Turbo history, SR-71 engines, why Corvette C8s blow up | Speed School Podcast Ep 10
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Gale Banks is joined by Walt Ware, former president of Garrett AiResearch. They discuss the history of automotive turbocharging and how Garrett was forced into the turbo business. Walt also shares fascinating stories about working on the SR-71 Blackbird and F4 Phantom engines. Gale explains why people are blowing up Corvette C8s and reveals his next car purchase.
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00:00 Intro
01:21 Walt's early years
10:17 Oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico
13:04 Electrification is good, but diesel is here to stay
19:33 Almost died aboard an oil platform
31:33 SR-71 Blackbird engine development
44:10 Hot air intakes are for the uneducated
46:07 Why Corvette C8s blow up
59:16 Solving the SR-71 engine problem
1:10:15 Gale's 2005 Ford GT
1:15:12 Garrett's little-known turbo history - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I can only hope that some younger engineers get as inspired as I do at 62 with these podcasts. This is living history that translates to the now. All of it! Thank you so very much.
60 here, I too hope that young engineers are looking back to see the future. This is very interesting stuff here.
It does sir!
The problem with this Gale is I'm suppose to be working and have done nothing in the last hour and a half!! Thank you so much for taking the time to put your pod casts and you tube videos together, love your passion.
My problem is, I got up at 4 am to pee. Now it's 5:30. Riveting.
This reminds me of times of sitting around my grandpa's shop. Hearing all the guys old stories. Most guys worked at Lockheed together. They were all machinist. I liked to hear about the things they would sneak and make for their hot rods from scrap aluminum at Lockheed. Most had 30s up to the 50's. My grandpa was obsessed with chevys from 55 to 57. I've seen pictures where he had 30 2 door 55 to 57 chevy cars at any given time at his shop. Times got tough and his health got bad and everything was sold off. Down to the last car part. He never was the same after his last car which was a slick 55 2 door 210. With a sbc. Easily a daily driver. When it was sold. His spirit was broke. He's not with us anymore. But I really enjoy the chats you have your guest. Great content too.
You can learn a lot from an old guy like that.
Thank God you guys are preserving these incredible stories. Priceless windows into times where much of the development work was done on foundational technologies which today we take for granted. Keep it up, Gale!
Very educational thank you, You hit the nail on the head with the phrase social scientists. We need more voices like yours in mainstream media , people who have a technical knowledge based on reality not idealism.
Now that's some history. I can't wait for the other parts of this interview
Thanks again Gale! These shows are priceless.
What a great story about the beginnings of Garrett. Preserving history right there!!
I'm listening to this as I'm driving down the road, in my Series 60-powered Peterbilt, listening to the Garrett GTA4702BJNS sing her song through the breathers, in the background.
I am not going to pretend to have the ability to build a jet engine or pass college, but I do understand density, and guys who look at the wrong number to achieve something they can't. They talk boost, changing waist gates, intakes and fuel delivery. They are missing the point of how the ICE works. A self taught farm boy who apprenticed in a two man home build concrete shop, I learned what works and what don't. I always wanted a career but given nothing wish I had an uncle I could learn from as this conversation today is history. It will live forever.
About 32 miles down the interstate is an SR71b in the SAC museum but never made the trip. Cost to get there and walk thru the door.
God bless both of you and contributions to the "Go Fast" industry.
DK, ASE master 1978
Y’all need to make a video about the new laws that involve emissions. We need your take on these.
This is the good stuff! Thank you so much for sharing this, Mr Banks. True pearls of wisdom.
The cobra that Cosby had was a twin Paxton supercharged 427 that was Carroll Shelly's personal cobra.
Always enjoy these! Love the stories, maybe even more than the information.
The amount of pure knowledge between these two is amazing
It never fails to amaze me how Mr. Banks can make very complex principles so intuitively clear.
I could listen to this all day! Thanks to all!!
Gales gotta tell about the Banks Turbocharged DeTomaso Panteras, as one of those barnfind shows found one of them rusting away in some shipping container
By far the best podcast to date. I want to share it with everybody!
Thank you! You'll love Pt 2 with Walt.
Gale and Walt, you are both phenomenal and the combo of you two makes the best podcast I have come across❤
I could listen to these guys all day. I still remember that old vid of gale "You can't go to bed at night, and DREAM f the power a turbo can give you!"
F4 Phantom was a hell of an aircraft. Tough as nails. SR71 is a beauty in its own world. Nothing else like it and I love it. I built a model of the Blackbird back in 1969 and the model was really cool. You should read about Smokey Yunick's treatise and his experiments in hot air going into the engine. Hot air can be great. How about an Iron Duke engine with 88k miles on it and putting a turbo blowing into a supercharger on it and keeping the air temp at 305F going into the cylinder with no detonation and 250 hp out of that engine with the only changes being in the ignition advance and fuel delivery. Yay Smokey!
Thermodynamic system modeling engineer for Centrifugal compressor chillers. Think is spot on. The fact compressor manufacturers don't put out unitless (theta/omega/mach) compressor maps or worse don't put out maps at all blows my mind.
If you are a real engineer developing engines and engine platforms, most won't play ball unless you're an oem with oem quantities.
Essentially if you want good maps... you have to build a electric driven gas block and map em yourself.
incredible insight as always!!
I got recruited to work for Schlumberger straight outta trade school. Ultimately I decided to not take them up on the offer but I sometimes wonder if I should’ve. Awesome pod cast and thanks for all you do and have done for the wonderful world of automobiles.
I saw an SR71 in the flesh at Duxford in the UK getting on for 10 years ago....I was always interested in the engineering & frankly crazy facts which I had read but nothing prepares for actually seeing the thing up close. Abosoultely incredible & mesmerising. A little more impressive than my twin turbo LS!
Great podcast. I really hope, Mr. Banks wrote one or even some books to spread even more they knowledge.
Wow! What a treat hearing about the SR71!
Have either of you followed Reaction Engines? Imagine an SR71 with a Precooler and a rocket stage using a centrifugal compressor instead of an axial one.
In sucks so much heat out of the upper atmosphere that the Precooler freezing is the biggest challenge.
All to get to orbit with a single stage space plane.
BANKS IS this legendary icon that we will never have ,,, ever again in History.
SR-71's are amazing. I don't care much for most military history stuff, but that is a phenomenal aircraft.
How does this not have 100k views?
I worked on Turbodyne electric augmented turbocharger rotors, winding carbon fiber sleeves over the permanent magnets bonded to the shaft. This was years ago, around 1987-1993? Then an offshoot of Calnetix who worked on the F1 hybrid electric energy capture/dispense system. Then the “electrified” turbos came back. Very nice to see that Garrett is working on possibly offering one commercially?
I'd heard a story somewhere that they used the baby all alloy Buick V8 for the ground engine starters & then moved to the bigger 400 motors once they used them all up. They used all of those up too apparently! A rev limiter may have been a good investment!
Excellent talk, thank you
Looking forward to this one!
As always the best education is from the best research and development team. BANKS! There is no substitute. 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
I really enjoyed listening to these two legends. I could hear them all day. Thank you Gale for all the things you do to share so much critical information with us. You truly are an amazing humble legend that people like me grew up listening to. Most people may not realize you have probably forgotten more than I’ll ever know! Thank you sure for breaking things down in a way regular people like me can understand and learn from. Great job sir!
The Lockheed YF12! Amazing stuff.
Almost matching shirts guys !
I wonder how an EV motor and battery podcast will go 10 years from now. Will the subject matter include where does the electricity come from and the lithium come from? Will it include how do we find the needed power during nighttime hours for recharging them? Battery amperage? Computer chips that manage the battery cells? Motor types? We'll see I reckon.
Oh yeah, this is gonna be goooood!! 😎👍🏻
Being a young gun, the best advice I've learned as a mechanic is that the previous generations of mechanics had a lot of common sense and these guys now guys just care about hp or boost. My biggest question is, if you can't get it to the ground and make it stick, what good is it? Haha
I was talking to my uncle about using water injectors to make a naturally aporated engines burn hotter. For the older ones of course. But you couldn't do that very long of course.
I want to know their opinion on hi temp coatings for various engine components and turbo housings internal and external how much extra life and performance can be gained by hi temp coatings?
Pure gold!!
What knowledge !!💥💥
Now, 12 more 3 hour episodes on the blackbird!
At 1:11:18 what mid engine car they want?
FWIW the Cosby Cobra had twin Paxton superchargers, I believe it was 800hp.
love the nostalgia
Glad you Gentlemen are outing EV’s. I have been looking into Jim Hall also. Did you Men know him?
Wow!!!!! Can't wait until the next conversations come out! Please tell me you have a series on PW and the SR somewhere. I would love to contact you and talk. Gale, could you please ask to see if he has time to chat planes? I would love an email or personal phone number. Fascinating!!! Love every video you put out!!
Corvette had a 315 hp 283 fi with aluminum heads but the heads had defects and were recalled and replaced with cast iron heads which were rated at
290 hp. The early 327 ci with fi was 360 hp and the 4 barrel version was 340 hp and the later version of the 327 was
375 hp with fi and the 4 barrel was 365 hp. All were solid lifter high performance
cams.
I think Caroll Shelby made 2 427 twin Paxton Cobras . I believe they had 3 speed c6 automatic transmissions.
1 for Shelby and Cosby bought the other.
Light weight short wheelbase overpowered car. A professional driver
would have difficulty controlling that
monster.
speed school with greg banish would be awesome
Complete street performance has addressed the C8 Intake air with their inner chiller.
Love my M177LS.2 v8
Heck yeah!
A real SR 71 can be seen up close along with it's APU and other goodies at the Pima Air Museum.
About 20+ miles south west is the Titan Missile Museum.
If you are looking for votes on the Top Fuel Project podcast from 85 please count mine as a YES!!!
Twin supercharged by Paxton called the Super Snake 2 were made.
nothing to date even comes close to the J series engines for the SR71, basically it was in the making in the mid 1960's ,which replaced the U2 plane, yet the advances in cross radar imaging, was never put into place till they released what they can do via NASA and the first flights into space and the heat shielding on the return vehicles and Hastelloy was one of those alloys used with extreme heat in fact the heat shield on the after burner rings are made from Hastelloy alloys and also used on landing gear and the same with titanium as well. :)
Fairly sure this is correct . The SR-71 starter cart had two Buicks in it . Not 455, but 430 or 4 hundreds . Later, due they literally could not find enough Buicks, Big Block Chevys .
a-12 + sr 71 flew from 1962 to 1999. bound to have been some variance. would've started with some late 50's stuff, the j58 engine itself was first ran late 50's.
officially the starter unit used two 401's. they could've switched them to whatever I suppose. the starter isn't exactly rocket science compared to everything else.
they just started using compressed air later though with a thingy.
Rather than aspiring to be Pat Mahomes or LeBron, kids should want to be one of these guys.
4👍's up Mr POWER thanks for sharing r
I got a 50 plym 4dr. If anyone wants it? Idaho falls
You reference the benefits of "Ram Air". Please answer one question. Referring to your so-called "Ram Air", at what vehicle speed does your typical Banks "Ram Air" box exceed atmospheric pressure at sea level and around 70 F?
Aero drag becomes important at 50kph/30mph. Anything above that may be noticeable for Ram Air, though only a dyno would notice
Gale set up a speed school with Elon to here his opinion on EV that would be some crazy conversations
1:01:24 100hz? Or am I crazy?
If I saw someone with a licence plate YF-12A I would definitely stop them for a chat. 🙂🇦🇺
SR-71 Start cart started with 425 nailheads then transitioned to the 455
They ended up with 454 Chevys but the crews found them fragile compared with the Buicks. The Buicks could start from cold and go straight to full power
The metals used in aircraft is nothing which the normal people can get, which is why those engines are so well made and with reg servicing they almost last forever, the metals used in average automotive is 80% less cost effective for long term usages, if they were to use aircraft metals to make automotive engines, then we would have engines with reg servicing last for 30 years? WOW engine frequencies' was done way back with nicola tesla, if he could bring down a metal bld with the right tool, then you make sure that the engines own running frequencies, then it will last longer has well?
Hopefully Walt wasn’t the main man behind the TF30 in the F14
Bettrr we r tie it to sr
Those old Formula 1 engines over 1000 horsepower had rocket fuel that was acidic.
Bro has a YF12A license plate… what a pimp.
Bills album 200 mph
@ the 56:09 mark, think of AMG, well think of RIMAC and what the croatians have made, they have made engineering to the next level, way beyond TESLA and now its the fastest growing industry in the world, in fact the company has sold most of its tech to Bugatti and Porsche, so just think of AMG and just how much RIMAC tech is in that new gen engines and eev powered AMG cars? The |ONE is a perfect example of this?
Call cleetus mcfarland and he can spread your word and you can help him not blow his eng
😳😳😳
Electric vehicles......👎
Correction, the Shelby Cobra cars were twin Paxton supercharged. Only 2 produced.