Mazzer Philos Single Dose Grinder REVIEW!
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25:17 Results
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So cool seeing the first in-depth review of the Mazzer Philos. Great job!
Thank you! ☕️🤍
2 months now I have been waiting for a review of this
You are the first one to post a review, even of the Prototype unit
Thanks 🙂
Thank you! Your kind words means a lot ☕️🤍
Always a pleasure to be of help 😊
Excellent overview, really enjoyed the thoroughness of your video! Cheers! Looks like a fantastic grinder.
Thank you so much, your kind words, it means a lot to us ☕️🤍
cant wait for mine!
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I love coffee and quality reviews. That's why I'm here.
We are glad to hear that! We will keep it up ☕️🤍😊
I have a DF83v2 and was considering getting some ssp burrs, but I'm kinda falling in love with the Mazzer. I love the design, and especially the consistency/confidence in alignment. May have to snag one....
Really good review. Very detailed. Keep it up!
Thank you! It means a lot ☕️🤍💯
Cool video, thanks! I appreciate your calm and collected style of review. Yeah, I'd definitely love a comparison with the other 64mm sub $1,000, like the DF64V. And even the new Lagom Casa conical.
Very nice review, thank you. This is the first time I have seen your channel. I have just pre-ordered the Philos from the Mazzer website. €1000 is quite competitive for a Mazzer product considering the price of the Lagom P64 and the Zerno.
Thanks a lot for a thoughtful and well presented review!
It's a preproduction model, but lots of coffee people are interested in this Mazzer design and build. Although it's is large for a home grinder, I th8nk we have to forget about comparing it to other 64mm grinders and instead just ask two questions: does it reliably produce the coffee grind that I want and is it satisfying and easy in daily use.
Burr size IMHO is just part of the overall product design and I'd place repeatable life-long burr alignment and low retention at least as high on my desirable feature list. I see that café grinders like Mahlkonigs and Mazzers have properly fixed and aligned stationary burrs and lots of large bearing support for the rotating burr. This gives long life in a busy cafe but can also give home users confidence that they will get years of repeatable, well controlled grinding. Products like Niche and the many Turin style grinders, with floating stationary burrs still give good coffee output at home but won't hold their performance as long or be as repeatable over time. They are smaller, lower cost and well suited to adapting and playing with, as many coffee gear enthusiasts like, though, so no negativity implied here.
I have a Timemore 78 for my filter brews and it has my preferred design in a small neat home -friendly package. Their espresso product, the S, seems lacking though and so this Mazzer could well be my new espresso grinder though. Maybe later this year is the time to make a choice and pay up!
Thank you for your kind words, it means a lot!
Nice to hear your thoughts too, thank you for sharing them 🤍☕️
Thorough and excellent review thank you 🙏
Thank you 🤍☕️👏😊
loved the review
Good luck for ever ❤
Thank you! 🤎
Thanks for the review! How are the I189D compared to SSP HUs if you tested that? Also, have you tried fitting the I200D in other grinders considering they will sell them separately and people will try to fit them in their 64mm grinders?
Hi there, the I189D are nicer than the usual 64mm burrs from Mazzer, they gave better resutls in general, nonetheless, SSP HU is cleaner brighter (tastewise).
The I189D shined in Dark roasts, but honestly for anything apart from the real dark roast, the I200D are more enjoyable. They probably just had the I189D for people who loves their cream bodied dark roast espressos.
Unfortunately, you can't fit their burrs in other grinders. We did mention this to Mazzer and they took it into consideration, hopefully they will consider making a dedicated version for other 64mm burrs grinders, but SSP already got this covered with a wide range of burrs.
@@ourcoffeeshelter Appreciate the answers! If you don't mind sharing, which grinders did you try fitting the I200D on?
Thanks for the great review.
I mostly drink medium to light roasted espressi, but sometimes also dark ones, for example in milk based drinks. Can you give a recommandation as to which one of the two types of burrs would be more suitable ?
Thanks and regards
Robert
Hi Robert, thank you for the kind words!
Definitely go with the I200D, you will be very pleased with it 🤍☕️👌
I have had a Mazzer Mini-timer with doser cylinder for 7 years, home use. I am looking at this grinder if, it will be able to be zero'd out exactly the way I had it before I change the burrs. Something the 58mm Mazzer Mini is impossible to do.
Congratulations on the way you deal with reviews. Thank you.
I have a question between Mazzer Philos and Mazzer Omega x are they equivalent in the coffee cup?
Thank you 🤍☕️👏
Yes, there is a massive difference between the two. The Omega uses Conical burrs, the Philos uses Flat burrs. The Philos will definitely have much better results considering this and the geometry of the burrs themselves 🤍☕️
@@ourcoffeeshelter❤
I’m glad to learn that the new burrs offer clarity with some body. This is perfect for my preferences. A quieter motor will also be nice. I went from a loud Mazzer Mini to a quiet Niche Zero, and I like the quiet.
I look forward to US availability.
Niche Zero is my favorite grinder for home usage. Stll the king
The Niche Zero workflow is smooth - friction-free. It’s forgiving, with enough fines to deliver strong body and to be easy to dial in. It’s been 100% reliable and isn’t bad to clean.
That said, I’d like more clarity. My previous grinder was the Mazzer Mini with the clunk-clunk-clunk doser. It was loud, had a dumb workflow, was a pain to clean, and didn’t allow easy bean changes. That said, it had better clarity. From day one, the Niche espressos tasted “dirtier”.
I’m looking at the Philos to keep the single dose workflow and to get a cleaner cup. It should also be easier to clean with just two wing nuts to loosen, no need to touch the dial, no small parts or springs to remove, and vertical burrs, so gravity helps remove the crud. The Philos looks to be an excellent and rock solid design.
@@JonFairhurst Maybe the Niche Duo would also be a great alternative
The Niche Duo looks like a great option. One thing that can be confusing is that 83mm burrs don’t necessarily have a lot more surface area than 64mm burrs, due to their very large center hole. Also, as the burrs get bigger, alignment and sturdiness become more important. While the Zero is awesome, alignment and sturdiness aren’t as crucial for conical burrs. I question if it scales that well to larger diameter flat burrs.
I looked hard at the Zerno. It’s got the auger for pre-breaking, plus excellent alignment, but I’m not sure that I wanted to go with their ordering model. The Philos has a similar design and looks like it’s even more robust, plus it’s from a larger, traditional company.
The dual burrs of the Duo seem like a cool concept, except that they’d need recalibration after each swap. If I make an espresso and later in the day my wife makes a pour over, I can’t see her doing the swap thing. Having a burr set that does it all, or a second grinder seems like the better solution.
Also, the expected price of the Philos seems reasonable. Option-O grinders look amazing, but their pricing is steep.
@@JonFairhurst yeah philos looks amazing and high quality. I think it's the best choice for a clear cup at that range
Enjoyed your review very much!
Have 2 questions regarding grind speed of the Philos with its two burr styles:
1) With the I200D burrs, how long does it take to grind a specific weight of medium-dark roast beans? Say 18g or 21g?
2) How long would the same weight of similiar beans take to grind with the I198D burrs?
Great review! Do you think it can be used to directly grind into a portafilter in any practical way?
Hi there, it could, but RDT will be a must in that case 🤍☕️
thank you for this video. Great!
Do you know if the burrs will be sold separately (for those who already have a Mazzer SJ)?
Will have to ask this with Mazzer, we will try to check for you ☕️🤍
Great review, should this be my upgrade from my Specialita?
This, or DF64v, or DF83v , feel free to check our videos on those too 🤍☕️👏
Oh that’s an exciting new product, and a great detailed review, thanks a lot! I was basically sold on the 078S, even put in a pre order. Now I wonder if the Mazzer might be a better option. Can you say anything about how they compare for purely espresso?
Also; you should consider a direct donation option. I’d be happy to support great content creators.
Hi there, your kind words and watching our videos the best support we could ever ask for 💯🤍☕️😊
Personally, the 078s was just too tough to dial-in and the dial itself is not espresso friendly.
The Mazzer Philos has definitely the edge over it in regards to accuracy in the grinding dial.
If you are looking for an upgrade from the Timemore, either the DF83V or the Philos. We made videos about both of them and you can make your decision based on your preferred features.
The Philos as stock will have better tasting as it is close to the SSP MP burrs 🤍☕️
Please do more in depth video about manual grinders.🙏🏻
A new one is coming very soon 😊👌🤍☕️
It looks good! 👍
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Compared with the DF64 Gen 2 right out of the box which one do you recommend based on the flavor of the coffee and the value you receive for your money? Thank you
At least Mazzer does their own unique thing and far from the mass produced garbage currently flooding the market.
One of the grinder which i really wanted to have information about it. Very nice and deep review as always. But for coffee shops, how can they measure the coffee dose each time in avery busy environment. It looks like a prosumer home grinder than a commercial grinder. It looks it will be perfect prosumer grinder after final improvements. Thanks for the video. I like your channel and especially your calmly and quiet presentations :)
For the “busy” needs, Mazzer has a strong range of hopper grinders. I believe the Philos is a marketing move, that Mazzer is serious about the small cafe and prosumer markets.
It’s a small, price friendly single dose grinder for coffee shops to serve their special list of coffees.
It’s also finally a high end grinder that you can fit in your home, with super build quality, a buy-and-forget, no fuss grinder for home enthusiast whose main focus is the coffee itself, not interested in the whole gear acquisition spiral or modding.
@mike216514 Totally agree... But again for cafes, dosing can be a challenge... But for home, it look like an excellent piece. I have Ceado e37sd but i am considering for that one :)
@@barskuleli8612 e37sd and also the hero grinder are the OG for single dosing before the trend catch on!
I believe for special bean list, cafes should be prepared to take some time to take out their storage and weight in the dose needed, or simply pre-dose them in tubes.
Thanks for review. When its going to be possible to buy in EU?
Hi there, it should be available within two months, and it can be found on Mazzer official website ☕️🤍
Would love to see a comparision between this grinder and the df83v
Should get that done with the final Philos version once it is ready ☕️🤍😊👌
legend
@@ourcoffeeshelter
Thanks, how it performs with light roast beans with long pre infusion ? It can grind that fine enough ?
Easily 🤍☕️👌
Is the stepped adjustment clicky? I.E. Is there any tactile feedback when making adjustments? Can you make stepped adjustments just by touch or do you have to look at the adjustment if you wish to make a grind setting change?
Hi there, it is a click with feedback. You can adjust without looking, but ideally to do that when the grinder is on as it will be much smoother. They stiffened the clicks and it might jump two clicks instead of one if the grinder is off and you are not looking.
The question is then can you install the I200D burrs in a SSP machine (EG DF64?). That would be a game changer. The mazzer burrs are half the price and might even be better.
just one thing, after watching the video again, you didnt mention the Filter performance of the I200D burrs, just the I189D. Can you tell how they performed? :)
Similar to espreso results. It is not as good as SSP MP, but you will really enjoy the results out of them ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter thats good! But Mine will only do Espresso, got a 078 for Filter :) was Just curious 👍🏻
Have you seen Daddies Got Coffee’s review? He says the auger looks to be absolutley decimating beans before the burrs. Any insight to this?
Hi there, you could see the experiment we had and it shows the effect. You could be the judge based on the photoage you are seeing 🤍☕️
Is it possible to use i200d burrs to other 64mm grinders or is it difficult due to the back shape? Do we know the price of this new burrs?
Unfortunately no, we made sure to try them on different 64mm burr grinders, and they did not fit.
Its massive for a 64mm burr, seems to be a lot of dead space in the packaging, its like the Timemore Sculptor 064 but 3X the size. Seems to make the incoming sub £200 DF54 look very good value.
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Have you ever tried the Ceado E37S? I can get one for around €700 and I’d like to get some opinions on it.
Hi there, we haven't, but honestly for home use scenario, the DF64v with SSP burrs will definitely offer you much more pleasure, tastewise and user experience wise 🤍☕️
@@ourcoffeeshelter thank you for the advice. It just seems the Ceado is at a very appealing price point for a new unit and I can get SSP SWEET LAB 83 mm burrs for it with another 200 euros.
Overall impression of the I200D for light roast filter?
Met our positive expectations 💯
Is it bad for Italian roasts or dark roasts with the L200D?
We personally still enjoyed it, it is just that with those dark roasts, strong and creamy texture is more appreciated as your priority there is the texture, not tasting notes separation ☕️🤍
Can you say how the taste of the I189D burrs compares to the SSP HU?
Hi there, SSP HU have better clarity than the 189D for sure, both espresso and filter wise. However, it is not a massive difference, but it is there for sure 🤍
Can you say how Mazzer 233M would taste in comparison to this new I189D burr?
Hi there, the stainless steel surface is most probably offering different friction on the cutting surface and the end result is more consistent and brighter (espresso and filter) than the 233M.
That being said, we would say it will be day and night difference, probably going for the 200D will be the better option and the more interesting one ☕️🤍
Maybe I missed it, but how are the 1200D burrs for filter?
Hi there, we did nit mention the I200D in filter, it is similar to the espresso results, really clean, juicy, and crisp filter coffee. It is not as clean as the SSP MP burrs, but still, we were very pleased with the results 👌☕️🤍
What would you buy? Mazzer Philos Vs. DF83V Build quality, Longevity, Future proof, Chinese Vs. European Grinder. PLEASE help!
Hi there, we have a dedicated review for both grinders, we cannot make the decision for you. Both reviews are extremely detailed and you will be able to make up your mind based on your own preference and desired features you could choose.
Goodluck 🤍☕️👏
Mazzer any day
Can you buy Mazzer Burrs burrs and use them in DF64v ?
Unfortunately no, they won't fit ☕️🤍
I thought you had to filter espresso before refracting?
It is not a must, and the Difluid are friendly to be used this way. Again, we do not relay on TDS as a priority, it is more like a guidances and an understanding to what is happeningb☕️🤍
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Ohh, too bad I got the Lagom already, but if it breaks down, I'll get this. I think the stepless feature for getting half steps is more for your mind satisfaction than real differences I really do not believe that even a pro taster can tell a half step or even 1 step adjustment.
Hi there, if you got the Lagom P64, then you should be already in a great spot, we haven't personally tested it yet (we will soon and it will be compared with the Philos too). The P64 is probably more user friendly, especially for home based scenario ☕️🤍
@ourcoffeeshelter thanks, though i have an expensivegrinder and espresso maker . I can only drink 1 cup a day, in the morning, cause I'm too sensitive to caffeine. Isn't it funny. It's like buying a Ferrari, but only being able to drive it slowly yo the grocery store and back.
Can imagine that, you could consider Deaf, there are some nice options out there, Ethiopian Decaf is generally delicious!@@cliffcox7643
@@ourcoffeeshelter no way, Decaf violates laws of some countries and universal law, and may cause a forward element of Delta force to perform entry to your house.
Decaf is great - you still get 95 percent of enjoyment making your shots
That intro is amaziiiiiing
Thank you! Hope all is well 😊☕️🤍
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stainless steel is not sharper than non-stainless steel. sorry, that is wrong. cutting edges made out of carbon steel (the non-stainless one) provide thinner and therefore sharper cutting edges.
True
Hi there, what was meant by that is the durability and the longevity of the cutting surface of the burr. We will check with Mazzer regarding the hardness between their steel and stainless steel burrs and upgrade you accordingly. There is no reason to apologise, we are always happy to hear our friend's thoughts and comments. Thank you for noting that, hopefully you have enjoyed the review 🤍☕️
In general terms, the assumption that “carbon steel” is sharper than “stainless steel “ is true, but may not be true in specific situations. I do not know the specifics of the mechanical and metallurgical properties of the material Mazzer have used here which would be one factor, another factor being the surface roughness of the cutting edge. The third factor would be the hardening and tempering of the material. It will be interesting to hear what Mazzer have specified with their stainless steel burrs here and for them to draw comparisons with “carbon steel”
No steel is "sharper" than another steel, that is not a material property, rather a result of manufacturing and finishing. But carbon steel is (typically) harder than stainless steel, making it hold it's sharpness for longer. Making it usually the material choice for these applications assuming rust is not a concern.
Well in the Superman movie krypton steel is the strongest.
Nice review. BTW it's "chute" not "shout" ;)
Shout out to you for noting this, will get it right next time 🤍☕️
El rocio 😢
Working on it, no worries, we are really doing our best 🤍☕️
Great review but after watching for 20 minutes I've got seasickness and had to switch to audio only..
We had to dive into the details to help our friends. You can feel free to watch it over laptop or TV, everything was shot in 4K resolution and would look beautiful on any screen 🤍☕️👏
you lost me at the mess it seems to make
No mess, he used the wrong canister and filled it widely over its capacity. In the review he says he had no loss at all with its canister
Hi there, it is designed for it's own dosing cup, if you are planning to use it with its dosing cup, no issues at all then 👌☕️🤍
Grinding (Pronounced) Shoot. Not pronounced Showt
Hello David, Shout out to you for noting this, will get it right next time. Chill 🤍☕️😊
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