A Deep Dive Into The LORE Of Taylor Swift's Tortured Poets Album & Matty Healy

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  • čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
  • let's dive deep and decode Taylor Swift's The Tortured Poets Department: The Anthology and the Matty Healy Taylor Swift 10 year long LORE. From 2013 to now. Every interaction and mention that has led us to TTPD lyric parallels and interviews. yay!!!
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    Slideshow: drive.google.com/file/d/1y9XE...
    Tumblr timeline: spicysighs.tumblr.com/post/71...
    Time stamps
    0:00 - intro and thoughts on album
    10:31 - MATTY X TAYLOR (MAYLOR) LORE
    34:15 - LYRIC PARALLELS THE 1975 X TAYLOR SWIFT
    44:00 - LYRIC DEEP DIVE
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Komentáře • 78

  • @afroallura3791
    @afroallura3791 Před měsícem +54

    I love that yall are also longtime 1975 fans…I feel like it brings even more depth to the album and discussion. It’s been hard to find people who have literally been into both artists since they started and are into the lore…the reason May 2023 was so exhilarating and devastating in equal measure is bc I was so heavily invested in both of them and hoping they’d work!!
    Anyway let’s get into this 2 hour deep dive ayyyyy

    • @insideoutwithjamieandjordan
      @insideoutwithjamieandjordan  Před měsícem +4

      1000% i totally agree!!! we're so glad we aren't alone in feeling that way too about last May!! it still feels like a fever dream hahaha. YAYYY! thank you for watching ❤️❤️❤️

  • @olivebouseman1823
    @olivebouseman1823 Před měsícem +39

    as a non-swiftie who lives for chronically online drama i appreciate this one 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @cb533
    @cb533 Před 28 dny +12

    Glad to see fans of both analyze the songs. All these swifty experts with no 75 knowledge are so sure in their analysis but everything is going right over their heads! It's so frustrating!

  • @breezybumbles17
    @breezybumbles17 Před měsícem +13

    Taylor also mentions The Starting Line in Fresh Out The Slammer.

  • @jenniferhipsky3847
    @jenniferhipsky3847 Před měsícem +27

    Rusted summer -- Rusted phone lines in “Maroon”

    • @candimccann
      @candimccann Před 13 dny +1

      Rose' wine in both The 1 and Maroon (ducks flying objects in case I ruined someone's day)

    • @zoefenstermacher6935
      @zoefenstermacher6935 Před 13 dny +1

      I always wondered who maroon was about. Since it seemed forbidden. I really believe it's Matty

  • @Popnerding
    @Popnerding Před měsícem +24

    Been looking for a perspective like this. I am glad I came across this video. Matty’s lyrics and Taylor’s have so many parallels. It was mad. Thanks for this! I love both of them. They’re different and they were so in love. Looking forward to the 1975’s next album and hoping he will definitely respond to TTPD.

    • @hayleysmith3113
      @hayleysmith3113 Před měsícem +4

      Were they so in love? Or did they just have romantic delusions for parts of the last 10 years and when they were actually both single at the same time they realized within a couple months that it was just a fantasy?

    • @Popnerding
      @Popnerding Před měsícem +3

      @@hayleysmith3113 Hi, what you say makes perfect sense to me. I think what I wrote is simply me being a little bit of a romantic and hoping that it was love and they didn’t work out because of outside pressures. Fandom wars , death threats, villainising of one person and threatening to quit following the other person for things they believe the partner did.
      But that’s just a strain of thought. It could very well be delusional and perhaps they did have highly romanticised notions of each other from afar.

  • @sulathenewfie4277
    @sulathenewfie4277 Před měsícem +20

    Okay we need to talk about Harry in this early time frame too. We know she was off and on with him for at least 18 months. And in the song ‘is it over yet’- she clearly talks about having romantic dalliances with other guys while they were on and off and I think Matty could have been one of the guys she was maybe having heavy romantic flirtations and maybe more at that time. So Matty and Taylor could say they didn’t date each other - ‘that never happened’ because it was in both their interests to say that.

    • @tangozmangoo
      @tangozmangoo Před 19 dny +1

      I heavily suspect that the titled “he” in Harry’s unrealised song “Him” is Matty Healy.

    • @yorkshiregirl992
      @yorkshiregirl992 Před 12 dny +1

      The Harry thing was so icky - he was just a kid. I keep hoping it actually wasn't anything, otherwise it's just grooming

    • @Tsukiakari-qb3tk
      @Tsukiakari-qb3tk Před 7 dny

      @@yorkshiregirl992 he was 18, she was 22 when they met. Harry had already dated a woman in her thirties by this point which is far worse and Taylor had just had John and Jake happen. Also they are famous and that stunts you a little bit. I cut her some slack.

    • @Karensmusic292
      @Karensmusic292 Před 3 dny

      Taylor & Harry weren't on and off after their breakup. That's an assumption created by Haylors based soley on song lyrics, mainly "Style." One Direction had world tours EVERY YEAR, plus promo, recording new albums, etc. Harry was in the UK in Jan/Feb 2013 for tour rehearsals after their breakup. 1D's 2013 world tour was from Feb 23 - Nov 3. Harry dated Kendall Jenner from Nov 2013 - early 2014. Taylor was on her own Red world tour in 2013 and into 2014. Taylor said she wrote "Style" in Feb 2014. Harry & Taylor were in the same cities at the same time for maybe a dozen days at this point, mostly because of award shows. After 1D's 2014 world tour, Harry dated Nadine Leopold from Nov 2014 until 1D's 2015 tour started in Feb. How could Taylor & Harry have an on/off relationship when they were rarely in the same cities at the same time? If they did, they were off 98% of the time. The on/off was in 2012. (They met March 31 at the KCAs and liked each other. 1D flew to Australia a little over a week later to resume their UP All Night Tour. That summer, Taylor dated Conor Kennedy, then Taylor & Harry were on/off dating from Oct 2012 - first week of Jan 2013). Taylor dated Conor between two times with Harry in 2012. Harry dated other woman during that time also. It's the 2012 timeline referenced in her songs, not after. The few songs Taylor wrote about Conor could be the "I don't want to hear about him" lyric.

  • @jackielehman8945
    @jackielehman8945 Před 27 dny +6

    The lore is a layer, but the personal experience of heart ache is the core. 💔

  • @Dcong16
    @Dcong16 Před 27 dny +10

    It’s interesting to me that people are so surprised that the majority of this album is actually not about Joe like that makes perfect sense to me. Whatever actually happened between the two of them what we know for sure is he wanted to remain private throughout their relationship and I can’t see her MAJORLY exposing him after five to six years together unless he did something truly awful and unforgivable.

    • @sacredsunflower8930
      @sacredsunflower8930 Před 26 dny +4

      TTPD is her taking accountability for their issues and folklore/evermore/midnights is her telling us about what Joe did to lose her… we already had the pieces of the puzzle. How did it end, loml and so long London was really all we need. I think my boy only breaks his favorite toys is about joe as well but it’s playful?? If that makes sense. She’s so clever “the sickest army doll purchased at the mall” is a depressed GI Joe 😳 “bad bad boy shiny toy with a price, you know that I BOUGHT it”

    • @parisrichardson2699
      @parisrichardson2699 Před 3 dny

      @@sacredsunflower8930 loml reads so matty to me icl, there's so many overlaps

  • @highperformer5532
    @highperformer5532 Před měsícem +10

    To me there's only one absolute all-timer on ttpd which cracks my top-13, and which is as poetic as ivy, way sadder than coney island (and very close to Last kiss), almost as quicksandy as right where you left me and as multy-layered, wise and revealing as Dear John... and this is... Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus.

  • @SandraGrauschopf
    @SandraGrauschopf Před 27 dny +3

    A couple of other parallels I noticed...
    In that clip where he says he isn't going to kiss anyone in front of Taylor Swift, he says to show some respect, because he isn't going to kiss anyone else "In front of the queen"
    In TTPD, Taylor writes: "Cause once your queen had come, You treat her like an also-ran"
    In Falling For You, the lyrics say, "You said some day we might
    When I'm closer to your height,
    Till then we'll knock around and see
    If you're all I need"
    Which reminds me of TTPD: A message to the smallest man who ever lived
    And not a parallel, but as many times as Taylor referred to her love with Joe as "gold", I wonder if the "tattoed golden retriever" line was talking about Matty bringing back that sense of a love that was fated to be, retrieving the golden love she had lost.

  • @chelseygarrett4221
    @chelseygarrett4221 Před měsícem +4

    Oh my God I found my people you guys love all the same songs that I do. All your favorites are my favorites I haven't seen anybody say Peter. Peter makes me sob.

  • @bmukwindidza978
    @bmukwindidza978 Před měsícem +14

    i’ve been tuned in to matty and taylor since i was 14. im almost 24 now and still obsessed with them 😭

    • @bmukwindidza978
      @bmukwindidza978 Před měsícem +6

      also - the fortnight video is very the 1975 coded. part of the band, professor matty, matty and his body double lying across from eachother. post malone even wears the exact outfit matty wore in his zane lowe interview 😂

  • @caraleesirois2426
    @caraleesirois2426 Před 27 dny +3

    Seeing that clip of Matty going into his fort looks like the Willow video with the kids in the tent.

  • @Cyn8201
    @Cyn8201 Před měsícem +18

    He walked away because swifties sent death threats to Matty and his entire family. Everything awful said to Matty on twitter is disgusting behavior and speaknow letter is just beyond me. On top of that, he had his own world tour that just ended a month ago.

  • @aliyan879
    @aliyan879 Před 21 dnem

    Ohmygod, I absolutely looved this break down❤️🤭 So many info, so many emotions. Now that I watched your video, the album makes sense 200%!! Loved it! Thanks for your work💕💕

  • @TTTTania
    @TTTTania Před měsícem +18

    Also, the intro of imgonnagetyouback and the intro of Looking For Somebody (To Love) are VERY similar 👀
    Aaand Matty has compared himself to Peter Pan multiple times → the song Peter talks about how she waited for him to grow up (mature) and that did not happen, so she's not waiting for him to grow up anymore

    • @LanaJulie33
      @LanaJulie33 Před měsícem +2

      See "lost boys" by Drive Like I Do 🙃

  • @sashamitchell6336
    @sashamitchell6336 Před 23 dny +4

    He calls her queen!!!

  • @sicilyyyyy
    @sicilyyyyy Před měsícem +79

    As much as I love both Taylor and Matty, they could have never worked out. Matty has spoken at length about how much massive fame scares him. I think he's happy existing in the narrow space The 1975 occupies in culture - a lot of hardcore fans but not too mainstream. He can still walk around like a normal person. He can put his foot in his mouth once in a while and not be worried about the PR nightmare. Dating Taylor would have been the end of normal life for him. And I'm sure the online harassment and bullying from the swifties last May didn't help their relationship. Based on some throwaway comments he made at his shows, he knew what people were saying and it was getting to him. Taylor is still upset about Snakegate and TaylorSwiftIsOverParty 8 years later and the worst accusation against her was that she was a liar. Compare that to the absolute character assassination Matty went through.
    ...
    Either way, I think Matty and Taylor were probably more in love with the idea of each other than the real thing. They probably saw each other as their creative, intellectual equals (hence why Taylor calls him her twin). It's sad Taylor was hurt, but we don't know Matty's side yet. He looked really sad at his shows around the time the breakup was announced. If he broke it off to prioritize his mental health and protect his family after the vicious bullying he endured, I don't blame him. Maybe he should have known going in what he was getting into, but I think they're both hopeless romantics at heart and jumped in full speed. (Edit: I think people are taking the ghosting thing literally. Taylor is an unreliable narrator in that she gives different accounts of how it ended across different songs - "How dare you say it's-" , "Leaving me safe and stranded", "Left all these broken parts / Told me I'm better off", "What a bland goodbye", ", "I'll never leave" , "Never mind", "They just ghosted you/Now you know what it feels like". It mostly seems like she was blindsided when he broke it off rather abruptly after an intense period of closeness and she feels like she doesn't have closure)

    • @rwenwater5944
      @rwenwater5944 Před 29 dny +8

      Is it wrong to say I hope they get another chance w each other when they're out the spotlight in the future. I just get this feeling their story isn't over.

    • @michaeljordan6216
      @michaeljordan6216 Před 29 dny +5

      I would not say Kanye's Famous video was just him calling her a "liar" thing.

    • @sarahmcguire8315
      @sarahmcguire8315 Před 28 dny +6

      Nailed it! She was told it was over (it was announced to the public quickly) but he obviously went no contact after that so she didn't get closure and is reeling from the rejection and inability to talk him around.

    • @miazga222
      @miazga222 Před 28 dny

      Nope. If you listen to the lyrics it’s pretty clear that Matty lovebombed the s**t out of her, and made her insane promises about their future together- for at least FEW YEARS!!! Look at Oh Caroline video, its insane how intensly he was trying to convince her to be with him, to convince her that he will change for her. The fact that he ghosted her just 2 months after they started dating doesnt mean he was disillusioned by their relationship- but rather that he is an avoidant. BECAUSE HE DIDNT EVEN GIVE THEM A CHANCE. As soon as she became available- he was gone. That’s a covert narcissist trait and althought I actually like Matty, I think he did her crazy dirty. I think he wanted the biggest star in the world to be with him- and that’s pretty much it. He hates fame, but he desperately craves it. He hates drama- but he does everything to be dramatic. As usual (like it was with Joe) the artsy type abandones her to protect their fragile ego.

    • @ssalas7374
      @ssalas7374 Před 25 dny +2

      Thank you for articulating that so well. I believe that’s exactly what happened.

  • @sacredsunflower8930
    @sacredsunflower8930 Před 26 dny +2

    I’m just a year and a half younger than Taylor, was in my early 20s when I saw the pics of her on tumblr in that ICONIC plaid skater skirt and 1975 tee and those wayfarers 😎

  • @ChessieChess
    @ChessieChess Před 7 dny +1

    I’m surprised y’all didn’t make the connection that Down Bad is about an alien abduction, he beamed her up, left her safe on earth but stranded without him, encounters closer and closer is a nod to the 70s alien film Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he left her naked in a field, everyone doubts the existence of him, now she’s waving to the ship (spaceship) 😮

  • @juliebloom
    @juliebloom Před měsícem

    thank you! it was very educational

  • @westie7ify
    @westie7ify Před měsícem +5

    I’m so happy that there is at least one other I Look in People’s Windows Stan! 😆

  • @missymariebee
    @missymariebee Před měsícem +8

    6/7/23. Matty's SORRY set after breakup, he opens for the 1975 - plays all love songs including a cover by Colin Hay "I just dont think Ill ever get over you" (14:30), spray paints the word SORRY on white sheet.
    czcams.com/video/LU7Gq0codT4/video.htmlsi=QWy_amv774R5TtO

  • @missymariebee
    @missymariebee Před měsícem +6

    Watch the music Video for "Me & You Together Song"...am I only one who sees the similarities to the music video for "You belong with me" ??? Am I crazy lol.

    • @insideoutwithjamieandjordan
      @insideoutwithjamieandjordan  Před měsícem +5

      totally forgot to mention this!!!! it's literally sooo similar!!!!!

    • @missymariebee
      @missymariebee Před měsícem +3

      Also, 6/7/23. Matty's SORRY set after breakup, he opens for the 1975 - plays all love songs including a cover by Colin Hay "I just dont think Ill ever get over you" (14:30), spray paints the word SORRY on white sheet.
      czcams.com/video/LU7Gq0codT4/video.htmlsi=QWy_amv774R5TtO

  • @teresagormley903
    @teresagormley903 Před měsícem +10

    Did anyone think maybe the whole time they were together they were only together 14 days between his tour and hers.

    • @spiritranger9202
      @spiritranger9202 Před měsícem +6

      Potentially. They were both heavily touring. World tours, so probably spent a few days here, a few days there. So, you could be on to something 🎯!

  • @danamaria80
    @danamaria80 Před 27 dny +3

    Awww I see my girl Kacey back there ❤

  • @saparamita
    @saparamita Před měsícem +10

    girl, where's the power point link

  • @Mimibcg
    @Mimibcg Před měsícem +3

    1:10:48 that second part of FotS is about Matty. Camera flashes, welcome bashes?

  • @ccampbellmusic
    @ccampbellmusic Před 23 dny +1

    At 1.06.40 - when you were saying “not us” - you missed the chance to sing “Not you guys. Not you guys I didn’t mean you guys” 😂

  • @user-jb9iy4ur7k
    @user-jb9iy4ur7k Před 29 dny +6

    Have you guys yet fathomed all the reputation album references to Matty? And the fact that gold/golden is likely about HIM and not Joe? All those songs we couldn’t place that people thought were about Karli…. Like ‘Dress’ is SO Matty coded especially “you left your mark on me, a golden tattoo” and then in TTPD hes a “tattooed golden retriever”?!!! Also in Dancing with Our Hands Tied (OBVI about Matty and fame) “my love had been frozen deep blue but you painted me golden”. And in Don’t Blame Me all the references to drugs, falling from grace to be with him, doing bad things with me… as if that song could be about Joe? PLEASE. HELP. I am dying!!

    • @user-jb9iy4ur7k
      @user-jb9iy4ur7k Před 29 dny +3

      And don’t even get me started on the parallels in folklore, evermore, and Midnights it’s INSANE

    • @user-jb9iy4ur7k
      @user-jb9iy4ur7k Před 29 dny +3

      ALSO they both have songs called Paris which are interesting - both with 18 second intros before the singing starts.

    • @carokistner3399
      @carokistner3399 Před 13 dny +1

      ​​@@user-jb9iy4ur7k Yes, all of this!! And they both have songs called "Mine". "Written "mine" on my upper thigh only in my mind". Sorry if this was mentioned in the video, I haven't watched it in full yet!

  • @ningyding
    @ningyding Před 27 dny +1

    You both look like Taylor!

  • @GalaxiesUniverse
    @GalaxiesUniverse Před 15 dny

    Get ya girl a better microphone! She's so quiet in comparison to the girl with glasses. Good content needs to be heard!

    • @insideoutwithjamieandjordan
      @insideoutwithjamieandjordan  Před 15 dny

      i agree!!!!!! her volume was turned down for some reason but we have it fixed for upcoming eps!! thank you ❤️❤️❤️

  • @stevekaspar1396
    @stevekaspar1396 Před měsícem

    EASTER EGG!!! June 5th 2023 IS the day Whistle-blower David Grusch came out officially stating the U.S. Govt HAS UAP retrieval craft and have been attempting back engineering PLUS admissions of having Non Human lifeforms as well. June 5th!! Hence 'DOWN BAD???????' MAKES SENSE TO ME!!!!!@

  • @Alizardlovesyou
    @Alizardlovesyou Před 24 dny +2

    I get the idea that he just left because of the heat and that would make sense if all the songs were apologizing to him and feeling sad but The Smallest Man That Ever Lived is so much more about it being intentionally hurting her to see what would happen or with the plan to hurt her out of revenge even at the behest of someone else who hates her.

    • @yorkshiregirl992
      @yorkshiregirl992 Před 12 dny +1

      right, but this is her viewpoint and she isn't always right. She's angry and hurt and this is her viewpoint. I wish we could hear his but he's too classy for that

  • @awahl22
    @awahl22 Před 24 dny

    Sorry but no. Minnesota is known for their lakes, not Michigan. MN has 10,000+ lakes. Minneapolis should have received The Lakes as a surprise song.

    • @insideoutwithjamieandjordan
      @insideoutwithjamieandjordan  Před 24 dny

      michigan is the great lake state and i've always heard we have more lakes than MN tho 😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣

  • @bobbydiggs9680
    @bobbydiggs9680 Před 24 dny +4

    from everything i gathered from this album, she felt coaxed out of her dying relationship, with promises of forever, just for him to use her for selfish reasons. sex and exposure. when he caught heat, he left. despite her saying she was willing to endure the shitstorm from his actions. as a swiftie and a 1975 stan i cant condone his actions. im disappointed in him and how ppl have tried to twist his actions into some sort of sob story.
    I never cared about his "incidents" of dumbassery over the years... but how he handled her, the backlash, and the responsibility for everything.... when listening to these songs, i see a woman who is willing to take on the world 1vs8billion, and then i see a "man" who would rather take the easy route and join the 8billion than stand by her side. count me out of this ship. he cant handle a woman of her caliber.

  • @jenniferhipsky3847
    @jenniferhipsky3847 Před měsícem +1

    Army doll = The Great War is about Matty not Joe!

    • @missymariebee
      @missymariebee Před měsícem +6

      I see where your going with that, however in this case I do think the sickest army doll really is just referring to a toy beloved by boys. The great War lyrics dont really fit to Matty in my opinion. But who knows

    • @LarissaMonteiro-vm5zo
      @LarissaMonteiro-vm5zo Před měsícem +4

      Kind of a reach

  • @Thebigsigh1975
    @Thebigsigh1975 Před 3 dny

    Matty is better off

  • @steffi1833
    @steffi1833 Před 27 dny

    I think u missed the interview where he said it would be emasculating to date Taylor swift

    • @insideoutwithjamieandjordan
      @insideoutwithjamieandjordan  Před 26 dny +1

      we did go over that somewhere in the middle of this ep! also went over how he wrote an article on it after apologizing for coming across that way as well! ❤️ here's the letter if you're interested spicysighs.tumblr.com/post/716859137485602816/httpswwwcoupdemainmagazinecomtidbitsmatty-he

    • @parisrichardson2699
      @parisrichardson2699 Před 3 dny

      tbf that is a very honest open comment, she's one of the most famous people in the world and the people who date her find her fame difficult.

  • @stevekaspar1396
    @stevekaspar1396 Před měsícem

    I know Taylor. I own several Midwest radio stations. I first met her at age 16 in Nashville before famous and no one knew who she was. Feb 2006. She had a thing for my good looking son. Love your analysis. I don't like her choice of 1st single Fortnight and to also kick off the album. On any other TS album it would be a mid track. Truth. But I love the whole 31 tracks here except for a couple I'll skip. Down Bad.. Florida.. Fresh Out.. Never liked Matty. I still think he's beneath her and kind of sketchy. Young female attracted to "bad boy"??? Fatal.