ACE Trucks vs INDEPENDENT
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- čas přidán 29. 05. 2021
- Recently I switched from Independent Trucks to ACE Trucks, in this video I'm explaining why & thoughts on my new ACE trucks so far. Subscribe: bit.ly/subscribezackdowdy
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8:15 aces are designed after the stage 3 indy. Stage 7 was triangle like a venture, while the stage 3 was thin and elegant. Sorry to do this, but facts are facts. Great video!
Thank you!
Another thing about ACE's is that the wheelbase is shorter and theyre a bit taller than Indys(at least on my setup)
I can ride 60mm wheels on 44s(Bones bushings with two washers on each set) and an 8.0 and still do "tech" stuff.
Biggest wheels I can ride on indys are 56mm(same bushing setup) and have trouble doing what I can do on the ACE setup.
Side Note: I rode Independent baseplates with ACE hangers for awhile(little over a year) because the ACE baseplates had shitty pivot cups.
Facts are facts- where are you picking up stage 3 indys these days? The new 12’s suck ass, the stock bushings are junk and indys metal are not the same as they used to be. So state that they are “based” off the best thing Indy ever did and did away with. Aces are #1 in 2021
@@MrLooseCheeks standard Indy are 55 mm tall standard Ace used to say 52mm now the site says 53mm Don’t know if now that the AF1 is out and it’s 53 they are now trying to say the Ace classics are 53 too so they don’t piss off anybody , who gots the real facts on this shit cause my AF1 do seem a smidge taller, anyhow Ace rule , that turn and that grind are better so Indy is starting get salty
@@MrLooseCheeks Super important info! Based on specs I woulda thought the indy was taller at 55mm and therefore better for bigger wheels. Is it the different geometry you think? Cause the Ace AF-1 is listed at 53mm tall right?
Really loving my new Ace AF1 trucks. They feel stable and the turn is great.
"Tight trucks saves ankles" - Chris Cole
Hence; don’t ride ACE
Loose trucks help land tricks
Fair enough
@@hukkerz and skate transition
As I won't be able to skate in the next few months, I was cleaning and fixing my skate. From old parts I made a "skinny" setup: 8.06 Crooked, F4 tablets around 50, spitfire burners and as Venture from the twentieth century don't turn I bought ACE 44 classic.
This was to motivate me to kill it in the physiotherapy to recover ASAP.
(Zach Dowdy)
Learn from your experiences, Don't hold yourself to crazy expectations, and be adaptable.
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I got a set of ACE - and this is good to hear about riding them tighter if need be. They are familiar to Indy and well built I'd say - so far.
I actually skate both brands and love them equally, I have a pair of Indy 144s on an 8.3 Creature deck, and a pair of Ace 55's on an 8.75 Antihero board, and I go back and forth between setups depending on what I'm skating.
How similar are ace to Indy, because I’ve been on indys for a while and don’t know if I’ll like the change
@@s.gordon1876 i just got a pare of ace classics and they are fucking goated
What type of skating do you use for the Ace/Indy's?
I recently started skating bigger boards. I went from an 8.25 to a 9, and from there to a 9.25. When looking at options for a larger truck I ran across the Ace 55 highs. They boast a 9" axle and a bit higher seat and a slightly less dense design that allowed the larger board to weigh a bit less and sit a touch higher off of the ground. This maximized pop and made a large board maneuverable doing flip tricks. I feel like they quickened the board response somehow. Now....these things are BUTTERY!! They grind just about anything! The turn radius is unmatched!! The only complaint I have is, there is a level a bushing blow out I haven't experienced with some other trucks, but, easy fix. Bushings are cheap! Did I mention I've ridden indys for 20+ years? Ace trucks are also a little more than half the price of independents. I'm sold. Ace is my truck of choice at this point.
Never had the bushing problem, been on my second pair of aces and switched over the first bushings to my second pair , agree with the rest!
Damn guys. I’m really curious to try these trucks out. Back into skating for last couple years. Started off with an 8.0. Then 8.25. Thunder 147s skated mostly flat. Now I like to skate transition and flat mostly. Im up to an 8.75 and that feels like a sweet spot for me board wise. I got Indy 159 standards on that set up now. It’s a heavy sucker. Im wondering if I should give Aces a shot next go.
@@southsideshenanigans ace is great for transition, look at the guys on their team ronnie sandoval for example, if you get the new a1 aces you should get the 66s if you get the classics 55 I believe
@@dompie247 really like Ronnie Sandoval dude rips hell yeah. I’ll set them up next time. And come back here and let you guys know what I think ! Just looking at pics I really dig the shape of them interesting.
@@southsideshenanigans hell yea dude!! Hope you’ll like them!
I literally ride every single truck
sometimes all at once....
(example)
current setup:
venture 3.5
krux dlk
Independent med bushings.
= Frankenstein
"the madness" syndrome 🧠
I used to ride Tensor and Destructo back in the day, then I made the switch to Thunder for the better part of 10 years now. I just bought my first set of Indys last week. They're a lot heavier than I'm used to but I like them so far. I used to skate a lot of transition but these days it's mostly flat ground and I have really liked them so far. Good video. Also; TIGHT TRUCKS CLUB.
Love your style man, always the highlight of my day when I see a new dowdy video! Hope to see you on some waves one day, keep shredding!
So funny dude... I had same reaction as you, 15+ years riding Indys till my friends convinced me to try ACE 66’s... man, tighter, more controlled turns - SOLD! I was shocked at the difference. Sick video, thanks!!
I've been on Ace 44 Classics for ~10 months now, after 10+ years on Indys. The main feature I like is, I can run them looser than Indys and yet get less wheel bite with the same size wheels/height. On Indys I was getting wheel bite just doing BS 5-0s on transition. The only downside to ACE for me is durability; I am going to grind to the axle way sooner than I would on Indys.
I bought a dead dave heroin deck, the 10" (mutant shape) but yeah, I already had a pair of 215's on my 10" black label, so I asked the dude at the shop what he thought I should try on the new board, I didn't absolutely need to get trucks, but I was down to try the new Ace AF1's I have skated since then, I ended up getting a pair of 77's and 66's because I like anything from 159's -215's, so yeah I had heard that they were dropping and that they were supposed to be more durable and had a few upgrades, I skate a lot of curbs, lots of Slappy smith's, lots of slash grinds, just a lot of grinds in general, I was actually pleasantly surprised that they actually do seem to be more durable, I like the feel of the grind, I could immediately feel a difference, I have skated a couple sets of the Ace Classics and expected the same feeling, but yeah I was surprised, not in a bad way, they're definitely harder though and more durable, and I am speaking from more than just feeling, I love grinding crusty gnarly concrete and love that Satisfying feeling I get smashing through the crust, smelling the curb burning, haha. I think that the durability was the only thing I didn't like, but yeah, I feel like I can trust the new AF1 Ace's, and for anyone who would prefer to stick with the classics it looks like they plan on keeping em around.... So I think that it's a win win for everyone, not going to bullshit anyone though, I love my Indy's, but if Ace makes an inverted kingpin truck and starts offering 8.75's and 10's along with the other sizes I might start to favor one over the other, haha. I really like the mid baseplates with stage 11 hangar's, I have all the sizes I ride in Indy with inverted kingpins, haha. I love em, I think that I might try to put a pair of Krux DLK's in my new Ace's, and see how it feels, IDK though, that'd be an expensive fuckup if something doesn't work out, haha.
having a more loose truck that turns well allows you to land trick better and easier. When the truck is tight, the momentum of your body is going in one direction, but depending on how your board lands, the momentum can be trying to pull you in that direction. When the trucks turn, you ride out of it so much easier. It has been a game changer for me. Good content Zack! also, are following kneesovertoes ? He will bulletproof your knees so you can skate FOREVER. I do his exercises all the time. ps ACE RULES
Been hyped for this one! I set up my AF1s recently but unfortunately broke my board and I'm going in for wrist surgery so it's been quiet for them for a minute, but I miss that surfy turn :(
Damn hope it’s a speedy recovery
I put thunder baseplates on my krux and it was fun trying something new. Which is important to switch it up once in awhile imo. Recently bought some mag lights and they are hella light and they have the smoothest grind iv ever had. Would suggest them to anyone skating low impact mellow skating.
They do grind good but if you skate street/concrete ledges or grind pool coping you will grind down to the axle about 10x faster. I skated 5 sessions and already were grooved more than my thunders that I’ve had for 3 years.
That's cool that you were sponsored by Tracker at one point. I would love to see a video where you talk about them. They make decent trucks, but I feel like no one ever really talks about them.
Tracker were one of the biggest trucks in the classic days of the late 70's.
I love how you say, "try something new, mix it up," and in the same sentence, "I will definitely be sticking with Ace trucks" 😂
First of all congratulations, and secondly I really enjoyed your review on the Ace trucks. I've been curious about them for awhile now and now I'm definitely going to be trying a set. Thank you sir and I enjoy your videos
Did the same switch with the OG 55's, I honestly have a real hard time riding my other board with indy's. The turning radius difference is insane
That skatepark seems like a perfect place to build some DIY stuff. Btw I just bought some ace trucks.. stoked to give them a try tomorrow
He's right. I used to right super loose Indys and now I ride medium tight Ace, and they turn amazing.
Congratulations on 20k! 😃🔥👊🏼
Thank you!
I tried ace classic 44’s. Way too turny for my liking. My indies feel stable, but still turn when i need it. Indies win for me! If i was more of a loose truck guy i could see the ace’s being great though.
congrats on 20k
Great reviews I subbed! Peace from San Francisco 💥💥
I just got a pair of 33s and i really love the trucks minus the stock bushings which i found really low quality. I had to swap my worn in bones cones to get a proper turning response. Other than that its a very nice feeling truck from a transition standpoint. carve grinds are so nice on them, although im expecting them to wear faster than thicker trucks like krux and indys.
the red re-threading nut fixed my favorite set of indy's. thank you. after quite an effort to skate the aces i returned to indy. the wheel bite is ferocious and correcting it with other bushings/washers left me with trucks that don't turn well. too muuch effort when i can skate indys without any adjustments. they look super nice though, that's what lured me in! if anyone has the setup perfected i would try it out.
Smaller wheels (43ish!) make them work for me, but I haven’t ridden the trucks very long. I loved small wheels before I got the aces or a big board, and it just works for me
If your set of Aces are the new AF1s, they will take a little bit to properly break in and not wheelbite as bad. When i first got my set, i was riding them with 56s and 1/8th risers and still was getting some bite but after a weekish they stopped doing that, while still being very loose and not wheelbiting as much as my old Indy 149s. Fastforward 6 months and I’m using the Aces with 57s and no riser, slightly tighter than they were before but still no wheelbite issues
I've been skating Indys for 32 years! omg! I got some Ace 44s for my Welcome - Ryan Lay board. I really liked them, although the bushings are crap! I still have a Baker 8,5 team board with 149 Indys and it's still my favorite. It's fun to try something new but won't be buying Ace again probably. Althugh i'd love to try Lurpiv trucks that are nowbeing made in Sweden by one of the Polar guys!
Did you buy the classics? I have heard people complain about them but the AF1 is apparently better. But I have never tried them myself. But stick to Indys.
@@depressing5978 It was the classics! Good trucks, but no indy!
What version of Indys ?
I grew up skating Dallas park. Score they had Thad skatepark me and my friends would bring Ramps rails boxes and even a fire hydrant every Sunday on the big flat cement track in the middle of the park. Best days ever
My hometown skatepark has a lot of Flat Ground, but it's proved essential, as allot of the young up'n'comers are getting their Tech Tricks Down solid!
Ya! That's the case with this skatepark as well.
I have tried a lot of trucks and skated indys for most of my time that I have skated (about 7 years). I tried out Thunders and they are a much more stable truck. I prefer them for my style of skating over the other big 2 (the big 3 is indy, venture, thunder) I can manual longer and find the sweet spot easier when I ollie or flip into a manual on a manny pad. I also have an easier time landing flip tricks with them. Only thing is they don't grind as good as an indy. especially on concrete ledges
What thunder trucks do you use?
I wondered about the Dallas layout. Thanks for some background.
Broke a kingpin on my 33 today :(. Put the hanger from the ace on a krux baseplate. It works but still too turny for me after squishing the bushings down to the max. No one wheel manuals for a while.
i recently changed from venture to indy, i like them might have to try some thing later this year
When I was skating, I had a couple of set-ups with Ace trucks. The principal argument was, of course,... 1. the dogmatic, "it isn't Indy..." and also... 2. It is just a re-engineered Indy stage II truck (which initially appealed to me because I preferred the aesthetics of the stage II, and stage II geometry is fine). 3. the old argument that the hangers would bend (they didn't).
Ace makes good trucks. Indy makes good trucks.
So you dont skate anymore?
@@versnellingspookie for medical reasons I do not, really, skate anymore
@@PMSTACKER3000 its good to listen to your body! But dont you ever miss it? Or have other hobbies and activities taken its place?
@@versnellingspookieFishing. I have knee issues that are irreversible, but I may try longboard surfing this summer.
Say what you want but ive never heard anyone mention either when they say "when i see someone with krux, i know the game of skate is about to be tough"
If only Ace had their own aftermarket bushings. No other bushings properly fit the AF1s and the stock ones are so squirmy it’s incredible. As someone who weighs 210 pounds I was almost getting wheelbit just standing on them 😂.
Should anyone read this I’ve gotten the Ace Hard bushings and with them I’ve switched to AF1s and am loving them. Indie is a great truck but Ace AF1s just have that little more buttery turn. Ace is my new go to truck.
Hi Zack which ace do you ride and how loose are they, I definitely would like a truck thats looser, new bushings keep breaking.
Aces are obviously designed for carving bowls. Independent are probably the best for streets (and overall) and Thunders for skatepark in general.
Have you gone back to Indys? I was wondering why ACE doesn't make hollow trucks though ? I think I'm getting 169 forged hollows skating 159 standards now. Do you compare this ace to a standard Indy as far as weight ??
I love my gold, Ace AF1 55s on my 8.5" Element Seal and my gold, Ace AF1 33s on my Alva OG#1. I have Indy 215s on my 10" pool deck but only because Ace doesn't make an '88' model for 10" boards. I never thought I'd switch from Indy but the Ace AF1s ride better!
Ace makes trucks for 10” boards
Dude, for reals I have a nasty bruise on the inside of my knee that’s always super tender from the no comply tail slide demon haha
I have some Indys 169s on my mss main setup that I just can’t get over, and I also have some ace 44s and thunders 145s I just rock them all for each set up, but I’d like to try some of the new AF1s in a 66 to really test my 169s loyalty
I ride ACE 55s and the new AF1 66s 7:54 It seems like you are still riding those 58mm. Cause you don't use risers, did you have to tight your trucks?
The Indy ad in November 1989 Thrasher featuring Christian Hosoi was the first time the slogan “I’d rather fight than switch was ran. It’s not a new slogan they came up with to take a stab at ace. It’s been around for over 30 years.
That,"Id Rather Fight Than Switch," motto is super old. In the 80s there was an Indy ad that said the same thing and it showed Hosoi with a black eye.
Are the ace really more turning / loose then the indies? I like loose trucks but can get the indies for an good price.
Thx and nice regards from Germany 🤜🤛
Loved this video. Even loved seeing all the falls haha makes me feel better about myself. But dude, definitely take your time with the uploads. If life is busy, don’t feel obligated to us. Take care of yourself. Keep it simple. Don’t burn out, and we’ll all be happier in the long term. Take care my man!
Much love Jason!! When I was editing previously I cut out all the bails, and started thinking "This isn't realistic" so glad you enjoy watching the process haha
@@ZackDowdy Really appreciate your videos AND def appreciate the fact you keep the bails in the videos - it helps to see how you bail and the way you get out of sticky situations just as much as the tricks you land. Thanks again!
Just got some 03 classics to try. If they didn’t make a low I would definitely never have tried them. 52mm sounds scary high
"I'd rather fight then switch" is an old independent truck saying from back in the day. I love venture and independent. Just depends on what kind of board or what type of skating I'm doing at the time. That being said I wouldn't mind giving ace a try.
Ain't that some marketing from Independent, Fausto is a genius!
Eli Williams Rides Ace .. so .. maybe .. 30 years of Indy's here.. may give it a shot. You put a mustard seed in my thoughts so 🤷♂️🤷♂️🔥💯
Love my af1's dont think I will ever go back to independents. One thing I dont understand is why the af1 and classics change up the sizing yet use the same numbers on both trucks???
I have both ace trucks and independent... I love them both but I am having a lot more fun on the aces. I might just make the switch to just ace
What version of Indys ?
Any chance for Zack to try the latest Tracker Axis trucks? That or the newest Ace AF1 trucks?
YES! Going to review & try the AF1 soon
Tracker B2 where my first trucks. They where the cheapest and they served me well. I think they are based on Indy🤷The axle came loose, the kingpin broke a few times, but I kept skating them. Then switched to independent. When I went up to 8.5 switched to thunders. The only thing they had in the shop back then. Switched back to independents because I like the way they turn. But to be honest I don't feel a lot of difference. Less wheelbite because of the height. Now I'm waiting on film trucks to arrive. First EU trucks, and I'm curious. Maybe try those?
I really want to try those film trucks for sure!
Guy recently broke his film baseplate at my local park
Ace is the best version of an independent truck! They turn amazing
2 top bushings in a pair of Indy’s and you’ll feel the best turning trucks you ever ridden.
so why didnt you back to Tracker? they are sweet
I skated indy for about an 10 years switched to thunders a couple years ago and never looked back. They grind way better And I don’t have to switch bushings out every time I buy a new pair like I did with indy
Which thunder truck did you use?
Chicago rollerskate trucks only way to go!
👍 That's why I love Tracker. I just found out that I am not cool. LOL!!!
Joey and Nicky are brothers.
I thought it was the Stage III. Got covered in Love Letters Truck Wars.
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Dude it is so true that skate parks completely neglect flat ground these days. I can’t even go to the skate park to practice my tricks because there is no flat ground. You’re just gonna get run over by some hardo. I mean there’s not even like a 20 foot space to practice your flat ground tricks. It’s like you can only go there to rip transition and then basically leave. I see a trend where parks are abandoning literally any flat ground space in lieu of “flow”.....and its like word.... guess I’ll skate in my driveway or parking lot and get kicked out instead
I know that jittery feeling.
Ace trucks, unlike Indys stage 11, turn like very old Indys. It's not everyone's taste but lately I enjoy extremely loose trucks with a sharp turning and for that Ace then Indys are the best I have tried. Let's see how long they last.
Indy, Thunders or Ace for my 1Setup? I wanna ride 8.25 or 8.5 deck
Indy
Off the shelf indy, if upgraded then Ace for me...The "white" stock bushing in the Ace truck is garbage, it started falling apart and getting binded almost right away I never had that issue with the "yellow" stock indy bushings, also the king pin in the Aces stick out, atleast for me(maybe I tighten more than other skaters) and get in the way for smooth grinds. So I didn't give up on them I put in some Bones hardcore bushings and got my grinder and took some material of the king pin and perfect!!!, they did feel better than my indys after mods, also don't know if it's in my head but the Aces feel lighter.
Try Thunders man! I just switched to Thunders from Indy and I'm loving it
which thunders did you switch from which indy?
ace are wayy better. they are the same weight but ace have a better turning radius, and feel lighter due to slightly narrower wheelbase but makes the boards with longer wheel base feel lighter up front when you pop. wish they made a hollow light version!
Nice Ngoho at 7:33
Those doors you said that are closed might be more open then you think.
Back in the day it was Tracker Vs Indy.
Oh boy do I remember those days, glad that time is past haha
*I LOVE The Tunes!*
Yes aces are my fav
They're so good!
Which wheels are those?
I wish I still had my B-2's
So former Indy employee goes and tries to best Indy at its own game, by taking a Indy design from years ago and redesigning them. Ace may get some market share, there is no shame in being second best, and it can be quite lucrative.
Edit: No hate to Ace, all good luck and vibes to them.
I went with Ace AF1 44...
I can only skate indys with aftermarket bushings. Anything else feels too loose for me.
when are we getting to see the slappy setup you wanted to do?
Soon!! I need some wider trucks
@@ZackDowdy got any idea what you want? classic 66s or the AF1 77s?
Im debating wheels for my slappy setup now. I hear smaller is better but the streets are so crusty here its gonna be hell.
@@lo0ser555 Yeah smaller is better for slappies for sure, but if the streets are so crust then that must be challenge! I was thinking about 215 indys but would love to try the af1 77s!
@@ZackDowdy ah 215s such an amazing truck. ride em on my transition setup so cant verify how they do for slappys. but hear people love em for it so must be good.
my only issue is that finding a deck that fits them can be challenging. a lot of shaped decks taper too much where the trucks are. but looks like the deck you got will fit nicely.
Out here the reason to switch to Ace trucks is simple:
A set of ACE AF1 = ~70-80
A set of Indys = ~90-120
Same reason I don't ride Spitfire wheels, the prices are just insane.
I got Aces cuz u ride loose and heard they were carvy. The stock bushings are insanely hard, and trying to use shorter, normal bushings has been disastrous. Anyone else found Aces to be entirely not carvy and way too tight even with the bolt falling off? I even bought a new set of their bushings in case it was a fluke.
Yea bro same issue, that white stock bushing is garbage, use bones hardcore bushings that's what I did and it makes a big difference but yea I thought they would be carvy loose but no lol, they feel better a little tighter for more aggressive street skating, for more carvy skating the Indy 159s feel best for me even does Thunder 151s feel like they carve more, the only benefit I see with Ace trucks is that they so feel light and grind smooth.
Indys are the way to go only thing I’ve ever ridden
If they’re the only thing you’ve ridden how do you know they’re the way!?! 🤷🏼♂️
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Ace originals stock bushings will not work for tight trucks. Unless I got a bad set.
What are you favorite trucks?!
ACES
When I first started skating I really loved Silvers because they had a cap on the nuts that would prevent the axel from wearing down quickly.
Then I've been switching between Indy and Thunder. Curious to try Ace now 👀 thanks brotha!
Thunder. Only weak point I’ve really had with them are the bushings
Independent 139 Standart 🤘💙🤘💙🤘💙🤘💙
Been riding Ace classics for a month and have no intention of switching back to Indy
Can you run bones hard bushings in the af1's?
Of course, running bones bushings in mine and there’s nothing better
@@Cruzing808 cool, how long have you had the bones hard bushings in the af1's? The reason I ask is they can start bulging out of place when you install them in some other truck brands. Cheers
@@cabaiste I have run bones bushing on Ace classics for 7 years and on the new Af1’s for 4 months or however long they have been out. Of corse you take off bottom washer and your good to go.
@@Cruzing808 ok good to know as I just got a set of af1's. thanks
Bones hard bushings are a blessing! Put them on everything. Daewon Song would tell you the exact opposite, though.
are you riding bones Wheels? those things be barking!
where do you work boss
I made the switch and I’ll be sticking with ACE
I still skate a Destructos 😂
that's rough
I had a pair left from years ago, I wore them out on a slappy curb. On an old pair of Stage 11's now.@@Spurgte
please put time stamps, for just the review.
Thunders!
Most trucks are pretty comparable, the only ones that really suck( but look cool af) were gullwing. Gullwing had that crappy Kingpin indentation that hangs up on everything. Not sure if you can get them anymore.
Truth!! I tried the only/new Gullwings
You can still get them.
ACE.
Ace vs Thunder ?
Tight trucks club 🎉
Gold af1 77s
Where do you get ace trucks?
Local skate shops & online. One spot to check is ParadeWorld as they're connected to multiple shops to source items from.
Support local skateshops before buying online. They are your skate family!
@@jokingker2553 no one has ace trucks by me...
@@ezrhino100 What trucks do you ride now? I have everything, and this is a joke. Ace is no better. Don't believe the ploy.
@@ezrhino100 I have skated Ace, btw.
Ben is very opinionated and it seems his personal preference and style of really informs his reviews to the point of being kind of blind to all the different types of skating/skaters that are out there
I disagree about him being blind to other styles and types of skating. He mentions these type of things often in his videos. I think Ben has the best product reviews out there. He's super honest about everything and does side by side comparisons and switches between truck brands all the time.
Ace for sure. Prefer classics over af1s
Ace for life, curious why you like the classics better ? 🤙🏽
Ace bushings are garbage for heavier riders. Split first day. I swapped them back for Indys w fresh bones bushings. I think the cost of the black takes away from quality somewhere else.
I rode Tracker as a kid. Some retro memorabilia right there. Don't see them much these days.
Best trucks are tensor either the mags or the mag lights