BEFORE YOU BUY A 2023 TORO SUPER RECYCLER, WATCH THIS!
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BEFORE YOU BUY A 2023 TORO SUPER RECYCLER, WATCH THIS! Toro and HONDA have been the reigning champions in the LAWN MOWER industry for decades. With HONDA announcing they are out of the LAWN MOWER game in September 2023, this is Toro's shot to prove who is the KING OF THE LAWN. I recently bought a 2023 TORO SUPER RECYCLER with a 190CC ENGINE. In this video I unbox the lawn mower, assemble it and go over some initial thoughts. Watch and see what I think of Toro's LATEST and GREATEST HOMEOWNER MOWER! LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!!!
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JB , my current Honda is 24 years old ,still going strong all these years . I’ve maintained it myself and never had a really serious issue. Kudos to Honda , I’m very concerned about their production halt and figured that’s when my Honda will die . I can’t wait to see your future reviews on this machine and hope you send or Toro watches you for future upgrades to Recycler 2.0. Thanks for the great job .
Hang on to that Honda Dan! Keep it going! I got plenty to do on this machine in the coming months! Stay tuned my friend!
Since I have not used my snowblower ONCE this winter, you’re getting me pumped for lawn season!
It’s right around the corner! 👍
Hey JB! For a push-mower, I have an 2005 - 6.5hp craftsman’s 21”, with the B&S Flathead. Works like a little champ. I don’t have a large yard, so it doesn’t get a lot of hours through the grass season (maybe 10-15hr max a year). Works fairly well, do my own maintenance and still starts and runs great :). Thanks for showing us the new addition to the fleet! Looking forward to your playlist on this one! Cheers! Andrew from NB, Canada :)
Cool my friend! Those older ones are great! Plenty more to come on this machine! Stay tuned!
I bought this Toro last March 2022 no engine sputtering on mine. The grass does stick to the deck so I use the smart stow to stand it up and Hose it off. Can't wait to see a video of yours running.
Thanks for sharing my friend! I’ll have to see what I can do about the deck issue!
I'm using a 96 Toro commercial recycler II mower and couldn't be more happy. My parents bought a super recycler after mowing the yard one time. They weren't a fan of the personal pace. Other than that, it delivered a nice cut.!
Thanks for sharing martell! Those older recyclers are great! ! 👍
I have the electric model I bought about a year ago. I love it. I love the quiet, no oil and gas to handle, and I can take the battery out and tip it any way i want without worrying about what is going to spill our. I don't know if they made any improvements, but the rear wheels started to wobble a bit and not be rock solid. Culprit, the plastic inner tube split. Solution, I put a hose clamp on each wheel and reassembled. Problem solved. I did some other mods to make it do what I wanted it to do. I probably should ask for new ones, but eh.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for all your videos JB, I bought this exact same mower 3 weeks ago from my Toro dealer. Right off the bat I learned how to take the engine cover off, since this new model has a redesigned cover with the black trim. So I want to pass along how to do it since you won't find information anywhere.
The red cover itself has 2 torx head screws to remove, but there is a hidden one underneath the black trim. To remove the black trim, Stand in front of the machine looking towards the back of the engine, the back of the trim is a tab you push back underneath the red cover, look for the rectangular cutout off the black trim, I used a flat he'd screw drive to push the tab back while lifting a little on the back of the trim. Once you have the loose ther are tabs on each side of the trim just about where the "electric start label is. Push each one towards the center of the trim while lifting a little more on the trim piece. Once you have the 3 tabs released the black trim rotates off the front of the cover and then you will see the last torx screw..
Might be a good subject for you to make a short video on... thanks for what you do.
Keith you are da MAN! This will definitely be helpful as I start tinkering with this mower in upcoming videos. Definitely appreciate you taking the time to give instructions on this! It would seem that toro was more focused on aesthetics and not practicality. Used to only be two screws and the cover would come off. Thanks again for sharing keith!
@@GarageGear I guess both of us will learn as we go on this new mower, So far it is working good. Will let you know if any issues pop up with it.
@@keithg3102 please do! That’s the great thing about this community! We can share great info like this! 👍
I have used this exact mower for about a season and a half cutting my St. Augustin in Texas and I have ZERO complaints on this mower. No sputtering, cuts my grass perfect.
Glad to hear this Texas! Appreciate the feedback! Thanks for watching!
Woke up to see this video, got all excited for Spring! Then looked out the window to see about an inch of fresh snow. Great timing. I blame you, JB. LOL
Hahaha it’s coming my friend! Winter is just about done here. I’m getting a little snow right now but then it’s 40’s for the next two weeks. I’ll take the blame lol!
@Garage Gear hey buddy, so it says 190 cc , isn't that bigger than ur common household mower. Usually I see 150 cc to like 163cc??? Just curious, thanks garage guy
@@paulpersons799 hey Paul! They usually range between 150-200 cc. That’s more than enough power. Thanks for being a cool fan!
More and more the industry is focusing on electric yard maintenance equipment.
I like the old Briggs quantum flathead engine. No choke mechanism just a simple primer system.
Very simple and reliable with plenty of power.
Thanks for sharing bill!
Hey JB I was able to use my Toro Super Recycler 21564 today two weeks ago I sprayed the deck with GUNK Outdoor Equipment Mower Deck Spray when I was done mowing there was hardly any grass build up and what was there hosed off. Next time I'll take before and after pictures
Awesome my friend! I have that stuff as well but haven’t used it yet. Send me some pics when you have a second! Thank you!
I’ve had a 2006 super recycler that still starts on second pull each year. Love it. Not sure if they have cheaper out on current models but still happy with my 17 year old super recycler
The older super recyclers were built great! Keep ‘em running! 👍
I bought a Toro 5 GTS in 1990. In all the years it never failed to start on the first or second pull. Suzuki engine was great. I maintained the mower well and it still ran when I gave it away in 2021. Best $400.00 I ever spent on anything mechanical.
Those were great mowers and engines! Thanks for sharing!
Nice video review! I ordered the 163 cc version from Home Depot and waited 3 weeks for it to be delivered to the store only to find out that the stow away knobs were broken during shipment. Waited another 3 weeks for a replacement but that came in with a partially broken knob 🤦. I settled for a 150cc recycler that time and used it a couple times and was very impressed with the power but really wanted to the stow away feature so I returned it and will check out Ace Hardware for super recyclers.
Thanks for sharing
Bought this model new from a local lawn and garden power tool store. By the fourth time using it, the thing wouldn't move. Called the store and the service tech told me how to adjust the personal pace. ?????? 4 times and I am already doing the work on it. Not happy about that, but, I do like the machine. Also, The front air "wedger" can get plugged with grass clippings real quick if you don't rinse it out with a hose. When I registered it, toro sent me the "rear" side discharge chute. Free.
Appreciate you sharing this Tim! Good info for the community!
First off thank you for the videos that you posted about this Super Recyler from Toro. I ordered one, it came damaged and I had done research for over 3 weeks before I landed on this mower. My unboxing was not like yours, the box was crushed on one end and I should have known from there it was going to be an issue... I took the package anyway and sure enough the push bar was bent and other little things made me think, maybe this is not for me.
Pleasently I watched these videos and went to my local Ace Hardware here in TX and found one already out of the box so I could test everything (while in the store so not EVERYTHING). The bar folded like it was supposed to, the handle locks engaged properly, the air cleaner foam sleeve was not put on poorly and all 4 wheels touched the ground... There is something to be said about retail that gives you that comfort of seeing to believe.
I wanted to double thank you for the spark plug wire hint. I just filled mine with oil and while waiting for the oil to settle I checked the plug wire... Sure enough.... a small push and CLICK!!!!! it was not fully locked in, so I did not get the sputtering but, I think I may not, so thank you for posting this info it is super helpful. After a week of mows I will check back in, I have a thick 3.5 in St Augustine yard about a 1/3 of an acre and will adjust one side to get a flat cut on my edges so I will let you know how it goes making that adjustment each week.
On a side note, for those who do need to adjust for the nice crisp edge it might be worth mentioning that some of the platforms that have just adjustment for the whole deck, the pain of doing all 4 wheels does suck, but to be able to adjust for the specific need does come in handy for all 4 wheels.
Hey Frank! Appreciate the positive feedback and I’m glad these videos helped you out! Bummer yours came beat up! Let me know how she does on your turf!
wow you raise the wheels on the side of the mower that tracks on the concrete for an even cut (on lawn perimeter with adjacent concrete)? hows that working for you?
@@jamesgorman5774 It works great, its a bit of a pain to do the edges but I get that super clean squared, thick lush edge. I'll be cutting tomorrow and can post a pic. She is a little "furry" right now, but I always get comments on the clean look of that extra step.
Get ya some 1/2" pipe insulation and tape it to that bar so you have cushion when your up against that handle bar.
Not a bad idea! Thanks for sharing!
I’ll be waiting for the grass to grow in Buffalo to see how it works out. I’ve been using a 1994 Craftsman with aluminum deck and looking to replace it for my last mower. It’s been great and only replaced the wheels, blade. Starts on 2nd pull. Hate to replace the old stuff if working well. 1971 Ariens with Predator lives on!
Same here charby! Hate replacing something that is working fine! Thanks for watching!
I have a 10 year old 6.5 hp Briggs Toro Personal Pace mover. Had to replace the ignition coil last year - $12 Amazon. I change the oil every year. Does not burn a drop.
Thanks for sharing
JB, I have this exact mower (21564) and an Ariens 824 that's just a handful of years newer than yours :) I've never had an issue with the motor running smoothly at all. It goes up hills and over bumps like a beast. My neighbors have an electric Toro and it simply does not cut as well as this machine. I have no issues with the shape of the handle. My deck doesn't have the rough edges underneath that yours does. My only real complaint is how the wires are managed/loose. You'll find out when you put it in the stow position. I'm looking forward to your take on sharpening it's blades and changing the oil on an engine that claims only topping up is necessary.
Also, I love the personal pace system. Hands down, I'm so glad I went with the Toro because of this feature alone instead of a Honda.
Thanks for sharing all this srt! Good to hear the engine runs smoothly for you!
ill have some tight spaces in my lawn and was wanting to know if the personal pace disengages immediately ?? because i will have too pull the mower backwards many times every time i mow my lawn and i don't want to create damage to anything while engaged and moving the mower (reverse direction).
Well done JB a very good review. Personally the only thing i never liked about these is the personal pace operation but that may be because my old Snapper has a speed control and side lever control that i can set my pace at.
Hey thanks Wayne! I do miss the old 3 speed transmission on the older toro super recyclers! Thanks for watching as always my friend!
Definitely a badass looking mower! Looking forward to seeing it cut some grass.
The new 21" mowers Ariens just announced this past Tuesday look pretty good as well. The 2 top level models have a drive system similar to the Toro personal pace that they called Reflex.
We’ll see how it cuts my friend! I looked into that mower too! Heard complaints that it has plastic gears in the drive system that need to be replaced every two years tho! 👎
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I have an old Toro lawnmower that has a Honda engine on it that’s 20 years old. Just recently bought a new Honda HRX217VKA and can’t wait to get it. Home Depot and Lowe’s don’t offer them anymore. Had to get it from ACME tools hopefully they don’t cancel it since it’s backed ordered for 2-3 weeks.
Thanks for sharing 9fish!
The sputtering is easy to fix and has three causes. First, the spark plug boot may not be pushed all the way on. Second, it only comes with only enough oil to fill to the bottom of the acceptable oil fill zone on the dipstick. The engine has an oil level switch and won't run if too little oil is in it. Mow on a hill or hit a bump and the oil sloshes and the oil level switch momentarily turns off, killing the engine for a second. Just add more oil up to to the top of the hashed area on the dipstick. Finally, the factory Champion plugs just misfire. Take your spark plug out and replace it with correct E3 brand spark plug, (E3.20 on mine). Be sure to carefully set the spark gap to what the manual says (0.020" on mine). Regarding the slight variation in wheel height, the wheels have ball bearings and tighter tolerances. With plain bearing wheels there is more bearing play and that lets all wheels touch the floor, therefore you can't detect any wheel diameter difference. Not an issue at all when on grass as the grass is springy. Good mower. Much more nimble than the steel deck versions. I have long arms so the lower handle does not hit my gut. If you have short arms or a big gut, I would not recommend it.
Thanks for sharing these helpful tips ayrplanes! 👍👍👍
@@GarageGear
I’ll need to remember these tips for my replacement recycler. Hope sputtering won’t be an issue this time around. I’ll know by the weekend.
It was 50° in Chicago today so I was able to get my Toro out and clean up the yard. Your in for a real treat when you get to use yours.
I hear a lot of good things about these mowers! Couple more weeks and we’ll be mowing! Thanks for watching quentin!
Great overview. That's a nice-looking mower and I look forward to your review. I was looking at Toro and Honda to replace a 1997 John Deere JX75. The JX75 is still running strong and really has no major issues. It's just getting difficult to find parts for it. Especially the drive train. I went with a Honda HRX217HYA because, as far as I know. None of the modern Toro Recycler series with the exception of the Timemaster have a blade brake. I find it very annoying that the mower completely shuts down when the handle is released. I don't mind the blade stopping. It's just the complete shutdown that's a pain. I still use a Toro Recycler 20333 at my parents' house (circa 2011) that does have a blade brake. It has been a good mower. The in-laws have a front wheel drive non blade brake Toro Recycler. It runs well for an entry-level mower, but I am not a fan of front wheel drive. If you don't have a fairly level lawn. I don't think front wheel drive is a good choice.
Hey cw! All good points here! I used to have a JX85! Great mowers! Parts were getting hard to find and still are! Totally agree on the blade brake! That should be a given on this mower at this price point. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍
Blade brakes BREAK. Hehe. Here's is the power play: use a Velcro band around the handle. Sometimes I tie a cloth around it. I know not to slip and end up under the thing. But the Velcro could be attached to a wrist strap to make it like a boat bail switch. I wish they would offer something smarter but people are dumb. Lol
@@marshmower thanks for sharing
Lots of parts still out there for the 14SB/JX75/JX85. What couldn't you find?
@@marshmowerJust did a replacement BB Clutch assemble last year on my Brother's John Deere 14 SB that I purchased new back in 1996. That's 26 years of use, not exactly an issue with Blade Brake Clutches I'd say.
I am in the market this year to buy a new push mower like the one you have picked up. My six year old Toro super recycler has mowed six yards per week for the last six years. I had the transmission replaced last year, and now the deck has broke on the side discharge. I’m getting that welded, but its time for a new one.
One of the problems I have found is the adjustable wheels. They have always been difficult to operate. A big plus is the engine. It has never failed to start. Not sure yet what will take its spot on my trailer this year. I will be watching.
Hey Tim! We’ll will see how this one holds up to what I have to throw at it! Plenty of content coming your way! Thanks for the input on your mower!
sir does the Super cycler disengage immediately when the personal pace is released.? I have use for a new mower for personal use and I have tight spots where many times on evry mow Ill have to (pull the mower backwards direction) reverse. And darn sure i don't want to damage this mower working components during this reverse movement.
@@jamesgorman5774 The blade does not disengage when I drag it backwards. It doesn’t have a reverse. I’m still using it on at least 5 yards per week. I have found a second crack in the frame a couple of weeks ago, so this will be it’s last season.
Ahh yes. A 6am JB visit for coffee. Used the snow blower for the first time in Maine yesterday 😮
Good morning Jason! Pretty weird winter we’re having! Thanks for watching bud!
I would love you to do a video on the Toro that does the mulching and shredding of the leaves thank you
Thanks for watching john
Briggs is a no go for me. Plastic carburetors..... NOPE
Can’t wait to get more in depth with this and see what it’s all about.
Yes . The plastic carbs are the work of the 👿
@@GarageGear It makes me wonder if it's possible to mount a Vanguard 160 or a Vanguard 200 on it should you get sick of the engine issues?
@@Vultain I’m sure you could mount something on there! 👍
Almost every small engine carburetor has a plastic float inside been that way for years
Got mine delivered over 3 weeks ago. The box looked like it got hit by a truck. Opened it up and the entire back end was all messed up. I took it right to the dealer that was on my receipt to see if they can fix it and they said they reached out to Toro to send me another one and haven’t heard anything back. Thanks FedEx and Toro ❤😑
I was worried something similar would happen to mine. I would definitely keep calling them non stop. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks JB for finally putting me up on the white board! Awesome review!
ROCK ON MARTIN! Thanks for being a cool fan as always!
I just got the 21464 model. The electric start system does not have an onboard charging circuit. The battery is supposed to last anywhere from 30 to 60 starts before it has to be hooked up to the included trickle charger.
Thanks for sharing!
Great video. I personally don't use the side discharge ever, so i wonder if when you register you can opt out of receiving it and maybe save some plastic from just sitting on someones shelves or going in the trash. Let us know if that's the case!
Don’t know? I know for sure I’ll be using mine. Thanks for watching Dave!
They had a checkbox or something you need to mark to ask you if you want it. They are probably hoping you don't so they save money.
@@mellowjammer I scanned the QR code on my mower to register is and they sent me the chute in about a week. That’s one way to cut a cost.
I was secretly hoping that you'd grab one of these for a review. I'm going to grab a smaller mower to pair with my timemaster for this upcoming year. I'm 90% leaning towards a Honda, but did want to see a good review of this just to spot check it. Let me know how it handles wet grass
Hey Jm! I’ll be doing plenty of videos going forward on this machine! Grabbing a remaining Honda isn’t a bad idea! 👍
Great video! Do you have an update on the 2023 SR, maybe vs. a Honda? Based on what have read & viewed the Honda HRX217HYA & Super Recycler(21565), are 2 great mowers. To me cut quality is most important, bagging second, self-propelled is not mandatory, but would be very nice for walking in lieu of riding. On the surface, the self-propelled controls on both appear that they can be cumbersome on a smaller lawn when changing directions, but not sure. Further thoughts or suggestions on either of these mowers?
Hey nibs! I’ll be doing a full review on the toro super recycler in a few weeks and then possibly a side by side comparison of the Honda and the toro. I definitely want to see the cut quality of each as well as the. Right off the bat I would say the Honda wins with the drive control. The toro is way too big for no reason! We’ll see how they do! 👍
@@GarageGear yep I need to search to see if the side-by-side comparison video has been released? Thanks big man. My last mower purchase is in the works and Im reviewing what I can find cause the expense and I want to enjoy my last mower..
Had mine for 20 years and is going strong. You have to remember to always clean the mower after you're done otherwise grass will build up and leave clumps on the lawn. Also make sure to grease where needed. The next mower I buy must have a discharge good for mowing wet or left over dew on the grass.
Thanks for sharing Dave!
JB WE GOT NO SNOW?! LOL GIMME SOME MORE TO DO!! 😄 THE PENCIL TRICK TO BALANCE THE SKIDS- PERFECT!
Can you give us a tour of your Garage and Things You Personally like and find Extremely Useful. I really enjoyed your new cabinet video. Im rebuilding the interior of my shed, it was originally built for my father (5ft5 but im 6ft2 230) little height diff, perhaps the mailman was tall?jkin
Looking for ideas like your Garage.
Love the Ch JB!
Hahaha the last 20 videos I did were all on snowblowers lol! 😂 I’m getting a lot of questions regarding lawn content so I have to ride the wave and get going with that lol. I’ve got all kinds of equipment coming my way too! 👍 I see what you’re saying about the garage. Did you watch my garage make over video? It’s on my main CZcams page.
@@GarageGear Oh could You link me there?? Im re doing my shed and garage thatd be awesome. Include links that get you something i literally owe you 500,1000$ bucks for all the help vs the haul to the small engine repair.
I have a L120A j deere but where i live its...38 dollars for a full cut, edgeup and blow dry for the lawn...i love my tractor but ya cant beat 38$ and your lawns done in 14mins (i own a acre) - i HEAVILY miss doing it myself but then again thats 2 hours and ya know something about my health i dont write about. Please do link me there! I saw the new cabinets - Lovem.
Thanks JB!! 😁 I wish you were my neighbor!
@@Parabola_PJ hahaha I wish you were my neighbor too bud! Here is a link to the video. All other product links can be found in the description. 👍Is A GARAGE REMODEL With GLADIATOR GarageWorks WORTH IT?
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@@GarageGear Sounds Totally Worth It!! Thanks JB!! 😁 TELL YOUR WIFE SHES A LUCKY LADY!! AND THEN TURN AROUND AND RUN!! 😆 I Did That haha i was runnin a while she took my truck 😄 🤣
thank you for making a PLAYLIST on this mower !
You got it Bob! Thanks for watching
Last year, I couldn't decide which mower I wanted: the Toro SS 21564 or the Honda 217 HRX VKA. So I ended up buying both of them. Honestly, it makes mowing the lawn enjoyable.
As for the engine surge in previous models. That issue was corrected with the 21564. From May to November 2022, I experienced no issues with the engine. But I also take care of all my engines to keep them at peak performance. Running a little Berryman B12 Chemtool through the engine once in a while keeps it running strong.
This B&S 190cc is a powerhouse and had no trouble keeping up with the Honda 200cc in tall grass. The engine also has a nice growl when it shuts off.
All good information here! Thanks a lot for sharing 4x4! 👍👍
Which one do you prefer?
Which one do you like more ? The toro or the Honda?
@@Abel3270 I’m going to do a comparison video in the coming weeks. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say the Honda but time will tell.
for what its worth I bought the honda and its almost no comparison
How does this compare to the 163cc super recycler. Just got the 190cc after l ordered it a week ago and had to take it back because parts on the handle were cracked and the bars were not centered. The 163cc is in stock so I can see what I’m getting vs having to risk getting another faulty one.
Hey Chex! If you get one of the 163’s just make sure you change the oil once a season and run ethanol free gas in it. Cheaply made engines but can be fine if cared for! 👍
Hey JB is your bench secured to the wall or resting on the cabinets? Thanks!
Hey regular car guy! The workbench has its own 4 legs and the cabinets sit underneath it with room between it and the cabinets. The bench is not mounted to a wall. Super sturdy! How have you been bud?
I have this in an older model #20095, bought it from a friend but its missing the battery charger only. I have the battery. I can't find the charger to buy at the online Toro company, and the ones at Amazon do not have good descriptions (i dont want to fry the battery with the wrong amps). I have the briggs 190 cc engine. I have manually pull started the mower but it doesn't always start in 2 pulls, it can take 5 sometimes (and im an old 65 yr old lady, I want the electric start to work). Any suggestions on which charger to buy? My local mower shop can order one for $50 but im pretty sure if i knew which one to buy, I can get one for about $25 on Amazon?
Hey Lexie! I commented with a link for the charger you need on the other video. Thank you for watching!
The Toro looks like a Honda.
I’m buying a brand new Honda, their top of the line mower soon. I’m going to get the HRC216HXA with the Honda commercial grade engine. Going to do it before production finally ends. 😢
Smart move! Can’t go wrong with a Honda!
is this HRC216HXA really good for mulching? and from your research do the gears hold up?? for about 5 mo year I need to be at 4" mow height for personal use only but its my ;last self propel mower
JB, so check this out. This week, I ordered the 21564 from the Home Depot website. At the time I placed the order, they were showing 417 units available. The following day, I received an email from Home Depot apologizing that they'd have to refund my money and cancel my order, no explanation. Today, I visited with Customer Service at my local Home Depot to inquire about what happened. All they could offer was that the 21564 is "no longer available" at Home Depot. Next, I phoned Home Depot's national number to ask them the same. They told me a little more. They said that these units aren't stocked in the Home Depot warehouse but come from a "3rd party distributor," and that they must have been pulled for some reason and are no longer for sale. Any idea what's going on? Thanks, Steve
Hey AEAC! I recently heard that home depot is trying to go all electric by 2028 and are phasing out gas products. This may be the reason why! Thanks for sharing this!
So today, I phoned Home Depot Corporate and asked for a supervisor to explain what I was observing. They let me know that they are aware of the disappearing inventory situation and others have inquired too. They went on to say that the problem is a "logistics issue between the 3rd party vendor and Home Depot and within a few weeks, they should have it resolved." That's all they'd give me other than to reassure me that Home Depot will continue to carry this brand and specific model online. Steve
@@AEAC ok thanks for the update! 👍
I 100% agree with your overall critiques. I owned a 2022 60v version of this mower last year and ended up returning it. Left front wheel wouldn’t touch the ground when level (deck not level?), “steering wheel” personal pace system is too large and very difficult to navigate in tighter spaces compared to previous, handlebars weren’t level due to a bent mount on the mower itself, bag wouldn’t sit flush to the back, personal pace adjustment screw stuck out about 1/2” too far and caught my arm a couple of times going for the bag, mulch plug is a joke to get in and out. It’s a real bummer because I think that the previous super recyclers were fantastic. Their design choices for this mower are highly questionable and the QC is abysmal considering the price point and how much competition is coming up in the OPE segment.
Hey Six! Thanks for sharing! I’m going to have plenty to talk about with this mower lol! Lots of gear grinding if you know what I mean. I’ve done a lot of videos regarding poor toro quality. I wonder if they’re watching them? 🤔Stay tuned bud!
That’s definitely one cool looking mower JB! Definitely digging that black and orange. I’d definitely be pushing that with my stomach…haha! Personally, I like the Honda. It’s too bad they’re stopping production of them. The way things are going, you won’t be cutting grass till July. How’d you make out with this ice storm? Have a great weekend my friend! Great video as always!!
We got an ice rink here my friend! Should all be melted later today though! How about you? We’ll see how this mower does this season!
Pretty much the same here JB. I was able to get the driveway down to pavement by using tons of Calcium chloride and using the JD snowblower scraper bar to push up the ice. Hopefully it will melt today. Enjoy the rest of the weekend buddy.
THANK YOU.....THANK YOU......THANK YOU. 😊😊 I just purchased one and now it will be easier to assemble
Awesome haveahappyday!! Thanks for watching and enjoy the mow!
I got my 21564 yesterday and used it for the first time today. First 10 minutes were great but once I got to the slopes, bumps (both are moderate) and tall grass in my yard it was major sputter city with each turn and pass 👎. I’ll try the spark plug booting trick and will be very curious to watch your follow-up videos after you’ve done a few mows. Good luck…
Thanks for the heads up Jerry! Clearly this issue hasn’t been addressed by toro yet!
Any idea when you’ll be doing your maiden mow with it? I’m going to run mine again in a few days but in the interim I called a few local Toro authorized dealers and none of them have knowledge of the sputtering issue. It didn’t provide much confidence that there is a known fix.
@@user-rv8cq1dv7p Briggs & Stratton clams they updated the faulty carburetor for the 2022 model. I'm on my second season with this mower and experienced no sputtering issue. I even stored the mower over the winter with TruFuel still in the tank. It fired right up in the spring. Is yours still acting up?
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Thanks for your comment. To answer your question, it’s “kind of” still sputtering. To clarify, my Briggs engine is a Jan 2023 build. I called a Diamond Star Briggs/Toro service center after mow #1 and asked if the sputtering is a known issue. They said no (which I found surprising) and told me to change the spark plug then run 1/4 tank of 50:1 TruFuel til it ran dry. A few days later I did mow #2 with TruFuel. It ran well 95% of the time but did sporadically sputter. I’m going to do mow #3 with unleaded 89 octane (10% ethanol blend) to see what happens. If I end up getting it serviced it’s a minimum 4-5 week turn time. Luckily I still have the mower that the 21564 is replacing.
There are a few other reasons why I skipped Toro altogether: The transmissions on them are lacklustre at best, on the BBC models are belt based, the Personal Pace doesn't use a hydrostatic transmission, but belt tension for variable speed and more often than not, when I cut someone's grass and they wanted it really short, I tend to easily scalp people's lawns more than I ever did with any other make. I also considered Cub Cadet at one point but went with the Honda HRC2163HXC, the top of the line and commercial Honda mower sold in Canada. The deck on that Toro looks really robust other than the painting defects, in fact, it really resembles the Honda HR(C)214/215 decks. Now, that said, I really do like Toro's older snow blowers as I have one but replaced the Tecumseh engine with a Honda GX160. I can't say much about Toro's newer snow throwers but they do intrigue me a bit. Now, if I wanted to buy a 30" walk behind mower, I would definitely go SCAG as those are incredibly robust, fairly easy to work on machines and the fact that they have my favourite North American engine brand, the Kohler Command Pro.
Thanks for sharing this WJC! Appreciate the info!
Whats the choices / model numbers for the blades for this mower?? Thanks
Hey Brody I believe this is the one amzn.to/3LlNf0F
FYI when you register, do not use the online bot and save yourself 2 wasted hours! Call the 800 number first. Forewarned, that rear discharge puts out a lot of grass on your feet. I've attached a crazy carpet to the discharge to extend it and keep grass off my ankles.
Thanks for sharing this spidey! I’ll have to give this a test so I can comment on it. Thank you!
The sputtering was due to a design flaw on the Briggs stow n go carburetors. It affected other manufacturers as well as Toro. The toro fix was a recall on the carburetor. I made a video fixing it my self. Works like a champ now.
Thanks for sharing Jonathan! I’m sure the video will help some people out! 👍
I bought this model last year and had major issues with sputtering and weakness. What I found is that the choke plate was closing when it bounced and would end up flooding the engine over the course of the cut. I tightened up the linkage until the auto-choke just barely worked, had no issue since. I still think it's overpriced for what it is, but has been a good mower.
@@ChaseAleshire thanks for sharing this Chase! This could be helpful to some out there!
Any chance posting the link to your vid? Thanks
@@apexiumim2741 Pretty sure this is it: czcams.com/video/wta8gXJZoRA/video.html
I have the 2019 model of this mower. Great mower with one major flaw. The carburetor. I'd be interested in knowing if the carburetor part # for this mower is different than mine. Would you be willing to tell me the part #?
Hey Damian! I’ll see if I can find it!
@Garage Gear Awesome! If you have the engine model #, i should be able to compare parts. According to Toro, Briggs made changes to the carburetor and fuel tank to fix the surging issues that the previous models had.
@@damianb2292 hey Damian the model numbers in the manual are 110000, 120000, and 123p00. Not sure which number refers to the engine though.
Wow, JB is already in Spring mode.
Yep! It’s March next week! A lot of subscribers want lawn content! Time to fire it up! Have a good weekend Chuck!
Great video as always. I've been a Toro guy for a while now. My Super Recycler is probably around 15 years old. I also agree with the terrible handle redesign.😠 You know the saying, if it ain't broke fix it! 🤦♂️That molding issue under the deck is really unacceptable for the price! I would expect more from Toro. I do like the look and the "Smart Stow" feature but I guess that's more of a Briggs feature right?🤣 Thanks JB and keep the great content coming!
Hey Mike! Totally a lame design! And the deck is an issue for sure! Plenty more to come with this mower! Stay tuned! 👍
Regarding sputter on model 21564: I see a response from Toro in the Home Depot Q/A. “A: Yes, we have partnered with our engine supplier, Briggs & Stratton, to resolve this issue with a new fuel tank and carburetor design verses the previous engine model. “ The response was from June 3 2023.
Thanks for sharing this information, my friend. I appreciate it. Thanks for watching!
I can't find that review and reply anywhere. Got a link?
190cc in a store stock mower is rayer. They do send a side discharge chute. Same with the AWD lawn boy from 2015. Easy to register and they ship it fast. But wait. Doesn't the deck benefit from NOT having a big chunk missing from it?
Hey Bob! Bought mine at Home Depot online and had it shipped to the store. Thanks for the info on the side discharge! I’m confused about the deck chunk though. It’s definitely a flaw from the mold. What do you mean exactly?
@@GarageGear the usual right side cutout for the flap. Some have cracks in the area where the steel is at its thinnest. The deck naturally wants to flex when the operator pushes down on the handle.
Now I'm not sure about the slag or whatever those blobs are. Probably some cost cutting.
@@marshmower interesting thanks for sharing!
Does this have a blade stop feature like the Honda VYA has? As in if you release the handle does the mower keep running and the blade stops? I’ve been a Honda mower guy forever, and just heard they are ceasing production later this year. Being in the market for a new mower, I am considering Toro. They just don’t seem as well made as the Hondas though?
Only the 21563 does and it only comes with a 163cc engine.
Sounds like you know which way to go!
Ahead of the ban of gas mowers I got this new Bad Boy. Troy-Bilt® 21" 173cc Gas Self Propelled Lawn Mower, 173cc Kholer engine
Thanks for sharing rich!
I’ve used a 2015 Toro super recycler since new and recently I decided it was getting a little underpowered in taller grass. Very reliable with only one repair to the drive wheel cable needed.
I went with a Honda HRX217. After 2 mows, it would not start!! Checked the oil and it was mixed with gas!! It was too late to return it to HD, so I took it for warranty. They said, “oh yeah, we’ve seen a few like yours, you did nothing wrong.”
I thought I was making a big upgrade with the Honda , but I will sell this or trade it as soon as they repair it. My old toro still starts on the first pull. I’ll get with a new Toro. I much prefer the personal pace over Honda’s separate throttle lever and double bail system, too.
Thanks for sharing
@@GarageGear I keep reading bad things about new toros in the comments of this video. Should I just keep my 2015 SR? What model is as good or better than mine?
Seems like Toro has gone downhill in the quality department from what your viewers are saying.
@@MixingGBP I would keep your model. Toro has taken a step backwards in recent years. To go better you’ll probably be looking at something commercial.
@@GarageGear good advice, thanks
I sold my 2-year-old Honda HRN mower in the belief that I was going to move to a place without a yard. Now, I find out that they quit making them, and wish like hell that I would have kept mine. I also see that the price of them has gone up at least $150 since I purchased mine. I wonder if I should buy another one before supplies run out, or just go to something like a Toro this time instead
You can never go wrong with a Honda my friend! I’m going to do a comparison video on a couple of weeks! Stay tuned!
Hi, looking for a suggestion. I just got the super recycler and the front right wheel spins as it is not getting contact with the floor and it didn’t come with the electric start button. Should I just take it back (no longer in stock so I would have to get the recycler) or keep it. After 7 months do you think it was worth the purchase?
Hey ric! I would return it for not having the electric start. Just know that the front left wheel not making contact is a common thing with these mower. This is called cheap production lol!
I agree. On mine it happens only on certain height settings. That said, it’s mulching and bagging is a such a step above the competition that I would keep it.
Great review- my concern would be the personal pace system. Really not excited about a handlebar that moves but never tried one. Stuck with Hondas.
Hey Brian it’s a good drive system but terribly huge design! I like the Hondas in this case! Thanks for watching
love my Honda but the thumb drive system is terrible ! I tried my neighbors Toro recycler with PP system and love it. With a minor push on the handle i was walking behind the mower.
@@bill4894 Yeah seems a lot of people love it. Just not sure I could adapt to a handle that moves around while on hills and all.
The poll makes perfect sense even if Honda was not going to get out of the home-owner mower business. I looked at the Honda too and pushed both. The Honda fit and finish is nicer, I like the alternator to charge the battery, it has spin-stop for the blade so you don't need to shut the engine down, it has a bigger bag, you can easily switch between mulch and bag, and it's the same price as the Toro. The problem for the Honda is the end game is mowing the lawn. The Honda is a LOT harder to horse around, especially back up. It weighs 20% more than the super recycler and handles like it weighs 2x the super recycler. The next problem is Honda's legacy engineering. Honda's plastic deck traps crap and water on top of the deck next to the motor. The twin blades don't mulch any better than the Toro. Compared to the Toro, the Honda self-propel is quite the contraption plus a complex hydro-static drive which is bonkers for a push mower. With the Toro, you run it. With the Honda, it runs you. If the Honda didn't have the blade stop and alternator, it would have gotten a lot less than 37%. This comes from a guy who has two vehicles, both with the Acura (high-end Honda) powertrain. As much as I would like to buy the Honda, the end game is mowing the lawn. Honda can't compete with Toro with that kind of engineering.
Thanks for sharing Jack
is honda only exiting. the Residential mowers ? cause I hadn't looked at commercial Hondas self propelled because i thought they would disappear at the dealer as well.
@@jamesgorman5774 Honda is getting out of the entire lawn mower game! Still making commercial engines though!
I had a toro prior to my Honda and liked it a lot. Lost it due to bending the shaft (my fault). It honestly makes me sad to see how gimmicky this thing looks. Maybe looks aren’t everything, but I struggle to see how the it will overcome the flaws you noted. Great vid as usual, thanks!
We’ll see how it overcomes them! It does look like one gimmick after another on this thing. Still hear a lot of good reports on how it cuts! We’ll see how she does when the grass starts growing. Thanks for watching Shawn!
I did the same thing, ran it out of oil lmao
Can you give us an update on the side discharge
Hey white hammeer! I did register my mower with toro and got the side discharge in about a week. Haven’t tested it out yet because the grass hasn’t grown enough yet. I’ll mention this in an upcoming video! Thanks for watching!
Just purchased this mower. I know this video is older - but do you have the issue with the sputtering with bumps in lawn? Did you fix it? I checked the spark plug boot and it is all the way in.
I did not have this issue with this mower but I have it now on the ariens mower I am reviewing. Video on it this weekend
@@GarageGear Well today I changed the original oil with Mobil synthetic 5W20, and also changed the factory spark plug to E3.20, put some fresh gas in and had very little sputtering. The only time it sputtered was when I was going sideways on a slope. For sure an improvement.
@@B4Bronco6 thanks for sharing my friend!
Toro dealer buddy if mine said 90% of their customer issues brought in were bought at Lowes.
There’s probably some truth to that
I have a 2007 repowered with a Briggs 725EXi, 163cc motor. The old flathead was knocking because the previous owner ran it low on oil and w/o an air filter. I don't like the new one because of no side discharge.
Hey chuck! No side discharge is a bummer!
I forgot to mention Toro lost me with the mower being made in Mexico. Cub Cadet is still made in USA by MTD.
Would you consider doing a video on a manual and electric reel mower?
Yes I would! Hopefully with one that is a decent size because I have a bigger lawn! Thanks for watching!
Toro does sell their own engine on these things, and that it is the better option. You probably don’t know this but Honda is backing out of the lawn care industry. They’re converting the mower plant into a UTV plant. The GX series engines will still remain in production due to them being manufactured over at the plant in Thailand but everything else will be discontinued.
Yep Honda is out! Thanks for sharing!
I have a 20yo TORO SUPER RECYCLER and it still works great!
Great mowers! 👍
Question JB what’s the best leaf mulching machine on the market? Walk behind ?
Hey Aaron! The timemaster did an amazing job with leaves but maintenance was a pain with that thing. My Honda does a great job two with the dual blades. I would go with this hrx217 and up models so you’d get a bigger bag.
@@GarageGear hrx 217 Hrn 216 and hrc commercial its a mess for us newbies... why the HRX 217 orver the HRN216 at big bow or the HRC at the dealer ? besides saving money ... thank you
@@jamesgorman5774 the HRX has a bit more engine power and a better mulch/bag setup!
Hi. I have a problem with a mower toro 2023 and the self propell mechanism wont stop it just keep running any idea ? Model 21321
Hey fire, hard to tell without seeing it in person I would recommend getting it into a shop.
Jb can you find out the spark plug gap for the 190cc engine I see .20 and .30 I'm not sure which to use.
Manual calls for a .020 spark plug gap! 👍
Thank you
Ok, this is my 6th video on the Toro 21564 mower. And this is the best, most in depth video so far. But no one is addressing the elephant in the room. Actually 4 of 6 videos have addressed "the elephant" but no one covers the charger, or the various electric connectorshould from the deck to the Push to Start button.
Hey f1 thanks for the positive feedback. I’ll be looking into the charger and it’s setup. Full review coming soon.
Register the mower warranty with Toro and they will send the side discharge chute, I believe you have "check" a box during registration to receive the chute; mine arrived with no issue.
I got mine ! Thank you
Going with the Honda...I'm fat..have back issues so that drive control not for me. To many obstacles for grass to stick to the deck underneath..and what's with the plug?? If all they have to offer are lots of angles and some drill holes I'll keep looking..
Good points here Dave! Thanks for sharing.
My dealer says they won't sell their Lawn mowers in a box. They assemble them free of charge. I kinda like assembling stuff.
They might have to do it if they are under a contract with the company
I'm pretty disappointed since when I bought Super Rec 2 or 3 years ago, that year they'd stopped offering the 190. I love that engine and my 7.2 or whatever could benefit from the extra power. Decent mower but I still prefer my old Snapper Hi Vac. It was much easier to maneuver around the yard and has a bullet proof drive train. I just wish the motor wasn't so old or that the new ones weren't so expensive.
The new ones are a big disappointment. Perhaps you could find some old snappers. Keep one and use the other for parts. Does that before in the past
I currently have an Exmark 21. I've got an old Toro that's in the middle of going that I maintain for my father.
I was thinking of replacing the Exmark and giving it to him, but I am debating between the Scag 30" walk behind if I upgrade. Any opinions on what you think of that as an option? Or would I be better buying him a Craiglist mower, fixing it up, and giving things a few more years.
I personally like to keep machines going. Mowers cost way too much nowadays. I heard a lot of good thing about the scag mowers. Only issue I heard was that they are heavy and the big tires can rip up the lawn! Lots to think about here! Thanks for watching
@@GarageGear I definitely prefer keeping them going and do keep up maintenance on it! Just hitting the crossroads of how viable is this mower to keep maintained? I am starting to vote as it has hit it's limit, and run it until it dies or start actively replacing it now.
A bit of history on the mower. I purchased it used for $75 back in 2010? I bought it around 3 years old, I think it is a 2006-2007 Toro with a Briggs 6.75 on it. The oil was sludge when I removed it(I doubt it was maintained). I got it that cheap due to the fact the deck was so clogged the mower wouldn't turn over. It's the recycler with the large wheels. It was used to mow one acre twice a week for what should have been temporary became 3 years. I didn't want to constantly move the Exmark onto the property. My Dad's been using it since late 2013- early 2014 onwards.
Always been given new air filters twice a year since(pollen and smoke season is tough here), annual spark plug, and sometimes 3 oil changes.
My Dad will hook up the hose attachment and run it. But it only gets scraped or pressure washed out once or twice a year by me. Usually end of season I'll spray the deck with something to prevent rust, tires greased, etc.
But the transmission is almost shot and needs replaced, the belt for sure does and it might limp slowly the rest of the season, the side guard needs replacing, the handle os rusting, it needs a new pull cord, the deck is extremely rusted(it's creepy upwards to the deck), the engine compression is weakening, and it is starting to burn oil and sometimes leak it. It's hard for it to keep the power and rpms it once did.
I put Royal Purple in it to track the leaks better, but am wondering if I shouldn't try a UV additive instead to determine the leak? It needs a new gas cap(seals broken on the current one), the handle bars are rusting, the wheels are gone, and the height adjusters still move but are covered in rust.
I could easily turn it into a project if I want to rebuild the engine and get new seals and parts. I work 60+ hours a week unfortunately, and can't do that in a timely manner. Given everything it would be easier to work a few extra hours of overtime and buy new.
He needs to use this mower 2-3 times a week. He mows roughly 15,000 square feet and bag mows. I can keep it running but as things are it's taking time for me to come fill his oil(my Dad has sight issues and can't see the dipstick) and everything else.
But I suppose my question is, at what point is it worth putting the time, money, and effort into a mower like this? I mean, I don't mind putting money into it but a shop quoted him fixes that put it above and beyond what a new model is worth. He also has gripes with the Toro and doesn't like how the bag won't fill all the way up.
He primarily bags his lawn. He's used my Exmark but struggles without an Autochoke and the weight of it. He loves the cut quality.
He doesn't have the funds to buy a new mower and he hates me buying a new one for him. But for my sanity sake it seems like the best option.
I was either looking at the Toro you bought, or a Honda for him. The personal pace system is easier on him but given the fact he doesn't take care of it I was wondering if the Honda wouldn't be easier? He hates feathering a bar for a transmission.
His whole concern with the Honda is he is worried about the inability to buy parts for it local. I buy all the parts as is and with the exception of air filters, spark plugs and oil, nothing is sold local. He owned an Ariens in the past, so I don't understand the concern.
The goal for me is to get something that will last 15 years under the current care regime. The Skag would be something I would love to upgrade to given the 30" and that sounds like it should last until Doomsday. I've never had a Kohler Engine though, I'm not sure how they compare to Briggs/Kawasaki/or Honda?
I might sell the Exmark 21" and use the proceeds to fund most of his mower. Then buy the Skag for myself.
I guess like a lot of things in life it just comes down to The Toro 190CC you have in the video, or a Honda. He's a retired military veteran and worked for the government his whole life. Has had 10+ major spinal surgeries, etc. So whichever you think might push better for him would be an asset.
If I could get a hold of the commercial lightweight Toro they discontinued in the late 2000's or early 2010's. The old Lawnboy design that would have been ideal! Amazing lawn mower, super lightweight, and I regret buying the Exmark over it! But if wishes were fishes... Thanks again, sorry for the long comment. My Dad's in his 70's but good health, so this will be the final mower and I want to get whatever would fit him best. His entire life he has never had a "new mower". So with Father's day and his birthday at almost the same time. I want to surprise him with it! $1000 with tax is my hard cap though.
A local dealer has the Toro through the end of the month for $799. May 1st it goes back to $899. So the price is right, just waiting to hear your verdict from you given the engine issues. You are right, lots of questionable issues people have had with it. But at 5 years on the warranty and a local Toro dealer if it's not a fatal flaw it might be viable. I can do the engine break in of 6-10 hours, before I hand it over. Usually I do a 20 minute oil change, idle for 5 minutes, put the engine under load for 15 and dump at 20, mow the yard and change again when done, and then at 5-6 hours. Probably overkill but oil is cheap and my Uncle who was a small engine mechanic recommended that for all Briggs or mowers when new. He also always suggested idling the mower for 5 minutes before putting a load on it(I never asked why). He passed away due to Covid unfortunately or I'd ask him for his take, or knowing him he'd probably rebuild the current Toro if it were feasible.
As for issues, given what you said, my curiosity is it a QC issue or user issue? Usually Toro pregaps the spark plugs so I doubt it is that. it makes me wonder if there is a QC issue with the newer Briggs, a lack of oil changes, or what might be wrong with the engines?
@@Vultain thanks for sharing this vultain! You clearly take good care of your stuff!
@@GarageGear Thank you for the compliment, it means a lot coming from you! Thanks for the videos and I've definitely learned a few things here and there from your channel! I need to try that Graphite under the deck at some point, as well as start wiping down the paint.
I'm definitely looking forward to hearing your verdict on the Toro too. But all good things in time. Sometimes catching something on sale isn't the best way to shop either, better to wait on a clear answer.
On a side note I think a good suggestion for you, would be to do a video on when you should put a mower out to pasture or work on rebuilding/fixing it. An oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure certainly, and I think proper maintenance and storage you can get 15-20 years out of a residential mower. But even the best of maintenance habits only take you so far unfortunately before you have to weigh cost effectiveness, especially when everything starts to go at once. And how to diagnose that.
I know I personally destroyed an engine crank shaft, as a kid by accidentally running over a tree stump in tall grass while mowing. The repair was worth more than the mower back then at least.
In summary it would be great video or series to determine when something is going to be a money pit or it's worth fixing. Maybe even show an engine rebuild on the channel? Or one where you resurface the deck and everything. Probably hard to do with everything else you do, but it could make for an amazing series one day!
There are some amazing vintage mowers out there! It would be cool to see that or even something loved, taken care of, but used well, be restored. While not always financially feasible, it does keep something out of a landfill and in use. It could be a great series! You've definitely done similar things though already with the old family Toro and what not. I suppose I'd be curious what you'd choose as a project mower?
@@GarageGear Lastly, I would have loved to have seen an hour meter to keep up with the journey on that Toro. I am curious to see how much wear and tear you do and how you maintain it. I figure you're already ahead of me on it and it's coming to a video soon.
Gonna buy spring of 2024. Self propelled residential mower. .25 acre. What should I buy?
I would try to find a gently used Honda if you can. It would be better than anything out there right now.
One thing I don't like about the newer models is they don't have a side discharge option. This is a big drawback for taller grass imo. Great video JB!
I agree! We’ll see how the chute they send work ms out! Thanks for watching bud!
Yeah agreed. Most of the baggers don't have the side discharge anymore. My 2011 model still does. Thank God
@@adriantomlin2902 companies are getting away from it for some reason.
Yep really dumb move
The only thing I have done to my Recycler is I had to get the valves adjusted a few years ago. Other then that, it's been a darn good mower.
Cool! Did you do the job yourself of take it to a dealer! Thanks for sharing Adrian!
@@GarageGear took it to a dealer and had it serviced, then got it back in about a week.
recycler or super recycler ??
They should have kept the side discharge. That's what I use on my 2 Toros. This will bog down if you only use it for mulching. Bagging shouldn't be an issue but you'll get the cleanest cut with the side-discharge.
Thanks for sharing bud! I’ll be getting that rear chute to test it out!
any reason to have dealer just place a mulching blade /s under a new super cycler before its brought home? maybe help with bogging issue and still use the cool redirection engineering under the deck to keep cutting grass clippings.
I bought the battery model and have found they have all the issues you just went over. The only only that really pisses me off is that the front wheels are not leveled ! On a level surface one wheel is always off the ground not by much but it clearly spins freely. Don't know what to do about it.
There is not much you can do unfortunately because it is a poor design. Thanks for watching.
I really like Toro lawn mowers and anything Toro product but I have the same problem with my Toro push lawn mower the motor sputters
Hey outdoors! Did you check the spark plug?
@@GarageGear yes
@@outdoorstuff3325 ok cool! I’m going to be keeping an eye on mine and if it does sputter I’ll be videoing how to resolve the issue.
@@GarageGear ok thanks
so would you buy this knowing all you know or the honda hrx217 hya or hza?
They tb! I would probably go Honda. I’ll probably be doing a comparison down the road! Stay tuned!
Great video JB! Thanks!! I hear Honda is no longer making gas powered mowers?
Hey jlb! Yep theyre out in September! Last season to grab a good mower from them! Appreciate the positive feedback bud!
@@GarageGear Supposedly that's not the case. Honda is building them in Europe's factory instead of here.
@@Tundra_Guy thanks for sharing
Based on this review i wish i could get another red deck supet recycler 21inch. I believe it was 21383 something like that.
Thanks for sharing Brody!
any updates? id be surprised if you used it
Hey hanselito! I did several videos on this mower if check out my channel.
I've had a Toro Recycler since 2016 and it's been a great mower for me. I do like the older style handle for the personal pace that my recycler has. Other than that seems to be built like a tank
We’ll see how she does once the grass gets going!
If ya have an old recycler for parts, I would rob that handle and get rid of that funky high arched one!
@@adriantomlin2902 another great idea! Thanks for watching Adrian!
It’s quite obvious you absolutely love doing these videos, JB.
Hahaha you can tell? Lol! I used to do car reviews for a dealership but this is more up my alley! Any plans for the weekend?
@@GarageGear just finished my taxes. I’m going to drink 😂😂
Going to pump off the pool cover and spend weekend with family just visiting at the house.
Good times
@@js12278 hahaha I hear ya! Enjoy my friend!
Note on the side discharge attachment. The reason why one has to request one is for waste reduction and offered to only those that want/need it. Sound reasoning actually.
Thanks for sharing
Personal pace sucks, I had a toro snow thrower with personnel pace. It's not a smooth, consistent speed.
I still prefer a go or stop, with a front wheel drive.
Also, this mowers under deck is over designed.
Cast aluminum deck is more brittle than stamped steel.
Plus, this mower is heavy.
I like toro mowers with simple practical design.
I am brutal to my lawn mowers. Sticks, pine cones, wood chips I chop them all up. Eventually, I break them and buy another. But, they hold up well considering the abuse I send them to.
Want to clean the bottom of the deck. Run over wood chips it will blast all the grass off without getting the deck wet. I use my tools hard. My mower is no exception.
My advice is a simple design. Not even a self-propelled but a push.
I'm older now, so I spoil myself with a self-propelled
Thanks for sharing overland
Do you have a follow up video on this machine?
I have done several videos on this mower. If you see my playlists you’ll find it! 👍
I think the reason Torp went with the rainbow design for the Toro because of the new Ariens Razor Mowers. Their reflex drive andle bar looks like it should of been installed on the Super Recyclers.
Hey empire! Saw that one ! Looks like everyone is trying to steal ideas from someone. Lol! Thanks for watching
@@GarageGear
If I may ask since I just bought my first house and looking to get my first mower. I'm actually torn between lawn three mowers and wanted to see what you would recommend since I have zoysia grass on my back hill.
I'm trying to decide between a Toro Super Recycler with the electric start, Honda HRX217VKA or the new Ariens Razor X with the Briggs 875exi engine.
All has their pros and cons but Im looking to get a mower that will last.
My Aunt has a Ariens Razor from 2013 and it's still going strong 10 years later and no rust.
My Uncle's Toro is over 20 years old and still starts with the first pull.
@@thegreatempire3882 hey empire! If you can knab that Honda I would go for it. There just built better. The toro has cheaper points nowadays compared to other models. Their engine quality isn’t where it used to be. The Ariens I heard has plastic gears in the drive wheels. Those will probably only last about two years or so. You can’t go wrong with the Honda. I’ll be reviewing on in a week or two! Stay tuned!
@@GarageGear
In the new Ariens that they are releasing this year?
The one more aunt had purchased is over 10 years old and still going strong. If it has plastic gearing, it's definitely holding up.
@@GarageGear which Honda model number compares to the Super Cycler/s by toro in regards to (how it cuts up the cuttings underneath the deck ) for small clippings ? i plan to mulch 50% of the time... 8000 total sq feet of personal lawn (1/2 tall fescue otger half bermuda) so I do some mowing year around. and yes i need to get to 4" of mowing height for the fescue for three or five months of the year (heat is incredible in Oklahoma). thanks
Thank you so much for this! You such a life saver 🙏
You got it jorling! Thanks for watching
Anybody have problems with the drive belt popping off besides me? Would love a video about belt replacement.
No belt problems on mine. I would make a video on this but I sold the mower last fall!