The Most Underrated Peak in NBA History
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Kevin Garnett is one of the most talented NBA players of all time... but he's also one of the most under appreciated. #nba #basketball #commentary - Sport
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Kevin Garnett was a monster. Those Timberwolves rosters were often horrible. Garnett was such a defensive savant & his midrange jump shot was viciously deadly.
The PFs in the 2000s were amazing & they almost all played in the West. Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Dirk, KG, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Rasheed Wallace, Pau Gasol, Amar'e Stoudamire, & Shawn Marion were all great versatile players.
Man those were there days.
you forgot Elton Brand
Reading your comment just nade me realize something. The nba has had an interesting descending history. First the league was dominated by centers for about majority of its existence, then as you mentioned, the PFs started taking over around the 2000s, then at some point I think the SF briefly took over before SGs and PGs exploded in the 2010s, and now I feel like bigs are trying to take that spot again with Giannis and jokic winning the finals, Joel becoming an mvp, and the young prospects in players like wenbenyama, chet holmgren, Anthony Davis (when HEALTHY) is absolutely dominant, kristaps (also WHEN HEALTHY) makes Hella noise too, Ben Simmons before he completely fell out. I feel like the age of big men are coming back and I love it lol
Man, the PFs in the West during the 2000s. If AD played in the West during that time, he would definitely ...
KG didn’t have enough to win in his timberwolf days he was a defensive monster and pretty good offensively if he was on a better team his career could’ve been looked at very differently
those timberwolves teams might have one of the worst front offices in the history of the nba. the fact he reached the wcf at all is crazy
yes. Even though i clowned them for winning only 1, Doc chokes, i really believe this too. If he was with the Kings here instead of Webber, he could have multiple Finals trip
I think the issue is he wasn’t dominant league wide at any point in his peak pre Celtics so his peak turned into a you had to be there thing. Something Like Paul George might be to kids who wasn’t watching basketball pre clippers PG
@@bizbaby I think defensively he was dominant in his early days
@@dimelo58it's nasty how yall change the narrative you act like KG wasn't dominated by Dirk for years in the playoffs and Garrett was overrated he struggled to get out the first round and couldn't win finals MVP over paul pierce. Yall hate KD for leaving okc and going to a winning team 😊
KG is my favorite player all time. Even as a kid born and raised in Cleveland, my favorite player wasn't Bron (a very close #2 though). His ability to just do everything on the court offensively, while arguably being a top 5 defender all time still leaves me in awe. He's locking down the 4 in my personal "one game to save the planet" type starting lineup. I see a lot of shades of his game in Evan Mobley, hoping he can ball out and take the spot as my favorite all time
Could make this a series? “Underrated peaks in NBA history”
He has a playlist called forgotten primes so if you want close to that for now you can check that out.
Best peak ever is 2003 Tim Duncan: all nba, all defense, MVP, finals mvp, went 60-22 regular season and DESTROYED( none of these series were close) the Dirk mavs, Kobe-Shaq lakers, and Jason kidd nets, while averaging like 27pts/15rebs/5ast/3blk in the post season. Man went crazy that year in the post season.
with a great coach and great team mates on his team
Definitely one of the best NBA commentators online you and many others pick up all the slack that ESPN and other sports sites give
I agree, I used to also watch sporting logically but I find his videos to be lackluster now
Watch Thinking Basketball. He has some really good discussions and also does series of players to analyze peaks.
@@youknowwhaaat329I agree I used to watch him all the time but now I never watch him
@@2kolbe010 yeah, I’ve watched a lot of his videos before
@@2kolbe010the goat haha
I feel like the main reason why KG's peak is often glossed over is the fact that the Timberwolves front office pretty much screwed any attempts of of having a contender team surrounding KG. They were caught in a drafting scandal that pretty much limited the caliber of players they can sign during KG's entire tenure and pretty much his prime with Minnesota. If KG was surrounded by actual good players, he might have won a championship with rhat team.
I think the reason his peak was passed over was that he was a defensive player who couldn’t stop Shaq, my main complaint with that was no one could stop expecting him to.
What drafting scandal?
@@isaiahwilliams2332 from what I remember it wasn’t a drafting scandal, it was a contract scandal. I forget who, but they signed him as a free agent to a small deal, when he was expected to get a much larger deal. That contract came with the under the table promise that they’d give him a large contract the year after. I believe the wolves signed him to another 1 year deal for 2 mil or something the year after, and the NBA investigated, found out about the under the table deal, and took a bunch of picks from the Wolves. I obviously don’t remember much so I’m just giving you the basic outline😭, but hope it helps
@@samkatsikas5531 thanks I don’t remember the player but I do know what your talking about
@@samkatsikas5531Joe Smith 1999
I find it really interesting that you can say something similar about his teammate, Ray Allen. I’d bet a lot of people’s first thought of Ray is him on the Celtics/Heat where he had a lesser role on championship teams. Not to say Ray’s peak was on the same level as KG’s, but I think a lot of newer fans see them both for what they were on those teams.
Ray was an excellent all around player in his prime for sure
Ray was on another level in 2001-2004
as a bucks fan, we got major love for ray i see way more ray allen jerseys around here then anyone besides giannis.
@@jetpackdd damn really?? I live in Australia so I’d have no idea
@@jetpackddLove AI but it should have been Bucks in the finals in 2001
Kg is in my opinion the third best defender of all time, and that with him being (in my opinion) in the wrong era. He was built to be a defender in this day and age where his incredible communication, off ball defense, and 1-5 switch ability would be best utilized. Thinking Basketball has a great video on just how monstrous he was on defense.
He would basically be a taller Bam, which is insane.
@@sheyarjames4904that’s actually scary asf😭😭 he’d definitely have the 3 ball too.. im hoping evan mobley can turn into something like that, but KGs mentality will never be replicated
@@kam_12_KG took long twos, he easily could’ve been a 3 and D beast
@@sheyarjames4904 I don't think that does him justice, more like Draymond, cover for everyone and everything, but in the body of Giannis.
KG is a top 4. He could play the 5 today, but he was too lanky to start ar Center in his prime. I think he was better at his peak than Giannis is now. He, along with Chris Webber changed the game as power forwards who had a "bag" where they could cross, hesi, tween tween and break your ankles.
I believe if Kevin Garnett went to the Lakers instead of the Celtics like how he almost did in 2007, he'd have at least 2 or 3 championships.
Kobe and kg would’ve been nasty 😳😮💨
@@tannko1503 Those mentalities put together👀
Didn't the nba put a stop on that trade?
@@NotSoOriginal06it was a chris paul to the Lakers trade
@@NotSoOriginal06no that was the Chris Paul one
That injury on the Timberwolves with Sam Cassell hurt them. There’s also the other incident..
Garnett was an excellent player at his best. One of my favorite players.
I just rewatched that Sacramento game recently, given how it's the off season haha KG is my all-time favorite player, and as 14 yo high schooler in 04, i can remember how i dealt with my first (and hardest) sports heartbreak when the Twolves lost in the WCF against the Shaq-Kobe-Malone-Payton Lakers -- unaware that that run would've been the furthest KG would have had in Minny. Thinking Basketball also has a video on KG's peak as one of the greatest.
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Minnesota KG was definitely a beast
Sad that most people think of kg as a Celtic because I guarantee Minnesota fans love and appreciate him more than Boston fans.
Even though he's not the greatest Celtic pf all time; that would be McHale. I consider him the greatest pf to play for that franchise. Just like even though Kawhi is not the greatest Raptor all time, he's the greatest to play for them prime wise.
But yes, KG's career will be remembered as a wolf
In a career spanning 20 years Kevin Garnett only had 7 playoff games that he ever scored over 30 points.
This is the real reason he rarely won in the post season.
KG offensive game was average for a supposed superstar player.
Simply put…..he didn’t score enough points.
Bro was tied for 2nd in the league in scoring in an era where big men didn’t score more than 15ppg. What are u talking about
This is the content I absolutely love - zeroing in on a known but not massively known player peak or team
I was a huge KG fan in his Timberwolves days. Not a Minnesota fan, but always kept an eye of them because of him. He always kept them a playoff team, they just never had enough to make a real post season push.
KG was a freaking beast. His ability and impact on the defensive end was ridiculous, like legit all time.
And on the offensive side of things? Dude was multifaceted and could get u buckets at a really great efficiency.
Def one of those "love him on ur team, hate him when hes on the opposing team" type of player, but he was also a leader.
Genuinely one of those guys where u can legit question how much he couldve/wouldve achieved had he had the same level of support as his compatriots all those years.
This might be the best basketball CZcams channel out. Literally the only one that can keep me interested during the off season.
Talent wise Kg is the best PF of all time. Fact is that He was relying on the jumper way too much and was not using left hand,spins in the post almost at all. Wolves back then had a slow paced spirit when it comes to the half court offense and you could fell asleep watching them like that. Garnett had a great game vs Lakers in his last season in Minneapolis and in this game he played like he supposed to but other than that,his talent was not used properly,by him,coaches,the organization-you name it.
AD more talented
@@GG-fy2bm close call,ad has more strenght but less explosivness and less character
As one from the same Town as Kevin G (Mauldin, SC) thank you for this video 🙏🏾
04-05 kg was crazy underated
One of the all time fantasy basketball greats lol
He missed the playoffs that year and the two years after
My Elementary school had a full size cutout of KG in the lunch room circa 1998-99. Every day I would grab my milk and shitty school lunch in absolute awe at the size of that thing...
actually the channel thinking basketball has a series about the greatest peaks in nba history. really cool videos and worth to watch fr
People still trying to raise KG's career long after he isn't in the league anymore, just like KG himself is trying to raise the Boston team from one title to a dynasty by talking.
It’s unbelievable how much fans of Kevin Garnett try to overate his career.
Thank YOUUUU SOOOOOO MUCH FOR THIS KG WAS THE MAN IN HIS PRIME
As a kid growing up around there having him show up in Minnesota made being a Timberwolves fan a lot more fun but also really frustrating watching them never put enough decent players around him.
He had bad luck: Marbury trade, Joe Smith punishment, Malik Seeley death, never resigning Sprewell...
Yes, Kevin Garnett is the most underrated player EVER!
I wouldn’t go that far
Dirk bullied kg in the playoffs
@@brandonhagin3 game sample size. KG still averaged 24/19/5 while triple teamed cuz he plays with plumbers. By your logic, Jason Terry is better than Lebron all time?
Head to head stats across 40 games, KG clears Dirk overall tho
@@kingdinodragonite3470 bro dirk swept him in the f playoffs you idiot had nothing to do with he's teammates dirk killed him 33 points 16 boards 3 block 3 steals with great shooting way better than brick machine kg stop being bias do kg have a finals mvp how about a unstoppable shot, plus 30 k plus lead two teams to the championship as the main guy kg has never done none of that
He had no weaknesses
Plus, never forget he was in the legendary 2019 film uncut gems. KG's legacy is definitely affected after that one
Kevin Garnett was called the big ticket for a reason. Timberwolves KG was a menace.
Aaa yea my favourite nbaer of all time . This guy and pierce mademe an nba fan in 2008 . After that i have watched an unhealthy amount of hours of kg highlights and stats . He was a gem of a player
KG is so underrated as a two way monster
The funny thing is I made a dude on 2k that I wanted to play like kg mixed with shaq. Obviously it’s video game but he was different mane.
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It isnt, maybe be casuals, but i consistently hear people say that Kg doesnt just have a top 10 peek, but a better peek than tim Duncan and kobe.
Thats not underrated, at least to me
Be the Dragon 🐉 He was always electric and always a great two way and all around player.
77-78 David Thompson
1+ blocks and 5 rebounds from a SG?
Not talked about in most all time great conversations because of duration but he had some amazing single seasons.
First time I seen KG was when he was on the 2k8 cover
Thinking Basketball ranked KG's peak #8 all time. Probably right.
One little correction, It's not Vlade DivaK, it's Divac C as TS
I agree, but it’s also why I think Kareem is underrated (peaking in a trash team he was good enough to drag into contention) and why it confuses my Jacob is always dissing Kareem.
The reason why Kareem doesn’t stand out as much to him is because he argues that the era Kareem dominated wasn’t very good (in general the 70’s is not looked back at very fondly admittedly).
He also argues that the MVP Kareem won where he missed the playoffs shouldn’t have gone to him.
Not to put words in his mouth, but I’m pretty sure he’d say those two things.
@@fortynights1513 I've heard both of those views before, and I think they're both a bit short-sighted.
Kareem was still *the* dominant force in the league after the ABA merger, so it's not like he didn't prove he was excellent at the time. There's also the fact that you can't simply say an era was weak, as it's kind of a self-defeating argument. If it's so easy to be that dominant, then how come no one else was able to to do it?
Kareem was the absolute #1 in his College days, which is about as even as you can get in terms of competitive balance, and was still elite in the mid-80s.
The idea that MVPs shouldn't go to players who miss the playoffs is a flaw with the award even today, not something that should be held against him. For instance: is anyone *really* gonna argue that Garnett was only at an MVP level the years the Timberwolves were high in the standings? The point of this exact video is that he was elite most of his career.
Where can I watch old nba games ? Other than the watch together nba playlist on CZcams
Biggest thing that hurt his time in Minnesota is they lost 7 years worth of draft picks in the Joe Smith fiasco. That killed the roster. The team selfishly held onto him because he was all they had but either he should have forced a trade sooner or they should have got him out of there a few years sooner .
I watched KG entire career. I personally think KG is a better player than Dirk but most people have Dirk over Kg cause of the legendary title run.
As a Celtics fan, KG is one of my all time fav players. He’s on the same level as Duncan IMO but never had the team to win multiple titles.
The modern big man is an evolution of what KG brought, he was the first "unicorn"
Dope video. I personally have Kg as the best Pf ever just because of his peak
Should've been the 2008 Finals MVP
Sucks that the wolves never recovered after their lone wcf appearance in 04 as they missed the playoffs from 05 onwards prior to trading kg
What other modern superstar player missed the playoffs for thee straight years in his prime?
@@Damianoutlaw damn good question!
watching ben taylor again huh rusty?
Should do one of Kevin Love
Nice vid!
Averaging 2.2 blocks/game and being 11th is just wild
There's my boy Trenton hassell.
In Serbia we pronounce Divac with that c kind of like a c in city but more hard. It's pretty hard to explain. If you heard of Vasilije Micic than the same way you say the first c.
My favourite player of all time, great video
Love had some big night in Minnesota
Yes, honestly I find his entire career is underrated. He’s 9th on my top 10 players and I keep being told I’m an idiot for that. Tim Duncan’s and Garnett’s career’s are so similar the only difference being Tim Duncan had so much help (I have Tim Duncan 8th). I also have his defence as the 3rd best of all time (Bill Russell, Hakeem, Garnett, Duncan if I have to have a 5th it would be Wilt Chamberlin who has a very overrated offensive but an underrated defence).
this is stretching it if you have garnett top 10 you have to have giannis top 13
@etanabu2232 why?
they have super similar careers@@T.H.E.O.R.Y.
@@etanabu2232dirk bullied kg in the playoffs
Wilt Chamberlain was not overrated offensively. He took would've won significantly more had he not played against the Celtics so many times.
His defense is arguably the most underrated all-time, specifically because his offense was so insane.
Gotta love me some KG
KG was in Boston for 5 years. He played 14 seasons. Thinking of him as a Celtic is pretty weird in my eyes. KG was a machine in MN in the early 2000s. Fans need to stop this ignorant thinking that the NBA started when a specific fan started watching it. Or not factoring in rules, pace, possessions, defense, and average ppg when comparing eras. This idea that 50-75 threes being jacked up in today's game is somehow peak basketball is flat out ignorant.
When are fans going to figure out that it's much easier to score now vs 10-20-30 yrs ago? Shooting 1-2 threes a game vs shooting 8-10, pace of play and spacing, rule changes, and no defense. Go look at the average ppg of teams in the 2000s vs now. Look at pace and possessions in the 2000s vs now. When you factor in the differences in how the game is played you should, as an example, easily see Lebron averaging 30 ppg in 2022 is the same as Jordan averaging 20 ppg in 2003. They were both scoring 25% of their team points in those seasons. But the average fan seems incapable of understanding basketball these days.
He cared about winning every game and that is what made me a fan since The TV wolves were so bad an KG got screwed out of some prime years with the tampering . I am from Wisconsin so The Bucks are my team and so to later on have Ray Allen and KG on the same team was I started watching Basketball more then Football. KG was the first "big man" that could and would do things a SG would do that I remember , I am sure there were others but yeah.
I care man
Either there's no sound or my phone is broken
Get of the video and go back on it
It's your phone bro
@@jabarwright4333 it'd not CZcams is a broken app/website
This dude has to be a Thinking Basketball fan lmao
KG is in my all time starting line up. Along with Steph, Lebron, MJ, and Duncan or Hakeem.
My favorite question to identify a casual instantly is if they think KG does not have a top 10 peak all time ( I have KG's peak as top 5 all time but advanced stats say he is top 3 but Im gonna get clowned for it even tho numbers do not lie).
Fun fact: In 2003, the Wolves are -15 without him (on pace to a 9-73 record). With him? They are a +19. He is the main reason that atrocious team in 2003 still won 51 games! Kobe and Shaq TOGETHER only won 50 games. That's how good he is.
It's videos like these that make me so sad Flip Saunders died. KG probably owns the Timberwolves these days if Flip was around to keep him and Glenn Taylor on speaking terms.
Yeah real underrated, not as if most people have him top 20 all time...
That is still low for someone in pure advanced stats that had his peak a unanimous top 5 peak all time.
He’s top 10
His peak is top 12-15 all time in reality
@@kingdinodragonite3470no
Top 5 power forward, top 25 overall. Great peak but the lack of winning brings down his ranking
Don’t forget the Sam Cassel injury in the conference finals
If u reduce defence and add being the best playmaker on a team or on even in the whole league you get Jokic
Rusty been watching LOW aka legend of winning
Spreewell was a good defender. They called him the landlord.
I think KG’s seasons In Minnesota get overlooked because of his lack of overall success there. He was in a ridiculous western conference and he often got overshadowed by the players and teams that were winning all the time ( lakers, spurs). People forget that he was runner up in MVP voting to both Shaq and Duncan and was even a DPOY runner up all before his own MVP season. Winning is what gets noticed the most and unfortunately that doesn’t always speak to the talent of an individual player or how good they really are. It takes a real to win.
How many players have been the best scorer rebounded defender second best playmaker, Giannis every year
Approved
My roll model
How people who weren’t around at the time have managed to revise history to make it seem like Dirk is better than KG baffles me. Prime KG was in competition with Duncan for best PF. That’s it. Got the biggest basketball contract in history at the time for a reason. He was the REAL DEAL.
Dirk taking a huge shit on KGs head in the playoffs is baffling lmao
If Sam didn’t get hit the lakers series would’ve been different.
It would be cool for one of you basketball creators to make a video about Ben Wallace. I think he was the greatest defender ever and was robbed out of 5 DPOY in a row by Ron Artest. He’s underrated but an important part of basketball and how defense impacts the game
You think he should've won all of his over Big Ben?
@@4392amtrak no. Big Ben should have had 5 in a row. Ron Artest stole the 3rd one and then Ben won back to back again
@SirBackPack oh yeah, you can make an argument for him that year. Just like you can make an argument that Dwight should've won four straight dpoys.
@@4392amtrak not just an argument. He was better defensively in every aspect of the game and the team was better defensively. They robbed Ben because voter fatigue
KG could have won more MVP, DPOY and Championships if he had played with another Superstar or more. He could have easily joined the Lakers or Build a big 3 anywhere and win right away. That's how crazy good was Kevin Garnett. He will always be in my top five NBA all time great. Jordan and Garnett with Kobe and Mcgrady or Giannis Antetokounmpo and Hakeem Olajuwon.
In terms of distance between eyes, Sam Cassell and DeAndre Jordan are polar opposites.
Is your channel based on the level Rusty Bucket Bay from Banjo Kazooie?
That era was truly the era of the 4.... Kg, C.Webb, Dirk, Timmy, Pau, Z-Bo, Jermaine O'Neal, even Juwan Howard.
Brand, Sheed, Boozer, Amare
@@4392amtrak facts. Like I said before it was the era of the 4's
Nice to see someone else mention KGs peak since most people do remember him while in Boston and he wasn't even half the player he was in Minnesota...His best player throughout his prime was Wally Swerbiak who is more suited as a 6th man not your teams secondary star...KG wanted to compete, he played defense, he put up points, had insane court vision he was the complete package he just never had a team around him...Cassell and Spree are ok but just think KG was so dominate that having slightly above average starters was considered "help"...What a waste of a talent he was better than Tim Duncan in their peaks obv not career due to situation but when i used to see KG move David Robinson while posting up you can see how strong KG was he was wire strong...Mind blowing that someone would have Dirk above KG those are mainly the people who never seen Minnesota KG cause ain't no way any GM was taking Dirk over KG NOT ONE.
As someone who chooses peak over longevity KG is higher on my all time rankings than probably most, I think he is the 2nd best PF of all time
The Minnesota Timberwolves: Wasting potential all-time greats prime. Now they will do it to Anthony Edwards.
When you gonna update your top 50 list
True NBA fans know that the only major difference between KG & TD is that TD got drafted into a competent organization.
KG was him, he's like pelicans AD but more intense
Underrated peak but the undisputed GOAT trash talker. Nothing was sacred for the Big Ticket lol
Big balls dance
Cough cough wade
shoutout to Rudy for editing this video?
KG, Ray Allen, pierce made the 1st super team with 3 superstars at their peak.. it was not LBJ
Would of killed it from the 3 point line.
Did you know that the Timberwolves literally drafted Ray Allen a year later from getting KG and they gave him up to Milwaukee SMH 😒😒😒
Ray was on the bucks
@@RLSmith-jt8qj yeah that's my mistake
Yoo good ish my man he really is jus as good as Duncan and is more skilled better shooter, ball handler , playmaker, and little better at defending on the perimeter