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DPF Deletes, Emissions: Lawyer Q&A
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- You guys sent us hundreds of questions about diesel emissions for us to ask an attorney. On today’s episode, we ask Stewart Cables from Hassan + Cables law firm about deleted trucks on the road, what is tampering, who does this affect, and what is the EPA enforcing? This is a must-listen if you want to hear facts and information.
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The EPA and federal government couldn't care less about the environment. It's ALL about money.
Timothy Howard Did you hear what the expert insider even said in the interview or do you have blinders on?
Trae Thibodeaux Should I listen to the expert who has worked in the industry for 10 years and was invited for the podcast or you? 🤔
@@plog1805 Did You Hear Him Say "In Their Mind" Which Means to ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES: "To Line Their Pockets"
its all about money and control just like the gun and 2a community.
It's about power.
None of us want to break the law. We want our freedom to live how we want to
If they want us to keep these things on our trucks then why dont they have a reliable setup....or have a lifetime warranty on all emission parts? The only reason I would take it off is reliability reasons and I'm sure I'm not the only that thinks like this
New technology is never reliable. It takes time to work the bugs out and that sucks for us.
Life time warrenty? You think a manufacturer is going to give us a lifetime warranty for free? No they would raise the price of trucks 10s of thousands of dollars. The diesel option already cost alot more then it should thanks to emissions equipment.
All I'm saying is emission is fine but dont make us keep unreliable crap on our trucks that dosen't work from more 30k (estimate) miles at a clip if its unproven than the epa should subsidize a longer warranty than is what is currently available or until a more reliable way to deal with emissions is found
@@edwarddumble6096 You can never work all the bugs out of something before it is put out for production. Just look at vehicle recalls. I agree with your theory, but that's not the real world.
Government subsidy? Let break that down. So you want everyone to pay for the repairs to your diesel truck through there taxes? I'm guessing not unless your a socialist.
The only thing reliable about a DPF system is that it's a matter of when not a matter of if they're going to fail.
@@dozerboyd8784 and if the system is found to be buggy updates at the level of the recall need to be performed.
Computer-controlled carburetors of the 80's are a great example of why. The only thing worse than a delete is a buggy system just ask any smog Tech.
The EGR is the component that cuts the vehicle life in half in that it recycles the black soot back into the engine and engine oil. NO1 killer
EGR redirects an extremely small amount of exhaust, gasoline or diesel, to lower combustion temps and lower NOX. The #1 killer of diesel trucks are lunkheads driving them overpressured and backwood-engineered to the point of meme level stupidity. Enjoy your EPA fine, you deserve it, because sometimes stupid hurts real bad.
J N I’m not deleted so I don’t deal with any fines. Keep your name calling to yourself.
@@JN-mk2fh Clearly you have never seen what the intake manifold looks like on an EGR equipped trucks with only 100K on it, full of soot. That soot also wears out your valve seats, piston rings and cylinder walls quicker.
Before EGR a car was done for at 100,000 miles. I have 165,000 miles on my car and hardly a problem.
@@ltcajh Gas and diesels are completley different when it comes to EGR, but If you want to talk about gas engines I have seen several non egr equipped gas engines go well over 100K, I have almost 250K on my Jeep 4.0 original engine, doesn't burn oil and has great compression.
I had a very reputable tuner (which i won't name even though they have already been shutdown from tuning about a year ago by the epa) write me 5 tunes for my lly a little over 6 years ago which is still running very strong thanks to deletes and tuning. Well this guy made one of those tunes a very powerful yet super clean street tune that shifts oh so butter smooth. I'm talking practically 0 soot coming out the exhaust when I'm on the pedal while driving pretty aggressively. I guess where im going with this is they should have a voluntary non-mandated test that if you want to run your deleted truck legally that as long as you can make a run that can pass a low particulate matter test close to the same visual output of a new fully emissions in tact truck those who qualify can be issued a permit to run that tune on the street legally. This would allow us to have legally qualified deleted trucks giving us the same reliability and fuel economy diesel enthusiasts have grown to luv. Then tuners could strive to hit this goal on the deletes. This way you don't put theses great guys, shops and aftermarket manufacturers out of business and as a nation we can burn less fuel in the process which will help the environment stay clean. Everyone with a delete will also have a chance to become compliant again in doing so because let's just be honest; the alternative is telling people its illegal and they better get their act together and get compliant and lets be honest... if you already have a delete there is no way you are going to put an egr and dpf back on your truck. 👍
@strikemaster99 I believe Kory Willis talked about this on a podcast here. The difference between emissions compliant vs emissions legal.
The EPA deserves an angry African taxi association to sort them out. No courts. They will be sorry they existed.
Completely skipping the reason for the deletes. The system's suck, break often, are expensive to maintain and reduce the life of the engine.
I would say that the industry understands that. the EPA does not care. he mentioned the industry producing bigger DPFs etc. i think that in the future you will see more products like the Bullydog performance DPF for newer vehicles that are EPA Clean Air compliant but are not as burdensome on the consumer.
William Yawn well they better hurry their ass up
It's all EPA and government bull shit . They need to do away with it .
You guys, thank you very much for taking the initiative to get the proper info to the masses. Wrong or right, all of us who either make a living from the diesel world or live the diesel life need to know this information. Thank you guys!!
Nice to hear an interview with someone articulate and well informed on the subject.
I want to ask everyone in the diesel community to write to their local representative and also SEMA. Below is what I sent SEMA, feel free to copy it or add/subtract to it but please let your voice be heard.
I would like to ask if you could use your reach to start a petition to help the diesel community against the overreaching ruling by the EPA. These new fines and rules completely kill the aftermarket for diesel enthusiasts along with the small businesses that serve the diesel community. We should be able to have tuning that works with the Federal Emissions equipment to help our diesel engines run stronger and more efficiently on public roads and on weekends if we are off roading or racing we should be able to swap the DPF to a straight pipe, turn the EGR off and run an off road only calibration to compete. Most enthusiasts in the diesel community are not in a financial situation to have a tube chassis race only diesel vehicle to use for racing or off roading along with the an additional truck and trailer to transport it to events. Most use their daily for work and for fun/light competition on weekends and need reliable efficient vehicles. To rule that owners/shops are under no circumstances able modify a registered diesel vehicle is an overreach considering running larger tires modifies the fuel mileage and would be considered illegal via EPA. Also when out of warranty owners should be able to replace failed parts with upgraded aftermarket parts. If SEMA can get CA to reverse the illegal exhaust law I'm confident you can help with this also.
Thanks,
Kris
Where do I sign up.. I sent my state rep something for pa
Great write up. This government is attacking a lot of items right now. Not anything that I’m proud of but an ex-smoker that quit by vaping and it’s being banned and attacked too I honest could say I haven’t felt better in my life since I quit. Sux I vape and love my diesel trucks. Being attacked in just about every angle these days. America is not so free anymore.
Chris Farley they f *** with my video games it’s over. 😂 that’s about all I have left other than my fishing poles and hunting rifles.
Yeah send in your letters with info so the states can group together and enforce more diesel roadside emission tests from all u guys that want to run non compliance diesels. U think guys are gonna switch back to emissions to drive the truck back down the rd from track? C'mon u guys are sounding as dumb as a high school kid
@minterfab it does, it still has to meet what's allowed for your yr truck on a emissions test. They do them road side. All they gotta see is a puff of smoke, or a taillight out, they pull u over, then ask when last rd side test was done, if never, U get the test. Then u get a pass sticker on your windshield or fail. Been pulled over twice for something stupid then they give u the test. It's not local law enforcement, its DOT Looking at big rigs , can happen anywhere. I've been tested in both big rigs also, 98, and a 01 , both cat motors no emissions, but they still have a allowable amount for that model year
I bet some of the same people trying to stop our diesels smoke cigarettes on their break and then tell us about their clean air initiatives.
Great insight Diesel Podcast, just wanna thank you for continuing your mission to inform the diesel community. I have a few questions and major concerns with the EPA and their agenda, I'll start by saying all of this would be fine if we as customers/business owners had a firm and concrete arena in which we could operate in. It seems as if anyone who has done anything other than install an air intake and "DPF back" exhaust would be in violation of the EPA's Clean Air Act. My point is when people act like this is not a big deal as if this doesn't include turbos, HP fuel pumps, upgraded injectors, etc, bothers me because upgrading any of these components will require tuning and in turn I strongly believe that if we were to have the truck emissions tested we would fail, where does this leave us other than scratching our head about what we can and cant do to get more power out of our trucks? Am I right in thinking the EPA doesn't seem as focused on the consumer as they are the larger companies selling the products? That is great for the end user and every truck owner with a 700+ HP non compliant diesel but what about the hundreds of small business owners that thrive on the reselling of aftermarket diesel products? Are they supposed to come to a screeching halt on what they know and love, not to mention what provides for their families and what supports the entire diesel racing community?
Thanks for providing good information and clarifying the position that the diesel community is in; although, I do feel this is a massive overreach of big government. We should be able to do whatever we want to our own property. Even though I am not in a financial situation to make these changes to my truck, if I did have it, I absolutely would have loved to, to make it much more reliable and more efficient. What happened to the auto heritage of our country, and our freedom? Now because of ludicrous regulations we have to spend damn near the cost of a house to buy a vehicle. Sad.
18 years working in Clean Air Act compliance, with the last eight spending the majority of my time dealing with engine compliance. This is (finally) the best (sadly also the only) decent content out there on this topic.
I've been trying to post factual information for a while (a couple of years) on various CZcams videos, but it seems like nobody actually listened. Hopefully they'll listen to the same things I've been saying, but now from a lawyer.
Will Rottgering why don’t y’all pick on billionaire companies instead of kicking around the little guys? Just a bunch of bullies.
@@oinchadoomandwolfboy I don't make the rules, my job is to just help people comply with them.
Will Rottgering then why do you flex your muscle in multiple other comments? You are trying to intimidate people. Look man, I think the EPA has done so many great things for our nation and I appreciate you, but it is not right to fine the end consumers.
@@oinchadoomandwolfboy seriously, I'm just tired of all of the misinformation that I've been seeing and reading for years. I'm not a tree hugger, my job is compliance; read the rules interprete and make sure we don't break them. Honestly, if I was, it would be a conflict of interest for me at work.
Regarding going after the people; I'm a staunch believer in the rule of law and that we ALL be held accountable equally. I don't care if you're a billionaire or what, if you break the law, you pay the same price regardless. IMO, this is one of the major problems in this country right now; politicians and the rich being held to a different standard... But that's a discussion for another arena...
As such, it doesn't matter who you are, if you broke the law by removing emissions controls, you are guilty. As I mentioned in another response, the shops broke the law by performing the work and the owners broke the law by having the work done and then knowingly operating a non-compliant vehicle.
Again, my only motivation here is to provide some factual guidance on this subject. This video is so far the best thing I've seen on this topic so far. I'm hopeful that people will extract their heads from their asses eventually and wake up to the facts.
Will Rottgering 👍🏽
So the President just signed an executive order a few days ago limiting the power of the epa and other government agencies. Does that have any effect on our industry?
aaronshuttlesworth I’d also like to know
I had to sell my 95 7.3 power stroke flat bed out of state, had to take a loss . That is a great truck . Now I have to get rid of my 2007 power stroke F-450 dump,has less than 60,000 miles.I’m 60yrs old now and have to buy 2 more trucks . Going to have to finance over $200,000.00
It will take 10years to pay the trucks off , then in 2030 these trucks will not be able to use in Ca.
The people who make these laws will never experience this because they never had to own and drive a truck to make a living.
We should be able to finish our working lives with the equipment we worked earned and spent years paying for.
Starting over,
From an old tired working man .
So if the EPA so concerned WHY is the US Government military except from emissions? Not one vehicle has a DPF or EGR! Explain that????
When you have TV shows and social media all set up around the idea of “rolling coal” - this was bound to happen.
All I see when people role Coal is there is money out the tail pipe and less fuel miles
The best thing is to sue The epa for not enforcing the emissions standards for their own diesel vehicles. Most government vehicles are exempt.
Also looking into who is lobbing the epa, is it oem manufacturers, egr system manufacturers , urea manufacturers, companies that are developing electric trucks its like someone is trying to push out the diesel engine. Some one is making money on all of this that is pushing stricter regs.
Jordy40Growing like most BS these days,,,,,, follow the money trail.
I agree, Definitely feels like they are trying to push the diesel out. I don’t even want to know what an electric truck would cost that is capable of the same performance as a diesel. It would take a ton of batteries.
Look at who is making money off charging stations, which BTW is gonna be powered by fossil fuel lol
Also they can't make an ev capable of diesel standards yet that can stay within exceptable power consumption
@@sashby77 agreed. Then you look at the lithium batteries and where do they go after their service life. All the plastics come from petroleum. It’s a big scam for control. If the gov shuts down power like they do in California then oops looks like you can’t go anywhere. It’s to obvious if you look at the facts and consider what the actual impacts are. But most people want to feel good thinking they are saving the planet. While the military , airline, ships have no emissions whatsoever. Vote these commie scum out.!
I'd like to know what Law gives the EPA its power. As far as I know, the EPA is an unConstitutional government entity.
correct. for a law to be legal it has to be subject to Presidential veto
@@dirtbeard108 It's not just the law that's illegal, but the agency itself is illegal, lol.
Good luck fighting them in Court.
That's the whole point, isn't it? Totalitarian gestapo, illegal court? Engine swap to an older SN, is not illegal. :-)
The Clean Air Act is Law passed by Congress and signed by the President. Which makes it completely Constitutional.
Everyone knew these parts were technically illegal in the first place. They all say for off road use only, but an extremely small population would abide by those rules. Sure, a straight pipe sounds way better, you can pop the hood and see tons of better flowing parts, extra horsepower is awesome, plus you get the reliability factor. & Let’s face it, we all dumped a little smoke on a Prius before. I think there are good and bad things with emissions. if we give it time, it will work out. Whether it be better aftermarket emissions equipment or a more reliable stock setup. Things have advanced a ton in the last decade. The answers are out there, we just have to find them. One crappy part, is that these trucks aren’t cheap. You can still find a 10+ year old truck for 25-30k. Protecting my investment is the hardest part about the whole thing. I’m not saying to give in either, the easiest answer is going to be “screw the epa, I’m staying deleted”.... but probably not the best way to go about it. I think if we at least make efforts to comply or plea our case as to why this particular emissions equipment is hurting the vehicle rather than why deleting all of it is better, hopefully they’ll back off a little bit. Manufactures put these product to market knowing we are the true test dummies. We Gotta be smarter!
TheHotsauce142 Most truthful level headed answer you will find in the comments.
Fuck the epa
Buy. Delete. Drive. Ignore epa - move. Enjoy the truck
We all understand the reason why CARB & EPA want to have this kind of emission equipment on modern diesel trucks. That said, a well tuned diesel probably pollutes LESS than a fully choked emission diesel that has its system degraded due to lack of maintenance or other factors. And taking into account of the absolute numbers of diesel owners who actually modify their engines, it is really a very very small number when you talk about this on a global scale.
As this attorney stated, CARB & EPA are just picking at the low hanging fruit. For folks that want to see what is coming down the pipeline, you just have to look at the liberal insanity in the state of CA! The CA governor has enacted a law that by 2035, all new vehicles for sale in CA will be zero emission!!! And looking at the federal government now with the idiot in charge - it wouldn't be long, maybe less than 10 years, before they begin to outlaw diesels completely!!!
The atmosphere around this planet is one - not segmented around states nor countries. While the US government are cracking down on us, China, the world's greatest polluter is building and putting on line one coal fired power plant each week.
Lastly - we should be cracking down on electric vehicles!!! Those clown cars do nothing but use more natural resources to build something that no one wants and it saves nothing on this planet. No one talks about the toxic waste that awaits the end of life Li-Ion batteries that because of uniqueness of build, it cannot be recycled. We already have fuel efficient gasoline vehicles but yet, this entire country is plowing ahead on EVs as if it was a gift from God. There is no net savings of any kind from EVs!!! This is significantly worse than any pollution from modifications done to any modern diesel!!!
Not going to happen because that pos will be removed from power
Thank you for this information, this is the kind of concise intelligent without all of the emotional BS knowledge that I am looking for. Look at the torque and HP that we are seeing with stock vehicles that are emission compliant. Black smoke is unburned power it is like advertising stupidity. Banks is a company that makes emission compliant tunes that make even more power over stock.Removing components, bypassing systems, voiding warranties, damaging drivetrain (transmission), and destroying resale value is just dumb. I speak with over 40 years experience as an ASE Master Technician & smog tech.(retired)
I will look to banks to set up my new truck run with no egr but have the scr run
thank you for this and the other podcast from March this year w/ the same attorney. frustrating seeing affordable, reliable ICE's being legislated away. makes it that much harder to see people i love from coast to coast, when cost per mile keeps rising
Thanks for listening!
So,if I had my truck deleted and tuned,yet my emissions were cleaner or as clean as epa standards,what would the outcome be?
I know of a deleted 2015 3500 with a diesel. It doesn't blow a puff of smoke if step on the go pedal. You really have to get down on it, romp on it or what ever you in want to call it to make it smoke.
Would it be possible to start fighting back against manufactures and the EPA for adding products that severely impact the reliability of vehicles?
No.
Does the person that owns the “illegal” truck get in trouble or just the person or company that sold the product?
Dealing with the government agencies is like dealing with cops, their is no negotiation..
You are also treated guilty right from the get go
The question(s) I always ask in such a situation is Q: What is the subject being regulated? Does it apply to me or my activity? A: In this case of the Federal Government (re the EPA) the subject is "Commerce among the several states" or " Inter-state" to wit: Art 1 Sec. 8 Clause 3 [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; . . . So then it would stand to reason, that if I'm not engaged in the activity of transportation among the several states, the EPA has no authority over me. This, then, would lead to another question in line with "intra-state" regulation. Q: Does this apply to my activity within my state? In my case, Texas, the "Transportation Code" would regulate "intra-state" commerce. (Each Code, in Texas, shall have one subject and one subject only) A: I'm not engaged in any "commercial or for hire" activity within the state of Texas, therefore, the Transportation Code does not apply to me.
CAUTION: You'd better become knowledgeable on how to address and defend this in a court of law by yourself.
It is each person's responsibility to do their own research!
DISCLAIMER - I'm not an attorney nor have I played one on TV.
Link to US Codes uscode.house.gov/
The most bothersome thing personally is their attachment to keeping the egr systems. On average (while reducing NOX emissions) the egr is reducing efficiency through introduction of a non combustible gas, and the reduction of in cylinder temperature of combusted products. With reduced cylinder temperatures, more soot is produced causing dpf regens to occur roughly twice as often vs no egr use, using fuel to complete the regen cycle more often and generating CO2 in place of reducing NOX emissions. On top of that, the exhaust gas being introduced to the intake combines with the oil mist of the pcv valve causing severe caking of the intake tract, reducing efficiency, and creating hot spots in the cylinders and on the valves where carbon has built up. This reduces engine life. Furthermore, the minimal amount of blowby with extra soot in the combustion chamber causes soot loading in the oil. This blackens the oil extremely quickly. Since oil filters can only filter down to 20 microns or so, the smaller soot particles have to remain in suspension to keep from causing metal fatigue between moving parts. So if the oil becomes saturated, even if its before a recommended change interval, it begins causing damage to the internals of the engine. Meaning to keep an engine operating well, you need to regularly remove and clean the egr, intake tract, and keep the oil changed very regularly. On top of this, the dpf life is shortened meaning at minimum, you have to clean it every 80k miles after performing ideal driving and regularly completing regen cycles over its life. I could care less about the dpf and def systems since they can last a good while and can be maintained. I absolutely despise the use of egr with its extreme impact on efficiency and engine longevity. I don't even mind full deletes when they're tuned properly and don't constantly blow black smoke. If you want to do that, have a separate tune for when you're racing or doing tractor pulls and run the clean deleted tune on the street.
Go look into more detail about the emissions systems. SCR reduces EGR flow, so it doesn't have as much of an impact as it used to. Also, regens are required less often if you keep the engine running lean (as designed) and get it hot on the interstate (passive regen).
These rules have NOTHING to do with CO2 emissions
Yes EGR needs to go, innovation and development required, all for after treatment systems but Eating your own crap ain’t cool.
@@UltimateBimmerSVC We've had EGR on gasoline cars for a LONG time (70's?). The problem was really the higher sulfur fuel that we had prior to 2007 (It is the primary solid pollutant in "clean" diesel exhaust). ULSD at 15 ppm causes much fewer issues than the old HSD or LSD fuel and is part of the reason that Ford had so many issues with the VGT on the 6.0.
Engines with SCR (use DEF) flow much less EGR volume than the old engines did. If you want proof, just look at the difference in oil change intervals on the 2012 vs. 2014 Ram Cummins.
Will Rottgering I don’t care if it’s reduced it needs to be gone. You dont see it on gasoline engines anymore, everyone knows after 72’ the gas engines became weezers. Innovation and advancement can hopefully find a better solution!
@@wlrottge The Def and SCR is way downstream of the EGR, and has no effect of how that EGR works. Ask any oem diesel mechanic how bad the egr system harms the engine.
Thank you for this pod cast!
Very informative and this lawyer just raised the prices of 2nd Gen trucks by more then half. Kinda like Barret Jackson did to muscle cars. Also the reason I listened was how does this effect the end user the consumer? He only touched on the sale and manufacture. Is the epa going to target the consumer?
Have a question is there a serviceable DPF that can be removed with flanges so you do it yourself to clean it 2015 - 2019 and newer ? 6.7 powerstroke.... if so I like to know
Thank You
To our knowledge, there are some in the works. The testing process for CARB/EPA compliance takes some time but it’s in process. We will definitely talk about it on the podcast in the future!
What is going to happen tot he older diesels motors? I aam looking at purchasing a 1996 tour bus, how will the EPA rules and regulations affect me?
This Podcast rocks. Thank for all the information. I emailed Stewart a few questions, keep in mind I’m just an average Duramax owner. I got back to me within minutes which was very impressive. Thanks for everything you do !!!
Heber
Great blog on the emmisions issue keep up the good WORK
It’s all about money for the epa. That’s why some shops, after a visit and fine from the epa get told “business as usual” while others are given unrealistic and unreasonable instructions to follow after the fine is given.
So can I sell my 2011 Deisel truck with a deleted def in Texas? yes or no, I'm so confused about this. I honestly didn't know this was a big deal when I bought it used from a dealership 3 months . ago. Does this mean I'm stuck with it?
So..... Shops that they find were selling emissions defeat devices before June. How are they finding those shops accountable? It was my understanding that they transferred liability by stating for off road use only and the liability was then on the consumer.
Million dollar fines. Google it. Dozens of them.
I just want to say this answered about 10% of my questions. If he is a lawyer and is well versed, then ask HIM about the road map. I want to know as a owner EXACTLY what is legal and not. Like a quick fire round. Dpf delete? Legal or illegal (obviously I know the answer to that) , egr?, exh mani? Bigger tires that throw off factory tunes? Intercooler? Etc etc...
Hey thanks for watching! Last week on our social medias we asked everyone to send us questions to ask a lawyer about this topic. We complied a list of the most popular ones we got. Hopefully you found the 10% beneficial. If you have more specific questions, we put his contact information in the description.
The answer is easy. Currently, anything that changed the exhaust stream from the intake filter to the exhaust tip, that doesn't have an EPA testing certificate, is illegal. Currently, tire sizes have not been tested to see how they affect the emissions and I hope they never do.
I have a 2006 Cummins 3500 for sale now... just as safe as gold...
I have seen a few states, maybe most, have waivers you can purchase if cost of a repair on emission systems is more than a few hundred dollars..
So what happens if your diesel is already deleted?
James Edge put it back to stock
@@user-vd9fz5ey9m funny
@@Biggchad whats funny? the fact that stupid asses wanted smoke tunes and "power tunes with all the smoke" they created this issue if this goes through you will be putting trucks back to stock to pass emissions period.
you can make good street power and not smoke.
W with cats, scr, dpf, and egr you can’t.
Aaron DuBois can’t what put it back to stock or you can’t tune them like I stated ? Cause of you think you can’t put parts back on after they are removed that’s ridiculous or if you can’t make power with out smoke your are one of the stupid asses that created this issue
The diesel industry is being singled out, Were the biggest cash cow out there right now and ripe for the pickin. Can’t tell me all twin turbo mustangs, Camaros, and corvettes runnin around have “Emissions Compliant” tuning, or would pass an EPA inspection.
This is the beginning of the end. they're just fueling the fire to come after everybody. This is the beginning of the end for Motorsports in America.
Did you listen to the podcast??
It isn't a cash cow, the EPA is looking for the best value for the dollar. They could hire a ton of lawyers and go after every single person with a non-compliant vehicle, but they would spend years and billions of dollars while never getting all of that money back.
Going after the manufacturers and distributors is an easy way to drive people to be compliant without spending a lot of time and money to get the same result.
Go back and listen to the podcast!!
Will Rottgering Really? They’re going after the manufacturer and distributors of “defeat devices” and tuning companies of diesel trucks. But what about the shops that are taking a 2018 Corvette, swapping heads, cams, headers, straight exhaust, twin turbos and a big tune pushing 1000+hp drivin around on the street....I don’t see them cracking down on that side of things....The point I was making was that if it was really unbiased and about emissions, they’d be going after everyone.
@@terryelliott1785 it comes down to the basic science of how an Otto (gasoline) engine works vs. a Diesel.
Simply put, just go look in Chapter 3 of EPA AP-42 or webFIRE and compare the emissions rates.
Back to the chemistry/physics of engines.... Diesel engines by design run lean. Have you heard the saying, "to make power, you have to make smoke"? That smoke comes from unburned fuel, sulfur (minimally now because of ULSD) and carbon (soot) formed during combustion. The unburned/partially burned fuel is both a vapor and small droplets of liquid fuel. That smoke contains a wide variety of organic molecules, many of them being cyclic and/or otherwise determined to be carcinogenic, mutagenic, etc. Those compounds are classified by the EPA as Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs) and regulated more stringently than others compounds.
Regardless of the particles being solid or liquid, they are very very small. The smallest particles fall into categories based on their size and are known as PM10 and PM2.5. i.e. Particulate Matter 10 microns or 2.5 microns. At those sizes, they are small enough to get deep into your lunges and can be absorbed directly into your bloodstream. Would you want that stuff in your lunges, let alone your blood? What about your elderly parents, wife, children, etc?
Beyond HAPs, the other emissions are Criteria Pollutants (CO [asphyxiant], SOx [acid rain], Lead, PM [particulate matter] and their precursors (NOx and VOCs [transforms into ozone with sunlight]. I don't think I need to explain why acid rain or breathing carbon monoxide, lead or dust is bad for you, so we'll look at NOx and VOCs. Ever see smog? That's a combination of dust/soot and ground level ozone. You don't want to breath ozone because it is a respiratory irritant. It deadens your sense of smell and triggers inflammation in your airways; think about someone with asthema or COPD and how that would affect them... Or consider that you could give an otherwise heathy child asthma for the rest of their life...
Why does this matter? Because diesel engines when tuned to make more power GENERALLY emit worse chemicals than tuned gasoline engines due (not in every case). Of those compounds, the NOx, HAPs and fine particulates are the biggest concerns. Just think, have you ever seen a tuned gas car roll coal? No, you haven't. Not to mention, look at the displacement and fuel burn rates of gas vs. diesel engines; it's just and economy of scale, bigger engine, more boost, more fuel, more emissions. Without looking at any data, I'd be willing to bet that a tuned gasser burns cleaner than a tuned diesel. Additionally, you can't modify a gas engine to bump the power as easily as you can a diesel. Because of the volatility of the fuel, you can't boost a gas like you can a diesel and therefore have to work a lot harder to up the power. As such, the EPA is after the vehicles that cause the biggest problems...
If you understand the physics, chemistry and engineering, it makes sense. Yes, I have a 2014 CTD that I'd love to tune, but... It's the law, I work in air quality compliance with a focus on engines and really like the fact that my truck doesn't soot up my boat like my 7.3 did and I can stand by the exhaust with it running and not get fumed out.
In closing, I'm a conservative with very libertarian leanings. I don't care what you do generally, but like my father always told me, "your rights end where someone else's begin". Does your right to tune your truck and roll coal out weigh the right of someone else to have clean air to breath?
Will Rottgering I own a diesel as well and I don’t want to “Roll Coal”. Personally I’ve never seen the point. I understood why it was prevalent in older trucks because they lacked the technology of today’s trucks, but making a current model truck blow clouds and clouds of black smoke just because they think it’s cool is idiotic. But the actual law doesn’t just cover the emissions side of it, it states that “anything that is added or changed on an engine not from factory that changes the emissions of the vehicle” Even if the gasoline engines burn cleaner, which I’m not arguing, they are still breaking the same law, and the epa is aware of it but hasn’t done anything about it.
So my truck is deleted could I get pull over and be fine by the police? How much is the fine? Since I live in California
Yes especially in cali
@@calebbroege1333 but will get pull over if she see any black smoke? I do have a big pipe coming out but my time doesn't produce black smoke
Make sure it does not smoke . There is an 800# people can call and turn your license plate number into the dmv .
@@randywilliams4325 thank you very much
I haven’t heard of anyone getting pulled over but who knows California sucks and I live here too
So the epa is wanting to punish someone for wanting better mileage and performance out of their diesel because a few people have taken it to a extreme? Just because you can't see the exhaust doesn't mean it's not there!! And have they done any testing on these trucks and cars to see what the egr systems and the high heat from the dpf's do to the engines ? I'm a tech for a dealer and the insides of the intakes are just caked with soot from the egr reducing flow and efficiency of the engine!! And on another note what comes out the tail pipe having to inject def for a regen? Is that hurting the environment?
The DEF systems decrease the EGR volume, so in that sense it's better for the engine.
If people would read the side of the DEF box, they'd see that it's 68% water and 32% urea... Also used as nitrogen fertilizer. It's not methyl ethyl death.
And, I've been in meetings with the EPA and engine manufactures, the emissions decreases from the SCR system blow the doors off of the old pre emissions trucks.
@@wlrottge From reading all of these post it appears that you are a person to ask this question to. I have a truck from the 30's that I planned on putting a 2008 6.7 Cummins in. What am I legally able to do and not do? Is this truck going to be subject to emissions? Does all of this go off of vehicle or engine model year?
@@jamessheets9205 the majority of my work is on stationary engines, but the rules for mobile equipment overlaps quite a bit. I wouldn't say I'm an expert on your situation, but I'll tell you what I know (and do a little research).
The stationary engine rules are based on the year the engine is manufactured while the vehicle rules are based on vehicle model year. This is why "glider" trucks are popular; they take old equipment, refurbish it and essentially make it like new. You can get a more modern vehicle, but without the requirements to have the expensive of a DPF, EGR or SCR.
I had to do some reading, but am still not convinced either way yet. In your case, although the truck is 1930's, your engine will likely still be subject to the New Source Performance Standards that were in place in 2008. At least for stationary engines, the rules are based on engine year. All of the references in the vehicle rules are for model year of there vehicle and do not differentiate between that and the engine year.
Taking that approach, you don't have any rules to comply with, however... Since this is a restomod situation (old truck, new engine), you may be required to meet the standard for the engine year.
I'll admit, I'm conflicted on what the correct answer is. On one hand, your truck predates all emissions requirements and falls outside even the most stringent age limit I could find (45 years old to be exempt from testing). On the other hand, the stationary rules require that engines meet the applicable limits for the engine years and even require that old engines be brought up to new standards when being rebuilt. It's hard to see that they'd allow an emissions controlled engine on the road without being compliant.... But, how do you retrofit such an old vehicle with OBDII, etc...?
If I were to bet, I'd say that you don't have to meet any emissions requirements because of the age of the vehicle, but if I'd call your DMV to verify. If you do call, let me know what they say, because I'm curios what they say.
Sorry it isn't a definitive answer, but in my line of work, we don't get to be wrong, so I don't want to lead you astray.
@@wlrottge I understand that you are not able to give a concrete answer. I still very much appreciate your explanation. I've owned this engine for almost ten years. It is from a Dodge/Ram truck. My original intention was to get it running on a stand first. I still have the egr valve and the egr cooler. I have no exhaust components or harnesses. These engines can be made to run stand alone with no BCM, TIPM, or TCM. I don't know for sure but I think the exhaust harness doesn't connect directly to the engine harness. This could make running emissions equipment almost impossible. I would pretty much have to find a 2008 truck and strip everything out of it. I guess my original question should have been this. To make this engine run stand alone I have to reflash the ECM to remove the skim key/security features, flash from auto to manual because I won't be using a 68rfe transmission, and remove emissions since I don't have the whole system. These early systems were not the greatest either. I think I'm going to have problems getting it tuned even it it turns out to be legal to do. No one really seems to have any answers. There will always be underground tuning (it's just the nature of the beast) but I want clean burning tunes from a competent person. Finding that person is going to be the problem because no one really knows if it would be legal to do in my situation or not.
@@jamessheets9205 I'd rather give you an honest, "I'm not sure" with some info than send you down the wrong path.
Reading your post makes me think even more about the challenges you'd face retrofitting the new engine with all of the controls and electronics to an old truck. Given the size difference of the two... Where would you fit everything, lol?
I do think there are some pretty good tuners out there that will be able to help you. Personally, I'm a fan of Jodie and his guys at DP Tuner. They were very helpful when I had a Ford 7.3; he's been on the emissions compliant band wagon for a long time and hope he'll come out with some Cummins legal products.
I think the best bet for you is to ask you state/local DMV, but... Be careful you get someone competent that understands what you're doing.
What are the companies that are making bigger DPF for vehicles or omissions compliant tunes and or turbos for our diesel vehicles. Are there any companies doing anything with EGR coolers or exhaust recirculation
What about trucks that are already deleted (my state don't do emissions on Diesels) are they going to be fined or forced to make the compliant?
Make every EPA employee drive a diesel with a DPF on it. And they must fix it themselves when the DPF clogs with ash as mine was at 67000 miles.
Mine was 72000 on my cruze diesel wanna delete it so bad
Other than what you can visually see how do they know you deleted your vehicle. Does the dealer turn you in?
We saw recently an individual selling a deleted truck was reported to the EPA and received a letter. So in that case, it could be someone reporting another person. Most of it so far, at least in what we heard on this episode and others, are businesses being fined. There are reports of individual issues, but to our knowledge, it hasn’t been on a widespread scale.
So did he say there is still an exemption for race only vehicles? That would enable companies to get a signed contract from individuals, passing on the responsibility of being not compliant with emissions? Seems like that may be the ticket
Garret Jobe That is how the companies have been able to avoid sanctions for years already.
Problem is, if you show up with a truck that has a license plate on it, the EPA would say that they knew you were operating it on the road and shouldn't have worked on or sold you the parts. Like selling beer to a kid with a learner's permit; he didn't have a normal ID, so you knew he was underage without even checking the date
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What if I own a 2012 Cummins engine blows up. I have a spear 5.9 I throw it in. What happens then?
I’m planning my next truck to be a newer Cummins. Does this mean that they will be less reliable and will not last as long without being able to do a delete?
If the manufacturer of the egr,dpf,Def injection systems are responsible for the lifetime of the vehicle, then this would not be an issue.
How does the Supreme Court ruling on coal plant emissions potentially trickle down to vehicles?
Let's start a lawsuit against epa for infringing on our rights to do what we want with our own property!!!!!! Let's have them prove that this emission crap is working this improved motor function.!!!
Geez, I heard more commercials than content. WTF?
Michel Foshee The content was free.
You are getting this information for FREE! If you listen to any of their other episodes you would know these guys aren’t backed by some large corporation or company pushing its own agenda and parts! Do you go to your job and work for FREE? No? Then shut the fuck up and be appreciative these folks take the time to bring this information to the community! Or you know what? You could always get CZcams premium and then you wouldn’t have to bitch about ads!
There were a lot of ads. Good content but also a lot of ads.
My question is if you live in a state where only a visual inspection is done on diesels and in the county i live in is carb exempted.....Wouldn't i still be able to delete a new diesel and it would not be a problem?
If you can find the parts to do it.
When is the EPA going to reimburse me for all the very expensive engine repairs caused by the additional stresses (high pressures and temperatures) their required pollution control systems have placed on my engine?
With tongue firmly planted in cheek: Since I can only (legally) use half the tunes, are the prices for tuning systems going to drop? I know there are R&D, payroll and other overhead costs to recover, but my L5P tuning budget isn't big enough...yet!
Thanks very informative 👍
So what does this mean for people who already own a deleted diesel, should they undelete or just ride it out?
You broke the law... What you do is up to you, but so are the consequences
Will Rottgering first chill my truck is a old 7.3l but some of my family bought 6.4l and were deleted well before this was being talked about like mid 08 just kind of weird for them they have been driving these trucks all this time and now do you just keep going or sell or put everything back on, what are the chances/ consequences exactly if you do get caught? These things aren’t clear
@@desertdieselgang7985 I'm just tried of all the misinformation and sugar coating that people are giving. I do air compliance for a living and have a lot of experience here.
I had a NICE 2000 F350 SW CC 4WD Lariat 7.3 that I modded, so I know the engine well. Since it's pre 2003, it would be hard to prove that you aren't compliant unless your blowing smoke/rolling coal, or they checked the computer, pulled infectors, etc. So you probably won't have any issues unless you smoking.
As far as the 6.4's go... Lol... Sorry, good luck, terrible engine. Hope they're running Cat ELC coolant in them or the water pump is going to take out the lower end when it eats a hole through the back of the front cover from cavetation.
This is one area that I'm weak on. My understanding is that dealers are not supposed to sell non-compliant vehicles, however that may vary state to state. IF they were required to only sell emissions complaint vehicles, then they could possibly go after the dealership for breaking the law by knowingly selling a modified truck to them.
@@desertdieselgang7985 regardless, the state DOT or department of environmental quality could require them to reinstall emissions equipment and compliant tunes. This will probably just depend on where they live and if they get caught.
Will Rottgering that makes sense just had so much mis information on the subject, none was to put it in black and white and list if you do this---- this ---- will happen
Just one question for Stewart cables. What factual evidence would the EPA have to prove a written instrument called the constitution applies and there fore creates obligations?
Eric Schreiber we put his email in the description, and he’s happy to answer questions.
I’m basically challenging the EPAs foundational claim against anyone that is charged with the clean air act the epa believes if your physically in the US then the laws apply and all that’s based on is an assumption not actual fact. I’m just curious what he has to say about that.
The Clean Air Act is legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President. It has survived Supreme Court challenge. That’s as Constitutional as it gets.
2 points identified here, error or incomplete discussion. This is not up to Par for a guy getting paid so much money to be mentally agile in "litigation" and discussing a legal topic.....
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"Negatively affect the air" and that under the conditions of On Road use, right? He didn't confirm that truth/fact of the Law. So therefore the burden of proof, actual Proof not assumption by the EPA, is that a shop sold and installed parts/deletes to On Road use purposely. A shop is not citizens/buyer Nanny or Keeper. And any lawyer worth salt knows to reply to the RFI from that angle. "Prove I did it and knowingly/maliciously, otherwise I told the customer,...This is for Off Road use only."
Then when they go back to the drawing board from perspective "there's too many 2003 and previous trucks to go after", then "now we have to go after the added 2003 and newer. That's even more too many"
2)
So there was a random switch in Stewart's conversation that the 2003/older models that that would be the EPA going after the trucks "too many". That'd be the truck owners. Then switching to the Seller of the deletes/parts, not the truck owners.
Remember people, the EPA are fallible, biased, take the path of least resistance, and emotionally influenced human beings too, like citizens. Confidence and Mental Agility is what wins All engagements of 2 people or groups. And it's quite clear that the municipalities and authorities are not any more confident or agile as they should be to have their roles. Therefore when you confidently and easily put them back on their heels with their own information/tactics/intimidations, you win. The key is to educate yourself in all their information, or just the key powerful points, use it back on them, and listen to the crickets in their camp.
All your engagements with all municipalities and authorities are wisely handled this way. You'll be absolutely surprised how often the authority, with their many discretions, will absolutely be dumbfounded at a citizens confidence and knowledge equal or higher than theirs, they will forcibly respect their defeat and leave you alone. Because their #1 tool/tactic is intimidation through strategic spoken incomplete information coming from their positions seat. They're not God, they're fellow selfish ignorant imperfect humans. And none of them are without violations of some kind some where in their lives.
And a possessor of mentally agility and communication skills, will bring up this exact fact to them as they ponder the hypocrisy they're operating in at the moment they're trying to squeeze you while there's other topics they're amply squeezable in.
The question(s) I always ask in such a situation is Q: What is the subject being regulated? Does it apply to me or my activity? A: In this case of the Federal Government (re the EPA) the subject is "Commerce among the several states" or " Inter-state" to wit: Art 1 Sec. 8 Clause 3 [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; . . . So then it would stand to reason, that if I'm not engaged in the activity of transportation among the several states, the EPA has no authority over me. This, then, would lead to another question in line with "intra-state" regulation. Q: Does this apply to my activity within my state? In my case, Texas, the "Transportation Code" would regulate "intra-state" commerce. (Each Code, in Texas, shall have one subject and one subject only) A: I'm not engaged in any "commercial or for hire" activity within the state of Texas, therefore, the Transportation Code does not apply to me.
CAUTION: You'd better become knowledgeable on how to address and defend this in a court of law by yourself.
It is each person's responsibility to do their own research!
DISCLAIMER - I'm not an attorney nor have I played one on TV.
Link to US Codes uscode.house.gov/
@@thomashargraves8947 Correct. They're not trained to quite know how to answer in context of such engagement with someone either, and usually first go back to a "I'm the God, just do what I say" or an older officer will just fall on his personal path of least resistance for his day or job and just drop the subject and say "be on your way".
I think it should be a 10 year requirement. I spend lots of money on my older truck. After 10 years have a reduced required. Like a flow through cat or different system requirements. Or even 12 years
I want to know why EZ Link is targeted by epa. What about all the other tuners?
They haven’t been the only ones over the last 5+ years. However, in part 2 of this episode, we learned they are one of (if not the first) that don’t do tuning - but offer the hardware/software.
I think you guys are spot on we have to work within the guidelines but like I said these jokers that got these pick up trucks that you so much smoke out where a blocks out the sun they’re just causing trouble not just for them guys who don’t do that this is six in a row jim From Kennerdell PA
I have a question for the EPA and the government. Why doesn't the US military have to put diesel emissions equipment on all of their vehicles?
Because they know the equipment sucks and if it fail people will die. It’s just a money maker.
My truck is still deleted. Could care of the epa n their rules
I’m sure its all good for the environment when they break down 3x as much. Not to mention the def fluid pollution, plastic bottles etc
It’s not just diesel it’s they’re going for all emissions Vehicles
The older truck are grandfather in because is how they came for the factory just like car in the 50&60 did not have no pollution control on them from the factory . New York and California I think other states your vehicle needs to past a smog test before you can register your vehicle or truck.
We shot ourselves in the foot.
smehr39 You aren’t lying. Every video or social media post, every forum comment and every CZcams video about emission deletes brought the EPA’s attention.
Agreed! This is nothing new! Its funny all these guys playing dumb like they didn't know deleting or tuning was illegal. Fucking Comical!
Rolling coal probably brought a lot of this on! Congrats!
Why is it that we pollute the air with Diesle trucks but the military and cargo ships and cruise ships and aviation doesn’t have to have emissions compliance.
I'm sure these aftermarket suppliers all gave up their customer lists. Now they'll be able to go after repair shops and vehicle owners who bought from them
I tried to listen to this, seriously. But just . couldn't . do it. Only question I have is,what is the chances of the government forcing the states back to emissions testing to register your truck every year? Where I live used to do it, but stopped years ago..still remember the little sticker on the corner of the windshield. This is what keeps me from deleting currently, my luck: Delete...State brings back testing.
The chances aren’t known, but the federal government has many ways it can persuade states to do different things.
If you already have a deleted truck it appears the EPA doesn't care about you. It seems they are going after manufacturers and sellers of such things as DPF replacement exhaust components, EGR valve delete components and programmers that alter the truck software to remove emissions warnings.
The EPA is trying to get a Court order to make EZYLYNK turn over VIN #s from the cloud. If they get that, they will issue letters to the truck owners and make them either be compliant and get tested or the truck owner won’t be able to register the truck.
yall did it to yourselves, blowing black smoke all over everyone in traffic
The harder the epa pushes the more the 7.3 will put crap in the air on purpose. Sitting in my yard, nothing they can do about it.
I can increase my MPG by approximately 35%and reduce black smoke completely with a properly tuned Diesel that is running hot as in 195 to 205 dargrease F and giving it more clean air to run on then in re burning through the egr and regen systems that are a failed emission control science project by using a thinner that is properly set for that engin
Why is it that the only way you can be compliant is to have the factory systems on? Why if you came up with a way to be compliant with the levels of emissions in the exhaust gas can’t you use it. Just because the OEM dealers have come up with this design doesn’t mean it is the only way you can meet the clean air emissions levels. Just proves that it is a money grab for the dealers and big oil don’t kid yourself. The unfortunate thing is that they are putting 100s of thousands of people and numerous small businesses out of business.
Big aftermarket Companies like Banks have the testing and legal resources to receive exemptions. The OEMs spend enormous resources on compliance.
The epa will probably start coming after earlier model trucks and probably put more emissions on them than what they came with originally
They will if they follow California laws. As of 2020, retrofits are starting to be required for pre-2007 vehicles in California. If history repeats itself, EPA will follow 5-7 years after.
@@clutchdoc the government won't take my guns or make me put emmisions on my 96 cummins
If I modify my truck and it uses 40% less fuel and runs 80% cleaner, that's illegal. Or is it? www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/553
This is why GM and Ford made big liter gas motors this year they know diesel is dead
Kevin Smith Almost every vehicle manufacturer is investing heavily in electric propulsion due to demand and emission pressures also.
Ryan Ploeger electric. Is not the way to go. High cost, minimal driving range, high pollution from manufacturing and production of electricity...
Curt And that’s why you aren’t the CEO or decision maker at an automobile company and they are. Dinosaur thinking.
@@plog1805 The Electricity is almost as polluting as Diesel...Until we start making unlimited range nuclear-electric cars and trucks...its a waste of time.
Or the increased displacement makes more power so the engine doesn’t work as hard
BADASS VIDEO
In the end you'll HOPEFULLY just end up with shops like Power Driven Diesel that WILL NOT do non emissions compliant tuning and the that this sport will not go away.
Gale banks will probably save the horsepower
I just don't know what to say anymore!!!!
DIESEL STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
Scott Mims yes, a diesel strike!Whatever that may entail(?), it seems pretty logical and well thought out. I’m on board.
Didn't they just rule that the epa cant regulate trucks anymore making deletes legal
The folks that already deletes, do can they keep those deletes on there truck?
Keep delete and stay quiet about it
It depends where you got your delete. If the company is busted. part of the penalty is that they are required to tell the EPA every sale that was made. If you purchased it directly, they may contact you to check your vehicle. As of now, they can't fine you just for purchasing the delete. It has to be on your vehicle. If they check your tune, they may be able to tell that you have changed the tune recently. It just depends on how big of a fish you are.
The problem comes in when you go to trade in or sell your vehicle to another party. Doesn’t matter if you told the buyer about the deletes or not - if they contact the EPA you’re screwed.
Unfortunately since you can't delete moving forward when you purchase new diesels with these emissions you are casting your vote for stricter emissions control. I myself am a victim of this as i did purchase a Mercedes diesel with all the devices in tact back in 2013. Now i see that was a big mistake. No more will i fall victim to this. I'll will be keeping my 2004.5 Duramax and my 2006 Cummins and running them until they can't go another mile. When they break I'll rebuild and refurbish and avoid electric vehicles until they lower this new standard.
So I am going to use my DEF tank add some hoses and a pump pay the 15 bucks to fill all the time just to go around and pump it all over the roads, cars, government vehicles. Maybe the clean up will make them think
Why does the end consumer still not have an answer after any of these videos about what it means for the guys that have this stuff done to their trucks? Is it just about shop owners at this point? Can we get more details on the end consumer please?
JJM What has made it hard is the EPA hasn’t made a definitive stance on end users, like the NCI talked about in this episode. How far they will go, if at all, after end users isn’t known at this point. There have been theories about it, but it’s hearsay at this point. But when it is known, we will cover it like we have the topics so far.
Although "you may not have heard", I can tell you what the answer is.
It was always illegal to mod your emissions controls regardless of where you lived. As such, you broke the law and are currently in violation of the law. They can fine you, require that you reinstall you emissions controls, possibly force you to have it emissions tested and even send you to jail. This has happened to people.
I'm sorry, but to think that they're going to grandfather non-compliant vehicles that you modified when you likely knew you were breaking the law is naive at best.
Think back, did your tune or delete kit have a warning that said for off road use only? I bet it did because the manufacturers and retailers knew it was illegal and were covering their tails.
I've been in air quality compliance for 18 years and spend a LOT of my time dealing with diesel engine compliance. "Ignorance of the law does not make your any less guilty of breaking the law"
Will Rottgering Got it...next time you make up a lengthy response to somebody, try not to sound like a complete asshole.
The Diesel Podcast Thank you for your response.
@@JJMassar sorry, I've just been trying to tell people this stuff for a couple of years now and am tired of the misinformation and sugar coating of the facts.
Specific to your question about fines/penalties. First, if you get caught, you'll have to bring the vehicle into compliance. There isn't a path that involves just paying a fine and waking away with you vehicle as is. What the fines on top of that could be would be up to each regulatory agency and you. If you want to fight and lose, it will be more than if you play nice.
Fines for shops/manufacturers/etc. can be based on the number of units sold and days since they were sold, so the numbers can get very big very fast. When the EPA shows up and starts asking questions, they already know that you did something wrong, now they're just getting more proof. If you lie to them or try to play games, it goes south very quickly. This is why you don't hear much about big legal battles; their case is already a slam dunk and fighting will usually just cost you more money.
can you be pulled over for driving a deleted diesel?
I know you can in NY state. Their emission laws are similar to CA.
None of your consumers want to be “compliant” and the sales will show. Stop talking about compliance and start planning a mutiny.
volvo coming out with diesel does not require DEF .
Spotlight is on deletes. Shortage of DEF, causing Congress to look at Diesel Tuners, force Cummings to weld no changes to motor. 850,000 fine Diesel brothers Utah.
Freedom first
A lot of people do like the break the law Stick it to the Man I'm sure you're doing your part
It all comes down to money. If you can pay you can play. You get a fine you pay the fine. That's how all of the laws work.
EPA can fine you $37,500 per day per non-compliance AND if they show that you willfully (knowingly/intentionally) broke the law, they can send you to jail as well.