wrist? Left hand as the dominant hand is great as most people have the bottom had as the dominant hand. Keep following my tips. Watch me work with this student:
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I tried the bowed wrist but i couldn't turn my hips far enough. Then I saw this video. I'm gonna try the body swing. Thanks 😊
Very good. You are proof that bowed wrist it tough to the average player. Stick to what is tried and tested. The day some other swing dominates the tour then I may think of adding it to my teaching but this will never happen. Think of who the best of all time were and what swing they did. They certainly didn't bow this wrist.
I continue to go through your YT tips and my takeaway from this one is your approach is perfect for my age. I switched to bowing my left wrist a few years ago and ended up damaging it😞
One thing you mentioned in this video that I found interesting… and that was the face is matching the lead arm at the top of the swing. The wrist cock at the top cups the lead wrist, and one thing I have tried to do is align the face to the top of my lead hand. Can you elaborate a bit so to insure I am clear on this? Thanks!!!
Glad you aren't doing that anymore. Let's get you on track. Just do this tip. czcams.com/video/uRWI8Mhnsa8/video.html
@@paulwilsongolf Thanks for providing “HOW TO SET THE PERFECT TOP OF THE BACKSWING POSITION” tip. Makes perfect sense now after watching and getting in some swings🙂.
I plan on signing up to your “Body Swing Bundle” shortly for the step-by-step process of building a powerful, effortless, pain-free golf swing🙂😉
Some nationally branded golf schools are teaching this, as they try to teach old guys to swing like young pros. No bueno? How about the opposite move... a cup at the top? Thx for your continued help, Paul!!
Yeah ... I guess the can't fix slicers so they get you to bow the wrist to fake it. Yes, I want it slightly cupped. I did a tip on it here:
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Paul, can you do a tip about the lead wrist position during the takeaway? I notice if I turn my lead wrist down during the takeaway I tend to have better strighter drives. If I just whip it back like I do with my irons to stay loose, my drives are quite inconsistent. Although I like the loose feeling, some structure and knowing what I should be doing would be helpful to feel more confident on the course. Thanks
Well, driver is longer so you want to hit it the hardest. In doing so you tighten the wrists and and don't hit it great. Now you bow the wrist a little. This shuts the face and allows you to square the face a few more degrees so you hit what you feel are better shots. All you have to do to hit it great my way is purposely roll the wrists from the top and get it hooking. This is what I refer to as my roll over drill. Once you can purposely hook about 10 in a row you remember this feeling as you switch to firing your lower body. If your body starts first you hit it dead straight. Watch me do it in this video then follow the steps below which is what I taught the student in the video:
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Then follow these steps:
Wrists = Spin (Step 1)
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Body = Direction (Step 2)
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czcams.com/video/RdphthCQ9VM/video.html
czcams.com/video/m8FxSZSmKEw/video.html (secret tip)
Now you don't have to do a different move with driver. Also, watch this one so you understand timing into the future:
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I do slight Bow because it helps squaring up at impact and better ball first impact than divot.
I would check your alignment. Are you doing it from square or are you pulling it thinking you are doing it from square. Also, what sort of level are you at? If you were a low single digit doing it then I would maybe have you keep doing it. If you are an average golfer I would change it.
Hey paul, is it possible i am unhinging my wrist too early? I am noticing that when i am off on my driver my left inside wrist is hitting the right outside/mid wrist to the point where i notice the pain when i do it. I also am noticing a solid hook when im doing so.
You can unhinge too early for sure. This would be hitting with arms. If you did nothing with your arms why would it unhinge early? I gave seen this before. Hopefully it is not still hitting but if so, its telling you that you need to turn your hips faster. The club is releasing but the body is too slow so it flips. Watch:
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It’s crazy, I just started slightly bowing my wrist on the backswing after countless hooking my irons above a 8i and I am consistently hitting them now flush and straight! Not saying you’re wrong but I wonder what the difference is now. Love your vids!
This is you holding off the release (tight wrists). The issue are:
1. Your distance control may suffer because you need to hold it off exactly the same amount each time.
2. Might have an issue getting long irons high enough.
3. Might hit driver too low.
4. You need serous hip rotation. Right now I think you are holding it off to square it. Check this on video. If so, you are using your arms not your body. As you get older you will not hit the ball anywhere because you won't rotate as fast or as much.
5. You could hurt your left wrist (hurts mine when I try this).
Your hooking irons was you with a strong grip. All you had to do was neutralize it and fire your lower body. Could have had you hitting it dead straight in 5-10 mins. Watch:
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@@paulwilsongolf you are right about my driver I tried this and started hitting it lower for sure. I’ll check out the video thanks! 28 and only been golfing 1 year so just absorbing as much info to dial my swing in. Thanks for the reply
Don't be swayed by this new bowed swing they seem to be teaching. Just look at the best players of all time. They did not do this swing plus this swing is not dominating on tour. Stick to the classic swing Nicklaus, Tiger, Byron Nelson, Hogan etc.
Thanks so much for your videos Paul. I've been following you for about 1-1.5 years and I've gone from a 10-12 down to a 3-4. Shot 72 yesterday. I feel like I owe you money!
Wow. That's a nice drop. So glad you found me. You can support me on my site paulwilsongolf.com or just by helping to spread the word. Anything is a big help. Keep up the good work. So close to scratch now. You can do it.
Interesting you say rahm/DJ/morikawa....your right...major focus on teaching bowed wrist either at top..or on start of downswing!...im 66 and tried this....massive pulls or pull hooks...+..it wore my arms out!....veey inconsistant!...ive been watching your cannels videos...seen most....and came across this one on bowed wrist!.....with a Major Red Flag to avoid +excellent discussion of WHY!.....I erased all thoughts of doing this...and have focused on all your drills ...boy am i seeing results +...i can hit 3 buckets and have zero fatigue in my arms or wrists or body...i do yoga 6 days a week.....and thats about relaxation /stretching of the body....i apply yoga to my body/arms/wrists on the range its created a freedom of movement in my golf swing....and a compressed golf ball that feels effortless!....thank you!
Glad you see that this is not going to work for the average person. Did you see Morikawa's new way to tee up the ball by squatting? He says it's preventative. Yeah right. He is 26. At that age I would never have even thought to squat to tee up the ball. I guarantee his back is hurting already. Glad you are no longer doing it.
Great tip! I was confused about this. There’s a lot of confusing videos about flattening your right wrist at the top of your swing or rolling your left hand down. I tend to use a stronger grip and this combination leads to disaster on the course. It’s amazing how I tend to take a tip and overbake it; it seems to work on the range (hey! Look at that draw) and then get on the course and screw up repeatedly (snap hook!) and have to go back to the drawing board. Golf must be simpler than the game I play 😂. Should also mention: I got in the habit of closing my stance to promote hitting a draw. My son watched me yesterday and was like “Dad, why are you aiming to that tree on the right”? I readjusted and got back on form but man, I’ve got to simplify my swing thoughts. 😢
Yeah, a lot of people over complicate this stuff. As for your draw you were actually hitting a pull hook. If someone wants to hit a draw then I want them hitting a real or true draw from square. You get this with a slightly stronger grip pointing the V's around the shoulder. You have a little extra lateral which allows the club to attack from the inside. Loose wrists with that grip closes the face a degree or two and gets the draw spin. I show how to do it here:
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Funny how a few pros bow the wrist (which is seen in kids swings) so now they want everyone doing it. Problem is you need serious hip rotation which the average person is never going go get. The best players of all time did not do that position nor that swing. I always figured we should be copying the best.
@@paulwilsongolf thank you Paul. Funny thing is I was hitting done before I started making all these adjustments, trying to add distance. I’m going back to basics with loose wrists and see what happens.
1:20 - Correct, the only way to not hook it, (without some weird contortions), is to stay WAY ahead of the hands, which would be achieved by keeping the lower body moving towards the target and rotating excessively, like a Cameron Champ hip rotation, which is insane at impact. My observation of some of the touring Pros that do this is, they sometimes un-bow the lead wrist somewhat in the down swing. They're probably not un-bowing consciously, but more of a product of their swing mechanics. Which is they stop the lower body rotation at some point, and allow the clubhead to "catch-up", thereby un-bowing somewhat. I watched Bobby Jones' complete Shorts Collection by Warner Brothers from the 1930s (DVD) and he NEVER bowed at the top, but instead cupped excessively. I carefully analyzed his swing, and I can say confidently that he would perfectly time pushing off the ground with his lead leg, while continuing with his rotation and side-bend of the trail side. So he created a whipping action with his hips with perfect timing, and since he maintained his angles so well (stored up potential energy) , that clubhead would get released with a tremendous zing! I've never seen a more pure ball flight. A low beautiful penerating shot and a touch of draw. I'm fully convinced if he played with today's equipment, forget about it, he would be on the leader boards often and win often! I watching the Champions Tour today because they KNOW what their doing and it's the best tour out there in my opinion.
For sure. I do not see this new swing dominating. You know who is? Scheffler. Taller traditional type of swing. The day this new fangled swing dominates I may look into it. I doubt this day will ever come. None of these new guys could ever come close to beating Nicklaus, Tiger, Hogan, Nelson, Jones and Snead. Wouldn't even be close.
@@paulwilsongolf Agreed. Jones and Snead were pure gold!
People teaching this new swing don't seem to realize that swing is not dominating on tour. NONE of these new guys would ever be able to beat Jones, Nelson, Hogan, Nicklaus, Tiger, Snead (2001-2003). Who is the best striker on tour? Scheffler. Seems like he is doing a taller more upright swing just like the best of all time. If only he could putt.
Good video. Only thing is that a little more emphasis on grip and wrist conditions would have rounded it out. As in, “ why” they bow their wrists is due in part to how they grip the club.
Yeah, good idea. Problem is the crazies that don't know how to skip through a video will all come out telling me the tip is too long.
Im 44, and i bow my wrist, and hit it great.
What is hitting it great? Did you start playing golf as an adult? Are you hitting it from a square alignment?
@@paulwilsongolf started at about 16. Started bowing a few months ago. Great meaning far , and able to move it both ways. Square yes
Pretty sure I said in this tip "if you started golf as an adult that will never work."The younger you start the less arms strength you have so you learn how to use your hips not your arms to hit the ball. The average person (who started as an adult) has literally none. They are facing the ball as they hit the ball. So you put a shut face in this swing and they will hook everything. If not, they are holding it off to not hook it now their wrists are locked. Look at DJ and Morikawa. As I showed in this tip both are probably 60 degree hip rotation at impact. If I can get the average golfers 10 degrees open that's a miracle. If it works for you keep doing it but I am never going to teach it to the average person.
Thank you. I unconsciously bow my wrist, now I know why my shots are so inconsistent.
Glad you see it. I would be fixing it. Make's life so much easier.
It would be good to see a video on what peoples options are if keeping the left arm straight (helps massively with consistency of strike rather than bending arm straight away on takeaway) - once club is more than half way back on the backswing only option is to have flat wrist or bowed wrist? either way needs some hip rotation to generate any power and have correct angle of club face
Not sure what you are getting at here. I like the arm perfectly straight to 3/4 back. From there it can bend a little:
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@@paulwilsongolf The straighter you can keep your lead arm for longer helps with consistency of strikes IMO - of course a little bending at top is allowed but watching the pros it really only is a very slight bend at most in over 90% of cases. I guess what i was meaning was although bowing the wrists has its downside as you rightly point out it is a good way of keeping that left arm straight throughout the back swing. John Rham has one of the most consistent swings I have ever seen - I remember watching a video on him not long ago and he said the when he was a kid his dispersion was very poor by his later standards and he said the first thing his coach got him to do in his early amateur days was keep his lead arm straight (I also get the slight nuances needed for him specifically of course),
Problem with Rahm is how fast he has to move at it. I keep telling people I can't want to see how he's swinging in 20+ years. I may not be alive to see it but I guarantee he is either not playing, hooking everything, has serious back pain and/or hitting it nowhere. Look at Morikawa. Just saw aa video of him squatting down to tee up his ball. Says it preventative. Yeah, right. At 26, in no way would I ever think of teeing up a ball this way. So his back is already hurting. Yes, you need the arm perfectly straight at 3/4 back. Some people need to force this. From there it can bend a little as you hit the top. Coming down it needs to be straight as you hit the ball.
@@paulwilsongolf yeah agree with all that Paul … I guess the harder you push the body (in any sport) the wear and tear is quicker (makes sense)… I remember people saying same thing about Tiger and well I guess they were all correct (car injury aside) - similar in tennis eg nadal versus Djokovic. In the flip side you need to push to the maximum to beat the competition - if you don’t do it someone else will but of course no need to do to extreme level (De Chambeau prob realising that now with his body change). I hope you are alive and very well come Rhams later years 👍
No. You just need to hit it 300-320 down the middle. I had a computer scientist figure it out for me. 1 degree open at 250 is 14 yards offline. I had him do it out to 350. 1 degree is 29 yards offline. This is why I said DeChambeau will never dominate. He should be hitting 3 wood off the tee. More room for error and hit every fairway. Then get regular length wedges and he could be there. Top 10 anyway for sure.
how can i fix this? i hate my bowed wrists, im trying to hinge the wrists but it throws off my backswing feels im 17 and its something i did when i was younger
Glad you want to fix it. I too did this when I was a kid. I hated it. Watch this one: czcams.com/video/uRWI8Mhnsa8/video.html Do the drill in there and work it back. I would be looking in a mirror down the line as well checking the face relative to the left forearm. Just work it back everyday and watch it. This is what I did many years ago.
What about the supination during transition that Hogan spoke of?
Was Hogan bowed at the top? No. Quit thinking about impact. Get the hinging and rehinging and you get the supination without thinking about it.
@@paulwilsongolf Great advice. I love how everyone thinks Hogan was bowed....NOPE
No idea how they could think that. He was cupped at the top and face open. That's why he wished he had 3 right hands.
What about Koepka who bows at the top and then slightly goes towards cupping on the way down and hits a fade?
Guess you didn't actually watch the tip. At 2:28 I show both DJ and Morikawa at impact with about 60 degrees hip rotation. They learned as kids so did Koepka. He would be no different (he has hip rotation). Now try to do that bowed position with minimal to no hip rotation. Good luck. In looking at his you swing it's pretty clear his hips are rotation but he is also holding it off through impact.
@@paulwilsongolf what a silly and snarky response. I watched the video. And asked a clear question because Koepka has specifically said in articles that he bows at the top and then he “lets it go” towards cupped just before he strikes the ball to produce his fade. But whatever you say.
If he is saying that then he is opening the face is he not? He is bowed and shut at the top. Then he opens it so the ball would fade. He also has to swing 100% every time. Remember the Masters last year? He was dominating. Rain delay. Took a break. In the interview after he said he way playing defensive. He started pull hooking everything. To try to fix the pull hook he started blowing it right and lost. Why was he not playing great for 2 years? He had 2 knee operations so he could not swing at 100%. So he needs to be firing his body 100% and hold off his release to make that swing work.
Everyone’s swing is different but u def don’t need a bow wrist to play good golf. Bow wrist set is more of a modern swing. I do often see junior players with a slight bow wrist but keep in mind that their clubs are much lighter, thus easier to manipulate wrist angles.
You need a lot of hip rotation to make it work (which is what I said in the tip). The average person (who learned as an adult) is facing the ball as they hit the ball. With a bowed wrist, and minimal hip rotation they will hook everything unless the hold off the face. To do this means hitting with arms and how is that going to work out for a 75 year old that is already locked up already hits it nowhere? I have seen junior players do this too going into now my 34th year. This is due to pulling the club back with the strong hand which bows the wrist. The difference is arm strength. They have minimal while those who learn as adult have a lot. With minimal arm strength you need to use the body to hit the ball which gives them the lower body rotation needed to square the face with the bowed wrist. If an adult can get 10 or 15 degrees hip rotation it's a miracle. So people who learned as adults are being taught something seen in some kids swings. Two totally different worlds. Plus, the best players of all time did not bow the wrist at the top. So, I will continue to tell people to not do this. After all, everyone has hit that one shot in their live 30 to 50 yards longer with a feeling of nothing. Why isn't everyone all over trying to learn that swing? Well, this is what I have taught since 1991 and will continue to do so.
Thank you for debunking this! I have see so many videos teaching everyone to swing line Dustin.
You're welcome. Just got to get people to stop trying things that will never work.
i don’t know how to change the bow wrist!!! it is easy for my hands to land there and I cannot keep a less strong grip in place! HELP!!!
Simple. You do the neutral grip then practice hinging it up then working it to the top. Watch this one. It shows you how. Also, follow my neutral grip here:
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Then:
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Keep in mind this is tricky and will take a little work. This means you cannot expect perfect shots right away. Tee up your ball. Use a 7 iron and become determined to fix it. Do daily practice swings at home no ball. Within a few days it should feel fine.
Great video but i would disagree on one thing the average 40+ golfer who would try doing this bowed wirst would not be hooking it at because that would mean the player actually rotated correctly actually they would have over rotated, that player would actually be going right everytime because like you said average over 40 player cannot rotate like the pros so they would never even get to the point to get the club face square or hooking it
the bowing of the wrist in most players happens as they are squaring the club on the downswing, rotating the shaft and getting the hands ahead of the club and into a forward shaft lean, without forward shaft lean there is no compression. . A bowed left wrist does effectively the same thing as a strong grip . If you are hooking too much then weaken your grip or if fading strengthen the grip. Bow the left wrist on downswing and you will not flip or come over the top, and you will compress the crap out of the ball.
So keep doing that if it works for you. As I said in the tip you need excess hip rotation to square the face. Just look at anyone who is bowed. They all have it. They learned as kids so they can do it. Do this as an adult and if you learned as an adult you will never turn your hips that much and into the future as you get older you will turn less and less.
@@paulwilsongolfif bowing squares your club face more, why would you need more hip turn?
Lots of good instructors on CZcams but You're if not the best close. It is the pragmatism that comes from a long career I think because this bowed wrist is recommended everywhere.
Thanks. Just sick of people not improving when I can get results in minutes. I bowed my wrist many years ago and all it got me was a huge pull hook so I know this will never work for ams.
Getting older sucks... wish I picked up the game at age 5
It sure does.
Good video although I would have to disagree with the arbitrary age limit of 40...I'm 44 and have no issues flexibility wise with hips and doing anything else (that said I have done a range of sports since a little kid).
I said over 40 or if you learned as an adult. Big difference between learning as an adult and learning as a kid.
@@paulwilsongolf Yeah fair enough Paul you explained that later in the video but 30-40 seconds in you referenced age only and nothing else.
I swear this man doesn’t age 😂
I am a cyborg.
Never going to work? I am 79 and bowing the wrist is what finally squared the face and gave me more distance. Never ever hooked by doing this. Also, I don't have a lot of hip rotation. So, it can work for some.
Take your setup then have someone put at alignment stick at your feet. I guarantee you aren't square. If you are okay with a pull/pull hook keep doing it. Just don't follow my loose wrists tips. If you are bowed with loose wrists you will get huge hooks.
My guess is you are going towards cupping on the way down. You bow at the top and then it cups on the way down. I had my swing tested and that’s what I was doing when I thought I was “bowing”
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Correct club hinge: 5:22 ish
For sure.
The bowed left wrist has become very popular with many prominent teachers. It feels unnatural to me and certainly seems to lock the wrist.
For sure. That's why I did this tip. I know what's out there and what the average golfer will even be able to do. This is one thing that will never work for the great majority of golfers.
I disagree 100%. Over 40, learned to bow wrist and have never hit more solid shots in my life.
Let me know when your 60. Also, are you doing that from square or pulling everything?
I agree with you as well. Bowing my wrist was the best thing I ever did.
Yes, bowing the wrist helped me also. I was using my arms alot in swing leading to slices if I didn't bow the wrist. Now when I use hip rotation thanks to Paul, I longer don't bow the wrist.
To me bowing the wrist is a band aid fix. Think about it. Bowing the wrist shuts the face. Imagine your average player slicing it then they bow it and hit some straight looking shots. They are going to think this bowed position is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then I come along and square them up and they realize that they are actually pulling it. Versus a huge slice this is better but to me this is still a flaw. I like people to hit it on target with a square face and square stance. To do this you need to hinge and rehinge properly and use your body properly. I never have a problem getting people to do both so I have no reason to tell someone to physically bow the wrist. I have had a bowed wrist at the top myself many years ago. For me this caused me to snap hook it because I was already releasing it. Put a shut face in there now I would actually have to tighten or lock my wrists to stop it from hooking. Now you get into face manipulation which makes it impossible to be consistent.
hackmotion encourages bow wrist on top of
This is dated. 3d data shows every good player moves towards flexion early in the downswing and towards extension into impact. Movement towards flexion early is a key shallowing move. Check out hack motion.
I know about hack motion. The tip was about being bowed at the top.
Please list all of the best golfers of all time who were bowed at the top (it's going to be a short list). Once there is a pro who is bowed at the top who could beat Byron Nelson, Hogan, Nicklaus, Tiger, Snead, Player, Faldo, Watson, Moe, Annika, Mickey Wright I may think about teaching people to bow it. This will never happen though. Sure, it bows coming down due to rotation but they were not bowed at the top which is what the tip was about.
i do this but no cus other golfers
no hooks just pulls here
That is cause you are holding it off through impact. Wrists are not loose. If they were loose you would be hooking everything. So what are you doing to fix your pull? You need to start your body first with the arms following. Follow: czcams.com/video/2rSmPExx4_k/video.html
I also disagree 100%! I’ve been playing for quite a while and Bill on my wrist is completely changed my sling. I am netting it all day long. I don’t know why you are telling people not to do this!
Well ... you either did not watch the tip or did not listen to the tip. I explained numerous reasons why in the tip. Do me a favor set up an alignment stick perfectly on target. Align squarely then hit some shots. I guarantee you are pulling/pull hooking it unless you started golf as a kid and have minimum 45 degrees hip rotation at impact.
1. It shuts the face. Can't have loose wrists with a shut face otherwise you will hook it off the planet. To stop the hook you tighten the wrists or aim right. Tight wrists as an older golfer you will literally hit he ball nowhere.
2. The best players of all time did not have a bowed wrist.
3. Bowed wrist is not dominating golf. Scheffler is (not bowed).
4. Need minimum of 45 degrees hip rotation at impact to square the face. If the average person has their hips open 10 degrees at impact that's a miracle.
5. Hurts most people's wrists (mine and my assistant included).
So there are a bunch of reasons. If it works for you and you like it keep doing it. I would never teach this to anyone.
Here's the video on Colin explain why he has a bowed wrist: czcams.com/video/jjKnEmo9WFw/video.html
Yes, that is one. If you listen to him he knows nothing about the golf swing. He is a feel player. Here is the Dustin Johnson one:
czcams.com/video/7EUNjvT1gPo/video.html 7:56
You put to much stress in your left arm an shoulder and it will cause you a lot of Pain. Over time it’s going to be very pain full later in your life
That too. It will be interesting in 20 years see how those guys are holding up.
Look at Dustin Johnson his knees are bothering him and that comes from his back and his back comes from should an neck
You must keep the stress out of your swing and that comes from a relax left wrist
I will keep saying it. This new swing will kill your body. Plus, people can't do it. I keep having to fix people all the time that are trying it. Great for my business. Look at Morikawa squatting to tee up hit ball now. Says it's preventative. Kid is 26. I would have never thought of doing that at his age.
For sure. Then you have a swing for life.