HOW TO BREAK IN A TORO SUPER RECYCLER ENGINE FOR BEGINNERS
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
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HOW TO BREAK IN A TORO SUPER RECYCLER ENGINE FOR BEGINNERS. I recently bought a 2023 TORO SUPER RECYCLER and its time to BREAK-IN this 190CC ENGINE! Doing a PROPER ENGINE BREAK IN will help this LAWN MOWER run its BEST! In this video, I go over how to set this engine up with oil, how long to run it for and how to CHANGE THE OIL after the BREAK-IN procedure is complete! Is there anything FLOATING in the oil after the mower is run for the first time? LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!!!
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Thanks, I really like that funnel and could have used it on our Cub Cadet LTX 1046 KW where they put the oil filter in an awkward place. I will be ordering the "Lawn & Garden" model.
@@cwcole you’ll find a million uses for it! Trust me!
Thanks for the great way to break in your toro mower. I did what you said and the oil came out dark grey. I was amazed how dirty it was. Take Care!
Definitely dirty! Your mower thanks you Lunaticred! 👍
I've used your advice, ran the engine for 30 minutes, used a 12 volt pump to suck the old oil out having it tipped to the oil drain side (IT was very dirty). Refilled with new oil and plan on doing again at the 5 hour mark.
Smart move Michael! Thanks for sharing!
i just retired and now have time to do my own maintenance around the house ... thank you so much for your playlist on the experiences you have had with your 23 toro ... what an EXCEPTIONAL HOW TO on what to do regarding lawnmower maintenance ... i will reference it often ... once again ... THANKS !!!!
Awesome Bob! Congrats on retiring! Enjoy the mow my friend!
I love changing oil! I think im weird! 😂
Right there with ya brother! We’re a special breed! 👍
Same here
I hate paying for it though 😢
I just did the oil change after the first 30 minutes of running and was shocked, it was just like yours! So glad I saw this video before I got serious with the mower!
Smart to do this my friend! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the information. I just added an hour meter to our new Honda HRX217HYA to help track maintenance schedules. I'll probably do a similar break-in oil change after the first use. We live in the Southern Tier of New York (Binghamton area), and I have always used straight SAE 30 in mowers and warmer weather equipment. 5W-30 in the snowblower. I have been using SAE 30 in our 1997 John Deere JX75 for years and it doesn't go through any oil. I'm interested in opinions and what others use and have had success with.
This is all great information craig! I have used 5w30 full synthetic for a very long time. A mechanic I know has been working on small engines for over 40 years and told me to run 5w30 full synthetic in most equipment. Has never steered me wrong! Those jx75 mowers are amazing! 👍
Good advice. Even in an automobile it's good to do an early oil and filter change.
Agreed! Thanks for watching
I’ve been doing these recommendations to my lawn equipment and I’m happy with the performance. Thanks for the good videos recommendations sir!
Awesome Eugene! Smart to do it! Thanks for watching my friend!
Hey just subscribed and love the Toro videos. Just bought a Timemaster today after 30+ years of Hondas - hoping to reduce my mow time and increase my deck drinking time ! Question- Before I use it what, if anything, do you recommend to spray under the deck to reduce grass buildup ?? I’ve heard the grass buildup is a major issue with the Timemasters. Thanks and your right that Toro manual is a bit of a joke.
Hey Pete! I would use slip plate to coat the bottom of that mower. Here’s a video on how it does! HOW TO PREVENT GRASS FROM STICKING TO YOUR MOWER DECK WITH SLIP PLATE DRY FILM GRAPHITE LUBRICANT
czcams.com/video/szCSilneYSQ/video.html thanks for watching! Indeed that manual does suck lol!
Great advise about not filling the gas up to the top, I mistakenly did that yesterday with my 2023 Honda HSN mower and it started but surged like it had a dirty carb. Resolved by opening the cap and running for a few minutes and it ran perfectly afterward.
Yup, it prevents the cap from venting properly.
Hey gpal! The manual states to fill to the bottom of the pipe. Need some room to breathe. 👍👍thanks for watching
Thanks for sharing Smallblock
Hey JB, I bought this mower last summer and love it. My only gripe with it is that Toro made the front wheel track width narrower than the rear causing you to have to overlap your passes a little more than normal. Any idea why they made it that way?
Hey Stan not sure why! I’ve seen a few mowers that way over the years! Aggravates is OCD people lol! Thanks for watching bud!
I bought a Honda 536 HRD, I tried it on Saturday and it's great, especially the system for stopping the knife when you empty the basket so you don't have to constantly pull the string. By the way, I'm from Croatia, your videos and recommendations are great. Thank you especially for this video, I don't know why they don't tell us that in the store when buying. I'm going to quickly change the oil and buy a meter
Hey Sandro! Very cool you are watching the videos from croatia! Smart to change the oil right away! Have fun in your garage my friend!
It's actually quite amazing how long these toro's last even if you don't break it in period. Grandpa had a toro for 15 years. Never changed the oil. Ran like a Corvette. Retired her last week.
Thanks for sharing my friend!
It’s amazing how dirty that oil gets after only 30 minutes! That Toro super recycler looks like a great machine JB. Not to sure I like the oil changing position. I guess you have to have the right tools. Have fun cutting the lawn today! Great video as usual bud! Enjoy the weekend!
Pretty wild how dirty is gets so fast! I’ll be running that mower sometime in the next week! Great weather we had this weekend! Hope you got outside a lot and enjoyed it as much as you could! Snow this week 🥶
Yeah I did. Actually cut the back and front lawn again. Have a great week buddy! Snow...ugh! Thus storm that just rolled through too. Power is out here but my generator kicked in. Hope you're OK by you.
@@jaybooth4815 all good over here! We’ll see what old man winter has for us tomorrow. 👍
I’ve got the 2020 Black Super Recycler with the Honda clone engine. Very happy with it. Still have a 2003 as well.
Nice my friend! Great mowers! Lawn season kicking off by you?
@@GarageGear Almost here.
Nice work, and great job showing how dirty that oil is after such a short run time. I would do pretty much the same as you but I would cut with it for 20min then change the oil. My theory is under load the throttle plate opens allowing the engine to take larger gulps of air. With more air in the cylinder the compression stroke forces the rings to seat better. I have never bought a new lawnmower or a new car as I always buy used on the cheap, but I once had a Honda Integra Type-R motor built by some of the best Honda engine builders in America, King Motorsports, the Mugen dealer. I had $9k into that engine with the Mugen manifold.
I had to drive the new engine home from Milwaukee for the break in, and I was told by the builder to beat the snot out of it and vary engine speeds and load during the 60min drive home. I was literally told to rev it to the 8700rpm rev limit under full throttle, and then get out of the throttle at 8700rpm to create vacuum to pull the piston rings up after they were force down under load at full throttle. I was also told to change the oil at only 200mi with conventional oil, and again after another 1000mi. Regular 3000mi changes after that.
Thanks for sharing this Eric! My brother would do the same on his cars! 👍
Thanks a bundle for that information, Eric (I did hear that from a stock car driver decades ago who broke in engines at 12,000rpm). I bet it would help on even a non-ball bearing engine like the Briggs (nobody can touch JB for loyal oil changes). The old OHV Suzuki 4cycle Toros have a chromium compression (top) ring (like NASCAR lol) and a ball bearing on the crank for even better longevity, which is why one broken in properly blew my mind after going 6,000+hrs and still had adequate compression. Full-load break-in for the first 15hrs is what I would whole-heartedly recommend (then just run it however afterwards).
@@campbellpaul good information here Paul! Did not know that about the Suzuki engines! Thank for sharing!
@@campbellpaul Hello Paul, I seem to bump into you on all the good small engine videos. Those Suzuki 2-cycles have a chrome plated top piston ring too. In the years since I sold that Type-R engine I have heard another break in theory that seems to make since. It involves heat cycling the engine. The first start run it for only 10-20min after it reaches running temp, then shut it down and allow it to fully cool to ambient temp before running again. Then do it a couple more times. The theory is that the piston expands during warm up and that is when the most wear occurs.
Re: NASCAR. In the early 2000's some NASCAR engine builders were using factory Honda Type-R main crankshaft bearings as they were better than the American race bearings. Yes, Honda 4-cyl bearings in full-race domestic V-8's. Sounded crazy then, and still sounds crazy today. The bottom end of the 97-01 Integra Type-R motors were 100% safe to 9,500rpm as they came from the factory. Top end was only good to 9,100 until valve springs and retainers were upgraded. All that and they did not require a tune up until 110,000mi, although it was much safer to change out the timing belt at 70k. I sold mine at 63k and the buyer was shocked to see how much compression it made as I had the compression upped to 11.6:1 from the factory 10.6:1 with head work.
@@WisconsinEric The connecting rod also expands, thus you should break it in at a slightly higher RPM as to develop a cylinder ridge line higher in the cylinder. Of course, if you exceed the worn ridge line on an older engine by upping the RPM, you can break your ring(s) on it (you know that, though-- I'm just stating it for anyone else who may read this).
Toro 21 565 with the Brigs & Staton . Did all that & more only went 2.5 years - motor just went boom, no compression, oil is trashed
Oh man! Thanks for sharing this with the community!
Break in period went to Broken Period. A look in side reveals exhaust valve jammed open. Cylinder wall look brand new, but oil is cloudy & sparkly. Was running at fast idle- popped & quit.
@@no-hndle wow! That’s crazy!
Thanks for the advice. Just finished the break in and oil change on my new Toro Recylcer.
Awesome my friend! Thanks for sharing
I recently bought the lower model Toro recycler mower (21442) which is not the "Smart stow" mower you talk about in this video. Toro actually advertises all of their current mower models as NEVER needing an oil change. A VERY questionable claim to be sure. I used the mower for about 4 hours on the HD 30W oil included with the mower. I changed the oil and it was nowhere near as dirty as the oil in your video after 4 hours of use. After this break-in period I always use full synthetic 10W-30 (an alternative weight oil recommended in the owners manual) motor oil in my lawn equipment. I change the oil at the end of every season. I have a 25 year old John Deere lawn tractor with a Kohler engine that still runs like new.
Thanks for sharing!
I got a 2024 toro recyler and I did a engine break and changed the oil
Thanks for sharing OPE!
Re-watching this vid JB 😅
Prepping my replacement super recycler mower, fingers crossed that this one is not a lemon. Lol
Hopefully you’re all good with this one my friend!👍
Hi JB, this might be a little out of your realm, but I'm looking at trying out the SuperTech 2-stroke oil for my 2000 Mercury 60 HP oil injected fishing boat. I know you like their 4-stroke oils. I've used the Quicksilver oil ever since the engine was new, with no troubles. But, it's also almost 50% more. I was just wondering if you've had any experience with it. I DO keep my boat in the garage, so technically it IS Garage Gear. 😂Thank you!
Hey Jay! I assume it’s good oil but never tried it. Never had the opportunity. If you use it let me know how it goes.
OK JB, thank you, will do.
A question for you JB. I bought a toro timemaster 2 summers ago with a Briggs engine. It was coming into the fall, so I didn't mow a whole summers worth. I added oil and just started mowing and never changed the oil until next spring. Now after I mow a few times, it always seems like the oil level is low. I run just regular 5w30 oil. It runs great and doesn't blow out any smoke as might if it was burning oil. Could I have messed up the engine by not changing the oil after the breaking period? Another question, should I drain the gas out of either the snowblower or the lawnmower before storing it? I use non ethanal gas. Thanks. Glad to see you made it back from paradise.
Hey Karl! I would start by draining all the oil out of it. Tip it and drain it and let it sit over nite. Get every thing out. Then fill it up to the right level and watch the oil level over a few mows. See how it does. I would definitely drain any gas out of your lawn equipment before storing it. Let me know how it goes.
@@GarageGear thanks for the info. I watched how you drained your oil out of the new toro, should i drain the oil the same way on the timemaster?. I have just tipped it on its side. I think that is how the manual says to do the timemaster, but I will have look at it again. You mentioned using synthetic oil in the mower. I always use synthetic in my vehicles, should I use it in my power equipment? thanks again for the info
@@karlshomeremodeling123 hey Karl! I syphon the oil out my timemaster. That machine is too big to tip in my opinion. Smart stow models get tipped like that to drain oil. I pretty much always use synthetic oil in my machines. They all run great on it! 👍
@@GarageGear thanks
I have been doing what you suggested for years. Also, I have always use Synthetic oil in my machines. When would you consider buying a new lawn mower ? One Toro I have is 14 years old and the other 9 now, both still run with some minor rear wheel drive issues. Thanks for the videos, and all the best.
When the engines or deck completely bust. Lol! When major parts fail and repairs outweigh the cost of a new one that’s usually when I’ll buy a new one. Thanks for sharing and watching Jerry!
@@GarageGear Thank you for the reply.
Hello!
From my experience over the years and including with Honda's 160 cc and also B&S etc, I recommend the Amsoil Break In SAE30 or the ZROD 10w30.
Then the Small Engine Oil 10w30 or the XL Boosted.
Absolute winners in terms of protection against overheating and a smooth start and lower consumption.
Fact : with my Honda 2417 tractor I can drive about 40 minutes longer on XL Boosterd compared to using Castol 10w30 or 5w40.
By the way, the ZROD works absolutely excellent in the makita four-stroke leaf blowers. Which are sensitive to wrong oil and fuel.
Finally for small engines I recommend Aspen Fuel.
JB Ty. I have a 12 year old Craftsman Platinum 7.5 she runs with blue smoke.
I changed the oils but she still blows blue smoke. The engine runs good powerful runs high.
Do you think I should try and flush the motor oil.
Or do you think the engine has had its day.
You’re burning oil my friend! Oil is getting past the piston rings and burning I believe. May want to get her into a shop or sell her for parts and something newer
Good stuff! Any chance of getting a full review on the Toro? Still debating between top of the line Honda or Toro super-recycler?!
Ill have a full review coming sometime in the next month or so. Stay tuned yev!
Love this video it looks like this mower comes with a mulching blade is there a high lift bagging blade that is recommended for this model?
Glad you like the video! Don’t know off hand about the blade, but this mower does a great job right out of the box.
I have the all black version, I use amsoil small engine oil I ran it all season last year then changed it this season, looked like yours and started first pull
Thanks for sharing James!
That is exactly what I have done with all engines , even in new cars 500 miles and get that oil out of there. Great video . My current Toro with the Honda engine is now on 18 years and no problems
Can’t go wrong doing this and it only takes a few minutes Tommy! Makes everything run that much better! Thanks for watching bud!
@@GarageGear always good content ,common sense stuff. Keep up the good work. 👍
@@TommyG11814 ROCK ON TOMMY!
Piece of rope- tie knot- no fancy strap needed , but thx for your video
Thanks for watching
I had 6 hrs on my new “check and add” briggs.extremely glittery,the oil looked like liquid graphite.i put amsoil 10-30 full synthetic small engine oil.briggs claiming no oil changes is beyond stupidity.but many home owners love the idea.but will wonder why the motor didn’t last.after a few years.
Such a dumb thing for briggs to stamp that on the side of the engine. Thanks for sharing my friend!
Hi JB did you ever try changing the oil on this model by tipping it on it’s side? I did that but with the cheap oil cap the gas started leaking everywhere!!! Is this why you changed your oil in the standing upright position?
Hey nelly! Yes toro recommends changing the oil in the standing position. They engine is not designed to be tipped sideways unless it has no gas in it! . Thanks for watching!
I like those strap wrenches 5⭐️
Handy to have! I use them for lots of stuff!
Amsoil small engine full synthetic 10w30 is really good after full break in.
Thanks for sharing guns
I always look forward for Saturday mornings.
Awesome Donald! I try to compete with Saturday morning cartoons lol! Thanks for being a cool fan!
Good stuff JB. And that Toro is a badass looking mower 👍
Thanks a lot Smallblock! Plenty more to come with this mower!
Whatever happened to the 3/4" drain plug lawnmowers used to have? I consider "tip it up to change the oil" one of those NEVER ADD OIL! models. A 700$ lawnmower should have a drain plug !
Agreed!
5/8”😂
Good Video, subded, would a oil hand pump work when draining or is it better to drain it the way you did?
You could do that too! 👍 thanks for subscribing
The king of jump cut editing and talking like a true youtuber
Thanks man! Thanks for watching!
JB is there a additive that can help my 12 yr old lawnmower it’s blowing blue smoke on startup -for about 1 to 2 minutes.
Hey John! Seems like your engine is burning oil. Is the oil overfilled possibly. Check the dipstick. I believe oil is getting past the piston rings and burning off!
Does anyone have any tips if you're in an area with no Ethanol free fuel? Is there something I can add to my gas that does the trick? My closest gas station that offers it is about 35 minutes away.
Hey 813! I would try adding stabil fuel stabilizer to your fuel to help it last or get a couple five gallon gas tanks and fill them up when you are out that way. Thanks for watching!
You still need to change the oil on them just add oil motors I use a little 12v pump to get the oil out
Smart to do so! Thanks for sharing George!
What do you recommend when your mower doesn't allow for oil changes? 😂
Edit. Never mind. You answered it at the end. Gotta go change that oil now.
Hope it worked out well! Enjoy the mow!
That Amsoil looks like a good Idea. BUT the price scares me off !
It’s a bit pricey Tempus! It’s one of those you only buy once in a great while products ya know. Thanks for watching!
I just picked up a 20047 toro mower seems pretty good.what do you think.thanks.i know these seem to last forever?
Older toros seem to perform much better. Does yours have a Tecumseh engine or a briggs! I have zero success repairing Tecumseh engines.
It runs like a champ
What oil do you recommend in the Toro Recyclers? 10W 30 or 5W 30?
I use 5w30 full synthetic! Thanks for watching!
Say, do you sell that cool sweatshirt? If not you should. My size is XL
Hey Christopher if you click on the description of a garage gear video you should see a link for a spread shop which will allow you to purchase a hoodie. Thanks for being a cool fan!
How often/ how many hours of use do you need to change the oil? 50 hours you said?
Hey Brody! Once a season or every 50 hours on this model is what is called for in the manual!
Good video! I might pick up an oil extraction pump so I don’t have to tip the mower!
Not a bad tool to have! I use mine multiple times a year! Did you mow with your new mower yet?
@@GarageGear No not yet! I’ve been waiting for the sta-bil ceramic pro guard to get here before I use it. I also got the echo pb-2620 blower. Used it twice already and love it.
@@fingerlakeslawn ROCK ON brother ! You are set for the season!
That is very complicated and a waste of oil. When I and if I buy my a new TORO Super Recycler I will not do that, I never did it with my 12 year old one. BTW I do not think there is nothing wrong with it. I told you the personal pace no longer works but yesterday I tried walking as fast as I could with my bad knees and it went faster. My next door neighbor has a push mower and next time he cuts my grass (he helps me sometimes) I will ask him if I can use it just to see if it is harder to push if so than there is nothing wrong with mine. Good review one more like from me. 536
Thanks for watching
@@GarageGear Thanks for replying. I will let you know which Super Recycler I buy. For the people that can not afford that one you should do a review of the Recycler. I also watched your review of the Timemaster and would never buy that one.
@@gregoryeditor6500 next year I’m considering the standard recycler because it’s a good entry level mower! The timemaster is definitely not worth buying! Appreciate your input Greg!
@@GarageGearI have the 2022 TORO brochure and one feature I like about it is the PowerReverse does the Super Recycler have that feature? If not I may consider buying the Recycler and save about 300 dollars.
@@gregoryeditor6500 hey my friend the super recycler does not have the power reverse you mentioned.
"Not necessary" on the "Just check & add" sounds like they want to sell more over-priced mowers to morons who think internal combustion engines do not need oil changes.
Who is in charge of this BS campaign? Bud Light?? 🤣
Keep kicking ass, JB!! Awesome vid as always, my friend. 😎
Briggs’s and Stratton’s initials are BS… 😂 sounds about right for their campaign! Right up there with bud light! Must have the same advisors lol! Appreciate you and the laughs as always Paul! Have a good week my friend!
How much oil of the initial 20oz did you get out? I hate that the new engines dont come with a drain plug, my 2014 didnt get an oil change till this year because i didn't want to deal with having to tip it over.
Hey Chris most oil should come out. Some oil gets trapped inside between any little crevices. How much oil came out since the 2014 oil change?
@@GarageGear well the 20oz bottle i used to refill it still has about 8oz left, so about 12. I used a mighty vac vacuum extractor for mine, just wondered how much you got out by turning it up on end?
@@chrissutton3043 I didn’t measure but probably 90% or more came out. 👍
How do you like the Toro Personal Pace drive system? I've never been a fan of it and really wish Toro would make more models with a different drive.
The personal pace is okay. I don’t mind it but I wish they still had their 3 speed transmissions from back in the day. Those were great! Thanks for watching!
Tune in for next week's video, "Snow-mowing for beginners!" Because weather is crazy right now...
Hahaha that video idea might be a hit on CZcams! Can I get you to write the script Mace!
@@GarageGear Sure! It will include a lot of "I don't even know her!" and "That's what she said!" jokes, though.... LOL
@@The_Mace that’s why I can count on only you Mace!👍😂
I always use 10w-40 on all my small engines
Thanks for sharing
@@GarageGear 5w-30 to thin 10w-40 is perfect
@@Bobbytrus12 Larger kawasaki's engines on zeroturns recommend 20w-50 to also reduce their oil consumption. This is the same oil they recommend in the hydraulic motors on the mower so its a one oil fits all. You wouldn't want to run the 20w-50 in colder weather of course.
Hey JB how’s the SlipPlate doing?
There’s still some on the bottom of the Honda but I may try out the spray cans on this mower! We shall see! Any plans for your Sunday?
@@GarageGear I’ve ordered a few cans of slip plate. The fluid Film works through the winter but it takes a beating under the deck all mowing season. I’m going to try the slip plate.
Sunday is my day to get ready to go back to work😉💰
@@js12278 got it my friend! You’ll like the slip plate!
Where do you get your non ethanol gas from?
You can usually find it at pumps around town. Search it on google and you’ll see you probably have some nearby thanks for watching
Just purchased the Toro Recycler 2024 model. I filled with 20oz of oil. Owners manual states 15oz. Should I drain the 5oz out?
You could do that and check the dipstick to determine the oil level! 👍
The 18-20 oz capacity. Does than mean a whole 18 oz bottle can be poured in no problem?
Yep you got it! 👍
Best I can do is 1 time after first mow then every other year.
Thanks for sharing
Why did you choose this machine?
A lot of people have been asking for more info on this mower. Figured it would be good to get some first hand info out there! Thanks for watching atg!
No oil change lawnmowers😮Those bits of metal traveling around the engine. That’s why they call it the recycler!
@@dbinner156 haha I wonder if that’s where they got the name lol 😂🤔
Why not use a $5 harbor freight pump to just suck out the oil right into a container?
You could also do that too! Thanks for watching!
Did you do this with the gas tank full or empty ?
The tank might have had some gas in it. It’s designed to hold the gas in the stow position without leaking if not overfilled
Great sounds good. That was Amy concern. Should I empty my echo timmer and edger ? Or it’s destined to hold gas in tank as well
@@_PuglieseFamily drain them all out my friend! You don’t want headaches in the spring
Got it. Is this just to winterize them? Or always drain them when not in use.
@@_PuglieseFamily just when you winterize them is fine. 👍
I used royal purple in all my air cooled equipment-
Thanks for sharing
Don't worry about "breaking in the engine". It will break down soon enough.
Thanks for sharing